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Kwintetho elandelayo, igqwetha elinamava liza kuphonononga kwaye
lingqine ngobungqina isihloko esiphazamisayo esithethwe nguGqr

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Michael Brunner, ngokweenkcukacha ezingakumbi nezisebenzisekayo.

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Ijongene ikakhulu nezisongelo esijongene nazo ngenxa
yeengqeqesho zomthetho ze-WHO, izivumelwano zayo zobhubhane,

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kunye ne-IHR, oko kukuthi, iMigaqo yaMazwe ngaMazwe yezeMpilo.

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Umbuzo usemile: ingaba sijongene
nesoyikiso solawulo lwezempilo olucinezayo?

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Phambi kokuba simemele esi sinye isidwangube kwi-AZK yama-21
ngembono yaso yobuchule eza kusityebisa, masijonge i-CV yaso.

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UGqr Beate Sibylle Pfeil, wazalwa ngo-1967, ligqwetha
laseJamani kwaye ungumphandi ozimeleyo ogxile kwimiba

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enxulumene neentlanga ezimbalwa kuzwelonke eYurophu.

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Oku kusebenza ngokukodwa kumthetho
wesimiso, owamazwe ngamazwe, nowaseYurophu.

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Uzenzele igama kwicandelo lakhe ngenxa yentetho-zifundo ezininzi
kunye nempapasho ezisisiseko, kuquka nokuba ngumbhali-mbambiswano

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wesanduleli esineevolumu ezininzi malunga namaqela eentlanga.

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Wayengumhleli oyintloko ukusukela ngo-2008 ukuya ku-2016.

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Ukusukela ngo-2019, ubengomnye wabahleli
be-European Journal of Minority Issues (EJM).

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Wafunda umthetho kwiYunivesithi yaseHeidelberg waza
waphumelela uviwavo lwesibini lukarhulumente eFreiburg.

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Ngo-2002, waphumelela ngembeko kwisifundo
somthetho kwiYunivesithi yase-Innsbruck.

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Wasebenza waza wenza uphando kwiZiko
laseSouth Tyrol leMaqela eZizwe iiminyaka engama-20.

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Kwiminyaka eyi-17, ibe ingumsekela-mlawuli wezenzululwazi.

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Ukususela ngo-2017 ukuya ku-2023, wayelilungu laseJamani
lekhomithi yezazi yeSatyathile saseYurophu

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seLwimi lweNgingqi okanye lweZizwana ezimbalwa,
isivumelwano samazwe ngamazwe seBhunga laseYurophu.

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Ukususela ngo-2017 ukuya ku-2022, wayenguSekela-Sihlalo
weZiko laseYurophu leMicimbi yamaQela aNcinci eFlensburg.

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Umsebenzi wakhe wangoku ugxile kumanyathelo e-coronavirus,
kuquka nezicwangciso ze-WHO ngokwembono yezomthetho.

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Ulilungu leNethiwekhi yabaJaji nabaTshutshisi abaCingayo,
iNgqungquthela yeeGqirha nabaZazi ngezeMpilo, iNkululeko

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neDemokhrasi, iiGqwetha eziZimeleyo, iiGqwetha zoKukhanyiselwa,
iManyano yoNyango yeHlabathi yeWorld Health Alliance

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kunye noMbutho wabaNgcali bezoNyango weHippocratic Oath.

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UGqr Beate Pfeil uthetha namhlanje nge-WHO, isivumelwano
sobhubhane kunye nemigaqo-nkqubo yezempilo yamazwe ngamazwe.

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Ingaba sijongene nesoyikiso solawulo lwezempilo olucinezayo?

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Wamkelekile, Gqirha Beate Pfeil.
Enkosi ngokwabelana nathi ngobuchule bakho.

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Enkosi kakhulu. Yiba yintolo eqaqambisiweyo. Enkosi.

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Ndiza kuba yingozi kakhulu
namhlanje, kodwa andiyingozi njenge-WHO.

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Kwaye ndingathanda ukuqala ngokuvakalisa umbulelo wam osuka
entliziyweni kumntu endisebenza naye uMnu Brunner ngesihloko sakhe

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esihle kakhulu, ingakumbi kuba yile dignithi yomntu ingaphuliwayo
kanye eyandikhuthaza ukuba ndiqalise izifundo zam zomthetho.

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Esi sivakalisi sokuqala esivela kuMthetho oSiseko waseJamani
besisoloko singumkhuthazo wam kuyo yonke imfundo yam yezomthetho.

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Kwaye xa ndithetha nge-WHO namhlanje, ndicinga ukuba akufuneki
sonke sibe ngamagqwetha. Ukuba sijonga lo mcimbi

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ngembono yentlonipho yobuntu size sihlolisise i-WHO
ngale ndlela, ezinye iimpendulo zinokuza ngokwazo.

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Okulandelayo, ndingathanda ukugxila ikakhulu
kwizivumelwano ezibini ezibalulekileyo ze-WHO, iMigaqo yezeMpilo

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yaMazwe ngaMazwe kunye neSivumelwano seNtsholongwane.

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Kodwa kuqala, masicacise oko sele kusebenza kwi-WHO.

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Kuba oko sikufumene kule minyaka kuthiwa yi-Corona
ukusukela ngo-2020, kwaye oku akunakugxininiswa ngokwaneleyo,

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kunento yokwenza nolawulo, ndingatsho, lwe-WHO olusele lukho.

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Kungoko ke ingongoma yokuqala, uhlaziyo lwe-WHO.

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Emva koko kukho umbuzo wokuba yintoni esinokujongana nayo ukuba
izilungiso kuMgaqo-nkqubo wezeMpilo waMazwe ngaMazwe, ezamkelwa

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phantsi kweemeko ezithandabuzekayo ngomhla woku-1 kuJuni
2024, ziza kusebenza ngokwenene, phantsi komthetho

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wamazwe ngamazwe kwaye mhlawumbi naphantsi komthetho wasekhaya.

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Emva koko, kwingongoma yesithathu, ndingathanda
ukuthetha ngesivumelwano sobhubhane, esiye

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saziswa kulo nyaka kodwa asikawamkelwa ngokupheleleyo.

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Ndingathanda ukucacisa ngaloo nto ngokufutshane kamva.

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Emva koko, kwingongoma yesi-4, ndiza
kwenza isishwankathelo sam okwangoku.

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Ingongoma yesi-5 imalunga nokuhlola iimbono: yintoni
enokwenzeka ngokulandelayo nge-WHO nezicwangciso zayo?

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Kwaye ngaphezu kwako konke, kukho umbuzo endicinga ukuba
usichaphazela sonke: singenza ntoni? Thina, abemi ngabanye.

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Ewe, ingongoma yokuqala. Ngokuphathelele kwi-WHO kunye neengxaki
zayo ezisisiseko esele zikho, ndiza kuthi oku okwangoku.

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Liyimpazamo enkulu yenkqubo.

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I-WHO yasekwa ngo-1948 njengombutho wamazwe.

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Kwaye kancinci kodwa ngokuqinisekileyo, ukususela
phakathi kweminyaka yoo-1980, kwavela ingxaki eyayinxalenye

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yento yokuba i-USA yamiswa iminikelo yayo yobulungu.

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Yinto eqhelekileyo ukuba imibutho enjalo ixhaswe
ngemali ngeminikelo eqhelekileyo evela kumazwe

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angamalungu ayo, engabekelwanga bucala iinjongo ezithile.

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Phakathi kweminyaka yoo-1980, ngeqhutywa yi-United
States, amazwe amalungu nawo awamiswa iminikelo yawo yobulungu.

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Kwaye ke kwaqala... Emva koko, ngokufihlakeleyo, ngokuzolileyo
nangokuthule, intlekele yaqalisa ukuthatha indlela yayo.

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Namhlanje, malunga nama-85 ekhulwini
oluhlahlo-lwabiwo-mali lwe-WHO luxhomekeke kwiminikelo

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yokuzithandela, uninzi lwayo olugqunyiweyo iinjongo ezithile.

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Aba bamniki-mali, abangena negalelo kwi-WHO ngoku,
baquka amazwe angahlawuleli nje kuphela imirhumo yabo

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yobulungu, kodwa enika neminikelo eyahlukileyo kwi-WHO.

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Ngelishwa, ndingatsho ukuba iJamani
ingumzekelo omhle kakhulu kulo mba.

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Ngoko ke imali yethu yerhafu iye kwi-WHO ngobuninzi.

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Kwaye ngoku i-US irhoxile, iJamani
mhlawumbi ngoyena mnikeli mkhulu.

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Emva koko kukho nemibutho yorhulumente yamazwe
ngamazwe phakathi kwabanikeli, kwaye ke kuza

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umba obuthathaka: abantu abaninzi abazimeleyo.

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Ngoku kukho, njengoko ndichazile phantsi
komcibisholo wesithathu, isifundo esitsha esihle kakhulu

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esivela e-Itali, hayi, esivela e-Australia, hayi e-Itali.

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Bahlolisise iminikelo ebekelwe bucala kwi-WHO – nangona kukho
iinkampani zamachiza ezisibhozo kuphela phakathi kwazo – kodwa

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zonke ezinye iziko nemibutho engeyiyo amazwe, ezenza iminikelo
ebekelwe bucala kwi-WHO, zineenjongo eziphantse

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zibe ngama-100 ekhulwini ezinxulumene
namachiza, njengoko olu phononongo lutyhila ngobuchule.

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Bayibiza ngokuba iyahambelana neefama.

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Kwaye ezimbini eziphambili yiGates Foundation
kunye nomanyano lweGavi lwezitofu zokugonya.

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Kweli nqaku, ndingathanda ukwenza elinye iingcebiso yokuqala:
ootata abaseki be-WHO babenento engqondweni xa babhala kwiNqaku

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37 leMgaqo-siseko ye-WHO ukuba, ekusebenziseni imisebenzi
yabo, uMlawuli-Jikelele nabasebenzi akufuneki bafune okanye

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bamkele imiyalelo kulo naliphi na urhulumente okanye igunya.

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Kwaye oko kusebenza koorhulumente okanye kwii-arhente
zoluntu kusebenza ngakumbi kwimigaqo ebophelelayo evela

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kushishino lwamachiza okanye kwimibutho enxulumene nalo.

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Oku kuthetha ukuba i-WHO iyayiphula umgaqo-siseko
wayo ngala minikelo igxile kwinjongo ethile,

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kwaye kukho neminye imigaqo-nkqubo eyongezelelweyo.

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Emva koko sinengxaki enye kwimvelaphi yala
minikelo ye-WHO, engakwaziyo ukugxininiswa ngokwaneleyo:

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Ukuba, umzekelo, iBundestag yaseJamani ingathi, ewe, kufuneka nje
siphinde sonyuse iminikelo yamazwe angamalungu, ngoko besiya kube

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siyicombulule lula ingxaki yokuxhomekeka kwishishini lamachiza.

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Hayi, Kudala ngoku sidibanise ngokufihlakeleyo nangokuzolileyo
kwaye saziqinise ubudlelwane phakathi kwamazwe nabantu

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abazimeleyo ngasemva ngale ndlela ingathembekanga, ndingatsho,
yokwakha intsebenziswano phakathi kukarhulumente nabucala,

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engasabuzwayo, apho, umzekelo, kwi-GAVI okanye
kwi-CEPI, i-WHO idityaniswe noorhulumente, ne-Gates

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Foundation edumileyo kwaye, qaphela, nabavelisi begonyo.

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I-Unicef, iBhanki yeHlabathi kunye
nezinye ii-NGO nazo ziyabandakanyeka kwi-GAVI.

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I-European Commission kunye namaziko ophando afanayo
ayaxhasa i-CEPI, enenkqubo yokuphuhlisa izitofu zokugonya ezilwa

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nazo zonke iintlobo zeentsholongwane kwiintsuku ezili-100.

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Ngokwembono yomthetho, oku akwamkelekanga kwaphela kuba amazwe –
kwaye apha sibuyela kwingcinga esisiseko yokuba amazwe akho ukuze

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akhonze abantu – kunye nabantu ngabanye, kubandakanywa
isidima somntu nenkululeko yomntu, kunye neenkampani

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zabucala, ezinokuba ngokusesikweni zijolise ekwenzeni inzuzo.

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Kodwa xa ezi zinto zimbini zidityaniswayo kwaye
amaziko karhulumente axhomekeka kwiminikelo yabucala

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eqhutywa yinzuzo, ke ngoko sisele sijongene nentlekele.

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Kwaye lo mcimbi uphela, osele unxulunyaniswe ne-WHO kwaye
ekungekho nasinye isithunywa sePalamente yaseJamani, umzekelo,

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esakhe sawucingisisa ukuza kuthi ga ngoku – kufuneka sibabonise
oku – kukungabikho kwenkululeko yokwenza izinto elubala kwi-WHO.

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Asikuphela nje ukuba sinentsebenziswano phakathi kukarhulumente
namashishini abucala, apho la macandelo edibeneyo, kodwa

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sikwanayo, njengoko oogxa bethu abakrelekrele
bebonisile, nokutshintshiselana okuqhubekayo

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kwabasebenzi phakathi kweGAVI, iGates Foundation kunye ne-WHO.

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Ngokwenene, iGates Foundation ifaka isandla ngokuthe ngqo
nangokungathanga ngqo, ngokusebenzisa imibutho eyinceda,

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malunga nama-20 ekhulwini wohlahlo-lwabiwo-mali lwe-WHO.

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Kwaye uMnu Gates, ngakolunye uhlangothi uzibonakalisa
njengomntu onobubele, kanti ngakwelinye uhlangothi wenza

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inzuzo kuyo yonke ingxowa evela kule minikelo kuthiwa yeyesisa.

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Ngoko ke ngoku sinokungquzulana kwezinto eziluncedo okukhulu. Xa
ingcali ekuthiwa yeye-WHO isebenze kwishishini lamachiza ize

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ngequbuliso ibuyele kwi-WHO okanye ibuyele ukusebenzela i-GAVI,
siba nokungquzulana kwezinto eziluncedo

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okugqithisileyo. Kwaye nantsi into: oku kungquzulana akuchazwa,
kwaye ngequbuliso kuvela umba wokukhuselwa kwedatha.

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Emva koko, ingongoma elandelayo: izivumelwano nabaxhasi be-WHO,
apho umntu anokubona ngeenjongo abanxulumanisa nezipho zabo,

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kunokuthiwa, "Nceda sebenzisa isitofu sethu seModRNA, sikuhle
ngokwenene, ubuncinci xa kuziwa kwingeniso, kungenjalo

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asizukunikela nanto kuwe, ngoko ke nceda
siyicebise," kwaye, hayi indlela ekwenzeka ngayo, la

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makontrakthi nawo akachazwa, akafumaneki kuluntu jikelele.

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Kwaye eyona nto ibalaseleyo yinkqubo ebizwa ngokuba
yi-Emergency Use Listing Procedure, eyaziswa yi-WHO ngo-2022.

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Iinkampani zamachiza sele zinokwenza isicelo apho ukuze amayeza
kunye nezitofu zokugonya azivelisayo zivavanywe, kuqala kulingo

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olungekho sesikweni, phambi kokuba kwaziwe ngokuchanekileyo ukuba
leliphi intsholongwane yobhubhane ekuthiwa iyingozi ngoku eqala

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kwakhona, oko kukuthi, kuqala ngokubhekiselela nje kwiintlobo
ezifanelekileyo, emva koko, kwinyathelo lesibini, xa kuvela le

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ntsholongwane kuthiwa yeyobhubhane, kusetyenziswa iintsholongwane
ezithile ezifanelekileyo. La mayeza

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neentsholongwane zovallo ziyavavanywa, kuqala
yikomiti yokuqala emva koko yikomiti elandelayo.

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Kodwa ngoku kuza isikolo esikhulu kunazo zonke: i-WHO izigcinela
ilungelo lokuzigqibelela ukuba iza kwenza ntoni

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na ngeziphumo zezi ngxelo zeengcali, kwaye
ikwagcinela ilungelo lokugqiba enoba izipapashe na.

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I-WHO igcina ulawulo olupheleleyo
phezu kweziphumo zeengxelo zeengcali.

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Le ikwaskandali engazange ibonwe, size ke sizibuze ukuba kutheni
abantu abaninzi kangaka ngoku bexakekile ngenxa yomonakalo

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wesitofu sokugonya, isitofu esithi seso-coronavirus, kwaye
kwezinye iimeko basengazi ukuba isenokuba sesona sizathu.

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Ngoko ke ngoku sinayo i-WHO esele isokola ngenxa yokusilela
okukhulu kwenkqubo yayo, kwaye ngoku kuvela ingxaki

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enkulu ngokwenene enxulumene nenyaniso yokuba umntu
omnye unamagunya agqithisileyo ngaphakathi kwi-WHO.

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Kwaye nguye uMlawuli-Jikelele, njengoko sisazi. UMnu.
Tedros ngokwakhe usaphantsi kweliso elibukhali lemibutho

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yamalungelo oluntu ngenxa yezono zemfazwe njalo njalo.

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Lo uTedros, ongenabo kwaphela ubunini bokwamkeleka
ngokwentando yabantu, sele enako ukubhengeza ezithi ziimeko

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ezingxamisekileyo zempilo ezixhalabisayo kwihlabathi jikelele.

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Kwaye ngesiseko esinjalo, unako ukukhupha ezi
zinto kuthiwa ziingcebiso, kwaye sabona isiphumo

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sezenzo zikaMnu. Tedros zokuziphakamisela ngo-2020.

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Njengoko sonke sisazi, oku kubandakanye iimfuno zokugonywa
novavanyo, uhlolo lwezonyango, unyango,

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ukulandelela abantu abadibeneyo, ukwahlulwa,
ikwarantini, izithintelo zokuhamba norhwebo, njalo njalo.

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Ngoku, umqinisekisi weenyaniso usenokuthi, ewe, kodwa uTedros
kufuneka athathele ingqalelo imigqaliselo

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ethile esekelwe kwinyaniso, njengoko
kuchaziwe kwimiMiselo yezeMpilo yaMazwe ngaMazwe.

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Ewe, kwaye ke igqwetha liyavuya lithi, ewe, sinoluhlu olude
lwezifo, kwaye ukuba zikho kwaye zisasazeka ngokukhawuleza

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kwihlabathi jikelele, ngoko unokubhengeza imeko kaxakeka.

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IsiNgesi, esifinyezwe ngobulumko sibe yi-PHEIC, iMeko kaXakeka
yezeMpilo yoLuntu eXhalabisayo kuMazwe ngaMazwe – hayi ke impoxo!

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Kwaye xa enika iingcebiso, umzekelo, ngeemfuno zokugonywa
ngokubanzi okanye ezizezesakhiwo esithile, kufuneka ajonge

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ukulingana kwazo, kufuneka ajonge ukuba ngaba ziyanceda
ngokwenene na ekunqandeni izifo ezosulelayo

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kwihlabathi jikelele, kuthekani ngeziphumo
ebezingalindelekanga njalo njalo, kufuneka enze yonke into.

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Ewe, ikwiphepha, kodwa – kwaye le nto nayo ayisaziwa kakhulu,
isayingaziwa kakhulu – ubungqina besayensi

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nokulingana ngokwemilinganiselo kubaluleke kakhulu apha,
kwaye elo phepha ibhalwe kulo alixabisekanga kwaphela.

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Kuba nangona uTedros enekomiti yongxamiseko emcebisayo,
iyamcebisa yona kuphela kwaye ayizimele kwaphela. Amalungu ayo

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abekwa nguTedros ngokwakhe kwaye anokugxothwa xa kuyimfuneko.

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Ngokungafaniyo nelo kuthiwa lilizwe elisebenza ngomgaqo-siseko
esilifunayo ngoku, akukho gunya lizimeleyo lokongamela.

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Konke oku kuthetha ntoni?

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Sinengxabano yezinto ezininzi eziphikisanayo.

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Sijongene nomngcipheko omkhulu wokwenziwa kwezinto ngokungekho
mthethweni, ukuxhatshazwa, nokusetyenziswa kwamandla

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nguMnu. Tedros, onokuba uthethwa ngasese ngabantu
abohlukeneyo ngezinto ezingaphaya kobungqina nokulingana.

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Yiyo loo nto igama elithi "ingozi yolawulo
lwangaphandle" likwakhankanywe apha, ngubani na.

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Kwaye into elele ekupheleni kwale nxalenye yeyona nto imbi kunazo
zonke: ingozi, edala yaba yinyani, yokunyhashwa

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ngobuninzi kwamalungelo asisiseko, kuquka ilungelo
lobomi, ukuphelela komzimba kwaye, ewe, impilo yomntu.

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Loo nto, kwaye ayinakuthethwa rhoqo
ngokwaneleyo, yile nto i-WHO eyiyo namhlanje.

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Yintoni esinokulindela kwixesha elizayo xa la migaqo yezempilo
yamazwe ngamazwe, esele ikufuphi nokwamkelwa – njengoko

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benditshilo, kunyaka ophelileyo, kwaye
ngoku ixesha lokuchasa liphelile phantse kuwo

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onke amazwe; oko kwakungomhla we-19 kaJulayi.

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Amazwe ebene thuba lokuchasa i-WHO malunga nokungena koku sebenza
kwale mithetho yezempilo yamazwe ngamazwe, ukususela ngo-2024.

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Ngoko ke i-WHO endala ngabe isebenzise inguqulelo yangaphambili.

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Ngelishwa, zimbalwa kakhulu iindawo
ezisebenzise lo mhla wokuvalela womhla we-19

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kaJulayi. Siza kuxoxa ngakumbi ngale nto kamva.

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Abanye ngoku banyanzelekile phantsi komthetho wamazwe ngamazwe
ukuba baphumeze le IGV ukuba abakayenzanga

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oko, kwaye iya kungena esebenzayo phantsi
komthetho wamazwe ngamazwe ngomhla we-19 kuSeptemba.

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Ithi ntoni?

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Sele siyifomule i-PHEIC kwi-IHR ekhoyo njengohlobo oluqinisiweyo
– ngoku kongezwa ingxakeko yobhubhane – kwaye siyakholelwa –

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njengamagqwetha, siyibona le nto kwangoko – ukuba zikho izinto
ezongezelelweyo eziqinisa imeko – kufuneka ibe

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yingozi ngakumbi, intsholongwane kufuneka
isasazeke ngokukhawuleza nangakumbi kumazwe amaninzi.

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Kumalunga nokugqitha umthamo wenkqubo yezempilo.

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Ingongoma yeyokuba le ntsholongwane, njengoko iboniswa
ngolu hlobo lubi kangaka, inokubangela ukuphazamiseka eluntwini

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nakwezoqoqosho, ize ke ithi umngcipheko ophezulu uyanela.

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Ngoko ke le nayo yihlazo elingazange libonwe; inkundla
yomgaqo-siseko esebenzayo, efana neNkundla

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yoMgaqo-siseko yeFederal yaseJamani, kufanele ngokwenene
iyichithele phantsi ityala elinje kwasekuqaleni.

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Ke ngoko, ingqongqo yesi-2: yintoni kanye
kanye ethethwa yi-IGV entsha ngokucacileyo?

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Into iqela lezazisi zamachiza ebelinokuba beliyifuna kwaye
beliyithemba ixesha elide kakhulu: ugxininiso olutsha, ulwimi

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olutsha oluhle, iimveliso zempilo ezifanelekileyo, kuquka, ewe,
amayeza, izitofu zokugonya ekuthiwa zinjalo,

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kwaye kananjalo, into endiyifumana ikhathaza kakhulu,
iindlela zonyango ezisekelwe kwiiseli nakwimfuza.

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Ngokwenkcazelo esisandul' ukuyiva kumntu esisebenza naye, uBrody.

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Kwaye zonke ezi nyathelo ngoku zinokuba yimiba yeengcebiso
ezingxamisekileyo. Kodwa nokuba akukho meko ingxamisekileyo,

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uTETROS, uMlawuli-Jikelele, unokukhupha iingcebiso.

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Ezi ziingcebiso ekuthiwa zisisigxina.

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Ngoku, uphando nophuhliso lweemveliso ezinjalo lufuneka
lulandelwe ngenkuthalo, kwaye kucace gca kwiingxelo

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ze-WHO ukuba ezi ziya kuba ziimveliso ezisekelwe
kwi-mod-RNA, ingakumbi xa kuziwa kwizitofu zokugonya.

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Uphando nophuhliso kufuneka lukhuthazwe kakhulu, kwaye kwakhiwe
amatsha amaziko emveliso kwihlabathi jikelele kuba, njengoko

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ngoku sisivile naseGeneva, ingxaki nge-COVID-19 ibikukuba amazwe
asaphuhlayo ngokubonakalayo ebengenawo ufikelelo

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olwaneleyo kuyo yonke le mivuzo. Kulapho ke kungena
khona umgaqo wokulingana, okanye ulwabiwo olulinganayo.

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Kwaye ubumbano, phantsi kwesibane sobumbano, luthetha
ukuba amazwe atyebileyo kufuneka avule iipokotho zawo

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ukuze lawo mabuhlwempuzekileyo akwazi ukuvelisa nangakumbi.

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Kwaye njengoko benditshilo ngaphambili, sele ikho le nxaxheba
yokusetyenziswa kwexeshana likaxakeka, nto leyo

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ethetha ukuba i-WHO sele izama ukuphembelela
kakhulu kwii-arhente ezilawulayo kwihlabathi jikelele.

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Kwaye ndikucaciselwe oku ziingcali: imveliso yesi
sitofu sogonyo esibizwa ngokuba yiModRNA ngokungenakuphepheka

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iquka uhlobo lophando lokwandisa ukusebenza kwayo.

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Oku kuthetha ukuba iintsholongwane ezibangela ubhubhane, ngoku
ezifunwa ngenkuthalo kwihlabathi jikelele kuba nazo zenza inzuzo

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enkulu, zitshintshwa ngobuchwepheshe elebhu, oko
kukuthi, utshintsho lwemfuza lwenziwa ngabom ukuze

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kwenziwe isitofu sokugonya esijoliswe kanye kolu tshintsho.

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Iingcali azivumelani ngokuba kubi kangakanani oku.

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Ndivakalelwa nguGqr. Wodarg, emva koko
ndivakalelwa nguNjing. Wiesendanger.

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Andingengcali kule nkalo, ngoko andinakugweba.

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Ndibona kuphela ukuba uxinzelelo
oluveliswayo apha lubonisa ngokucacileyo ukuba

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kukho iimfuno ezicacileyo ezibethandabuzekayo.

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Kukho amaqela angathanda ukubona ubhubhane omtsha.

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Okungako ndiyakuqonda kuko konke oku.

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Oku kuthetha ukuba sibona ukuqiniswa okungakumbi kwale mbono
yonyango ethambekele kwicala elinye, nejikeleze kuphela iipilisi.

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Sikunyuke iingozi zokhuseleko.

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UProfesa Kemmerer uthetha inyani xa esithi olu
fakiwo lwe-mod-RNA lwenza iimeko ezingcono

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ngakumbi zokuba ubhubhane unyamezeleke emzimbeni womntu.

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Ngokucinezela inkqubo yokhuselo lomzimba,
ezi zitofu zikhawulezisa ngakumbi iintlanga.

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Oko kunokutshiwo ngokuqinisekileyo ngokusekelwe kulwazi lwangoku.

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Ubomi nempilo kusengozini ngakumbi.

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Ngoku kuza ingongoma yesithathu eyingozi kakhulu.

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Le IGV ngoku iqulathe oko besikuvile ixesha
elide kwi-EU, noko sikuvayo nakumazwe ethu.

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Silapha kwinkomfa yokuchasa ukuvalwa komxholo.

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Kwaye esinye sezixhobo zeengcinga eziyingozi kakhulu yile ngcinga
ikhohlakeleyo yokuba kukho igunya ndaweni ithile elibanga

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ilungelo lokulwa iinkcazelo ezingeyonyani nezokulahlekisa.

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Kwaye le monyopolo yenyani, endisoloko ndimangaliswa kukuba
akukho mjaji womgaqo-siseko na phantse

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nawuphi na ingcali yomthetho womgaqo-siseko
oyiqaphelayo, ichasene kakhulu namalungelo asisiseko.

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Ilungelo elisisiseko lenkululeko yokuthetha kunye
nenkululeko yezifundo lisekelwe kwingcinga yotshintshiselwano

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olukhululekileyo lwezimvo kwingxoxo ekhululekileyo.

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Kwaye xa oko sekuncitshiswe, ke ezi
nkululeko ngokwenene sele zityhafisiwe.

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Ngoku oku kuthethwe ngaphandle kwaso nasiphi
na isikhalo esivela kwimithombo esemthethweni.

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Idabi lokulwa iingcaciso ezingeyonyani
kunye nokuxhatshazwa kolwazi kule IGV intsha.

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Okongezwe koku yindlela yokunxibelelana ngeengozi.

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Ngoko ke kukho omnye umntu ohleli apho owaziyo indlela
esebenza ngayo, nendlela le mngcipheko ekhangeleka ngayo.

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Kwaye ngoku nguye othetha ukuba yintoni exelwa
eluntwini, nokuba yintoni ekufanele ibe yingozi.

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Yaye yonke enye into ifihliwe.

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Emva koku kukho ingqikelelo enobuqili
obukhulu. Ibizwa ngokuba kukulwa i-infodemics.

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Nanku kwakhona ulwimi lwepropaganda:
i-infodemic, ephantse ibe yingozi njengesi sifo sogcawu.

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Kwaye ngokwentelekelelo, kunokwenzeka kananjalo
ukuba nokuba yinkcazelo eninzi kakhulu inokurhoxiswa.

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Ngubani othathetha ukuba yintoni kakhulu?

27:31.390 --> 27:38.530
Kungoko ke thina bantu singasakwazi kuwahlula
phakathi kolwazi esilufumanayo nolo singalufumaniyo.

27:38.530 --> 27:45.586
Ngoko ke, kubonakala kukho into ebeqhubeka ixesha elide
malunga nolawulo lokuziphatha kwi-WHO, kodwa hayi apho kuphela.

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Abantu abasahoywa ukuba bavume ukuthobela iimfuno ezithile
ngamandla okhuthazo kunye nomsebenzi olungileyo wamaziko

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karhulumente – nto leyo ibiya kuba yinto entle
kakhulu – kodwa endaweni yoko, kusetyenziswa

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ukulawulwa kwengqondo kwindlela abaziphethe ngayo.

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Ngoko ke asisayidingi ubungqina besayensi, nto leyo eluncedo
kwabo bafuna ukusebenzisa amandla okanye ukwenza inzuzo.

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Oku kuqiniswa yinyaniso yokuba i-WHO isayine izivumelwano
nalo lonke ishishini lezobuchwepheshe ledijithali elikhulu.

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Kwaye ngubani, xa kukho urhano, onokuthi
abaxelele ukuba yintoni eyinyani nentoni engeyonyani.

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Okumangalisayo, akukho esidlangalaleni nako.

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Ngoko ke apha, esiswini sayo, sinokucinezelwa kwezulu,
kwezimvo, kulwazi, nakwabezindaba, abezindaba abakhululekileyo,

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imidiya ekhululekileyo, emele izimvo eziphikisanayo.

28:44.640 --> 28:49.426
Kwaye, ewe, kwaye oku kuyabulala, inkululeko yezemfundo.

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Ke, ingongoma yokugqibela ebalulekileyo: yintoni enye ekwi-IGV?

28:55.650 --> 29:07.430
Ngoku bayalela amazwe ukuba aseke igunya lesizwe le-IHR, eliya
kuba noxanduva kuphela lokuphumeza izibophelelo ze-IHR, kwaye

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nakwinqanaba lolawulo oluphakathi, umzekelo eJamani kwelinqanaba
likarhulumente omkhulu okanye kwelinqanaba likamasipala,

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amagunya ezempilo kuyo yonke indawo kufuneka ajoliswe okanye,
ndingatsho, anomdla wokuzihambanisa nezibophelelo ze-WHO.

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Kwiimeko zokuthandabuza, akusahlolwa ukuba ezi
zinto zivakalisa na kwaye, ngaphezu kwako konke, ukuba

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ziyahambelana na nomgaqo-siseko namalungelo oluntu.

29:40.410 --> 29:46.093
Oku ke ngoko kuya kwandisa uxinzelelo kumazwe
asayinileyo ukuba ayisebenzise le ntwanano.

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Oko iya kuba yi-IGV 2024, nto leyo esinokuyilindela.

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Isivumelwano sobhubhane sisekude kakhulu, kwaye
ngethamsanqa elikhulu, sisenokungaphakanyiswa.

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Oku kukwanaso nokwenza unxulumano
nezi meko zongxamiseko zobhubhane.

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Nangona kunjalo, isivumelwano sobhubhane
ngokwaso asinagunya lokubhengeza iimeko zongxamiseko.

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Ngelishwa, sele sinayo i-IGV yaloo nto.

30:20.426 --> 30:25.910
Kodwa ithi, umzekelo, ukuba isivumelwano
sisebenza ngexesha leentlanganisela zezifo kunye nawo.

30:25.910 --> 30:30.146
Ngoko ke, kuxhasywa ibali lobhubhane apha.

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Siphila kwixesha lobhubhane.

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Ingcaciso ekuphela kwayo yisifo esosulelayo esisuka kwizilwanyana
sisiye ebantwini (i-zoonosis), nto leyo

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ekugqibeleni ikwabandakanya izenzo zabantu. Igama
elingundoqo: uphando lokwandisa ukusebenza kwentsholongwane.

30:41.350 --> 30:44.704
Oko kuza kufihlwa ngokukhawuleza kakhulu.

30:44.704 --> 30:51.990
Ngoko ke, sinokuphatheka ngakumbi nokuqiniswa
kokukhuthazwa kwezi mveliso zempilo zifanelekileyo.

30:51.990 --> 30:55.570
Yonke into endisele ndiyikhankanyile apha ngokunxulumene ne-IGV.

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Ukongeza, ukudluliselwa kobuchwepheshe kufuneka
kwenzeke phakathi kwabazizityebi nabangamahlwempu.

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Kukho ke neNkqubo edumileyo yoFikelelo
lweeNtsholongwane nokuAbanelwa kweeNzuzo.

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Ingxaki yeyokuba amazwe kwihlabathi jikelele
ngokwendalo alwa ngenxa yokufikelela kwizinto zefuzo.

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Kodwa ngesiseko esinjalo, kunokuphuhliswa amayeza nezitofu
zokugonya, nto leyo eluhlobo lweshishini oluvelisa inzuzo enkulu.

31:17.470 --> 31:22.130
Kwaye amahlwempu, ewe, afuna ukwabelana ngenzuzo yabazizityebi.

31:22.130 --> 31:27.530
Oko kusenokuba lithamsanqa kuthi, kuba
kukho iingxabano zangaphakathi malunga nemali.

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Kwaye seso nesizathu sokuba esi
sivumelwano sobhubhane singekagqitywa.

31:33.130 --> 31:43.295
Yiyo loo nto, xa yayamkelwa kulo nyaka, kwaphantse kwangxanyelwa
ukuba iSigaba 12(2) sithi isivumelwano

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singavulelwa ukutyikitywa kuphela xa la maqela evumelene
ngesihlomelo sesi sibizwa ngokuba 'yinkqubo yepapal'.

31:54.630 --> 32:02.607
Oku kuthetha ukuba sinethemba elincinane lokuba ungquzulwano
lwangaphakathi – apho xa abantu ababini bexabana, umntu

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wesithathu evuya – mhlawumbi ungquzulwano malunga
nemali, ludlala indima ebaluleke kakhulu apha

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kwaye luza kusikhusela kwesi sivumelwano sobhubhane.

32:14.410 --> 32:17.750
Kwaye oko kungaba kuhle kakhulu.

32:34.070 --> 32:38.170
Kakade ke, kusengumcimbi
wokomeleza iinkqubo zemvume yongxamiseko.

32:38.170 --> 32:44.200
Oko kwakukhe kwakho kweli phepha longezelelweyo
– masithi luluhlu lokuNgeniswa

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okuNgxamisekileyo – ngoku kuchazwa ngokweenkcukacha ezingakumbi.

32:49.250 --> 32:57.470
Ngoko ke ekugqibeleni, umba ukuseka iqela elikhulu
lezoshishino nezonyango lehlabathi jikelele, akukho nto yimbi.

32:57.470 --> 33:04.770
Ayikho malunga nempilo. Imalunga noko
kuchasene nempilo. Abantu baya kuphila apha.

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Impilo yabantu nokuphelela komzimba
bafakwa esichengeni ngenxa yenzuzo namandla.

33:17.106 --> 33:25.950
Kwaye ke sinayo ingongoma yesithathu: ingqikelelo
ye-infodemic kwisivumelwano sobhubhane iyinkxalabo kakhulu.

33:25.950 --> 33:29.130
I-IGV iquka ukulwa inkohliso neendaba ezingeyonyani.

33:29.130 --> 33:32.070
Kaloku ke, nantsi enye into emangalisayo.

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Imalunga nokomeleza ulwazi lwesayensi,
lwezempilo kunye nolwe-pandemic lwabemi.

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Ngoko ke apha siyibona ngokucacileyo inyaniso ethi i-WHO
iyiphumelele yodwa: uluntu lufanele luhlantswe iingqondo

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kwiinkalo zeentlanganeko zezifo, impilo yoluntu kunye nesayensi –
ngokwendalo, kuphela ngendlela i-WHO eziqonda ngayo ezi ngongoma.

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Ewe, kuba, njengoko benditshilo, asinalo igunya lokubeka iliso.

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Ummi-meli weZizwe eziManyeneyo okumgangatho ophezulu sele etshilo
ngokucacileyo, ngaphandle kwesikhalo esivela kwiZizwe

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eziManyeneyo, ukuba i-WHO, njengoko sisazi,
yinkampani engaphantsi kweZizwe eziManyeneyo,

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kwaye iZizwe eziManyeneyo ziyingumnini wesayensi.

34:21.570 --> 34:26.766
Inkolelo-ze inento yayo nempahla, nceda?

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Ingcaciso ekuphela kwayo isoloko ilamandla nengeniso.

34:31.370 --> 34:39.125
Kwaye ke abantu kufuneka baziwe malunga
nokusebenza kakuhle nokukhuseleka kweemveliso zonyango.

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Ngoko ke oku kuthathwa njengento eqinisekileyo kwaye
isikhokelo sokuziphatha siya kuqhubeka ukukhuthazwa.

34:45.888 --> 34:55.552
Emva koko, kukho olunye uhlaziyo, inkqubo yokubeka iliso
eyomeleziweyo kunye nokwaziswa komgaqo okhoyo we-One Health,

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odibanisa impilo yezilwanyana nempilo yokusingqongileyo kunye
nempilo yabantu, nto leyo enika i-WHO amagunya

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angaphezulu angenakulinganiswa kwaye, ewe kona,
isetyenziselwa ukuxhasa le ngcamango ye-zoonosis.

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Okuthethwayo kukuba, izifo ezibhubhanayo azinakuze zibangelwe
ngabantu, kodwa zibangelwa kuphela zizilwanyana ezithi

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ngequbuliso zigule kakhulu ngendlela eyingozi, kungakhathaliseki
isizathu, ze ke eso sifo sonke sisasazeke kubantu.

35:24.730 --> 35:32.226
Ukusasazeka kwezifo ezisuka
kwizilwanyana ukuya ebantwini, ewe, sele kufakiwe.

35:32.226 --> 35:37.762
Ewe, kwaye ukuba ngoku sijonga kwakhona yonke le
nto, ingcinga yokuba isidima somntu

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asinakunyhashwa, ingcinga yamalungelo oluntu, yenkululeko.

35:42.926 --> 35:49.433
Kwaye ke, xa sijonga la mvisiswano,
okokuqala nokuphambili sinosongelo olongezelelekileyo

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olusebenzayo kulawulo-zizwe lukarhulumente.

35:52.710 --> 36:03.993
Ndigxininisa "enyanisweni" kuba kwanango-2020, akukho
lizwe linyanzelekanga ukuba lenze nje iingcebiso ze-WHO.

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Kodwa bayenzile.

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Bawenzile, kwaye kwandothusa kakhulu.

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Kwaye uMnu. Brunner ucacisile ngobuciko
obukhulu apho iingxaki zikwiinkqubo zethu zomthetho.

36:18.192 --> 36:28.367
Into engekhoyo, ngokoluvo lwam, yimo engaphakathi engenakho
ukusinda ngaphandle kwayo nesona simiso

36:28.367 --> 36:37.950
somthetho sihle, imo engaphakathi ekwaziyo
nokulungisa isimo simiso somthetho esinamaphutha.

36:37.950 --> 36:45.080
Kukho amaxesha, umzekelo eJamani, kwaye ngokuqinisekileyo
nakwezinye iindawo, apho iNkundla yoMgaqo-siseko yeFederal

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yayisebenza ngempumelelo, ithatha inkululeko
nobuqaqawuli bomntu ngamnye njengendawo yayo yokuqala nenjongo

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yayo yokugqibela, kwaye ibeka oko phambili kuko konke.

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Kwaye konke oko kulahlekile.

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Ndikhumbula indlela endothuka ngayo xa ndafunda
okokuqala kwincwadana yomthetho wesimiso ukuba sonke

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isimiso sixhomekeke kwiimeko esingenakuzidalela zona.

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Kwaye bendisoloko ndicinga ukuba, ewe,
ukuba kubhaliwe ephepheni, kuya kuthotyelwa.

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Yindlela oqingqayo ngayo njengomfundi wezomthetho.

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Ndisandul' ukufundiswa isifundo,
kodwa sesona simgangatho uphezulu.

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Ngale mfazwe yokucinga, ngalo mgaqo-nkqubo we-infodemic, ngalo
Mthetho weeNkonzo zeDijithali we-EU, ngesi sifo sokuphambana

37:35.788 --> 37:43.985
sabavavanyi beqiniso, siphelela ekuguqulweni
ngokupheleleyo kwabantu ukusuka ekubeni ngabemi

37:43.985 --> 37:48.430
abacinga ngokwabo ukuya ekubeni ngabathobelayo.

37:48.430 --> 37:55.879
Oku kusebenza kuzo zonke iinkalo, kuquka ubuzwe,
amagunya omthetho, indlu yowiso-mthetho, njalo njalo.

37:55.879 --> 38:06.990
Kwaye ngaphandle kwale mfundiso yentlonipho nobulungisa
bomntu, nkqu nenkqubo yomthetho ayisakwazi ukusebenza.

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Umntu endisebenza naye uMnu Brunner ukubeke kakuhle kakhulu,
kwaye mhlawumbi ngeli xesha kufanelekile ukukhankanya ukuba

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ingxelo yokuqala yoMthetho oSisiseko waseJamani
ekuqaleni ibiqulethe isivakalisi esithi: urhulumente

38:18.174 --> 38:21.290
ukho ngenxa yabantu, hayi abantu ngenxa karhulumente.

38:21.290 --> 38:30.380
Kwaye konke oko ngoku, njengoko watshoyo ngobuhle
obukhulu ngenye indlela, konke oko kuphelile okwangoku.

38:30.380 --> 38:40.206
Ngoko ke, ubuzwe buqhubeka busongelwa kakhulu
yi-WHO, kwaye sinokusilela okupheleleyo kolawulo

38:40.206 --> 38:45.930
lomgaqo-siseko, kuquka neenkundla zomgaqo-siseko.

38:45.930 --> 38:53.317
Ndiyibona le nto ndoyika kakhulu, ingakumbi
eJamani, kunye nolu ngcungcutheko lwezopolitiko

38:53.317 --> 38:57.840
olwenzekayo kwilizwe lethu – bendingasoze ndiyicinge.

38:57.840 --> 39:05.192
Kwaye ke, ngokuqinisekileyo, kukho umngcipheko owongeziweyo
wemiqathango emikhulu kwinkululeko, izibhengezo

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ezingenangqondo zemo kaxakeka, kwaye mhlawumbi
neengcebiso ezisisigxina ezithintela inkululeko.

39:11.812 --> 39:21.366
Kwaye ngenxa yokungabikho kwamagunya okuqwalasela kwinqanaba
le-WHO, amazwe ayawatyeshela nje amagunya awo okuqwalasela.

39:21.366 --> 39:28.109
Emva koko sinalo elinye ingongoma ebalulekileyo, esele ichazwe
ngokuphindaphindiweyo ngoogxa bethu uSilvia Behrendt no-Amrei

39:28.109 --> 39:32.894
Müller: sibona ukufakwa kancinci kancinci
kweengcinga zomkhosi kumgaqo-nkqubo wezempilo,

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nto leyo engqamana nemeko iyonke yehlabathi.

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Nangona oku kungakhange kuchazwe kwizivumelwano, kukho
umgaqo-nkqubo wokhuseleko lwezempilo lwehlabathi jikelele:

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iintsholongwane ziphathwa njengentshaba yomkhosi, umngcipheko
wokhuseleko, kwaye ke kufuneka kuqaliswe impendulo ezenzekelayo,

39:48.965 --> 39:53.840
oko kukuthi, kubekwa indlela yokusebenza
ezenzekelayo kwaye, ewe kona, kuyasetyenziswa

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ukugonya ukulwa nazo, njengento eqhelekileyo.

39:56.610 --> 40:00.073
Akusekho mntu ubuza ukuba ingaba izitofu
zokugonya ziyayitshisa impilo yabantu na.

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Kwaye sikwabonile, nangona kunjalo kwindawo enye kuphela,
ukomelezwa kolawulo lwedijithali ngokubanzi lwabantu, ngenxa

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yokuba ngoku sele zingenisiwe izatifikethi zokugonya
zedijithali, nangona kungekuphela nje, kodwa le

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ikwayingumba obaluleke kakhulu xa kuziwa kulawulo olupheleleyo.

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Emva koko, ewe, kukho iinkqubo zempilo ezomeleziweyo
ezisetyenziswa yeli qela lezonyango namachiza, ingqikelelo

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ye-infodemic, endisele ndiyichazile ngokweenkcukacha.

40:31.270 --> 40:36.586
Kwaye ke, ngokwenene, kukho ukuhlengahlengiswa
kweengcingo okunyonyobayo kwezi zivumelwano.

40:36.586 --> 40:42.769
Kumalunga nokususa abantu kancinci kancinci kodwa
ngokuqinisekileyo kwingcinga yokuba mna ndimntu,

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nokuba inkululeko yam yeyona nto iqala kwaye iphele kuyo.

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Hayi, awuyonto, uluntu yiyo yonke into.

40:49.610 --> 40:52.480
Ingaba oku kuvakala kuqhelile kuwe?

40:52.480 --> 40:55.646
Isidima somntu, asisengomba.

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Sibona umkhwa wokuthobela ngokubambisana.

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Oku kubandakanya, umzekelo, le ndlela kuthiwa yeyoluntu lonke.

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Oku kuthetha ukuba xa kuvela ubhubhane oyingozi, wonke
umntu eluntwini kufuneka abambane aze asebenzele injongo enye.

41:13.130 --> 41:15.008
Loo nto ithetha ntoni, ngokwengqiqo?

41:15.008 --> 41:20.230
Ngokwengqiqo, kuthetha ukuba nabani na ongayi
elunxwemeni uyaphuma; sonke sesikhe sadibana nale meko.

41:20.230 --> 41:24.020
Kufuneka ufunde amalungelo akho
asisiseko, kungenjalo awuphumeleli.

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Nantoni na eyahlukileyo kwimbono eqhelekileyo
ihlaselwa kakhulu ngandlela ithile, kwaye ke kukho la

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malungelo obuxoki asisiseko obungakhethi buso nobunye.

41:34.500 --> 41:40.766
Kwaye ke ezi zibekwa kwinqanaba
elilinganayo namalungelo oluntu okwenene.

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Ewe, oko kuyiphendula ngokwenene loo mbuzo.

41:45.040 --> 41:50.533
Xa ndibuza, ingaba sisongelwa lulawulo lwezempilo olucinezayo?

41:50.533 --> 41:57.465
Asikuphela nje sinolawulo lwezempilo oluzidlayo, olusaxoxwa ngalo
ngoku, kodwa kukwakho nomkhwa wehlabathi wonke wokujikela

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kulawulo olungqongqo noluzidlayo kwiindawo apho oku
kungekabikho okanye kungazange kubekho kwixesha elidlulileyo.

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Kulapho kufanele kwenzeke khona.

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Sibona uxinzelelo olukhulu kumthetho, kumalungelo asisiseko,
nakwalungelo lokuvuma ngokuzithandela kwiimvavanyo

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zonyango, olufakwe kwiSihlomelo 7 seSivumelwano seZizwe
eziManyeneyo ngamaLungelo oLuntu, njengoko sele kukhankanyiwe.

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Sibeka uxinzelelo kubuzwe bamaZwe angamaLungu,
kwaye ekugqibeleni oku kubeka ingozi enkulu kakhulu.

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Ngoko ke, yinto enye kuphela: yonke okanye akukho nto.

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Yiyo loo nto sinecandelo lesi-5.
Ngamafutshane, kwenzeka ntoni emva koko?

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Ngethamsanqa, umntu unokuba noluvo aluthandayo malunga nezi
zizwe, kodwa ukurhoxa kwe-USA ibe luphawu olubaluleke kakhulu.

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I-Argentina nayo yalandela.

42:49.350 --> 42:56.160
La mazwe aza kuphinda axhase i-IGV kuyo nayiphi na inguqulelo.

42:56.160 --> 43:06.272
Le IGV 2024 nayo ayizukuxhaswa nguSirayeli
nase-Itali, nto leyo echulumancisayo kakhulu.

43:06.272 --> 43:13.830
I-Austria nayo ifake inkcaso, kodwa kungenxa yokuba,
kwaye ndiyitsho le nto ngaphakathi kwezicatshulwa, baqaphele

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kade kakhulu ukuba iPalamente ibingakayiniki imvume yayo.

43:17.830 --> 43:22.000
Noko ke, ngokomgaqo-siseko, oku bekufanele
kuvunywe; kwanayo neyokuqala kakhulu i-IGV.

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Oko kuthetha ukuba basaza kufuna
ukufumana imvume yePalamente – kodwa ke sisiqalo.

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Ngokuphathelele isivumelwano sobhubhane, njengoko
senditshilo ngaphambili, kuyathenjwa ukuba asiyi kuphumelela.

43:35.410 --> 43:42.817
Kwaye into enye ebalulekileyo yile – kwaye ndiyiqaphele le nto
kumzekelo we-Austria – oorhulumente abanganyulwanga ngqo

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ngokodemokhrasi bayavunyelwa ukuba bathethathethane baze
batyikitye izivumelwano phantsi komthetho wamazwe ngamazwe.

43:50.586 --> 43:53.790
Nangona kunjalo, ngokomthetho,
iipalamente kufuneka zinike imvume yazo.

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Sikwazile ukuqalisa oku kwemizuzu
yokugqibela nase-Austria, kuba ngandlel' ithile

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kwakukho impazamo yokungayihoyi, ngokumangalisayo.

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Kungoko kubalulekile ukuqaphela ukuba elinye icandelo
kukumelwa phantsi komthetho wamazwe ngamazwe, kwaye elinye

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kukusemthethweni ngokodemokhrasi kwezi zigqibo zikarhulumente.

44:11.970 --> 44:14.630
Ngokomthetho, iipalamente ziyabandakanyeka.

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Oku kuthetha ukuba amagqwetha kwihlabathi jikelele
nawo ayacelwa ukuba aphinde ahlole ukuba ingaba

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ayivumele na ipalamente ukuba ibe nelizwi konke konke.

44:25.790 --> 44:29.590
Ukuba akunjalo, nceda ubhekisele koku uze ukucele.

44:29.590 --> 44:35.110
Kungenjalo, ezi IGVs azinakunyanzeliswa lula nakwala mazwe.

44:35.110 --> 44:39.556
EGermany, benza izinto ngocoselelo ngakumbi
kwaye ngoku bayipasisile imithetho

44:39.556 --> 44:44.520
yokuvumelana ngokuxhaswa ngurhulumente womanyano.

44:44.520 --> 44:53.376
Noko ke, iJamani yayisele ivumele ixesha lokuchasa
liphelelwe, nto leyo ngokwenene elingana nokuqinisekiswa.

44:53.376 --> 45:00.273
Ngoku khawucinge ukuba iBundestag
neBundesrat aziyipasisiyo le mthetho yokuvumelana.

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Kulapho ke urhulumente eza kuba sesichengeni.

45:02.586 --> 45:06.880
Kwelinye icala, inoxanduva phantsi komthetho wamazwe
ngamazwe, kodwa kwelinye icala, akufuneki igqithe

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kwintando yePalamente ebonakaliswe ngendlela yedemokhrasi.

45:09.610 --> 45:11.810
Koyikeka ukuba bazakuvumelana.

45:11.810 --> 45:16.170
Nangona kunjalo, ndiyayifumana into
eyenzekayo phaya inomdla kakhulu.

45:16.170 --> 45:23.682
Kwaye yinto nje yokuba, ngenxa yemvelaphi yethu
yamalungelo oluntu, sinazo zonke iindlela zokuxhamla nayiphi na

45:23.682 --> 45:28.366
ithuba elivelayo e-Austria ukuze sikhanyise ngemicimbi enjalo.

45:28.366 --> 45:36.578
Kuyathakazelisa kananjalo ukuqaphela ukuba lo mthetho waseJamani
sele uchaza ukuba imvume kwi-IGV iyayinqanda ilungelo elisisiseko

45:36.578 --> 45:41.632
lokuphelela komzimba, inkululeko yomntu,
imfihlo yengxoxo-mbhalo, imfihlo yeposi

45:41.632 --> 45:45.410
nonxibelelwano, kunye nelungelo lenkululeko yokuhamba.

45:45.410 --> 45:53.679
Ngoko ke bathatha ngokuba oku kuza kwenzeka
ngokuzenzekelayo, nangona iigunya zaseJamani

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kufuneka ngokwenene ziphumeze imithetho ye-WHO.

45:58.490 --> 46:04.000
Ewe. Kwaye mna noMnu Brunner
asizange sixoxe ngale nto ngaphambili.

46:04.000 --> 46:12.030
Kodwa kum, xa kuziwa koko sinokukwenza, kusoloko
kubalulekile ukubuyela kumxholo wesidima somntu.

46:12.030 --> 46:20.040
Kuchazwe kakuhle ukuba ingcinga yentlonipho yomntu, ekwayindlela
yokucinga yoMthetho oSiseko, ivela

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kwingcinga yokuba umntu wenziwe ngemifanekiso
kaThixo, kwaye ke ngoko iphefumlelwe ngobuKrestu.

46:27.720 --> 46:31.450
Oku kuvusa ixabiso labantu ngokwalo.

46:31.450 --> 46:41.376
Kwaye kwingcinga yoKukhanyiselwa, ethi imalunga
nokuphuma komntu kubudenge abuziphathele bona.

46:41.376 --> 46:46.429
Ngaphandle kwale migaqo-siseko, akukho nto
isebenzayo kwinkqubo yethu yezomthetho, kwaye

46:46.429 --> 46:49.650
mhlawumbi phantse akukho nto isebenzayo kubomi bethu.

46:49.650 --> 46:54.410
Ngoko ke, ngokwenene kuyimfuneko
ukuba senze konke okusemandleni ethu.

46:54.410 --> 47:03.963
UMnu Sasek ukubeke kakuhle kakhulu: hlala ucela uncedo, fundisa
abanye eluntwini, abantu abasijikelezileyo

47:03.963 --> 47:11.980
ngemisebenzi yezopolitiko, iibhikisho,
amaphephancwadi, iintetho, nantoni na efunekayo.

47:11.980 --> 47:17.890
Ngamajelo eendaba asimahla,
ngokunxibelelana namajelo eendaba amakhulu.

47:17.890 --> 47:22.830
Ukuba uyaqhubeka uzama, kusenokubakho
omnye okanye ababini abanokwamkela.

47:22.830 --> 47:33.430
Kwaye ngaphezu kwako konke ngokufundisa oosopolitiki, ngokuba
basengabantu abanamkelwa ukuba bangabantu nje abangenamava.

47:33.430 --> 47:37.593
Ndicinga ukuba baninzi abangamsulwa.

47:37.593 --> 47:41.830
Kodwa mhlawumbi abangathathi nankathalo ngabantu abaziingcali.

47:41.830 --> 47:47.930
Nceda, nceda, bacacisele kwaye ubakhuthaze
ukuba benze isigqibo esisekelwe kwisazela sabo.

47:47.930 --> 47:55.717
Kwaye ekugqibeleni, qhubeka uzama kangangoko
kunokwenzeka ukuya enkundleni uze ubonise ukuba

47:55.717 --> 48:00.190
amalungelo oluntu asisiseko ayanyhashwa apha.

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Kwaye kwisenzo ngasinye, ndikholelwa nokuba ingcinga
nganye ibalulekile apha, kwaye asifuni lihlabathi elinje.

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Siya phambili ngokujonga umbono
wehlabathi elingcono elinentsikelelo nobulungisa.

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Ngenxa yoko, enkosi kakhulu.

48:32.512 --> 48:41.205
Enkosi kakhulu, Beate Pfeil. Umcibisholo wam uphinde
wacolekwa. Ayikapheli okwangoku. Oku kuphefumlela kamnandi

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emva kweCorona kuphelile. Ayiyonyani loo nto. Niyivile.

48:46.944 --> 48:54.790
Ndingaphinda nje yonke into oyithethileyo. Hamba ngamandla
onke kwimfundo. Ngako konke esinako, ngelixa sisakwazi.

48:54.790 --> 49:01.410
Emva koko siza kubona ukuba kwenzeka ntoni. Enkosi ngokuba
nathi. Sikunye. Qhubekani nisidibanisa. Qhubekani nizidibanisa.

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Mabekho abameli abaninzi, iijaji, kunye nawo onke
iintlobo zabantu, beze kwaye bazomeleze eli phambili.

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Enkosi ngobuchule bakho. Siyabudinga. Enkosi.