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Manje ngithi, masidlulisele
ezonweni ezinzima ezivikelwe ngumthetho.

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Manje ake sikhulume futhi ngelobhi yocingo lweselula.

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Futhi-ke, isikhulumi esidume kakhulu esivela eJalimane
sidonsa ukunaka kwethu kule teknoloji ebulalayo,

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eyadluliselwa ngaphandle kokunakekela ukuvikelwa kwabathengi.

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Futhi njengomuntu othinteke ngqo kulolu bhubhane, mina ngokwami
ngakhululwa ekungazini kwami ngesikhathi se-AZK yokuqala, futhi

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ngemva kwamakhulu ebusuku ngingakwazi
ukulala ngenxa yobuchwepheshe obubulalayo,

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ngakhululwa ekuhlukunyezweni kwami ngaleso sikhathi.

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Ngithi, ngiyacela, sidlulise ulwazi lomkhulumi wethu olandelayo
emaphethelweni omhlaba, ngoba masinyane noma

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kamuva, ngiyaqiniseka, luzothinta wonke umuntu
lapha phansi, futhi ezingeni eziningi ezehlukene.

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Futhi njengaso sonke isikhathi, sithi kuphela ngokubambisana
esingakwazi ukubeka umkhawulo emthelela omkhulu wobugebengu

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nokungcola okubangelwa yiqembu elimele izintshisekelo zamafoni
eselula kwezombusazwe, emthethweni nasemithonjeni yezindaba.

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Futhi ungabona emlandweni wakhe wemisebenzi
ukuthi lo muntu omangalisayo manje uzokhanyisa

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ubunjalo obungaqondakali nobubanzi balolu bugebengu.

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- uKlaus Scheidsteger, owazalwa ngo-1954, wayeyingxenye yeqembu
lokuqala labafundi abafunda ubuntatheli eNyuvesi yaseDortmund.

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- Ngemva kokuqeda ukuqeqeshwa okuhlanganisiwe eWestdeutscher
Rundfunk eCologne, wathuthela eFrance iminyaka emine njengombhali

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ozimele futhi wakhiqiza ifilimu yakhe
yokuqala yedokhumentari ngo-1982.

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Isithombe-mbhalo sombhali waseNgilandi u-Anthony Burgess.

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- Phakathi neminyaka yama-1980, wasungula i-ejensi yethelevishini
edolobheni lakhe lasekhaya i-Essen futhi wasebenzisa ikhamera

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yakhe kanye nemishini yesitudiyo yakhe ukukhiqiza izindaba,
imibiko nama-documentary kubasakazi

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bomphakathi i-ARD ne-ZDF, kanye ne-RTL ne-SAT.1.
Kamuva, isiteshi samasiko i-ARTE sengezwa ohlwini.

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Unikeza izithombe zabantu ezilungele
ukusakazwa kulesi sithelevishini

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ngokubambisana ne-ARD, i-NDR, i-BR, i-MDR kanye ne-ZDF.

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- Ngo-2006, umbiko wakhe wokuqala ojulile ngokuxhumana ngocingo
lweselula wakhishwa njengomkhiqizo oyalelwe

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umsakazi wombuso waseFrance i-FR2, owanikwa
isihloko esithi "Amagagasi weselula enkantolo".

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- Umlingani waseJalimane wokukhiqiza ngokuhlanganyela, i-MDR,
elilungu le-ARD, usika uhlelo ngaphandle kokubonisana futhi

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ulusakaza ngaphansi kwesihloko esithi "Der Handykrieg" (Impi
Yamafoni Eselula) ngaphandle kokukwazisa ohlelweni lwasekuseni.

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Ifilimu yemizuzu engu-50 inikeza ukuqonda ngempini
yezomthetho eyenziwa iziguli ezine-tumour

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yobuchopho zibhekene nemboni yonke yocingo lweselula e-USA.

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- Eminyakeni eyishumi kamuva, idokhumentari yokuqala
kaScheidsteger yasethula ngaphansi kwesihloko esithi "Ngiyabonga

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ngokushayela – Izifoni eziphathwayo zingaba yingozi empilweni
yakho", - yalandelwa ngo-2018 yincwadi ngesihloko esifanayo.

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- Ifilimu yakhe yakamuva, "The
Digital Dilemma", izokhishwa ngoMeyi 2024.

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Le filimu yadala umsindo omkhulu ekuhlolweni kokuqala ePhalamende
laseYurophu eBrussels, futhi manje

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iyatholakala ku-inthanethi ngezilimi ezine futhi
ingabonwa ezikhungweni zama-cinema ezikhethiwe.

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- UKlaus Scheidsteger ungumqali wocwaningo ngocingo lweselula
olubangela udumo emikhakheni yesayensi yamazwe ngamazwe

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njengesisekelo sezinqubo ezahlukene zomthetho zamazwe ngamazwe.

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Namuhla ukhuluma nge- "Iminyaka engu-30 yokuphembelela
ngokumelene nocwaningo olubucayi ngocingo lweselula".

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Kuyisithunzi ukuba nibe lapha nathi.

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Manje sizolalela ngokucophelela kakhulu futhi sijabule ukubona
ukuthi kwenzekani ngokulandelayo. Siyabonga ngokuba lapha.

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Ngiyabonga, ngiyabonga.

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Yebo, kuyamangalisa kakhulu. Ngiyabonga kakhulu ngomemo.

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Umndeni wakwaSasek uzoba nzima ukuwulinganisa.

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Lokho onakho lapha kungento ekhethekile ngempela.

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Yebo, sengibambe iqhaza kulo mkhakha cishe iminyaka engu-20 ngqo.

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Futhi njengoba nginguntatheli wezindaba oqeqeshiwe
kumabonakude nomxhumanisi wezindaba, ngangicabanga ukuthi

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ngizofaka nezinye izingxenye ezivela kumafilimu ahlukahlukene.

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Okokuqala, mhlawumbe isingeniso
esifushane. Yini ngempela ukulobi?

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Ecwaningweni lwami, ngafunda ukuthi kunehhotela
elikhulu kakhulu elibheke phesheya kwe-White House

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eWashington, cishe amamitha angama-400 ngokubuka indiza.

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Abalobi bezindaba, abezepolitiki, abameli nabantu
abanethonya sebehlangana lapho kusukela ngeminyaka yama-1950.

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Futhi igumbi lokulinda liholela ngqo ebhawa yehhotela.

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Futhi ngalokhu, ngemva kwezinye i-gin and tonic ezimbili noma
ezintathu – kwesinye isikhathi ngisho nezine – ukugxila

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kwakungokwemvelo emthelelweni futhi, ngendlela ethile,
ekungeneni kokukhohliswa ngemboni, okwakuyingozi kubathengi.

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Futhi lokhu kwacaca kakhulu kimi lapho ngenza
ucwaningo ngesihloko socwaningo ngocingo lweselula.

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Ngivumele ukuthi ngikuthathe ohambweni oluncane oluya
esikhathini esidlule ekuqaleni. Ukuze ngiqinise imizwa yakho.

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Sikhumbula ukuthi kwaba nokuthuthuka kwangempela.

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Ekuqaleni, lezi zinto zazibiza kakhulu kakhulu. Ngakho-ke
kwakungabantu abacebile kuphela ababekwazi ukuzisebenzisa.

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Abantu abaneminyaka engu-20 namuhla ngeke bakhumbule lokhu.
Mhlawumbe basazothola amamodeli amadala endlini kababa wabo.

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Kodwa lokho okwathi kamuva kwaba yileli modeli elenza
konke, ifoni ehlakaniphile, enikeza futhi amathuba amangalisayo,

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kuthathe iminyaka engaphezu kwengu-30 ukuthuthukiswa.

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Futhi ngasikhathi sinye, kwakukhona futhi isizathu
sokuthi abalobi bangenelele embonini entsha eyayisathuthuka.

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Ngakho-ke ngamema lo mnumzane, ngoba uLarry
King wayenazo zonke izifundazwe eziyi-100

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ngesikhathi uhambo lwakhe lwethula ngo-90s ekuqaleni.

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Lapho umbukiso wakhe wawuboniswa khona, wawuthengiswa khona.

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Futhi, impela, wayenethonya
elihambisanayo, elingafaniswa nelika Ivo Sasek.

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Wahamba ngempela emhlabeni wonke futhi
wayenokwamukela izivakashi ezithakazelisayo njalo.

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Futhi ngolunye usuku, ekupheleni kuka-1992 noma ekuqaleni
kuka-1993, indoda evela eFlorida yafika ohlelweni lwakhe yathi,

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'Umkami washona ngenxa yomdlavuza wobuchopho. Futhi ngikubheka
ekusetshenzisweni kwakhe kaningi kwefoni ephathekayo.'

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Futhi ithumba lathuthuka endaweni ayehlala ebamba kuyo
ifoni yakhe ephathekayo. Manje sengimangalela iMotorola.

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IMotorola yayiyinkokheli yemakethe ngaleso sikhathi.
Futhi ngemva kweLarry King Show, intengo yamasheya

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eMotorola yehla kakhulu ngendlela eyingozi emakethe yamasheya.

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Balahlekelwa amaphesenti ayi-10 enani lesabelo
sabo phakathi kwesonto. Lokho kwenzeka ngo-1992/93.

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Njengomqambi wefilimu, nginethuba elikhulu lokuhlala ngikwazi
ukufuna abantu abenze umlando nabane okuthile abakushoyo.

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Futhi yingakho ngihlale ngithanda ukuyishiya kochwepheshe.

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Lokho kusho ukuthi nami angibuthakathaka. Noma kunjalo, njengoba
ngizofika kuleso sikhathi kamuva, kwenzeka noma kunjalo.

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Kodwa ngizoqala nomuntu waseVienna. Futhi
kamuva, ezoshintshwa esiqeshini sevidiyo esifushane

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ngusosayensi waseWashington State University.

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Futhi nje ukukunika ukunambitheka okuncane
nokukuhambisa ohambweni oluncane ubuyele

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ezinsukwini zokuqala zokuxhumana ngocingo lweselula.

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Mhlawumbe dlala ividiyo.

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Ekuqaleni, ubuchwepheshe befoni
ephathekayo babuyobuchwepheshe babantu abacebile.

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Lokhu kusho ukuthi iqembu elincane kakhulu labantu
lisebenzise lobu buchwepheshe. Futhi cishe ngobusuku obubodwa,

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selube ubuchwepheshe obusetshenziswa ngabantu abaningi.

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Futhi lesi simo asimangazi mina kuphela, simangaze futhi umnotho.

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Ngoba babeqagela inani elincane kakhulu labathengi
abangaba khona. Futhi namuhla, yilowo lonke uhlobo lwabantu.

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Kuyamangaza ukuthi, nakuba imisebe ye-microwave isetshenziswa
kubuchwepheshe bokudlulisa, iziphathimandla

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zase-US azibonanga kufanelekile ukucela
ukuhlolwa kobungozi lobuchwepheshe kumkhiqizi.

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Umqambi wokuqala wamafoni eselula, iMotorola, wangenisa amafoni
eselula emakethe ngaphandle kwemvume yeziphathimandla zokulawula.

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Lapho izifundo zokuqala zesayensi mayelana nezingozi
ezingaba khona kwezempilo zazizokushicilelwa phakathi

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neminyaka yama-1990, izinto zaba sengathi azizinhle.

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Ithimba eliholwa nguProfesa Henry Lai
waseWashington University lathola okubizwa ngokuthi

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ukuphuka kwemicu ye-DNA ezivivinyweni zezilwane.

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Isibonakaliso sokuqala somdlavuza sasibonakala
ngokusobala ngaphansi kwemakroskophu ye-elekthronikhi.

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Isiphetho esisodwa ukuthi amasimu
amagagasi erediyo angalimaza i-DNA.

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Impela, lapho i-DNA ilimele, iseli lizama ukulungisa umonakalo.
Nokho, kule nqubo kwenzeka amaphutha aholela ekuguqulweni kofuzo.

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Futhi, vele, lokhu kungaholela ekuthuthukisweni komdlavuza.

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Imiphumela yesayensi, eyayisongela ngokombono womkhiqizi wokuqala
wocingo lweselula iMotorola, yethulwa

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ngendlela enobungane embonini ngabachwepheshe
bokuphatha, inkampani yokulobi iBurson-Marsteller.

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Bawethula kumakhasimende abo iMotorola incwadi ebizwa ngokuthi
iWargame memo . Iphepha lesu elinezimiyalelo zokuthi banciphise

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kanjani ukubaluleka kocwaningo futhi bacwase kanjani ososayensi.

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Kunjalo, ngakho-ke lesi yisiqephu esincane
salo hlelo lomdlalo wempi okuthiwa kanjalo.

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Kuya phambili kangangokuthi bathi abantu
abathola into kumele babe nenkinga ngokwabo.

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Kufanele umuntu azibuze ukuthi empeleni kucwaningwa ini lapho.

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Kuseyisifundo esisencane, futhi
kumele senza ucwaningo thina uqobo.

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Futhi ukuze benze lokho, baletha lo muntu, uDkt George Carlo.

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Kwaba yinto ethakazelisayo kakhulu kimi ekuqaleni ngoba wayebhale
incwadi. Wakhethwa embonini ngo-1993 ukuze athole,

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ngesabelomali sama-US$25 kuya kwama-US$30 million
eminyakeni emihlanu kuya kwemithupha, ukuthi kwakungekho nkinga.

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Futhi empeleni wayebhekwa njengomuntu onobungane embonini.

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Ngaleso sikhathi – azalwe ngo-1953, ngakho wayeneminyaka engu-40
ubudala – wayengusosayensi osakhulayo onamaphupho amakhulu

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owayesewenzile ucwaningo oluthile, isibonelo emkhakheni wezempi,
futhi wayenolwazi lwezomthetho. Wayefunde izokwelapha nomthetho,

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ngakho wayeyinsizwa enomdlandla omkhulu ngaleso sikhathi.

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Kwabe sekuthi basekela ihhashi elingalungile.

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Ngokungeziwe, into yokuqala ayithole nenkampani yakhe, i-WTR
(Wireless Technology Research), wukuthi

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abantu abanezirekhodi zenhliziyo bahlangabezana
nezinkinga uma bethwala ifoni ephathekayo kubo.

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Lokho kwakusekhona phakathi
neminyaka yama-1990. Imboni yenza ukuthini?

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Baphawula lokhu futhi bacela abakhiqizi bama-pacemaker ukuthi
bashintshe imvamisa yabo. Ngakho kuhlala kuyahlekisa kakhulu.

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Kanti-ke, ngokusekelwe kulezi zitholokhona, ezaziswa emphakathini
kamuva, wahlangabezana nenkinga, inkinga yakhe yokuqala.

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Bathi, kulungile, kwakuyinhlangano yezimboni
eWashington, i-CTIA, eyayala lezi zifundo futhi empeleni

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yenza lezi zifundo zaba nokwenzeka ngemali yomphakathi.

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Bathi, "Akwenzeki, mfana, ayisekho imali."

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Kwakudingeka alwe kanzima ukuze azivikele, kwathi-ke,
ngenhlanhla kaNkulunkulu, wakwazi ukubuyela endleleni efanele.

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Futhi-ke, yebo, uma ungathanda, waphinde
wamukela imali kuze kube ngonyaka ka-1999. Ekupheleni

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komsebenzi wakhe, wabhekwa njengongasekhohlakali.

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Ngakho-ke nganginethuba lokwazi lo muntu.

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Futhi wayengumeleli, singasho kanjalo, kwalokho okwenzeka
ngemuva kwezibuko maqondana nemisebenzi yokuphembelela.

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Futhi lezi zinyathelo zisazisebenza namuhla.

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Ngakho-ke usehlangabezane nokudicilelwa phansi okuningi.

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Kwathi-ke, isayensi ayithenge kubantu
abavela emigqeni yakhe abangane bemboni ayizange

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imsebenzele yena, kodwa yabasebenzela abanye.

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Bese ukuzikhangisa ngokuzibophezela embonini
ngendlela evumelana nezimfanelo ukuze kube

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wusizo kumakhasimende kanye nobuchwepheshe obusha.

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Kwathi-ke izikhundla ezifanele zagcwaliswa
ngabantu babo noma ngabantu abanezixhumanisi

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embonini, ngoba babehambisana nomuntu ongafanele.

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Futhi yingakho ngifake i-WHO ekwethulweni kwami. Ngoba i-WHO
ayikwazi ukunganaki lesi simo esisha

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sokuxhumana ngocingo lweselula nemiphumela
yaso engaba khona ekunakekelweni kwezempilo.

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Futhi yingakho basungula lo msebenzi
wamazwe ngamazwe obizwa ngokuthi i-EMF.

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Umqondisi wayenguDkt Michael Repacholi wase-Australia. Kamuva
wadluliselwa eGeneva. Ngamvakashela ngaleso sikhathi ngoba

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wayeqaphele kakhulu. Ngizokubonisa lokho esiqeshini esifushane.

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Ngicela udlale ividiyo elandelayo.

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UDkt. Michael Repacholi wase-Australia wayebhekwa njengofakazi
obalulekile wabagxeki bamafoni eselula ngoba ucwaningo lwakhe,

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olushicilelwe ngo-1995, lwabonisa ukwanda
kokuthuthukiswa komdlavuza ezimpungusheni

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ezazivezwe ekukhanyeni kwamafoni eselula.

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Manje indoda yahlala e-WHO yaze yabeka umbuzo ngocwaningo
lwayo. Empeleni wayeziqhuba imidlalo yempi kuye uqobo.

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Ucwaningo lwami lwaluhlanganisa amagundane
abebethambekele ku-lymphoma. Futhi sithole ukukhula okuqhubekayo

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kwe-lymphoma okubangelwa izimpawu zamagagasi omsakazo.

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Emva kwalokho, sichithe izinyanga eziyisithupha
sizama ukuqonda ukuthi yini esiyenzile

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okungalungile. Ngoba besingakwazi ukuzichazela lokhu.

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Futhi namanje asikwazi ukwenza lokho.

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Uthola inkinga, kodwa kuze kube namuhla akakwazi
ukuthola ukuthi ivela kuphi, ngakho-ke ayikho inkinga.

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Ukusetshenziswa kolimi okuhlobene kwenziwa
okujwayelekile futhi kwaphoqelelwa emhlabeni wonke.

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Asinabo ubufakazi nhlobo bokuthi
izelfoni eziphathwayo aziphephile.

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Ngaphansi kwesibhengezo se-WHO, i-Australian
yagibela umhlaba wonke kusukela ngo-1997 kuya

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ku-2006, isabalalisa izindaba ezinhle: "Akukho nkinga".

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UDkt. Michael Repacholi wayezizwa eqinisekile kakhulu.
Phela wayengumkhulumeli osemthethweni wezokuxhumana

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ngocingo e-WHO. Kodwa wenza amaphutha. Imali, imali, imali.

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Imali evela embonini kumele ibekwe esitsheni
esihlukile ngaphambi kokuyinikezela ku-WHO.

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Kwathi-ke ekugcineni indoda enhle yavela njengommeli
nomuntu ohlaziya izindaba ezibalulekile, ekhokhelwa embonini.

16:51.919 --> 17:01.299
Wabe esethatha umhlalaphansi e-WHO, futhi kusukela
lapho usebenza ngemuva kwezibuko njengomeluleki wemboni.

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Ngesikhathi esebenza njengomphathi
wephrojekthi eGeneva, wenze umsebenzi omuhle kakhulu.

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Imboni ekhulayo yokuxhumana ngocingo lweselula
yathatha umhlaba ngamandla ngesivinini esikhulu.

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Kwathatha iminyaka eyishumi nambili ukufinyelela ekuxhumaneni
kwocingo lweselula okokuqala okungu-bhiliyoni

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emhlabeni wonke, kodwa okwesibili kwathatha iminyaka
emithathu kuphela, okwesithathu iminyaka emibili, njalo njalo.

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Namuhla, kunezinkontileka zocingo lweselula ezingaphezu kwabantu
abahlala emhlabeni waseNtshonalanga – umsebenzi usuqediwe.

17:41.480 --> 17:46.119
Yebo, bekuyohambo oluncane e-WHO.

17:46.119 --> 17:51.440
Ngokungeqondile, indoda yayifuna
kakhulu umsebenzi kaGeorge Carlo ekuqaleni.

17:51.440 --> 17:55.559
Kodwa manje, njengoba ngishilo,
usembulekile, ngiyabonga kuNkulunkulu.

17:55.559 --> 18:06.588
Kodwa uma sekusunguliwe umbono wokuthi awekho
amaphutha, umbono owuhambelana ngokwemvelo namazwe agxile

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embonini futhi asekela imboni, kuba nzima kakhulu ukuwususa.

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Abantu bayaqhubeka bekungibuza, kodwa akukho lutho lapho.

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Ngempela, imithombo yezindaba ihlala ibika
okuthile okuhlukile ngezikhathi ezithile.

18:21.680 --> 18:34.079
Ngakho-ke, uma sithi kanjalo, lesi yisigaba esilandelayo lapho
isayensi ichazwa kabi futhi imiphumela iphathwa ngokungafanele.

18:34.079 --> 18:39.079
Futhi manje sizongena kancane
ngokujulile emlandweni waseJalimane nase-Austria.

18:39.079 --> 18:45.359
Ngoba kwakukhona ucwaningo oluxhaswe yizwe
laseYurophu, olubizwa ngokuthi i-Reflex Study.

18:45.359 --> 18:49.039
Futhi lapha, iphethini efanayo ingabonakala.

18:49.039 --> 18:57.279
Ososayensi nabacwaningi abangafanele kumele
balwe nabo. Noma badlalwe imidlalo yempi.

18:57.279 --> 19:02.880
Ngiphinde ngilungiselele udaba olufushane ngalolu daba ngawe.

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Ngeshwa, uProfesa Franz Adlkofer akasekho nathi.

19:08.119 --> 19:13.721
Kodwa indoda enkulu yocwaningo, eyathi empeleni
ekuqaleni, lapho sihlangana khona okokuqala, ukuthi

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wonke umuntu ongizungezile wathi akukho lutho lapho.

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Wabe esethi, kulungile, masiyibonise.

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Manje ake sibone ukuthi ngabe kukhona yini izinkinga zempilo.

19:23.599 --> 19:28.200
UProfesa Franz Adlkofer wayezoba isisulu
esilandelayo esidume kakhulu somdlalo wempi.

19:28.200 --> 19:32.984
Ngezinhlangano zocwaningo eziyishumi nambili
ezivela emazweni ayisikhombisa, wahambisa

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ucwaningo olubizwa nge-Reflex oluxhaswe yi-EU.

19:35.599 --> 19:41.784
Ithimba eliholwa nguProfesa Hugo Rüdiger liphinde
lehluleka ukuletha imiphumela eyamukelekayo embonini

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evela emalabhorethri eNyuvesi Yezokwelapha yaseVienna.

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Sibonise, ngokususelwa kudatha yokuphendula, ukuthi
amasimu kagesi-magnethi anamaza aphezulu angalimaza amagene.

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Asisekho siqinisekile ukuthi umonakalo ngeke wenzeke
ongabeka impilo yabasebenzisi befoni ephathekayo engcupheni.

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Okwamanje, asikwazi ukuphika ukuthi amathuba
okuthi ukwenzeka kwezithumba zobuchopho kuzokwanda

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kakhulu eminyakeni engu-15 kuya kwengu-20 ezayo.

20:15.279 --> 20:25.920
Masithathe ubufakazi bamaza kagesi-magnethi ngokungathi sína
manje, singalindi eminye iminyaka engu-40 kuze sibone okuthile.

20:25.920 --> 20:32.933
Inhlangano yomshwalense wezingozi i-AUVA eVienna yabuka
imiphumela yocwaningo lwe-Reflex ngokukhathazeka futhi

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yafuna ukuyala iMedUni Vienna ukuthi iphinde lolu cwaningo.

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Manje isu lomdlalo wempi lalidingeka ngokuphuthuma.

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Ngo-2008, iphephabhuku lezindaba elidumile
laseJalimane i-DER SPIEGEL lamsola uProfesa

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Rüdiger, osephumile emsebenzini, ngokufakelwa.

20:49.799 --> 20:55.400
Isithombe nesihloko kwakusikisela ukuthi uprofesa
wayenobudlelwano bothando nomsekeli we-labhorethri.

20:55.400 --> 21:00.558
Udaba lokukhohlisa olusolwayo lwembulwe
ngusosayensi wezinto eziphilayo ovela eBremen ekude, obhekwa

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njengomuntu osebenzisana kahle nomkhakha wezimboni.

21:05.720 --> 21:12.155
Ngokusho kwe-SPIEGEL, imiphumela yocwaningo, kuhlanganise
nokuphuka kwezigaxa ze-DNA, kwakuyinkohliso nje eyenziwe

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umsizi waselebhoratri owayemhlonipha kakhulu uprofesa wakhe.

21:16.039 --> 21:22.140
Ngobusuku obubodwa, ososayensi nomsebenzi wabo baphikiswa.

21:23.759 --> 21:28.559
Yebo, yilokho okwenza imidlalo yezimpi isebenze kahle kakhulu.

21:28.559 --> 21:32.200
Ngizothatha iVienna futhi, njengoba sinabavakashi base-Austria.

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Esilayidini esilandelayo, nginomhlohlotelo omncane
ovela endatshaneni emagazini wezepolitiki iProfil.

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Lona isibuko esincane, ngihlala ngithi.

21:44.720 --> 21:52.630
Futhi intatheli yesayensi uTina Goebel
wayecwaninge ngokujulile ngesigameko seReflex futhi

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wafinyelela ezinqolobaneni ezahlukile ngokuphelele.

21:57.200 --> 22:05.618
Ngakho-ke wathola ukuthi ososayensi lapha abazange
benze inkohliso, kodwa kwakucindezelwa abantu

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abangaphandle, isibonelo umsizi we-labhorethri njalo njalo.

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Ngakho-ke lokho kwakungungcoliswa ngemisebe,
umkhankaso ongcolile owaqalwa ngumlobhisti odumile waseBremen.

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Kuzovela futhi esimweni esihlukile.

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Lokhu kungcoliswa ngemisebe, engikubonile kuyathakazelisa
kakhulu esimweni somunye wabezindaba engisebenza naye,

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ngokwemvelo kuneminye imikhawulo maqondana nemiphumela yaso.

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Ngambuza ngalokho futhi.

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Ifilimu elandelayo, ngiyacela.

22:43.640 --> 22:50.440
Omunye umphumela ongathandeki wokudlala imidlalo
yezempi ngobuchule ongafanele ukunganakwa wukwesabisa.

22:50.440 --> 23:00.319
Ubani ongathanda ukulwa nomkhakha onamandla onke futhi oqinile
kwezezimali nje ngoba kutholakale ingozi engaba khona kwezempilo?

23:00.319 --> 23:07.695
Ngiyazi futhi abacwaningi ababebambe iqhaza kakhulu kulokhu
abathi abasafuni ukwenza ucwaningo olwengeziwe

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ngemisebe yocingo lweselula ngoba uma bethola ukuthi
kuyingozi empilweni, iqembu elinamandla lizobabhubhisa.

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Ngakho-ke ngempela kunokukhathazeka
kwabacwaningi abangasafuni ukuthinta lolu cwaningo.

23:22.079 --> 23:29.131
Lokhu sekuyindaba esishisayo ngoba besaba ukuthi
bazobhujiswa hhayi kuphela ngokwesayensi, kodwa

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nangokomuntu siqu kwezinye izimo, njengoba kwenzeka eVienna.

23:33.160 --> 23:40.759
Empeleni, iphethini ibonakala
ngokusobala kusukela kumemo ye-Wargame yango-1994.

23:40.759 --> 23:46.921
Bonke ososayensi abathola inkinga ngemisebe
ye-microwave evela kumafoni ethu weselula

23:46.921 --> 23:50.400
nama-smartphone kamuva nabo babhekana nenkinga.

23:50.400 --> 23:54.680
Amacebo okudlala izimpi asekhona nanamuhla.

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NaseVienna kusasele ukunambitheka okubi, nakuba umqali
wokukhohliswa okucatshangwayo manje esesolwayo

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enkantolo futhi umsebenzi wesayensi
wabacwaningi baseVienna usuqinisekisiwe emhlabeni wonke.

24:09.279 --> 24:16.576
Isigameko sokuphenya eVienna kwakuyimpendulo
evela kumuntu engingambiza ngokuthi

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ummeleli wezepolitiki waseJalimane. Wenze izinsolo.

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Okokuqala, kwavulwa impikiswano yezemfundo,
eyashintsha yaba yimpikiswano ejulile kakhulu, ngenhloso

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yokudicilela phansi nokunganaki eminye imiphumela yocwaningo.

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Emuva kweminyaka eyisikhombisa, ngingasho
ngenhliziyo ecacile ukuthi indoda yagwetshwa.

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Lokho kuwukudicilela phansi okunobuqili.
Izinsolo sezifakazelwe ukuthi azinaso isisekelo.

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Futhi kubo bonke ababe nesasele emqondweni wabo ukuthi kukhona
okungahambi kahle, manje singasho ukuthi konke kuhamba kahle.

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Sizoqhubeka nokubheka le datha.

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Sisanda kuqeda iphrojekthi yokulandela,
eyasivumela ukuthi siqinisekise futhi sandise

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okutholakele ephrojekthini yethu enkulu yokuqala.

25:11.839 --> 25:19.119
Akukhona nje ukuthi i-DNA ebucayi iphuka kwezinye izicubu.

25:19.119 --> 25:26.240
Namuhla, sesiyazi futhi ukuthi kungani kuphuka.
Singachaza indlela yamaseli esebenza ngemuva kwayo.

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Ngokombono wesayensi, lokhu kuwukutholwa
okubalulekile ekwethuleni amaqiniso ngendlela ekholisayo.

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Ukudlala izimpi e-Austria kubonakala kusho nokuhumusha kabi
nokugoba amaqiniso, njengalokhu okwenzeke

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ocwaningweni lwe-AUVA oluholwa nguProfesa Mosgöller
ngenhlangano yelobhi yezimboni i-FMK evela eVienna.

25:52.640 --> 25:58.801
Lolu hlelo lokuhumusha kabi ngenhloso luvame ukuthathwa kube
sezingeni eliphezulu kakhulu, isibonelo lapho izindaba

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ezingamanga zishicilelwa emagazini wezokwelapha
wase-Austria i-Ärzteblatt, okuthi kuphela lapho kubhekwa

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ngokucophelela kuvela ukuthi kuyikukhangiso okukhokhelwayo.

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Kodwa izinto ziyaqala ukuqinisa
kancane kancane kubaculi bokudlala ngabanye.

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Yebo!

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Yebo, yebo, lezo yizinto ozibona kuphela uma ubuka
kabili, futhi umthengi ojwayelekile akazi nokuthi

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kungase kube nezikhangiso ezikhokhelwayo ngemuva kwazo.

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Kodwa lawa ngamathuluzi
esisebenza nawo. Lena yinsalela yomsakazo.

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Futhi manje kwakukhona enye into eyayiyinkimbinkimbi, okungukuthi
i-IARC (Inhlangano Yomhlaba Wonke Yezokucwaninga

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Ngomdlavuza), engaphansi kwe-WHO, esekwe eLyon,
yahlela lokhu njenge-carcinogen yohlobo 2b ngo-2011.

27:08.759 --> 27:20.414
Lesi sigaba naseshicilelwa obala, futhi ngokungahleliwe, indoda
eyabangela isigameko se-Vienna ayizange yamukelwe ekhomitini

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yochwepheshe ngenxa yokuxhumana kwayo okusondele embonini.

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Futhi waze waveza intukuthelo yakhe ngalokho obala.

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Futhi imboni ngokwemvelo izama ukunciphisa ukubaluleka
kwalolu hlelo lokuhlukanisa, kodwa kamuva kwashicilelwa izifundo

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ezengeziwe ezaqinisekisa ukungabaza ngengozi yokuba nomdlavuza.

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Lokhu kwaqinisekiswa ngocwaningo
oluhambisanayo ezimbili kanye nocwaningo olukhulu

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ezimbili, olulodwa eMelika nolunye eBologna, e-Italy.

27:53.720 --> 28:04.168
Futhi ividiyo elandelayo engiyikhethele nina, ukuze
konke kube sobala kancane, ichaza ucwaningo nokuthi

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kuphikiswa kanjani. Ngakho-ke, ngiyacela nijabulele le vidiyo.

28:11.720 --> 28:18.715
Kwaphinde kwaba iphephabhuku lezohwebo iMicrowave News elaba
yilowo wokuqala ukubika ngocwaningo lwe-NTP futhi

28:18.715 --> 28:25.519
lakhumbuza abafundi ukuthi ukuqhekeka kwemicu ye-DNA
sekwatholakala eminyakeni engaphezu kwengu-20 edlule.

28:25.519 --> 28:35.400
Omunye wabahleli bocwaningo be-NTP ukhipha
isexwayiso esiphuthumayo futhi ubiza izinyathelo ezisheshayo.

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Ngenxa yokusetshenziswa kabanzi kwamafoni
eselula, ngisho nengozi encane eyandisiwe ingaba

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nemiphumela emibi kakhulu empilweni yomphakathi.

28:44.599 --> 28:50.125
Okwamanje, iziphathimandla zezempilo zikahulumeni
kufanele zikhuthaze izinyathelo zokuvimbela,

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ikakhulukazi ezinganeni nasemakhosikazini abakhulelwe.

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Ingozi ingaba phezulu ezinganeni ngenxa yokungena
okukhulu nokuzwela okwengeziwe kobuchopho obusathuthuka.

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Yiziphi izifundo esingazifunda?

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Asisafanele sicabange ukuthi noma yiziphi izobuchwepheshe
ezingenantambo zamanje noma ezizayo,

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kuhlanganise ne-5G, ziphephile ngaphandle kokuhlolwa
okufanele. Ukungazihloli kungabi ngokwezimiso.

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Ngaleso sikhathi cishe njengocwaningo lwe-NTP, kwenziwa ucwaningo
lwesikhathi eside ngama-rat nama-mouse eBologna, e-Italy, olwaqala

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ngo-2005, olunikeze izimpawu ezikhulu zokuthuthukiswa kwamathumba
angavamile ngenxa yokukhishwa kwemisebe yocingo lweselula.

29:37.160 --> 29:42.799
Njengoba bekulindelekile, zombili
izifundo manje sezibhekene nokugxekwa okukhulu.

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Iqembu eliphemayo i-ICNIRP liyaphinda lizama
ukwehlisa imiphumela, lithi ihlelwe ngokuhlanganyela.

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Inhloko yocwaningo lwase-Italy ibona umdlalo wempi kanje:

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Okuphela kwento esiyabelana ngayo ukuthi
izifundo zizimele. Futhi lokho kubaluleke kakhulu.

30:06.599 --> 30:12.359
Sithole imiphumela efanayo. Futhi ngithi, hhayi ngengozi.

30:12.359 --> 30:22.240
Futhi basisola ngokushicilela imiphumela
engase ibeke engcupheni ukuzinza komphakathi wethu.

30:22.240 --> 30:26.319
Siyajabula kakhulu ukuba nalezi zisetshenziswa zonke.

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Manje-ke sisakaza ukwesaba phakathi kwabantu?

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Cha, asifuni ukusabalalisa ukwesaba.

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Ngifuna ukukhuthaza imboni ukuthi isebenzele umphakathi.

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Ngoba ngokuvamile thina abathengi sisebenzela umphakathi.

30:46.920 --> 30:49.920
Futhi ngifuna ukushintsha le ndlela yokucabanga.

30:49.920 --> 30:55.200
Kodwa umthwalo wemfanelo walolu shintsho awukho kimi.

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Uma kwenzeka ukuthi izivivinyo zezilwane nazo zikhombisa izimpawu
ezicacile, njengoba kubonakala ngokwemibiko yokuqala,

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khona-ke akukho enye inketho ngaphandle kokuyibeka eQenjini 1.
Ngaphandle kwalokho, lokhu kuzophikisana nezimfuneko ze-IHC .

31:18.480 --> 31:29.680
Ngaphansi kwalezi zimo, ukubekwa eQenjini 1, okusho ukuthi
kuyingozi ekubangeleni umdlavuza kubantu, ngeke kugwemeke.

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Yebo, yilokho umbono wochwepheshe. Futhi ngemuva kwezithombe,
kukhona nezinye izifundo eziya ngokuya zisekela lo mbono.

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Umbuzo uwukuthi, thina njengabathengi sizobhekana nakho kanjani?

31:46.039 --> 31:50.119
Siyazi yini ukuthi lezi zifundo zithi ini?

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Cha, imidiya nayo idlala indima enkulu lapha.

31:54.200 --> 32:01.930
Sinesimo esibalulekile sokudlala imidlalo emibili
embonini, njengasemkhakheni wami wezokuxhumana

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ngocingo lweselula, njengoba kwenzeka nge-coronavirus.

32:06.359 --> 32:13.744
Ngingathi amafayela e-RKI ayinto eyodwa, kodwa iHhovisi
Likazwelonke Lokuvikela Ekuthelelekeni Ngemisebe

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lifana kakhulu ne-RKI, ngoba lifihla izinto – futhi
livikela imisebe, kodwa ngeshwa alivikeli abathengi!

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Futhi manje sisanda kuzwa ukuthi i-ICNIRP, iKomishana Yamazwe
Ngamazwe Yokuvikelwa Ekukhanyeni Okungeyona Eyama-Ionising,

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empeleni iyinhlangano okumele iqinisekise
ukuthi ukuvikelwa ekukhanyeni

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kwama-radiation kwabathengi kusebenza emhlabeni jikelele.

32:43.279 --> 32:49.103
I-ICNIRP isekelwe kuphi? Isisekelwe eHhovisi
Likazwelonke Lokuvikela Ekukhanyeni eMunich

32:49.103 --> 32:52.279
futhi ixhaswa ngabakhokhi bentela baseJalimane.

32:52.279 --> 33:00.839
Baphinde bathole i-secretariat khona mahhala,
futhi kuyinhlangano yelobhi yamahhala, masithi.

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Lokhu sekuchazwe ngokusobala kulo mbiko
ngamalungu amabili ePhalamende laseYurophu.

33:07.559 --> 33:13.400
Omunye nguMichèle Rivasi, esizofika kuye kamuva.

33:13.400 --> 33:21.832
Kanti omunye unguprofesa waseJalimane wefiziksi, uProfesa Klaus
Buchner. Bahlanganisa lolu lwazi futhi bakwazi ukuthola

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ukungqubuzana kwezintshisekelo phakathi cishe
kwazo zonke izilungu zale komidi, iKomidi Yamazwe

33:28.564 --> 33:32.319
Ngamazwe Yokuvikelwa Ekukhanyeni Kwezima-radiation.

33:32.319 --> 33:41.440
Futhi yilokho ngqo inkinga: ezikhundleni ezibalulekile
kunabantu abavikela imboni kunokuba bavikele abathengi.

33:41.440 --> 33:49.799
Futhi yilokho okuyimpande yezinkinga zethu. Futhi
yingakho akekho phakathi kwethu owaziswe kahle.

33:49.799 --> 33:58.400
Futhi yingakho kubaluleke kakhulu ukuthi kube
nezinhlangano ezifana nale kanye namathuba okuveza iqiniso.

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Ngoba akukho enye indlela. Sidinga
ngempela umbono omusha ngokuphelele ngamaqiniso.

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Futhi njengoba ngishilo, empeleni
kuya kuba nokucindezela okwengeziwe.

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Islayidi elilandelayo yi-okubizwa ngokuthi ucwaningo lwe-STOA.

34:23.360 --> 34:34.153
Lokhu kwakuyisicelo esenziwe nguDkt. Fiorella Belpoggi wase-Italy
ngoba ucwaningo lwakhe eRamazzini Institute lubonisa izinga

34:34.153 --> 34:43.565
eliphezulu lobuchwepheshe, olubuye lufunwe kaningi
e-United States njengofakazi obalulekile kwezinye izindawo

34:43.565 --> 34:48.400
ezahlukahlukene eziphathelene nokubangelwa komdlavuza.

34:48.400 --> 34:54.840
Ungathi ungowokuqala emhlabeni emkhakheni wocwaningo lomdlavuza.

34:54.840 --> 35:04.199
Futhi ngenxa yalokho, iPhalamende laseYurophu
liyalela ukuthi enze okubizwa ngokuthi ucwaningo lwe-STOA.

35:04.199 --> 35:10.719
Lena iPhaneli Yekusasa Lesayensi Nobuchwepheshe.

35:10.719 --> 35:15.599
Singakubiza lokhu ngokuthi ukuhlolwa kobuchwepheshe.

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Futhi imiphumela yalezi zindaba ibe yini?

35:19.360 --> 35:28.519
Ngiphinde ngifune ukuphakamisa isisho esifushane,
ngoba i-5G empeleni, uma ungathanda, iyinqhwebu.

35:28.519 --> 35:35.679
Futhi lokho empeleni kuhle esimweni esibucayi sefoni ephathekayo,
ngoba sebedlulele kancane ezinyathelweni nasembonweni.

35:35.679 --> 35:47.146
Kodwa imiphumela ayizange iqale nge-5G. Kodwa
mhlawumbe ngingafingqa ngokushesha amaphuzu ayinhloko ngomlomo

35:47.146 --> 35:52.880
ngaphambi kokuvumela uProfesa Paul enze isitatimende.

35:52.880 --> 36:05.480
Bahlola izifundo ezingama-800 ezikhona futhi bathi,
"Misa ngokushesha ukunwetshwa, fundisa umphakathi."

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Futhi ngisho, ingabe sesikufundile
lokhu kunoma kuphi? Cha ngempela.

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Kodwa lezi ngempela izinyathelo ezingaba
yimpumelelo enkulu ekuvikeleni abathengi.

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Futhi zifihlwa ngaphansi kwekhaphethi.

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Futhi yilokho ngqo umphumela womdlalo wempi.

36:23.199 --> 36:31.639
Futhi ngalolu daba, ngaphinde ngalalela umcwaningi
wezokwelapha waseMelika uProfesa Paul, onolwazi olunzulu.

36:31.639 --> 36:36.940
Ngifuna ukudlala lokho okulandelayo.

36:40.159 --> 36:48.604
Kumele siphinde sicubungule yonke le ndaba ngokubheka
okutholakele kwethu, okungukuthi amagagasi erediyo angaba

36:48.604 --> 36:57.961
nomthelela omkhulu ebuchosheni nasohlelweni lwezinzwa, angalimaza
i-DNA yamaseli ethu, abangele ukucindezeleka kwe-oksijini

36:57.961 --> 37:04.275
okuhlotshaniswa nezifo eziningi ezingapheli,
avuse izimpendulo zamahomoni futhi abe

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nemiphumela ekuzaleni, okungaholela ekonakaleni okukhulu.

37:10.719 --> 37:16.320
Futhi ukuqagela kwami ukuthi i-5G izokwenza
zonke lezi zimphumela zibe zimbi kakhulu.

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Futhi-ke kunomdlavuza, okuyinkinga enkulu impela.

37:21.519 --> 37:29.038
Uma ubheka yonke imininingwane, i-5G iyethusa kakhulu. Manje,
njengoba kungenzeka wazi, uhlelo lokufaka izigidi

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zalezi zitebhisi ezintsha ngaphandle kokwenza noma
yimuphi ukuhlolwa kokuphepha kwezinto eziphilayo.

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Futhi lokho kuyahlanya ngokuphelele.

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Yebo, ikakhulukazi ngenxa yocwaningo oluhlala lukhombisa
amaphethini afanayo, ngakho-ke ngacabanga nangokuthi singenzeni.

37:54.719 --> 37:59.440
Ngakho mhlawumbe singakwazi
ukwenza okuthile ngezindlela zomthetho?

37:59.440 --> 38:04.768
Futhi ngingakutshela ukuthi eMelika
kunamacala abizwa ngokuthi yizimfantu zobuchopho,

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azongena eminyakeni yazo engu-25 ngonyaka ozayo.

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Kuyinto efana neTobacco Road.

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Ngakho-ke lokho esakuzwa ngetabaku, sikuzwa lapha.

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Kuhlala kunabahluleli abasha; abahluleli bayashintshwa.

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Kukhona labo ababhekwa njengabanobandlululo.

38:24.320 --> 38:30.639
Bese kuzoba neminye amakhasi ayi-10
000 amasha omahluleli omusha embonini.

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Imboni iqashe izinkampani zomthetho ezingama-40 ukuze izivikele.

38:36.800 --> 38:43.960
Futhi manje isingena eminyakeni yayo engu-25,
ngakho kuwumkhosi wokugubha. Futhi lokho kumangalisayo.

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Sidinga ngempela ukuhlela ukuvikelwa
kwabathengi ngendlela ehlukile ngokuphelele.

38:48.719 --> 38:57.000
Futhi lapha sinayo iphakethe elifanayo
futhi, eyayibonakala naku-WHO kwezinye izethulo.

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Abathengi, masithi, bayahudulwa.

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Futhi lokhu akukwazi ukuqhubeka.

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Yingakho bengicabanga, ndawonye nabantu abacabanga
ngokufanayo, ukuthi singathatha yini izinyathelo zomthetho.

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Kwathi-ke saqasha ucwaningo lwezokuxhumana ngocingo lweselula.

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Empeleni siphumelele ukuqoqela imali yokuhlanganisa
abantu abahamba phambili abanamakhono kulezi zinto.

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Futhi saqalisa ucwaningo olubizwa ngokuthi ATHEM-3.

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Futhi mhlawumbe ngingafunda ngokushesha imiphumela.

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Sahlola abantu abahlala eduze kwesiteshi
esiyinhloko somakhalekhukhwini nabahlala ebangeni elide.

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Ngabe kunomehluko? Futhi uma kunjalo,
yiziphi imiphumela yalo mngcipheko wezempilo?

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Bengingathanda ukufunda kafushane imizuzu:

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Zombili izinhlobo zocwaningo zibonise umehluko obalulekile
phakathi kwabantu ababebhekene namazinga aphezulu

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noma aphansi kakhulu okukhishwa kukagesi okuvela
kuma-antenna asebenza kule ndawo. Ngakho-ke kunomehluko.

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Ukuhlaziywa kokuguquguquka kwesilinganiso sokushaya kwenhliziyo
kunikeze ubufakazi bokuthi akukho mehluko ophathelene nokuchayeka

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ongalinganiswa phakathi nosuku, kodwa ukuchayeka okukhulu noma
okuqhubekayo kwemikhakha kagesi-magnethi

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ngesikhathi sokuphumula ebusuku kunciphisa umsebenzi
wokuvuselela wokulala – yilokho esisanda kukuzwa ku-Ivo.

40:33.519 --> 40:43.682
Ukuhlaziywa kwamachromosome ezibonelo zegazi kunikeze ubufakazi
bokuthi ukuchayeka kubangela umonakalo we-DNA, okuholela

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ekuqoqekeni komonakalo wamachromosome eminyakeni eminingi.

40:49.239 --> 40:56.934
Amaqembu ocwaningo womabili athole ubudlelwano obubalulekile
ngokwezibalo phakathi kwemiphumela emibi yomzimba nokuchayeka

40:56.934 --> 41:02.485
emikhakheni yangaphandle yamandla kagesi kanye
nezindunduma eziphindaphindayo eziphakeme

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ezivela eziteshini zesisekelo zocingo lweselula.

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Futhi zitshalwa ngokunganaki emaphandleni, nakuba sinemiphumela
ecacile lapha, esivele yashicilelwa emhlabeni wonke.

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Futhi sifuna ukubhekana nakho ngqo. Ngeshwa,
njengoba inhlanhla ingathandanga, ummeli wethu, umholi

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wethu, uchwepheshe wethu wezomthetho ugula kakhulu.

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Futhi njengamanje sifuna ithimba lezomthetho.

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Ake sibone ukuthi singakwazi kangakanani
mhlawumbe nokuhlela lokhu neSwitzerland nokunye.

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Ngakho-ke kunezinketho eziningi. Futhi
sidinga ushintsho lwepharadigimu lapha futhi.

41:50.480 --> 41:53.440
Bese kwenzeka olunye udaba lomuntu siqu.

41:53.440 --> 41:58.079
Ngokwalesi sikhathi, ngisaphila kahle, ngicabanga.

41:58.079 --> 42:07.400
Angikakayigcwalisi ngokuphelele ifilimu yami yakamuva ngesikhathi
ngacelwa ukuyibonisa ePhalamende laseYurophu eBrussels.

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Mhlawumbe wayeseqedile cishe amaphesenti angama-80.

42:10.199 --> 42:18.072
Futhi kule filimu, sasibonile ngqo laba bantu engibakhulume
ngabo, kuhlanganisa uMichèle Rivasi noKlaus

42:18.072 --> 42:26.480
Buchner, abavele bathola lezi zindaba ze-ICNIRP, kanye
nobungane bemboni kwezinhlangano okufanele zisivikele.

42:26.480 --> 42:32.412
Besinengcweti yefiziksi ye-quantum lapha
eyarekhoda ezinye izindlela kwezobuchwepheshe,

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ikakhulukazi kwezobuchwepheshe bokukhanyisa.

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Ngakho-ke sasimenyiwe ukuba sibe
yingxenye yengxoxo ePhalamende laseYurophu.

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Awufanele wenze lokho – ifilimu ayikakayinqamuki – kodwa
ngacabanga, kulungile, lokhu kuwudumo olukhulu kangaka.

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Kwakugcwele amaphesenti angama-80. Futhi
lokho kwakusivele kumangalisile kakhulu.

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Yebo, futhi emasontweni amabili kamuva,
u-MEP waseFrance uMichèle Rivasi washona.

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Inokunambitheka okubabayo ngemva kokugwinya, kodwa kunjalo nje.

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Kwathi-ke iWargaming yaphenduka yamelana nami, hhayi evela
emkhakheni wezepolitiki, kodwa evela phakathi kwamalungu ayo.

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Izinhlangano ezibizwa ngokuthi zokuvikela abathengi,
empeleni ezigxeka ukuxhumana ngocingo lweselula,

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zithole ukuthi ifilimu entsha kaScheidsteger yayisendleleni.

43:24.519 --> 43:32.000
Futhi uScheidsteger akazange asicabangele
njengenhlangano evikela abathengi, okungamukeleki ngempela.

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Ngakho-ke ukuzigqaja nezinye izinto nazo zidlala indima, ngeshwa.

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Kwabe sekufika ukugxekwa okuvela phakathi kwethu,
okuthi, yebo, sasikaze sibone ifilimu yokukhangisa

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kaScheidsteger yenkampani yezobuchwepheshe eRosenheim.

43:47.559 --> 43:51.400
Futhi cishe ixhaswe yibo noma yini engajwayelekile enjalo.

43:51.400 --> 44:03.360
Hhayi-ke, ngihlale ngivuma ukuthi, njengomqambi wefilimu, angibeki
igama lami ezintweni ezingase zisetshenziswe ngokumelene nami.

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Kodwa-ke, bazame ukungihlazisa futhi bazama
ukuvimba ukuqedwa kwefilimu esekelwe ezinikelo.

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Bese ngabuka futhi le filimu eZurich, eSwitzerland.

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Futhi nganginenhlanhla enkulu, ngiyavuma,
ukuthi izinhlangano zaseSwitzerland zazikhona lapha,

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ezangitshela, "Hawu, lokhu kubaluleke kakhulu."

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Futhi njengamanje senza okuthile
mayelana nezigxobo zocingo lweselula lapha.

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Labo yizindoda ezimbili ezangisondela.

44:39.119 --> 44:46.719
Okokuqala, kunenhlangano "WIR" noDaniel
Laubscher, umhleli wendawo onolwazi olunzulu.

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Futhi njengamanje bayalwa nalezi zakhiwo ze-antenna enkantolo.

44:50.920 --> 44:57.599
Bathi, hhayi-ke, masenze okuthile
ndawonye, ngoba nathi sisondelene.

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Futhi kumele ngisho, ngempela, kamuva sabamba umbukiso
wokuqala wefilimu ethi "The Digital Dilemma" eSwitzerland.

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Sahlela lokhu cishe ngonyaka owedlule.

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Futhi abangane baseSwitzerland abakhona lapho, angikaze
ngibone okufana nakho ngaphambili, bahlele ngempela okuthile.

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Manje sesinezinguqulo zolimi ezine.

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Futhi ungabuka ifilimu mahhala kuwebhusayithi
ngesiFulentshi, ngesiNgisi, ngesiTaliana nangesiJalimane.

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Lena ifilimu yedokhumentari yemizuzu engu-90.

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Kuyamangalisa nje ukuthi umoya wakudala
weNhlangano YaseSwitzerland usazwakala, ngokuthi.

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Akuyona nathi, futhi manje kakhulu
kunanini! Ngokuvumelana nje nesiqubulo.

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Yebo, kwabe sekuza okusha okungimangazayo kimi.

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Ngemva kokuba sengingummeleli wenkampani
yezobuchwepheshe futhi-ke ngabe sengisasaza ukwesaba –

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okungakholakali – kwavela okusha okumangazayo okulandelayo:

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Manje ngikhona namaNazi.

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Ngempela.

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Yebo, wamukelekile eklabhu.
Akukholakali, kodwa kuvela phakathi kwethu. Yebo.

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Futhi lokho empeleni kuyahlazisa kakhulu.

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Futhi yilapho okufanele ngempela sizame khona ukubambisana.

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Ngakho-ke, futhi, ngiyabonga kakhulu
kubahleli, emndenini, emndenini nabangane.

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Futhi ngithemba ukuthi ukwazile
ukuthola okuthile emsebenzini wami.

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Ngiyabonga kakhulu – ngiyabonga kakhulu.

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– Ngiyabonga kakhulu! Manje ngizophinda isicelo lapha.

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Futhi hhayi kuphela kwamaSwisi, kodwa kusuka
eNhlanganweni yamaSwisi kuya emhlabeni wonke!

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Ngiyanxusa nina, abameli, abahluleli,
abamangaleli, nonke nifuna iqiniso, xhasani lo muntu mahhala!

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Konke okubona lapha kwenziwa ngokuzithandela.

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Lokho kusho izinkulungwane zabantu abasebenza emini.

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Futhi kusihlwa, sikhiqiza lezi zinhlelo, lolu
lwazi, ngesikhathi sethu sokuphumula, eholidini.

47:24.519 --> 47:29.000
Lokho kubiza imali engenamkhawulo,
yebo. Imali engenamkhawulo, ifilimu enjalo.

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Lobu buchwepheshe abunakulinganiswa.

47:31.840 --> 47:38.595
Ngiyanxusa nina, abameli; ngaphezu kwakho konke, manje
nisemgqeni wokuqala – niyabizwa ukuba nigcwalise igebe.

47:38.595 --> 47:42.280
Akusona thina abantu abangochwepheshe; konke kuncike kithi.

47:42.280 --> 47:49.119
... Qhubeka usebenza noMnu Brunner
naye, futhi ubasebenzele mahhala.

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Yenza konke ongakwenza ukuze kuqinisekiswe ukuthi kuphumelela.

47:53.800 --> 48:00.380
Ngikufisela konke okuhle. Futhi bukela
lezi zifilimu, bukela lezi zifilimu!

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Ukukhishwa kwemisebe kwefoni ephathekayo
ne-Wi-Fi kubi kubantu, ezilwaneni

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nasemvelweni. Sidinga izindawo ezingenamisebe! ASZA.org

48:13.719 --> 48:23.023
Manje ngithanda ukudonsa ukunaka kwenu kafushane kule filimu
ngesihloko esifanayo, esisakazwa namuhla

48:23.023 --> 48:32.880
ku-kla.TV. Iye yakhiwa ngezilimi eziningi futhi
iyidokhumentari ekhathazayo kakhulu mayelana ne-Stockholm.

48:32.880 --> 48:45.119
I-Stockholm ingumholi ku-5G futhi ibhekwa njengedolobha
elinokuhlangenwe nakho kwe-5G okuhle kakhulu eYurophu.

48:45.119 --> 48:53.059
Kodwa kule dokhumentari, abantu bathi amazwi abo,
futhi ngingakutshela ukuthi kuyisithombe sokwesabeka.

48:55.079 --> 49:04.800
Kwakuyinhlungu enkulu engake ngazizwa ngaphambili empilweni
yami. Kwakuyinhlungu enamandla kakhulu engake ngazizwa.

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Futhi lokho kwenzeka izikhathi
eziningana. Ngacabanga ukuthi ngizofa.

49:11.840 --> 49:21.679
Ngakho-ke ngabona izixhumi ngabona ukuthi kukhona okungahambi
kahle ku-antenna. Lokhu kuyingozi. Kufanele ngiphume lapha.

49:21.679 --> 49:26.639
Yebo, abantu lapha bagula phakathi nezinsuku ezimbalwa. Ukushaya
kwenhliziyo ngokushesha, izinhlungu

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zekhanda, izinkinga zokulala, ukukhathala okukhulu,
ukulahlekelwa inkumbulo yesikhashana, njll.

49:31.400 --> 49:39.480
Sizwe konke, kuhlanganise noMnu. Scheidsteger.
Futhi kuwukukhala nje okucela usizo okuvela eSweden.

49:39.480 --> 49:47.837
Futhi manje, ngifisa ukubuyela emuva kancane
ekuqaleni kwale ngqungquthela, ngoba lapha

49:47.837 --> 49:52.159
wonke umuntu angafaka ingxenye yakhe encane.

49:52.159 --> 49:59.280
Futhi ndawonye, noma yini iyenzeka. Lokhu kusho ukuthi
singakwazi futhi ukusabalalisa lo mkhuleko wosizo, isibonelo.

49:59.280 --> 50:06.848
Noma usabalalise amafilimu kaMnu. Scheidsteger, ngoba
abantu balwa ngezimpilo zabo lapha. Kumele baphunyuke

50:06.848 --> 50:10.880
emakhaya abo ngenxa yokukhishwa kwezintuthu ezibulalayo.

50:10.880 --> 50:16.809
Futhi ngithi into efanayo izosenzeka kithi uma
singayeki lobu buhlanya. Yingakho ngiyacela nonke nisize

50:16.809 --> 50:20.320
ukusabalalisa izindaba ngalezi zidokhumentari ezibalulekile.

50:20.320 --> 50:25.400
Futhi ngithanda ukukugcizelela lokho futhi.
Ubaba wathi ngaphambilini, konke kungokuzithandela.

50:25.400 --> 50:31.703
Senza konke lokhu ngesikhathi sethu sokuphumula. Ngithanda
ukumema nonke, izivakashi zethu, ngisho nalabo kini abangase babe

50:31.703 --> 50:35.516
lapha okokuqala, ukuba nihlanganyele
nathi. Isibonelo, ngoLwesithathu ozayo

50:35.516 --> 50:38.159
sizophinde sinikeze imisebenzi yokwenza ngezandla.

50:38.159 --> 50:43.164
Ungahlanganyela ku-inthanethi, kungakhathaliseki
ukuthi uphi. Ungasiza. Iqembu elilodwa,

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isibonelo, lizokwaba lolu hlelo lwe-dokhumentari ndawonye.

50:46.519 --> 50:54.679
Siyawathumela kubantu abahlukahlukene. Sinezindlela
zethu. Senza konke esingakwenza ngoba kucenzwa kakhulu.

50:54.679 --> 51:01.480
Kodwa sizophinde sivikele imithombo, ngoba imithombo iyanyamalala
njalo. Sizocwaninga ndawonye. Kunezinhlangano ezahlukene.

51:01.480 --> 51:09.679
Ungathola okwengeziwe
ku-www.kla.tv/mitwirken. Lapha ungabona amaqembu ahlukene.

51:09.679 --> 51:18.035
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zinhlangano njalo emasontweni amabili kulo lonke ihlobo.

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