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Siyavuya ukwamkela uStefan Schubert
kudliwano-ndlebe lwethu namhlanje.

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UMnu Schubert wayesakuba ligosa lamapolisa, intatheli, kwaye
ungumgcini-zokhuseleko owaziwayo nombhali weencwadi ezahlukeneyo,

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kuquka neencwadi ezininzi ezithengiswe
kakhulu ezifana ne-Der geheime Krieg gegen

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Deutschland (IMfazwe Eyimfihlo Echasene NeJamani).

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Iincwadi zakhe zisekelwe kumsebenzi wakhe wangaphambili
njengampolisa, kwaye zijongene kakhulu nemiba

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yokhuseleko lwangaphakathi, ulwaphulo-mthetho, kunye nokufuduka.

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Mnu Schubert, le yodwa yakho yokuqala kunye ne-Kla.TV.

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Ungathanda ukuzazisa kubabukeli bethu
uze ubaxelele kancinci ngemvelaphi yakho?

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Ewe, molo emva kwemini. Enkosi kakhulu ngesimemo.

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Ewe, ungasixelele uninzi lwayo,
eneneni, wawungumapolisa owayesakuba nguye.

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Bendisoloko ndinyanzelekile ukuba ndibale amabali kwizitheko,
kwiindibano zosapho, phakathi kwabahlobo, kwaza

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abantu bathi, "Kufuneka uzibhale phantsi ezo
zinto," kwaye yindlela endaqala ngayo ukubhala.

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Ngoku kukho iincwadi ezilishumi elinambini,
ndicinga ukuba ezine okanye ezintlanu kuzo

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ziincwadi ezithengiswe kakhulu zikaSpiegel.

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Ngoku, phambi kokuba uluhlu lweencwadi ezithengiswa kakhulu
lweSpiegel lwenziwe ngendlela yokuba kungenzeki ukuba nabani na

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osuka, masithi, kumajelo eendaba azimeleyo afikelele kuloo luhlu,
nto leyo elinye udaba ngokupheleleyo, ndiye ndaseka ijelo

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likaYouTube kwiinyanga ezisibhozo
ezidlulileyo, ndicinga, elibizwa ngokuba yiSchubert's

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Lagemeldung, apho ndifaka izinto yonke imihla.

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Ndingavuya kakhulu ukuba wonke umntu angatyelela, abhalise, aze
abhale into kwizimvo. Okokugqibela, ndikwenza udliwano-ndlebe

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rhoqo nezinye iindlela zeendaba, kuxhomekeke
kwizinto ezenzekayo, kwaye ngelishwa, zininzi

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kakhulu izinto ezenzekayo kule mihla, kufuneka kuthiwe.

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Kuthiwa unonxibelelwano oluhle namagunya
ezokhuseleko, amapolisa kunye neenkonzo zobuntlola.

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Yaphuhuka njani loo nto?
Ngokuqhelekileyo, iingqubo ezinjalo azifikeleleki.

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Ewe, ngokuyinxenye kungenxa yokuba nam ndivela kuloo mvelaphi,
kakade. Ndiye kwiikhosi zoqeqesho ndaza ndasebenza kwiisebe

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ezahlukeneyo nakwii-arhente, kwaye abantu endiqale nabo ngelo
xesha nabo banyukela phezulu emagatweni baza baba

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nemisebenzi ephumeleleyo. Kuyinyani kananjalo ukuba emva kokuba
kupapashwe iincwadi zokuqala, uninzi lwabo lwazibandakanya nam.

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Ndiye ndenza abantu abatsha endinokunxibelelana nabo, kwaye
sendifumene amaxwebhu athile kwibhokisi yeeleta njalo njalo.

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Ngoko ke kunjalo, ilizwi selihambile phakathi kweziphathimandla
zokhuseleko, kwaye ngenxa yoko ndinolwazi olwaneleyo.

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Ewe, oko kuthetha ukuba unonxibelelwano olubanzi, ngoko ke
unokufumana ulwazi ongenakukwazi ukulufumana ngenye indlela.

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Ewe, kunjalo, kodwa ngoku kukho uxinzelelo kumagosa
ezomthetho nakwizipolisa nganye ukuba zityhile ukuxhatshazwa.

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Kwaye kuya kusiba nzima ukudibana.

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Akusekho kwenzeka naseselfowunini, kwaye kudala kungasebenzi.

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Kungoko abantu bangaphandle bengazi kwaphela ngoxinzelelo
oluqokelelayo phakathi kwabasemagunyeni lokuba bathule

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ngeentsilelo, baze bamkele ukufihlakala
okwenziwa ngabaphathi babo bezopolitiko. Ngoko

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ke, zininzi izinto ezingalunganga kakhulu apha.

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Ewe, ngoko ke masiqale ngesihloko sokufihla izinto.

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Ngo-2016, u-Anis Amri wenza uhlaselo kwimarike
yeKrisimesi yaseBerlin, eqhuba ilori wangquba isihlwele.

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Uhlaselo lokuqala olukhulu lobunqolobi
bamaSilamsi eJamani kwimbali yakutshanje.

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Ubhale incwadi, u-Anis Amri kunye noRhulumente weFederali.

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Kwaye apho, ubhekisa kuphando lwakho
nakwamafayile owadibanisileyo, ubhala ukuba

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abasemagunyeni bezokhuseleko babemazi kakuhle u-Anis Amri.

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Uhlaselo lwenzeke phantsi kweliso
elibukhali lenani elikhulu lamagosa ezomthetho.

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Kwaye uthi nangona wayesele egwetyiwe izihlandlo
ezininzi ngaphambili, umenzi wobubi wavunyelwa ukuba enze

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nantoni na kwaye wade wavunyelwa nokuba abaleke emva koko.

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Kwaye ke yonke into yagutyungelwa.
Zizityholo ezimandundu kakhulu ezo.

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Kuba oko kuthetha ukuba urhulumente womdibaniso
wamkela ngabom ukusweleka kwabantu abalishumi

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elinambini kunye nokwenzakala kwabanye abangama-70.

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Unobungqina obunjani obunabo ngala mazibhelo anzulu?

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Ewe, ngenene, la ngamatyala amakhulu kakhulu.

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Kwaye ndafumana amaxwebhu angama-20,000 kuzo zonke iigunya.

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Kwaye ndiye ndakwazi nokuthetha nomphandi
wobunqolobi obebandakanyeke ngqo kweli tyala, ondibonise oku.

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Uthe besizama ukubamba u-Anis Amri unyaka
onesiqingatha. Asikwazi ukufumana iwaranti yokubamba.

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Saba neentlanganiso ezine zobuso ngobuso nabaphathi abathi,
mshiye yedwa lo mntu, nangona enolwaphulo-mthetho olukhulu,

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nangona ekhe wabethelwa kumcimbi
weziyobisi, nangona enonxibelelwano olungqalileyo

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ne-IS, eyayisebenza kakhulu ngelo xesha.

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Yayiyile seli kanye uAnis Amri awayekuyo, uAnis Amri
akanguye owenza lo msebenzi yedwa, kodwa wayenethiwekhi

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enkulu ye-IS eJamani, eyayikwaquka uAbu Wallah, umzekelo.

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Okwangoku uphantsi kwetyala kwaye
ufuna ukuthintela ukugxothwa kwakhe.

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Kwaye seso isizathu seethiyori yam yokuba iinkonzo eziyimfihlo,
ukusukela kwi-Ofisi yeFederal yoKhuselo

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loMgaqo-siseko ukuya kwi-CIA, zenza konke okusemandleni
azo ukuthintela amapolisa enze umsebenzi wawo.

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Ukubamba le ndoda iyingozi, eyayisazi wonke umntu ukuba iza
kwenza uhlaselo lobunqolobi kungekhona ukuba, kodwa nini,

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ukuze kufikelelwe kubantu abamxhasayo, kuba ifowuni yakhe nayo
yayimanyelwe, umyalelo wesathelayithi kwiinkampu ze-IS eLibya.

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Kwaye yile nto kanye abantu baseMelika
bayenzileyo, ngenkani nangokungabi nanceba.

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Kwaye yiloo ndlela olwenzeka ngayo
uhlaselo lwaseBreitscheidplatz kwasekuqaleni.

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Kwaye kutheni iinkonzo zobunewunewu
zaba nomdla wokumkhulula u-Anis Amri?

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Okokuqala, ewe, igolide entsha yeenkonzo
zobuntlola: idatha kunye neeseti zedatha.

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U-Anis Amri wayenxibelelwano oluthe ngqo nabacebi
bobunqolobi be-IS kwinkampu yomkhosi yaseLibya.

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Kwaye unjalo, ukwindawo yamaSilamsi, wafika
eJamani evela eLampedusa, e-Itali, apho

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wayesele evaliwe entolongweni njengolwaphuli-mthetho.

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Abantu bamnceda bamxhasa kuyo yonke indawo.

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Yayiyinethiwekhi abantu ababefuna ukuyityhila.

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Kwaye, ewe kona, unxibelelwano oluthe ngqo neLibya.

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Kwaye kungekudala emva kohlaselo lwabanqolobi olubulalayo
kwimarike yeKrisimesi yaseBerlin, ngamaMelika abathe bagadisa

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iinkampu zabanqolobi zika-Anis Amri eLibya ngeqela
leenqanawa ezithwala iinqwelomoya elisuka kuLwandle

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lweMeditera, babulala abaqhathi abangaphezu kwama-70 be-IS.

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Kwenze njalo nesithethi sePentagon. Kwaye esi sithethi sePentagon
saphinda sathi into ekange kuthethwe ngayo ngokwenene

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kumajelo eendaba aseJamani, kanye yokuba olu hlaselo lomkhosi
lwalujolise kwabo babe ngasemva kolunye uhlaselo, luluphendulo.

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Kwaye ndibhale konke oku encwadini yam.

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Ndigcine imithombo engama-600
nama-700, kuquka namajelo eendaba aseMelika.

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Ukuze kuvele umfanekiso ocace gca nongathandabuzekiyo.

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Uthi ke na ukuba ne-CIA ibandakanyekile?

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Ewe, kunjalo. Kwaye kucace gca, kakade, ukuba le nkqubo yee-drone
kunye nenye inkqubo – enegama layo elahlukileyo,

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igama lomkhankaso wemikhosi – yokutshabalalisa i-IS
kwiinkampu zaseLibya. Kwaye leyo ibiyeyona nkqubo ye-CIA.

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Mnu Schubert, ukuze kucace.

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Oko kuthetha ukuba abaphathi base-US bayalele
abasemagunyeni bezokhuseleko ukuba bangamxhatshazeli u-Anis Amri

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ngenxa yenzuzo yabo. Ndiyakuqonda oko ngokuchanekileyo?

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Ewe, kaloku nam andinayo ingqina ecacileyo evela kwi-CIA.

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Ayifakwanga kumaxwebhu, nangona kukho amaxwebhu
angama-20,000, kuquka nawo lawenkonzo eyimfihlo.

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Kodwa kucacile ukuba amaMelika ayemlandelele
ngokusondeleyo, emjongile ngokupheleleyo, besebenzisa i-GPS.

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Kukwakho nokubekwa iliso ngexesha lokwenene incoko
yakhe nenkokeli ye-IS eLibya, inkokeli yabanqolobi,

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abayenze ngesi-Arabhu. Kanti ke, yayiguqulelwa ngaxeshanye.

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Oku kubonisa izinga lokubekwa iliso
elisetyenzisiweyo apho kunye nokuba lixhoba elixabiseke kakhulu.

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Kwaye wayenokubanjwa kudala. Uenze
izenzo ezininzi zolwaphulo-mthetho.

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Wade wathintelwa nokwenza oko xa
izinto zaba nzima kakhulu kuye eJamani.

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Wayefuna ukubaleka aye phesheya.
Wathintelwa ekuphumeni kweli lizwe.

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U-Anis Amri waza wabuzwa imibuzo wathi
ngoku uza kubanjwa ukuze agxothwe elizweni.

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Waza wathi, Ndifuna ukumka ngokuzithandela ngoku.

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Akunyanzelekanga ukuba ndigxothe. Ndifuna ukubuyela
eMbindi Mpuma. Kwaye urhulumente womanyano ukuthintelile oko.

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Urhulumente womdibaniso waqinisekisa ukuba
omnye wabantu abebesebenzisana naye

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waphoswa eMorocco ngobusuku obunye emva kohlaselo.

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Kukho ubungqina obubonisa ukuba wayeyintlola ephindwe kabini
kwiinkonzo zobunqolobi zaseMorocco kwaye wayesebenzela i-IS.

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Akazange atyholwe. Ngokoluvo lwam, wayefanele ukuba
aziswe enkundleni, kodwa endaweni yoko wagxothwa

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kwiSebe leMicimbi yezeKhaya leNguqulo ngephulo eliyimfihlo.

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Umfazi obephethe lo mcimbi wawongwa nguNksk. Merkel
ngesikhundla sobunozakuzaku eMelika. Yiloo ndlela eli

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tyala liphela eliye lafikelela kwinqanaba eliphezulu ngayo.

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Kwaye kucace gca kum ukuba abantu
baseMelika, ewe, kunye nabaseJamani babhidekile

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ngokupheleleyo xa kuziwa kubunqolobi bamaSilamsi.

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Baxhomekeke ngamakhulu abantu baseMelika,
abaphulaphula yonke into nomntu wonke apha.

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Kwaye xa amaMelika esithi, "Akambanjwa," abasemagunyeni baseJamani
bakhahlela iintende zabo baze benze kanye njengoko beyalelwe.

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Ewe. Ewe, masibuyele kwimeko yangoku.

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Iincwadi zabo zinezihloko ezifana nezi: Ukuqhambuka kozinzo
lwaseJamani, Ukulahleka kwezokhuseleko

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langaphakathi nangaphandle, kunye NeMfazwe YamaKhaya Iza:
Iimpawu Zokuqhambuka Neenguquko Kwizixeko zaseJamani.

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Ngoku, urhulumente omtsha womanyano uzimisele
ukubuyisela ucwangco nokuphinda alawule imida.

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Ucinga ukuba umanyano lwabamnyama
nababomvu luza kuzisa utshintsho olungcono apha?

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Kanti ke, ndabhala malunga nokuphazanyiswa kweJamani ngo-2016.

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Ngelo xesha, kwakusathathwa njengokuxhokonxa nokutsalela abantu.

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Kwaye ngoku siyibona yonke imihla
kwiindaba, nangona lukhulu olufihliweyo kwiindaba.

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Kodwa abantu bangazibonela ngokwabo xa behamba kwiiziko zezixeko
zabo ukuba kwenzeke ntoni kule minyaka imbalwa idlulileyo.

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Kwaye yiyo loo nto le ncwadi yaba,
ngelishwa, ngelishwa, yonke into yenzeka.

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Kwaye yaba seso isikhuthazi sam
sokungayi kuyeka, sokuvusa abantu.

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Kwaye icandelo lesibini lombuzo,
ubomvu noluhlaza, eneneni ubomvu nomnyama.

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Ewe, ukutyibilika kolwimi eneneni
kuyinxalenye yenkqubo, kuba kufana nokubomvu noluhlaza.

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I-Red-Black ngokwenene iyaqhubeka apho
umanyano lwezibane zendlela luyeke khona.

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La lawulo olusemdeni ngumboniso nje ongenaxabiso lokwenene.

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Akukho kukhutshwa kwabantu elizweni
okusisigxina, nkqu nakwizaphuli-mthetho, nkqu nakumaSilamsi.

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Kwaye oko akuyi kutshintsha kwaphela.
Akukho tshintsho kumgaqo-nkqubo wokufuduka.

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Ngokweendaba eziphambili, utshintsho lwemigaqo
yokufudukela kwelinye ilizwe lukhona nje ukugcina

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uluntu luzolile ukuze bungavoteli elinye iqela.

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Kwaye ngelishwa, akukho nto iza kutshintsha
ibe ngcono phantsi kolu nyulo lukarhulumente.

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Kwaye oko kuthetha ukuba oosopolitiki
abafuni nyani ukulungisa le meko. Ingaba kukho

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abantu abenza inzuzo engemthethweni ngasemva?

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Ilobby engabonakaliyo, esebenza ngaphandle kwesi sigaba samaqela?

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Baninzi abaxhamla koku. Ufumano lwabantu
oluninzi luye lwaba yindlela enkulu yoshishino.

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Jonga nje ezi rhenti zoyikekayo, eziqokelelwa
yimibutho yentlalontle efana neRed Cross, iCaritas, iAWO

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kunye ne-SPD kufutshane neWorkers' Welfare Association.

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Oosomashishini bezindlu nomhlaba, iibhanki ezinkulu zaseMelika,
iWestern Union, abenza iibhiliyoni ngemali ethunyelwa ivela

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eJamani naseNtshona Yurophu, inxalenye ivela kwiingxowa-mali
zokhuseleko loluntu, inxalenye ivela kulwaphulo-mthetho, iye

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kumazwe abo, apho ingeniso yeyo isonyuswa ngakumbi ziintlawulo
eziphezulu kunye namanqanaba otshintshiselwano lwemali ababi.

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Ukongeza, ewe, zonke ezi zakhiwo ze-NGO, ngoku zixhaswa ngemali
ngqo ngurhulumente, oko kukuthi, imibutho engeyoyarhulumente.

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Ngoko ke, leyo yindlela enkulu kakhulu yokwenza
ishishini. Kwaye seso nesinye sezizathu zokuba kutheni abantu

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abaninzi kakhulu benomdla ekubeni kungabikho lutshintsho.

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Ewe. Ngoko ke oko kuthetha ukuba
oosopolitiki abanamdla wokwenene wokutshintsha izinto.

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Kukho umsitho wokubonisa, bathi.

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Baninzi abadlali abaxhamla ngasemva, abanjengamabhanki nazo zonke
ezo nkampani zinkulu ezidibeneyo okhankanyileyo, kunye nee-NGO.

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Kwelinye icala, ungabona ukuba abafuduki ngokwabo
ngandlela ithile bangamaxhoba okanye zizisebenzi

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zokufezekisa iinjongo zabo babantu abaxhamlayo ngasemva.

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Iilizwe zabo, ezifana neSyria, iAfghanistan, iIraq
neLibya, ziye zabhijathiswa egameni lentando yesininzi.

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Bese beza apha ngobuxoki, mhlawumbi befuna ukuzimanya.

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Abanye baye baba noxinzelelo
lwengqondo ngokwendalo ngenxa yeemfazwe.

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Oku kuyahlwaya intiyo kwaye kudala imeko
efanelekileyo yokuba abantu babe ngamaqela anobundlobongela.

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Kwaye ke kwelinye icala, ziya zisanda iindawo
ezinganyangekiyo eJamani apho kwanamapolisa angazibeki.

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Baze bathi, ewe, siza kulahla iimela okanye
sonyuse ukubekwa iliso kubemi

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njengesisombululo. Kodwa oko akuyisombululi kwaphela le ngxaki.

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Ingaba unoluvo lokuba kukho i-ajenda eqhutywayo apha?

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Kukho le ntsingiselo yeFreemasonry yedarada
ephezulu: ucwangco oluvela kwisiphithiphithi.

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Oku kuthetha ukuba uluntu lugcinwa lukwimeko
yokuxinezeleka de lufune ubunkokeli obomeleleyo luze lwamkele

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izisombululo ebezingazange zicingwe ngaphambili. Ingaba kunjalo?

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Ewe, ingxaki yeyokuba sinengxokozana ngokwenene.

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Sineengxoxo ezininzi zokuphambanisa ukuze kusiphoswe
imiba yokwenene, kanye njengale ndawo yokwalelwa kweemela.

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Ayizizo iimela ingxaki, ngabahlukumezi
abasebenzisa iimela. Yiyo loo nto le ingxoxo yokuphazamisa.

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Kutshanje, umntu othile wenzakalise omnye ngesaha yomtya.

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Ngoko ke kungekudala kuza kufuneka
nathi sazise iindawo ezingenazo iitshayini.

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Kwaye ngokwenene, kunjalo kananjalo ukuba ezi meko,
ezibangelwe ngabo oosopolitiki, ngoku zisetyenziselwa

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ukutyhalela imithetho yokhuseleko engqongqo ngakumbi.

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Ukugcinwa kwedatha, ukubekwa iliso ngefowuni
ephathwayo, ucensha olungakumbi kwiinethiwekhi

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zentlalo, ulawulo olungakumbi phezu kwezimvo.

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Kwaye la manyathelo awajoliswanga kubaphuli-mthetho
okanye kubantu abayingozi, kodwa ajoliswe kubemi nakumajelo

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eendaba, anjengoCompaq, umzekelo, abaye bazigxeka ezi meko.

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Kwaye oku kubonisa ukuba oku akwenzeki ngamabona-ndenzile,
kodwa kuyacwangciswa, kwaye yijenda eqhubekayo.

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Kwaye kukonakalisa ilizwe lakhe,
kukonakalisa abemi belizwe lakhe.

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Kwaye yile nto ibhubhisayo ngale meko besikuyo ukusukela ngo-2015,
eya isiba mandundu kwaye ifikelela kuvuthondaba nyaka nonyaka.

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Ewe, ukuba uthi oku kwenziwa ngabom,
isiphumo soku siza kuba yiJamani engazinzanga.

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Ingaba ipolitiki iyaxhamla koku?
Ndithetha ukuthi, iya isiba nzima ukulawuleka.

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Ngoku uve ukuba bakha iifensi ezinkulu ejikeleze
iBundestag njalo njalo, bezikhusela ngakumbi nangakumbi.

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Ngexesha elithile, kuza kuba yingozi kula bafana namantombazana.

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Ewe, bakhuselwe kakuhle. Banelimosini
zikahulumeni ezixhobileyo, banokhuselo lwe-BKA oluxhobileyo.

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Abasaphili bomi eqhelekileyo, abasayi kuthenga bodwa.

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Oko kuthetha ukuba abayiqapheli nokuyiqaphela. Yinduli evaliweyo.

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Kwaye ngoku umjelo we-AHA uyakhiwa phezu
kweReichstag. Yiloo nto esibizwa ngayo.

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Ngoko ke, luhlobo oluthile lomqobo
othintela ukuba ungayi khona ngemoto.

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Enyanisweni, baya besizivalela ngakumbi, kwaye ngoku
isithili sikarhulumente siyandiswa nangakumbi, nangona

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kungekho zibhiliyoni zikhoyo, kuko kukho amatyala eebhiliyoni.

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Ngoku i-chancellery iyandiswa kwakhona ngeendleko
eziphantse zibe yibhiliyoni ye-euro, nangona sele

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iyenye yezona nkulu zikomkhulu zikarhulumente ehlabathini.

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Ngoko ke, ngenene yinkqubo-nkqubo
echasene nelizwe lakho kunye nabantu bakho.

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Incwadi yakho yokugqibela inesihloko
esifanayo, Imfazwe Eyimfihlo Nxamnye NeJamani.

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Kwaye isihlokwana sithi? Ilizwe elijoliswe ziinkokeli zehlabathi.

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Ngubani oqhuba imfazwe apha? Kwaye
ngawaphi amagosa aphezulu ekuthethwa ngawo apha?

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Kwaye lo mlo ulwiwa ngaziphi iindlela?

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Ewe, eli asilodabi nje njengoko besilicinga ngaphambili.

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Iqela A lilwa neQela B, kodwa
eneneni sisemfazweni enamacala amaninzi.

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Sikwimfazwe yezoqoqosho nxamnye neJamani, ukuba ujonge amaMelika.

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Emva koko kukho uJoe Biden, endivumelana ngokupheleleyo nengqwele
yophando uSimon Herschel waseMelika, othi urhulumente

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kaJoe Biden wabetha iNord Stream 2 kuba bebefuna
ukusahlula kwiRashiya nakwiphephisi yayo yaseRashiya engabizi.

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Ngoku sithenga igesi ye-LNG emdaka
nexabiso eliphezulu kakhulu evela eMelika.

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Oku kukwalidabi nxamnye neJamani, nxamnye nenikezelo layo
yamandla, nxamnye nesikhundla sayo njengendawo yoshishino.

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Sinamashishini ezemali afana neBlackRock, nalo
owayesasaza le ngcamango yemozulu phambi kokuba

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ngoku azikhwebule kuyo. Yayikwangumxholo weshishini.

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Laa ma-hedge fund makhulu, ngokuyinxalenye, axhase ngemali ii-NGO
zezimo zemozulu ukuze zikwazi ukufaka uxinzelelo

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kwezopolitiko ukuba ziguqule iifektri zabo zifake oomatshini
abatsha, kulawo ishishini lezemali sele litsale imali kuwo.

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Ngoko ke le yimatshini enkulu kakhulu yokwabela kwakhona, kanye
njengakwi-COVID-19, apho kwakukho isixa esikhulu

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semali esiphathekayo, apho imali yathathwa kubemi
abasesigabeni esiphantsi yaza yabiwa kushishino lwamachiza.

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Kwaye ngokwenene siyayibona le nto kuyo yonke
indawo, seso ke isizathu sokuba kuvele isihloko sencwadi.

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Ewe, ikwabizwa ngokuba yimfazwe ye-hybrid, oko
kukuthi, imfazwe engalwiwa ngezixhobo eziqhelekileyo.

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Ucinga ukuba yeyiphi injongo esemva koku,
ngaphandle kokuba abadlali ngabanye bazityebise?

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Ewe, eso sisizathu esomelele kakhulu. Iinzuzo,
iibhiliyoni zeenzuzo, amandla nempembelelo, ewe kona, kunye

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nokungajongwa, ukuze umntu ahlale ekhuselekile ekutshutshisweni.

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Oku kukwabonakala kakhulu naseJamani.

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Kwamanye amazwe aseYurophu, naseMelika, kukwakho
noosopolitiki abasebenza izigwebo zentolongo, ezinye zazo

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zithatha iminyaka eliqela, ngenxa yobunqolobi nobuqhophololo.

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EGermany, akukho mpolotiki ukwizinga
eliphezulu obanjwe elindele ukuthethwa kwetyala lakhe.

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KwanaseHabeck, apho i-ofisi yomtshutshisi woluntu yakha yaba
nesibindi sokuthatha amanyathelo, kwaye sinayo le ofisi

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yomtshutshisi woluntu ebotshelelwe ziziluleko zezopolitiko, kodwa
yaba nesibindi sokumcupha ngokwaphula umthetho wokuhlamblaza

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umlawuli, into leyo aye wayiqalisa ngokwakhe kumakhulu abemi.

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Kwaye ke amaqela amadala kwi-Bundestag akayichitha le nto, nto
leyo nayo engavakaliyo, ekhusela oosopolitiki bawo ekubekweni

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amatyala okuncinci kakhulu, ngelixa kwangaxeshanye
ephakamisa izandla ngokukhawuleza ngokuchasene noosopolitiki

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abaphikisayo aze aqalise nokuphengululwa kwezindlu.

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Ewe, kanti ke uthi ekugqibeleni lulonongogo lwezopolitiko
oludlalwa phambi kwethu, nto leyo ekwayinxalenye yokusiphazamisa.

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Ndicinga nje ukuba kubalulekile ukungalahlekelwa yingqwalasela
kuloo nto, yiyo loo nto ndibuze ngabantu abaphambili

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abasemva, kuba nokuba ujonga ngowuphi na umba,
kusoloko kubonakala ngathi ngabantu abafanayo abalawulayo.

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Ewe, usoloko uphetha ngokutsala la maqhina afanayo.

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Ngoko ke kukho umanyano lwezopolitiko nemikhosi,
njengase-Ukraine, kwaye ngoku nakohlaselo

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lwaseMelika e-Iran, abalunyanzelise nangona uDonald Trump
wayethembise into eyahluke ngokupheleleyo phambi konyulo.

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Ungakubona oko, ewe, unako ukukubona ngoku
kulungiselelo-mkhosi olukhulu lwe-NATO, i-EU kunye neJamani.

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Ungakubona oku kwicandelo lamachiza nge-coronavirus, apho sithemba
ukuba uBobby Kennedy uza kuqhubeka nokugqwesa kakhulu eMelika.

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Andicingi ukuba iqalile nyhani okwangoku. Abantu
abaninzi bebenethemba lokuba kuza kubakho okungakumbi.

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Ewe, ngumlo ongapheliyo phakathi kokulungileyo
nokubi, ukuba ufuna ukukubiza ngaloo ndlela.

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Uthe uTrump uthembise into
eyahlukileyo kunale ayiphumelelisayo ngoku.

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Ungakubona ngokucacileyo ngakumbi kuFriedrich Merz.

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Kwanazo neyona zithembiso zonyulo zibalulekileyo zonke
zaphulwa kwisithuba esingaphantsi kweenyanga ezintandathu.

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Ucinga ukuba abantu baza kuyinyamezela ixesha
elingakanani le nto, baze bazivumele ukukhokelwa

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ngempumlo, kwicala lethu nakwelinye icala lolwandle?

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Ngoko ke, kum, uFriedrich Merz ngoyena mqhathwa wonyulo
mkhulu ukusukela ekupheleni kweMfazwe yesibini yeHlabathi.

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Kwaye ndikholelwa ukuba ngoku usuku lwama-54 okanye
lwama-55 ngoku kunqunyulwa kwamatyala, apho waxokayo khona.

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Kwaye ngoku kuvele ukuba kwanaphambi konyulo, wayalela ingxelo,
ndicinga ukuba nge-€9,500, kuUdo Di Fabio, owayefanele ukuba

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amlungiselele umhlaba, lo mthetho wokunqanda amatyala kunye
ne-Bundestag endala, apho i-Greens yayisenazo iivoti ezininzi

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kune-AfD, ukuze ayityhalele phambili, yonke into ilungisiwe.

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Kwaye ke abemi baseJamani baxelelwa ukuba
kwenzekile iskandali esihlangene noZelensky eWhite House.

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Konke oku kwakusele kugqityiwe phambi
konyulo, ngoko ke yayiyinkohliso enkulu yonyulo.

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Kwaye ukuba besinendawo yeendaba esebenzayo
eJamani, bekufuneka kubekho isaziso

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seendaba sentsuku zonke de uFriedrich Merz arhoxe.

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Kwaye oku kubonisa ukuba nangona sinengxaki yezopolitiko yendalo,
eyona ngxaki inkulu, ngokuqinisekileyo,

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yingxaki yemidiya, amandla emidiya e-ARD, ZDF,
imidiya ephambili, i-Spiegel, i-Axel Springer Verlag.

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Bagqiba kwelokuba asiyi kuyenza le nto ibe sisihendo.

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Endaweni yoko, baphinda bacinge enye isihloko esiphikisana
ne-AfD, okanye amanye amajelo eendaba ngandlel' ithile

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afumane esinye isihloko abanokwenza ngaso isigameko baze
batshintshe ingqwalasela. Kwaye yiyo leyo ingxaki enkulu.

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Kwaye ndikholelwa ukuba seso isizathu abantu abakakhethi ukuphuma
ezitratweni, kuba amandla ale midiya kusekho namandla kakhulu.

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Ewe, uyibethe, ezi skandali zilandelana.

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Yingqhinga esetyenziswa ngokuphindaphindiweyo.

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Le yindlela eqhelekileyo yokwahlula uze ulawule, apho amaqela
afana nabantu abagonyiweyo abachasaniswa nabantu abangagonywanga,

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kunye nabahlali basekhaya abachasaniswa nabaphambukeli.

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Kodwa akunyanzelekanga ukuba siwele kule ngxakeko.

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Mnu Schubert, ndikubulela kakhulu ngokusabelana
nathi ngezi ziganeko zibhidekileyo namhlanje,

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ngokusibonisa imicu nokukhanyisa abo balawulayo ngasemva.

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Masithi, babukeli abathandekayo, siyisasaze le nto malunga nezi
zinto zibalulekileyo ukuze sikwazi ukuyilungisa ingxaki

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kwimpande yayo, kwaye uluntu olunolwazi lukwazi ukubopha
abasemagunyeni ukuba baphendule. Mnu Schubert, enkosi kakhulu.

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Ndingavuya kakhulu, enkosi kakhulu ngesimemo.