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"Ukungazi okanye ukunqaba kolwazi kukuba buthathaka."

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Abantu abanamandla kuba abayiqondi infektioni, okanye
abayiqondi kakuhle. Kwaye abakwazi ukubona ubuxoki.

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"Ingxaki yeyokuba izifo ezosulelayo zinokuba nengeniso
enkulu kakhulu, into leyo uninzi lwabantu lungayiqondiyo."

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Ndibamkela ngokufudumeleyo uNjingalwazi Gqr. Bhakdi
noGqr. Köhnlein kudliwanondlebe lwethu lwe-Kla.TV.

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Siyavuya ukunamkela kwakhona.

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Bobabini babengathethi kwinkomfa echasene
nokucwasa ngemixholo yezonyango ebalulekileyo.

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Kwaye nobabini nibe ngabaphambili kwiingcali ezithethileyo
ngexesha lengxaki ye-coronavirus, xa bekungekho namnye

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kuthi owayeqonda ngokwenene ukuba kwenzeka ntoni na kuthi.

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Emva koko bavela kwi-Kla.TV, ngomhla we-15 nowama-30 Matshi 2020
– kwiinkqubo eziboniswayo , kwalandela ezinye iingxoxo kamva.

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Kubabukeli abangakakazi: Gqirha Köhnlein, ungumgqirha
oyingcaphephe kwezonyango lwangaphakathi kunye

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nonyango lwezemidlalo kwaye usebenze amashumi
eminyaka njengomgqirha wangaphakathi kwikliniki yakho.

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Nk. Profesa Gqr. Bhakdi, uqeqeshe abafundi bezonyango amashumi
eminyaka njengoprofesa nesihlalo

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se-Institute of Medical Microbiology and Hygiene
kwiYunivesithi yaseJohannes Gutenberg eMainz.

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Wawungumhleli oyintloko wejounali yezonyango iMedical
Microbiology and Immunology kwaye ufumene amabhaso

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angenakubalwa ngenxa yophando lwakho, ngaloo ndlela wongeza
kwinqondisiso yethu esisiseko ngenkqubo yokhuselo lomzimba.

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Wena nomfazi wakho (Prof. Bhakdi) nipapashe incwadi entsha
kunye noGqr. Reiß enesihloko esithi: "Ukuqonda usulelo –

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endaweni yokulusaba. Iintsomi, iinkohliso kunye nenyaniso".

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Umbuzo wam wokuqala: Nkqu NguProfesa Bhakdi,
yintoni ekukhuthazileyo ukuba ubhale le ncwadi?

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Ewe, ndapapasha incwadi nomfazi
wam kwiminyaka elishumi eyadlulayo.

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Ibiziwe ngokuba "Isithunzi sezifo
ezosulelayo. Iintsomi, iinkohliso kunye nenyaniso."

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Yaye sayibhala le ncwadi ngelo xesha kuba
ndandithathe umhlalaphantsi, yaze inkosikazi yam yathi kum:

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Kufuneka ubhale phantsi iintetho zakho zoluntu jikelele.

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Yonke into abantu kweli lizwe abayifunayo
nabayidingayo ukuyazi malunga nosulelo.

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Okukuthi, inyaniso, kwaye ke ndibonise into engeyonyaniso,
okukuthi ziintsomi." Kwaye yiloo nto endiyenzileyo.

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Kwaye le ncwadi ibikwimarike iminyaka elishumi.

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Ayithengiswanga kakuhle, kodwa kulungile.

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Kodwa apho, ndinike isishwankathelo sazo zonke izifo ezosulelayo
ezibalulekileyo kweli lizwe. Nendlela yokuzithintela.

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Kutheni ezinye iibhaktheriya
neentsholongwane ziyingozi? Kutheni ezinye zingeyongozi?

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Basenza bagula njani? Kwaye singakuthintela njani oku?

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Kwaye oku kwakubandakanya ukuthetha ngesihloko sokugonywa.

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Ukuze umcimbi wokugonya usonjululwe ngokupheleleyo, kubo bonke.

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Kwaza ke i-COVID-19. Ukuze ndishwankathele:

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Emva kweminyaka emihlanu ye-COVID-19, ndaqonda ukuba oko
sasikubhalileyo kwincwadi yokuqala kwakufuneka kulungiswe.

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Kwaye ngokungxamisekileyo. Kuba ngokucacileyo
andizange ndidlulisele kuloo ndawo ulwazi oluluqilima.

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Bendiphazama. Kuba bendingazifundisanga ngokwaneleyo.

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Ndifundise esi sifundo iminyaka engaphezu kwamashumi amabini.

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Kwaye kulapho ke ndaqonda khona ukuba kukho izinto
ezisisiseko ebendingazange ndiziqonde, izinto ezazingalunganga.

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Kwaye uyazi, umama wam wayengutitshala wam wokuqala.

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Wayengugqirha. Waza wandixelela
ndisengumntwana – ndaqonda ukuba ndifuna ukuba ngugqirha.

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Wathi, "Uza kuba ngugqirha. Khumbula,
ugqirha akufuneki abesabe nto. Akukho nto."

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Yinto enye kuphela, kanye ukuba wenza impazamo.

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Ukuthetha into engeyiyo ngokunxulumene nonyango.

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Kwaye ukuba wenza lonto, kufuneka uqinisekise ukuba uyayilungisa.

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Kwaye yiyo loo nto ndaxelela umfazi wam
ukuba kufuneka siphinde sishicilele le ncwadi.

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Kwaye kufuneka siphucule ukuze
sinikeze izinga elifanelekileyo lolwazi.

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Kwaye ngelo xesha, sasiziintshumayela zakhe,
uKlaus (Gqr. Köhnlein), iintshumayela ezisondeleyo.

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Ndathi, kukho umntu apha owabonisa ukuthandabuza kwakhe ngalo
mbandela kwiminyaka engamashumi edlulileyo, kwaye uselapha.

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Kwaye ebesoloko enyanisile.
Asinakumcela mhlawumbi ukuba athi qela nathi?

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Kwaye yiloo nto eyenzekileyo. Wathi, "Ewe, kunjalo!"

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Kwaye ke ngoko ungumbhali wesithathu wale ncwadi
intsha, eyapapashwa izolo elinye elidlulileyo.

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Njengogqirha wangaphakathi, andizange ndibe
nto ingako endiyenzayo malunga nokugonya.

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Andizange ndiqale ukucinga
ngezitofu zokugonya de sabana abantwana.

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Kwaye intombi yam yokuqala yayiza kufumana
isitofu sokugonya i-BCG kwangoko emva kokuzalwa.

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Kwaye ke ndathi ngokuziva nje: Asifuni ukwenza loo nto ngoku.

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Andiyiboni ngenene ithuberculosis njengoyingozi kwintombi yam.

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Ngelo xesha, bendingazi ukuba bekukho uphando malunga nesitofu
sokugonya i-BCG apho eneneni baqhuba ulingo

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olulawulwa nge-placebo ukuvavanya isitofu sokugonya
i-BCG, nto leyo enqabileyo kwicandelo lokugonya.

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Loo nto yayise-Indiya, apho bagonya khona abantu
abaninzi baza bashiya abanye abaninzi bengagonywanga.

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Kwaye isiphumo saba sesokuba abantu abagonyiweyo babenokosulelwa
kakhulu ngumkhuhlane we-BCG kunabantu abangagonywanga.

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Oku ke kwapapashwa ngokubanzi kwi-The Lancet phantsi
kwesihloko esithi "Iindaba ezimbi ezivela eIndiya".

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Kwaye ndikholelwa ukuba kwathatha eminye iminyaka eli-13
emva koku kupapashwa phambi kokuba oogqirha bezifo zabantwana

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baseJamani bakulungele ukuyeka ukunika esi siqhuqhuva.

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Kwaye intombi yam yokuqala yayisaza kuba nayo.

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Ngethuba lesibini, ndandisele ndingxamele kakhulu,
ngoko ndabuza, kuthekani ngomthamo wokugonya we-BCG?

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Kwaphendula ngomsindo: Hayi, kudala singakwenzi oko.

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Kulungile kakhulu. Masithathe inyathelo elingasemva.

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Kangangeenkulungwane, izifo nosulelo
bezisisoyikiso esingapheliyo kuluntu.

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Kwakukho iintlupheko zezifo: iplagi, ikholera
netyhefu yezintso yayizona zizathu ziphambili zokufa.

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Emva koko, ekuqaleni kwenkulungwane
yama-20, ezi zifo ngequbuliso zehla kakhulu.

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Kwaye namhlanje, ukuqhuba imoto kuyingozi ngakumbi kunokosiba,
umzekelo, isigulana okanye kwanetetanasi eyoyikekayo.

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Kodwa uloyiko lwezifo ezosulelayo luhleli lunganciphanga,
njengoko sibonile ngexesha lobhubhane we-coronavirus.

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Ungakwazi mhlawumbi ukusixelela
okuthile malunga nokuba kutheni kunjalo?

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Ke, ingxaki yeyokuba izifo ezosulelayo, into
abantu abaninzi abangayiqondiyo, zinokuba nengeniso

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enkulu kakhulu kwaye zivelise inzuzo engummangaliso.

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Kwezifo ezosulelayo, kuhlala kubakho
imilinganiselo yee-antibodies, imilinganiselo

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yaselebhu, kunye namayeza alwa neentsholongwane.

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Kwaye yaba yiyo le ngxaki eyandizisa kulo mcimbi.

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Ngelo xesha, yayiyingxaki kaGawulayo eyayibonakala
yingozi kakhulu ngenxa yokunyangwa ngokugqithisileyo.

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Enyanisweni, yayiyintlekele nje ye-ACT ngelo xesha.

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Yayiyile dawa ilwa neentsholongwane, eyafika kwimarike
ngomlinganiselo ogqithisileyo, kunengxaki kaGawulayo ngokwayo.

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Enyanisweni, oko kwakungenxa nje yemijikelo emincinci.

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Kodwa umcimbi we-AIDS, njengoko
benditshilo, ubuyintlekele ye-ACT ikakhulu.

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Kwaye ngenxa yokuba akusenjalo, izinto ziye zathula.

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Kodwa i-CDC, abasemagunyeni bolawulo
lwezifo, zaphelelwa zizifo ngelo xesha.

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Kwaye i-AIDS yayisisiseko sokuphila, ukutsho njalo.

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Emva kwe-polio nesigonyane, akusekho nto yayiseleyo yokwenziwa.

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Kwaza ke kwabakho "i-legionnaires' pneumonia" ,
eyayigqithiswa yaze yaba yisifo esosulelayo ekungesosiso.

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Kwakungumhlangano nje wamaLegionnaires amadala, angaphilanga
kakuhle, beza kunye, besenza itheko, besela kwaye becuba kakhulu.

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Kwaye emva koko, abambalwa kubo bafumana i-pneumonia.

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Kodwa ke, i-CDC yafika yaza yafumana ibhaktheriya eyayingenaziwa
ngaphambili, yayithiya ngokufanelekileyo ngegama elithi

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"Legionella pneumophila" yaza yenza ukuba ibe sesona sizathu
sesifo seLegionnaires, nangona isizathu

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sokwenene sasisimele nje iinkqubo zokuzikhusela
zomzimba ezibuthathaka zabo bachaphazelekileyo.

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Kwaye yiloo nto ke ingxaki ngokubanzi ngezigulo
ezosulelayo: azinakusenzakalisa ngokwenene

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logama nje inkqubo yethu yokhuselo isebenza kakuhle.

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Kwaye xa ibuthathaka, kunokwenzeka into efana nale.

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Emva koko ungafumana usulelo.

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Kwaye ingakumbi kwimeko ye-AIDS, ukuba
iziyobisi ziyasetyenziswa gwenxa, ungafumana oko

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kubizwa ngokuba zosulelo oluxhamla ithuba.

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Ezi ziintlobo zezifo ozifumana kuphela xa amandla
akho omzimba okuzikhusela ezifweni esezantsi kakhulu.

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Ewe, ndingathanda ukongeza into kuloo nto.

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Ingxaki yeyokuba oonophalo abakhulu babangelwe
zizinto ezibangela izifo ezazikwazi ukosulela lula kakhulu.

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Ngokomgaqo, bekukho iindlela ezimbini kuphela
zokwenza oku: nokuba ngamanzi okanye ngomoya.

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Oku kuthetha ukuba kwimeko yokosulelwa ngomoya, kusasazwa
ukusuka komntu ukuya komnye ngokukhohlela nangokuthimla.

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Ngethuba lentsholongwane, abantu ababenayo bebesemka
kwabanye, kwaye iintsholongwane zazisasazeka kubo ngomoya.

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Iindlela nemigudu yezifo ezininzi
ezosulelayo nezibaluleke ngokwenene ngoku ziyaziwa.

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Kuyaziwa ukuba amanzi kufuneka acocwe, kwaye
yiyo loo nto kungasekho kholera. Akusekho kholera.

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Kuyaziwa ukuba xa umntu ekhohlela kwaye eneplagi,
umntu ekhohlelweyo kufuneka anikwe i-antibiotics.

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Akusekho ntlekele ke, kuba siyazi ukuba
intlekele isasazwa njani, kanye ziimpuku

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neentsiba, kwaye apho kungekho mpuku, akukho ntlekele.

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Apho kukho isifo sebhubhane namachiza
abulala iintsholongwane, isifo asinakosuleleka.

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Noko ke, oku kuthetha ukuba ngenxa yokuba iindlela
zaziwa, umntu uyazi ukuba angathintela njani into ethile.

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Kwaye olu thintelo alusoloko lubandakanya
ukugonywa, kodwa kuphela kwiimeko ezinqabileyo kakhulu.

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Ndingathanda ukucacisa into enye:

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Akunjalo ukuba, ngenxa yokuba i-tetanus sele
ingaxhaphakanga kangako apha, umzekelo, ayiyingozi.

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I-tetanus isengingozi kanye njengoko
yayinjalo kwiminyaka eyi-100 eyadlulayo.

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Kuyingozi ngokufanayo. Kwaye xa
kusenzeka, abantu basemngciphekweni.

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Ngoko ke, ngoku ndifika kumxholo obaluleke kakhulu, owona
kukugonya. Kutheni bekufuneka siphinde siqwalasele kangaka?

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Kuba ndiye ndaqonda ndokuba iintsika ezintathu
ekufuneka isindululo sokugonya sisekelwe kuzo – phambi kokuba

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isindululo sokugonya senziwe – zezi: Okokuqala, imfuneko.

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Kufuneka nini kanye ukugonywa? Xa isifo sinokubulala ngokwenene.

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Ukuba isifo asibulali, akukho mfuneko
yokugonya. Kwaye ke kufuneka usiyeke.

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Intsika enye akufuneki ibe yantywila.
Intsika yesibini kukusebenza kakuhle.

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Ukusebenza kuthetha ukuba inani labantu abagula
kakhulu nabaswelekileyo kufuneka lehliswe kakhulu.

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Ngoku khawufan' ucinge sinosulelo olungabangeli kufa.

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Okanye kancinci kakhulu kangangokuba
akukho nciphiso lunokufezekiswa kwaphela.

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Umzekelo – i-measles ngumzekelo olungileyo kakhulu, kaloku –
abantu abasweleka nge-measles kwixesha

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elidlulileyo basweleka ngenxa yezizathu
ezifanayo nabantu ababesweleka ngenxa yomkhuhlane.

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Babethwele iintsholongwane. Yayingumthwalo-ntsholongwane
ophindwe-phindwe owawubulala abantu.

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Kodwa olu bhubhane lweentsholongwane
lunokunyangwa ngokufanelekileyo kakhulu namhlanje.

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Kwaye seso isizathu sokuba, ngokomgaqo, kungabikho kufa kwabantu
abane-measles abanonyango olufanelekileyo nabantu abasempilweni

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abaneenkqubo zokuzikhusela zomzimba eziqhelekileyo.

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Yiloo nto ke kungenakwenzeka ukulinganisa iinzuzo.

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Kwaye apho kungekho nzuzo, kukho umngcipheko kuphela.

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Kwaye kusoloko kukho umngcipheko xa uthatha isitofu. Soloko.

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Kuba, njengoko watshoyo uKlaus, ezi zitofu zokugonya
aziyonto inye, kodwa zisoloko ziyindibanisela yezinto ezininzi,

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kwaye le ndibanisela isoloko iqulathe izinto ezinokuba yingozi.

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Kwaye nabani na okhanyelayo oku, ngokomgaqo,
kufuneka akhutshwe kwangoko kwimeko esemthethweni .

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Akavumelekanga ukuba anike
iingcebiso okanye enze iingcebiso zokugonya.

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Kuba ukuba akukho ncedo, kwaye ndithi ukuba intsikelelo ingekho,
nge-coronavirus, njengoko sisazi namhlanje kwaye njengoko

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sele kuqinisekisiwe, umngcipheko wokufa kubantu abangaphantsi
kweminyaka engama-65 phantse ungabikho. Phantse ungabikho.

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Ukuba inzuzo ingekho, ke umngcipheko ngamnye, nokuba ngowona
kunye nezigidi ezizizigidi okanye owona kunye

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nezigidi ezizigidigidi, xa wahlulwe ngenani
elingekhoyo, ufikelela kwinani elingenasiphelo.

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NdingumThai. Ewe, ndiyifundile eso esikolweni.

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Nantoni na yahlulwe ngenani elingekhoyo iba yinto engapheliyo.

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Ngoko ke umlinganiselo wengozi
nenzuzo awunamda. Kwaye oko akwamkelekanga.

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Ke. Ukusebenza kufuneka kubonakaliswe, kwaye njengoko uKlaus
etshilo kwaye njengoko nathi sasicacisa encwadini,

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ukusebenza kunokubonakaliswa kuphela ukuba unamanani
okusweleka kwabantu abagonyiweyo nabangagonywanga.

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Kwaye la manani akakho kuso nasiphi na
isitofu sokugonya ehlabathini – kuso nasiphi na.

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Ngoku masibuyele kumcimbi wokulingana ngokomlinganiselo.

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Akukho tetanus apha. Kodwa ndingakuxelela ukuba
kwiLizwe lesithathu, e-Afrika, naseThailand, ikhona i-tetanus.

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Kwaye ndandiseThailand kwisikhululo sokugonya itetanasi,
ndaza ndabona abantu besifa kabuhlungu ngenxa yetetanasi.

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Isifo sesibini esinokuxhamla kwisitofu sokugonya yirabies.

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Kwaye ndithetha oku kuba kufanele kucace ukuba mna
naye, kunye nomfazi wam, asilapha njengabachasi bokugonywa.

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Asichasi ukugonya, kodwa sithi ukugonya kunentsingiselo
ngokwenene xa kukho imfuneko yako, kuba amazinga okubulala

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nokufa aphezulu ngokumangalisayo – itetanisi ingaphezu
kwama-50 ekhulwini, umntu wesibini ngamnye onetetanisi uza kufa.

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I-rabies iphantse ibe yingozi engummangaliso namhlanje.
Oku kuthetha ukuba nabani na one-rabies uza kufa ukuba

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akukho nto yenziwayo ngayo, kwaye akukho nyango liyafumanekayo.

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Enyanisweni, isitofu sokugonya siyafumaneka
apha, kuzo zombini. Kwaye esi sitofu sisebenza.

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Kwaye yiloo nto esiyibalisayo nesiyicacisayo kwincwadi yethu.

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Ukuze kucace kumntu wonke xa ukugonywa kuncebisa – ewe.

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Hayi nje kuphela, kodwa siyayicebisa ngentliziyo yethu
yonke, kuba inokuhlangula ubomi – kwaye, ngokwenene, kufuneka.

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Ukuba ugqirha akazi ukuba i-tetanus iyagonywa –
kwaye, ngaphezu kwako konke, akazi ukuba kugonywa njani.

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Kwaye apha, njengoko kucacisiwe encwadini,
akukho kugonya kuphela njengoko kwenziwa apha,

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ngesitofu esivuselela ukuveliswa kwezichasanyango.

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Kukwakho nento eyaziwa ngokuba kukugonya okungathanga
ngqo. Oku kubandakanya ukunikezela ngezilwa-mzimba

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ezenziwe kwangaphambili ezisuka kubantu abagonyiweyo.

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Kwaye la ma-antibodies ayafumaneka kwi-tetanus
nakwi-rabies. Kwaye ayasebenza, ngenene ayasebenza!

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Kwaye ezi zinto azinazo iziphumo
ezibi ezimandundu kuba zicocekile.

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Zii-antibodies ezisulungekileyo, akukho zongezo.

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Ngoko ke, bendifuna ukwenza kucace gca ukuba
andichasi ukugonywa, kodwa ndithi umlinganiselo

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wengozi nezinto eziluncedo kufuneka ube yinyani.

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Unikezela ngezahluko ezisixhenxe zencwadi yakho kumxholo
wokugonya, okuthi ngokubanzi kuthathelwe njengolona

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phumelelo lukhulu nesona sixhobo sinamandla sokulwa nosulelo.

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Usele ukuthethile ngale nto. Kwaye abo baxhasa ukugonya
baza kuxoxa ngelithi zonke izifo ezosulelayo ziyancipha.

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Akubobungqina obo bokuba isitofu siyayisebenza?

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Ewe, le yingongoma ebalulekileyo, endandifuna nokuyithetha.

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Emva kokuphanda ngomba wokugonya, ndafumana
incwadi kaMnu. Buchwald, enesihloko esilula

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nesikhumbulekayo esithi "Vaccination – The Business of Fear".

18:11.834 --> 18:18.056
Kwaye uBuchwald wenze umsebenzi olula
kakhulu nolukhumbulekayo kakhulu apha.

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Wayezoba yonke idatha yezibalo efumanekayo kwi-Ofisi
yeZibalo kaRhulumente malunga nezifo ezosulelayo,

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aze ahlale ephawula umhla wokugonya ngaphezulu kwayo.

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Kwaye ke kwacaca gca ukuba kuso sonke isifo esosulelayo, ukuhla
okukhulu kwezi zifo kususela kwimeko yokuba kwakusoloko kusenzeka

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ixesha elide phambi kokuba kuqaliswe ukugonya abantu abaninzi.

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Oku kubonisa ngamandla ukuba ukuncipha kwezifo
ezosulelayo akubangelwanga yimpembelelo

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yokugonya, kodwa kunoko kubangelwe ngamanye amanyathelo.

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Kwaye yiyo lonto nje indlela yokuphila
engcono esinayo kwixesha lasemva kwemfazwe.

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Ungabona kwakhona ngokucacileyo ukuba isifo
sephepha sakhula saza sehla njani ngeminyaka yemfazwe.

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Ngoko ke oku kunxulumene nenyani yokuba abantu babesifa
yindlala, besithwele ziqhwa kwaye bephila kwiimeko

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ezimbi, nto leyo eyavumela izifo ezosulelayo ukuba zisasazeke.

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Iimeko zokuphila zazigqiba, iimeko zokuphila.

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Ewe.

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Kwaye ishishini lamachiza lithi kokunye.
Lithi sinale meko intle kuba siyagonya.

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Kodwa iinkcukacha-manani ziyaphikisa oku ngokucacileyo, kwaye ke
ngoko le ngxoxo, esoloko isetyenziswa ngabanye, ethi

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abo bachasa izitofu okanye abazigxekayo bangabantu
abangazihoyiyo uluntu abasola abanye, eneneni ayinasiseko.

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Ngaphezu kwako konke, ngoku sesibone ngokugonywa
kwe-coronavirus ukuba kwakungekho konke ukhuselo kwabanye,

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ngoko ke le ntetho ibisoloko isasazwa ayinasiseko kwaphela.

19:53.321 --> 19:56.108
Injongo yokugonya kukuvelisa izilwa-mzimba.

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Oko kufanele kube bubungqina bokuba isitofu sokusebenza.

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Yiloo nto abantu abayithethayo.

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Ewe, ingaba yiyo noko leyo ingongoma
ebalulekileyo xa kuziwa kukhuselo lomzimba?

20:03.848 --> 20:12.663
Hayi, ewe kunjalo bubudenge ukutsho
ukuba yonke into isekelwe kwii-antibodies.

20:12.663 --> 20:17.913
Zintoni ii-antibodies? Zisebenza njani? Kwaye
inkqubo yokhuselo lomzimba isebenza njani ngokubanzi?

20:17.913 --> 20:24.889
Akukho mntu uyaziyo, kuba kunqabile
kakhulu ukuba kufundiswe kumayeza.

20:24.889 --> 20:32.186
Oogqirha baba ngoogqirha bengafundi
ulwazi olusisiseko lwe-immunology.

20:32.186 --> 20:37.897
Ngenxa yokuba bendifundisa esi sifundo ukusuka ekuqaleni ukuya
esiphelweni iminyaka engaphezu kwama-20, abafundi

20:37.897 --> 20:44.524
baseMainz kwakufuneka bazi lukhulu kakhulu,
kungenjalo ngebengephumelelanga uviwo. Nabo babesazi loo nto.

20:44.524 --> 20:51.060
Hayi, kukho amahlakani nemiqolo eyahlukeneyo
yenkqubo yokhuselo lomzimba, kwaye siyichazile yonke.

20:51.060 --> 20:53.654
Azininzi, kodwa kufuneka uzazi.

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Zii-antibodies, emva koko zizii-cells, ii-lymphocytes .

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Kwaye ukuthetha ngokubanzi, izilwa-mzimba zisebenza kuphela
nxamnye neetyhefu kuba iityhefu zincinci

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kwaye nezilwa-mzimba nazo zincinci, kwaye
izilwa-mzimba ziyakwazi ukuzibamba iityhefu xa zikho.

21:14.285 --> 21:19.800
Okungukuthi, iityhefu ezikwegazi, kuba
ii-antibodies zifumaneka kakhulu egazini.

21:19.800 --> 21:24.810
Ngoko ke, isebenza kuphela xa ityhefu ithuthwa ngegazi.

21:24.810 --> 21:30.083
Umzekelo, ityhefu eveliswa yibhaktheriya ye-tetanasi.

21:30.083 --> 21:36.067
Kwaye kulapho ke apho ii-antibodies zinokubamba zize zimise, nto
leyo ethetha ukuba ziyakwazi ukunqumamisa zize zingayi phambili.

21:36.067 --> 21:44.935
Kungenjalo, izilwa-mzimba zingakwazi
ukunqanda iintsholongwane kuphela xa zikweligazi.

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Nangona kunjalo, iintsholongwane ezininzi zingena
emzimbeni ngempumlo, kwiindlela zokuphefumla okanye emathunjini.

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Kwaye yiyo loo nto kungekho ndlela yokukhusela ngokwenene
ulusu olungaphakathi lweemiphunga, iibronchi, iimiphunga

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ngokwazo kunye nesixokelelwano sokwetyisa ukutya ngokugonya.

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Yiyo loo nto, njengoko ndatsho kwiminyaka emihlanu eyadlulayo,
bantu, akunantsingiselo kwaphela ukuzama

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ukugonya isifo esosulela imiphunga xa izilwa-mzimba
ziveliswa egazini kuba zikwelinye icala lodonga.

22:20.950 --> 22:24.348
Awunakuyinqanda, kwaye ngoku siyazi ukuba kunjalo.

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Ukuba esi siqhulo asinakuze sithintele usulelo.

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Ewe. Isitofu sokugonya umkhuhlane esaziswe
nguJens Spahn okwangoku sixoxwa kwakhona.

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Naphaya, kubonakala ngathi
ii-antibodies azinegalelo likhulu ekukhuseleni.

22:42.145 --> 22:50.263
Ewe, sikwakhankanyile loo nto
encwadini. Sele isaziwa iminyaka engama-50.

22:50.263 --> 22:55.177
Kukho abantu abangakwaziyo kwaphela
ukuvelisa ii-antibodies. Esi sisiphene semfuza.

22:55.177 --> 23:01.620
Kwaye kwakusaziwa ukuba aba bantu bafumana
imfiva-nkweba ngesiqhelo kwaye bahlala

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baphila ngesiqhelo njengabanye abantu bonke.

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Abafi. Kwaye abaguli kakhulu. Hayi tu.

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Kwaye obo bubungqina, isalathiso esicacileyo
sokuba ziilymphocytes, iiseli ezimhlophe zegazi,

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ezinoxanduva lokutshabalalisa usulelo lweviral.

23:24.960 --> 23:33.685
Ewe, kwaye ezi seli zegazi ezimhlophe
azilinganiswa. Uyaqonda? Ngenxa yesitofu sokugonya.

23:33.685 --> 23:44.341
Kuba kunzima kakhulu, kwaye ngaphandle koko, akuyi kuba
luncedo, kuba bahlala bekhona. Leyo yenye into esiyixelela bona.

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Ngokuphathelele iintsholongwane, ezi seli zegazi ezimhlophe
azibhekiswanga kwintsholongwane enye, kodwa

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endaweni yoko ziyaziqonda uhlobo
lwentsholongwane kunye nosapho lwayo lonke ngaxeshanye.

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Yiyo loo nto ke sikhuselwe. Okukhona sidibana neentsholongwane
ezahlukeneyo sisengabantwana, kokukhona ukhuselo lwethu luyanda.

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Yiyo loo nto yonke le ntswele-buhlungu malunga
nokuthintela izifo ezosulelayo ebantwaneni kufuneka ipheliswe.

24:14.099 --> 24:19.506
Kwaye kutheni ucinga ukuba olu gonyo
lunyanzelekileyo lwaziswa ngokukodwa ukulwa imfiva yamawele?

24:19.506 --> 24:28.475
Andazi. Ndikrokrela ukuba ibinguvavanyo lokubona ukuba
uluntu luya kusabela njani kugonyo olunyanzelekileyo.

24:28.475 --> 24:33.506
Kuba ukugonywa okunyanzelekileyo nxamnye
ne-coronavirus nako kuye kwaxoxwa ngako kamva.

24:33.506 --> 24:35.112
Loo nto yayisele icwangcisiwe.

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Mhlawumbi loo nto yayisele icwangcisiwe.
Yayiluhlobo lovavanyo ngesinyanzeliso sokugonywa

24:39.163 --> 24:41.327
kwesigulana – into eyayingeyomfuneko kwaphela.

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Ngoko ke, njengoko benditshilo, njengoko uSucharit esele
etshilo, kwakungekho zifungo zomkhuhlane ngexesha elo.

24:48.341 --> 24:50.803
Amanani osulelo nawo ayephantsi ngokungaqhelekanga.

24:50.803 --> 24:56.097
Ngoko ke, isizathu sokuba kutheni i-measles, kuzo
zonke izinto, ifuneke ngequbuliso ngokunyanzeliswa

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asizange sichazwe kwaphela. Kwaye ayizange ibe nantsingiselo.

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Ewe, ngaloo ndlela, lo mthetho ngokwenene
uzibethe emlenzeni, kuba ekugqibeleni iingcali

25:04.643 --> 25:07.185
ezingabuchule zenza zonke iintlobo zezinto...

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Uxolo, zintoni iingcali ezingabuchwephesha?

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Abo bazibiza ngokuba ziingcali.

25:13.444 --> 25:22.419
Hayi, hayi, hayi. Abazibizi ngamagama
ezikhundla, babizwa baze bamiselwe njengeengcali, ewe.

25:22.419 --> 25:28.388
Kukho i-ajenda emva kwako konke oku.
Kwaye le ajenda iyacwangciswa ngokwenene.

25:28.388 --> 25:35.669
Abacebisi abakho kweli lizwe;
bakwindawo ethile ekude ngasentshona.

25:35.669 --> 25:46.677
Kodwa olu cwangciso sele luthatha iminyaka eli-10,
iminyaka engama-25, ucwangciso lokuqhambuka kwale coronavirus.

25:46.677 --> 25:53.723
Incwadi kaPaul Schreyer kufanele ngokwenene ifundwe
ngumntu wonke. Kubo bonke iintatheli. Kumntu wonke.

25:53.723 --> 26:02.138
Kwaye nakwabo bafuna ukuba ngabapholitiki. Konke bekucwangcisiwe.

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Kwaye kucace gca ukuba ngo-2019, le ngxaki
yecoronavirus yayisele iphantse yacwangciswa ngokupheleleyo.

26:13.138 --> 26:26.929
Kwakukho umdlalo wokulinganisa ngo-Okthobha
ka-2019. Kwaye ke, intsholongwane yayikho.

26:26.929 --> 26:29.263
Kuba le ntsholongwane ivela elebhu, njengoko ngoku sisazi .

26:29.263 --> 26:39.872
Nabani na ongayaziyo le nto ngokuqinisekileyo kufuneka
avalelwe kwithala leencwadi aze anyanzelwe ukuba afunde.

26:39.872 --> 26:50.193
Kuba konke bekucwangcisiwe. I-Moderna ibisele inezigidi
ezili-100 zeedosi zomthamo wokugonya ekhutshwayo ngo-2019.

26:50.193 --> 27:03.279
Baza bathi, bantu, siza kuba needosi
zeyibhiliyoni kunyaka ozayo. Singakwazi ukuyenza.

27:04.779 --> 27:11.108
Umyalezo ubungukuba kukhululwe intsholongwane
ekuloo nto uluntu lwalungenayo inkqubo yokuzikhusela.

27:11.108 --> 27:17.990
Ewe. Kodwa yinto engenantsingiselo leyo, akunjalo?
Asikokuba siphantsi kolawulo olupheleleyo lwentsholongwane.

27:17.990 --> 27:21.968
Ewe, yiyo loo nto sinxiba iimaski kwaye sigcina umgama.

27:21.968 --> 27:27.857
Zizo kuphela ezo zinto zazisikwazi ukusikhusela –
nto leyo yayiyintetho engenantsingiselo kwaphela.

27:27.857 --> 27:32.560
Sibone ukuba bekukho ukhuselo lomzimba olusisiseko olugqwesileyo.

27:32.560 --> 27:44.301
Babengazi ukuba ukhuseleko kwii-coronaviruses kuhlala
kubanzi. Kuba ii-coronaviruses zikho kuyo yonke indawo.

27:44.301 --> 27:52.099
Kwaye xa umntwana eqala enasari, uyagula qho
emva kweenyanga ezimbalwa kunyaka wakhe wokuqala.

27:52.099 --> 27:58.345
Ezi zikwibalasane zeekoronavayirasi. Kwaye
inkqubo yokhuselo lomzimba iyazilolwa ngalo

27:58.345 --> 28:02.724
lonke usulelo, ize yomelele ngakumbi nangakumbi.

28:02.724 --> 28:06.918
Ndiye ndabona ubhubhane we-coronavirus kumsebenzi wam wokunyanga.

28:06.918 --> 28:12.864
Nami bendifuna ukuyiva loo nto, kwaye yafika novavanyo.

28:12.864 --> 28:17.654
Ngethuba kuvela uvavanyo, kwabakho isiphithiphithi.

28:17.654 --> 28:22.841
Abantu bangena kwigumbi lokuxilongela
bezibhija-bhija – kodwa babengenangxaki.

28:22.841 --> 28:26.725
Bafunyaniswe benentsholongwane ye-corona
kwaye baziva ngathi abakwazi kuphefumla.

28:26.725 --> 28:31.577
Kwakufuneka nje ndithethe nabo okwethutyana ndize
ndibacacisele ukuba banendawo eyaneleyo yokuphefumla.

28:31.577 --> 28:35.130
Baye baphefumla ngokukhawuleza. Kwaye ke kwaphinda kuthoba.

28:35.130 --> 28:40.638
Kwakukho nezigulana ezazinentsholongwane
ye-COVID-19. Kodwa oko kwafihlwa luvavanyo.

28:40.638 --> 28:43.832
Ndiye ndazithathela ithuba lokujonga ngakumbi
ukuze ndibone ukuba yintoni kanye kanye ingxaki

28:43.832 --> 28:46.150
yabo. Ngoko ke, ngokwenene babesokola ukuphefumla.

28:46.150 --> 28:50.147
Omnye wayene-pneumonia ye-chlamydia
, omnye wayene-pulmonary embolism.

28:50.147 --> 28:59.985
Owesithathu wayenesifo sepapayi esifuna ikortisone.

28:59.985 --> 29:10.322
Kwakukho izizathu ezahluke kakhulu. Kodwa zonke ziye
zavunywa phantsi kovavanyo lwe-coronavirus, masithi.

29:10.322 --> 29:11.548
Ukunqikelelwa gwenxa.

29:11.548 --> 29:20.174
Ewe, ukuxilongwa gwenxa. Lowo unepneumonia
ye-chlamydia ngokuqinisekileyo ngeengazukuvuya nge-cortisone.

29:20.174 --> 29:24.736
Kwimeko ye-exogenous allergic alveolitis
, ikortisone ibiyeyona nyango ilungileyo.

29:24.736 --> 29:28.306
Kodwa ukwahlulahlula izifo ngokugcweleyo kuyatyeshelwa.

29:28.306 --> 29:34.200
Ewe, bekumnandi kakhulu ukubona
kudliwanondlebe nogqirha wezifo zamaphaphu ochaze inkqubela

29:34.200 --> 29:38.010
yaso, othe emva koko wasifumana naye eso sifo.

29:38.010 --> 29:43.060
Kwaye uNksk. Maischberger wasitsho wathi: "Ninikele
lukhulu, naza nani nalufumana. Sixeleleni ngako."

29:43.060 --> 29:50.414
Waza wachaza inkqubela eqhelekileyo yenyumoniya ye-pneumococcal
waza wafikelela kwisigqibo sokuba into ayenamava yona

29:50.414 --> 29:54.816
yayingumzekelo ongqhelekanga kakhulu wenyumoniya ye-coronavirus.

29:54.816 --> 30:02.934
Bebexakekile kakhulu ngelo xesha, bajolise kuphela kule
uvavanyo lwe-coronavirus baza bathi luya kugqiba yonke into.

30:02.934 --> 30:06.129
I-influenza yanyamalala ngelo xesha linye.

30:06.129 --> 30:11.559
Enyanisweni iphantse yaphela kuba
akusekho mntu uvavanya umkhuhlane.

30:11.559 --> 30:17.065
Ndiye ndatsalela umnxeba ugqirha wam waselebhu ndambuza,
"Ndixelele, ngaba kusekho umntu ovavanya i-influenza?"

30:17.065 --> 30:23.020
Uthi, "Hayi, nguwe kuphela ngamanye amaxesha." Ngoko
ke loo nto yicala elicacileyo lokukhetha kuvavanyo .

30:23.020 --> 30:27.965
Ngaphandle kwale uvavanyo, besingayi kuyibona le
ngculaleko. Ndikwabuze nabo abasebenzisana nam abaliqela:

30:27.965 --> 30:32.860
Ndixelele, ucinga ukuba besiya kuqaphela
nantoni na ukuba besingayenzanga le uvavanyo?

30:32.860 --> 30:38.769
UNjingalwazi Allersberger wase-Austria uthe wavumelana
nam wathi: "Hayi, ngokuqinisekileyo besingazukubona nto."

30:38.769 --> 30:42.649
Kodwa oogxa bam bathi, "Ewe, ubabonile bonke abantu abafileyo."

30:42.649 --> 30:47.289
Kwaye ke ndaziva ndingazozami kwaphela.
"Ingaba sele kufile abantu abaninzi phantsi kwakho?"

30:47.289 --> 30:51.605
Hayi, hayi kwindawo yam, kodwa uzibonile iifoto zaseBergamo?

30:51.605 --> 30:54.824
Konke kwaphelela kwimifanekiso evela eBergamo.

30:54.824 --> 31:02.092
Oku kusasaze uloyiko kwaza kwenza abantu bathobele.

31:02.092 --> 31:08.160
Kodwa ngoku, uTom Lausen, umzekelo, uye apho waza
wabala abafileyo, kuba abafileyo babekhona ngokwenene.

31:08.160 --> 31:10.879
Ngoko ke, ucinga ukuba yintoni imbangela? Kutheni abantu bafa?

31:10.879 --> 31:16.426
Ewe, ndakwenza oko – ndivuswe yimiba ye-AIDS
nonyango olugqithisileyo, ngokwendalo ndakhawuleza

31:16.426 --> 31:20.035
ndazibuza – bayinyanga njani izigulana ze-coronavirus?

31:20.035 --> 31:24.376
Kwaye ndakhawuleza ndayifumana le nto
bendiyifuna. E-China, baye banyanga izigulana nge-cortisone,

31:24.376 --> 31:26.780
i-steroids kunye namachiza alwa neentsholongwane.

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Ayizange izibonakalise, kusithiwe kanye ngaphezulu kwayo.

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Xa ndisiva ukuba into ayikazibonakalelisi,
ndiphulaphula kakhulu. Loo nto idla ngokuthetha

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ukuba yenzile umonakalo ongaphezulu kunokulungileyo.

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Kwaye ndathatha elo thuba ndabhala ileta kuhleli
wejenali yethu yezonyango yesiJamani, ndiphendula inqaku

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elinesihloko esithi: "Akukabikho nyango lwenyanga ye-corona."

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Ndaza ndabhala: Ngokwesi sitetimenti, ndiyazibuza
ukuba luhlobo luni lweziyobisi ezibonakala

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zisetyenziselwa unyango ngaphandle kovavanyo kwaphela.

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Kwaye zonke ezi yayingamalungiselelo
awayenempembelelo yokucinezela inkqubo yokhuselo

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lomzimba, ngokungaphantsi okanye ngokugqithisileyo.

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Kwaye kwimeko yomfanekiso wesigulo ofana nomkhuhlane, okanye
obunomkhuhlane kancinci, mhlawumbi andinazifuni naziphi na kwezi

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zinto, kuba ngokuqinisekileyo azincedi kwinkqubo yokuphila.

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Kwaye ngenene bayipapasha loo leta.
Kodwa umbhalo waqhubeka nangona kunjalo.

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Kwaye ke kwalandela ezo zifundo ze-WHO ngomhla woku-1 ku-Epreli,
ezathi ngokwenene zibonisa ukwanda okukhulu kokusweleka.

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Kwaye oko kwakungenxa yento eyayiyiqulathe, i-hydroxychloroquine,
leyo ngokuqinisekileyo ilungile kakhulu xa isetyenziswe

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ngomlinganiselo ophantsi kwaye inokusebenza
kakhulu ekunyangeni usulelo lwe-viral kuba

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inciphisa kancinci iintlungu zamalungu omzimba.

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Kodwa inomlinganiselo wonyango omncinci kakhulu, kwaye
yayicetyiswa apho kumanani awayebulala ngokupheleleyo – ibangela

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ukungadibani kwentliziyo, kwanokudideka kwezihlunu zentliziyo.

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Oku kwaphawulwa ngokukhawuleza, kakade, kwaza kwamiswa kwangoko,
ngoko ke kwabakho incopho enye kuphela – ngamanye

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amazwi, umgca wonyuko wanyuka umgama omde
ngeentsuku ezili-14 emva kokuqala kwale mizamo yokuphanda.

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Ngoko ke ungathumela abatshutshisi apho uze ubaskele ukuba bacele
iirekhodi zezigulana zabo baphathwe ngomhla woku-1 ku-Epreli.

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Ngokuqinisekileyo babezokufumana oko bekukhangela
naphi na apho kwakusenzeka olu lwelo lwamafuza.

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Ezi yayiyiLondon, iParis, izixeko ezikhulu,
iikomkhulu eziphambili apho kwakukho

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izibhedlele eziphambili zeeyunivesithi, kunye neMadrid.

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Ewe, neNew York kananjalo, kodwa ayifanelanga neYurophu.

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Kodwa oko, ewe, sele kwenziwe phaya kuphando lwe-WHO,
kwaye ngokuqinisekileyo naseNew Zealand nase-Australia.

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Kodwa oku kuninzi kokusweleka kudale uloyiko.

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Akukho mntu ukholelwayo ukuba izigulana zifela ngenxa yonyango;
ngokwendalo, bakholelwa ukuba zifela ngenxa yesi sifo sibucayi.

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Kwaye yiyo loo nto i-coronavirus ngequbuliso yafumana
udumo lokuba yingozi ngokuphindwe kalishumi kune-influenza.

33:59.677 --> 34:07.463
Ewe. Ewe, sinenkqubo enomdla kakhulu kwi-Kla.TV ngale nto apho
unokubona abantu, umzekelo, ababeyinyangwa e-Itali, bafumana

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unyango olungachanekanga kwaphela, basweleka ngobuninzi,
kwaye phantse kungekho mntu uphumayo esibhedlele ephilile .

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Ewe, kwaye ke kwavela ingxaki yezindululo
zococeko lokuthintela ubhubhane ezithi

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izigulana kungakuhle ukuba zifakwe i-intubation .

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Kwaye iremdesivir.

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Kwaye i-remdesivir, iyeza eliyingozi kakhulu nelichasene
neentsholongwane, elibonakala ngathi liyaveliswa phantsi

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kwelayisensi eBergamo – njengoko kufumaniswe nguTom Lausen.

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Ngoko ke, kwakukho imigama emifutshane
ukusuka kumenzi ukuya kwikhaya labalupheleyo.

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Ngoko ke, izigulana ezilapho kusenokwenzeka
ukuba zonke bezifumene i-remdesivir eyaneleyo.

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Asitsho ukuthi babulawile...

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Kuyo nayiphi na imeko, ayizange incede ekuchacheni.

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Ngaphandle kwe-SARS-CoV-2, esele ithethwe ngayo
ngokubanzi kwaye abaninzi kubabukeli bethu bayayazi.

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Nangona kunjalo, kukho ezinye izifo
apho ukuxilongwa kungacaci kangako.

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Ubhala... Encwadini yakho, unecandelo elihle malunga
ne-hepatitis C. Ungasixelela okungakumbi ngaloo nto?

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Ewe, i-hepatitis C, masithi, iye yazincamathelisa kwi-HIV.

35:20.449 --> 35:24.590
Kufuneka ndicacise ngokufutshane
ngovavanyo lwezilwanyana olwenzekileyo.

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Bekukho i-hepatitis engeyiyo i-A okanye i-B,
ebiyi-hepatitis yasemva kokufakelwa kwegazi, kwaye

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ibingosuleliyo, kodwa ibivelela emva kokufakelwa kwegazi.

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Ngoko ke oku kusenokuba ibe sisiphumo esinxulumene nokhuselo
lomzimba, seso sizathu abaguli baba tyheli okwethutyana.

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Kodwa iingcali ze-virus zazisebenza kwaye zacinga
ukuba isenokuba yintsholongwane engekafunyanwa.

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Baza bayifuna ngokufaka igazi lezigulana ezine-hepatitis
engeyiyo i-A okanye i-B kwiinkawu, baze bagcine

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isilwanyana esisetyenziswa njengesilawuli kwigumbi elahlukileyo.

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Yiloo nto yayiyisetingi yovavanyo. Ngoko ke, eneneni, bekufanele
ukuba bafake inani elilinganayo lezinkawu legazi elivela kumntu

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ophilileyo ukuze bakwazi ukususa ezi ziphumo ze-immunological.

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Ewe, ezi nkawu zifakwe igazi azibangelwanga kukugula.

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Zakha zaba ne-enzymes zesibindi
ezinyukileyo kancinci okwethutyana, zaza zabulawa.

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Nesibindi besiphilile, abafumananga nto.

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Kodwa ke, zeza le ndlela ze-PCR ezinesisombululo esiphezulu,
kwaye ngazo, bafumana iifragments ezazibonakala ngathi azikho

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kwikhowudi yemfuza yesilwanyana
esivavanywayo, baza bagqiba kwelokuba oku kusenokuba

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yintsholongwane ebezigcinile ezi zilwanyana.

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Kwaye ke kwenziwa i-antibody eyilwa nayo, i-HCV antibody.

36:44.390 --> 36:49.413
Kwaye ke yaba yinto ethengiswayo. Kwenzeka
nje ukuba umlawuli waseTshayina

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wayene-hepatitis, ngoko ke yaphakanyiswa yaza yathengiswa.

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Benze i-antigen. Ngoko ke bathathe la maqhekeza e-gene
njengetemplate yeprotheyini, njengomzobo wokuqala we-antigen.

37:10.388 --> 37:19.920
Kwaye basebenzisa i-antigen ukukhuthaza
i-antibodies kwizilwanyana ezingezinye.

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Kwaye ke baphuhlisa uvavanyo lokufumana ezi zithinteli-mzimba
ebantwini. Olu lolo vavanyo lokufumana izithinteli-mzimba.

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Nangona kunjalo, ukufunyanwa kwe-antibody kujolise
kwisixhobo sokwakha esakhiwe ngokwe-blueprint eqikelelwayo.

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Kwaye ke baza behamba nalo uvavanyo, bevavanya abantu
ukubona ukuba ngubani onamaxhasi omzimba alwa nalo.

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Kwaye nabani na onayo le nto
une-hepatitis C. Loo nto yayiyinkcazelo, akunjalo?

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Nokuba ababonisi zimpawu zekliniki, ezifana nokuba mthubi?

37:58.209 --> 38:02.664
Ewe, besele sinalo eli xesha lokufumba
kwe-AIDS, apho bekukho nezigulana ezisempilweni

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ezavavanywa zafunyanwa zinazo izilwa-mzimba.

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Babexelelwa ukuba uza kufa emva konyaka – emva koko ixesha
lokuvela kwezimpawu landa kancinci, laza laba yiminyaka elishumi

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– nge-hepatitis C, babengasifeli kwaphela, laza
laba ngama-30 eminyaka – emva koko ubuya kufumana

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umhlaza wesibindi okanye i-cirrhosis yesibindi.

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Kwaye ukuqinisekisa ukuba awuyifumani, kufuneka
uqale ukuthatha unyango lwethu oluchasene

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ne-antiviral ngoku, oluxabisa i-£10,000 ngepakethe nganye.

38:28.043 --> 38:34.220
Kwaye isebenza ngolu hlobo. Abaguli, kwaye
abazukuphinda bagule ngenxa yonyango, kuba isixa

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saso asisaxhwantyelwanga kakhulu njengakuqala.

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I-Hepatitis C yayinyangwa
nge-interferon kunye namadosi aphezulu e-ribavirin.

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Abantu badinwa kwaphela baza bagula unyaka wonke, bafumana
ukuphelelwa kwegazi okukhulu, baza emva koko kwanyanzeleka

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ukuba bachache kuko, ngoko ke kwacaca ukuba kufuneka
kutshintshe into, ubuncinci ukuze unyango lube luncinci ityhefu.

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Kodwa eneneni, bekusoloko kusisisizathu esivakalayo
sokungaphathi iingxaki zesibindi ngamayeza, kuba

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loo nto isoloko inetyhefu kwisibindi ngandlela ithile.

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Kwaye kule mihla, abantu bayazibuza – bendisandul' ukuba kwesinye
isimpo sezesiba – ukuba kutheni inani le-liver cell carcinomas

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linganciphi nangona kukho ukuncipha
okusebenzayo komthwalo weentsholongwane.

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Enyanisweni, kubonakala ngathi liyenyuka kancinci.

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Impendulo elula yeyokuba into enye ayinanto yakwenza nenye.

39:22.524 --> 39:28.565
Bonke abantu abasebenzisa iziyobisi bafunyaniswe benentsholongwane
ye-hepatitis C, kodwa banesizathu esahlukileyo.

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Iziyobisi zabo zibangela ingxaki yokutheleleka
kwesibindi. Kanye njengabantu abasela utywala.

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Ukuba utsho loo nto kwinkomfa yesibindi, kuthetha
ukuba utywala yinto ebaluleke kakhulu edlala

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indima. Ngoko ke ayisebenzi ngaphandle kotywala nayo.

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Ngoko ke, eneneni, izigulana ezine-HCV
eziba neengxaki, ngokomthetho, zifunyanwa

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ngamabona-ndenzile ukuba ziziseleyo zotywala.

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Ewe. Ngoko ke loo nto iphinda ibhekisele
kwinzuzo yonyango engangqineki kwaphela.

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Kwaye akaboni umonakalo.

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Kwaye akayiboni ingozi, ewe. Incwadi yakho
ijongana kakhulu neengozi ezibonwayo neziyinyani.

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Ngoko ke uhlala uthelekisa apho; ukhankanye le mitshe mithathu.

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Ngokubanzi, zizigqibo zendlela yokuphila. Ukhankanye abantu
abasela utywala kakhulu, kodwa ezinye izinto

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ezixhaphake kakhulu, ezifana nokutyeba kakhulu nokutshaya,
ngokwezibalo zibaluleke kakhulu kunezo zifo zosulelayo ngoku.

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Babhala uluhlu apho, kwaye izifo ezosulelayo
zikwindawo yesihlanu kuphela phakathi kwezizathu zokufa.

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Kutheni ke amaziko anjengeRobert Koch Institute engacacisi ukuba
abantu bazuza kakhulu ngokuzigcina baphilile nokukhuthaza oku?

40:37.628 --> 40:46.335
Kwaye endaweni yoko, batyhalela iimvavanyo kunye
nokugonywa okukwindawo ephantsi kuhlalutyo lomngcipheko nenzuzo.

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Ngaba ngoku ndingayibeka ithesisi yam
malunga neklasi elawulayo nobukhoboka?

40:58.228 --> 41:09.100
Uluntu lwethu lonke lwakhiwe kwinkoliso yoburhulumente...
Ewe, luluntu olwakhiwe kwinkoliso yoburhulumente.

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Kwaye ndafunda into ebhalwe
nguRainer Mausfeld eyandichukumisa kakhulu.

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URainer Mausfeld, umbhali wethu omkhulu weembali
(enyanisweni: ingcali yengqondo) waseKiel, ubhale wathi:

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Ubukapitali nentando yesininzi azihambelani.

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Kuba ubukapitali bukhokelela ekubeni
abantu bathathe izinto kwabanye abantu.

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Bafuna ukwanelisa ukubawa kwabo, ngokomgaqo.

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Kwaye ubuganga, isimo somntu ekunzima ukusibamba, bukhokelela
abazizityebi ekubeni bafune ukuba zizityebi ngakumbi nangakumbi.

41:52.463 --> 41:56.456
Kwaye ukuze benjenjalo, kufuneka bathathe
okuninzi ngakumbi kubantu abangamahlwempu.

41:56.456 --> 42:02.431
Kwaye sifikelele kwindawo apho ngoku kufuneka
bathathe yonke into kwihlabathi lonke ukuze

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bagcine isikhundla sabo njengababusi behlabathi.

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Kwaye into abayenzayo kukusisusa ubuntu
bethu, izakhono zethu njengabantu, baze

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basenze bahlawulele izibonelelo zethu ngokwethu.

42:20.779 --> 42:32.229
Kule meko, izitofu zokugonya, amayeza azibulala
thina ngokwethu. Loo nto yingcinga ephambeneyo.

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Kufuneka ndikhuphe oku entliziyweni yam ngoku, kuba
ndikubonile ndaza ndafikelela kwesi sigqibo ngokufunda

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iincwadi ezahlukeneyo ngembali, ezopolitiko nezomnotho.

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Kwaye wonke umntu endithethe naye kule nkalo kule minyaka
idlulileyo, kubonakala kunokwenzeka kakhulu, kakhulu, ukuba abo

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banamandla – kwaye abakho eJamani, bakwindawo ethile eNtshona –
bafumanise inkalo yam, inkalo yam, izifo ezosulelayo,

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njengesixhobo esikhethekileyo, esitsha, esinamandla, esona
sixhobo sinamandla kakhulu ehlabathini sokomeleza ulawulo lwabo.

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Kuba ngalezi, banezenzululwazi zabo, iingcali,
kwaye ngoku banayo i-WHO. Konke kukwindawo enye.

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Kwaye i-WHO ngoku inikwa amandla ngabantu
baseJamani naseYurophu, amandla okwenza nantoni na

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abayifunayo. Kwaye yile nto abayenzayo ngoku.

43:54.772 --> 44:02.711
Banganakho ukubhengeza ubhubhane nanini na
befuna, kwaye ngaloo nto banganakho – nanini na

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befuna – ukuyalela amanyathelo ekufuneka alandelwe.

44:08.000 --> 44:14.960
Kuyohlwaywa ngumthetho ukuba awukwenzi
oko, isohlwayo, esona sohlwayo sibi.

44:14.960 --> 44:25.860
Kwaye esi sixhobo sisebenzisa ukungazi
kwabantu, kuba ulwazi ngamandla, ngelixa

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ukungazi okanye ukunqongophala kolwazi kukulusizi.

44:33.288 --> 44:43.826
Abantu abanamandla kuba abayiqondi ingxaki yokosuleleka,
okanye abayiqondi kakuhle. Kwaye abakwazi ukubona ubuxoki.

44:43.826 --> 44:50.646
Kwaye bayasilela nokubona ukuba ezi ntsomi
zifakelwe kuyo eyona ntsomi imbi kakhulu kulo lonke

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ixesha, okuyintsomi malunga neegesi ezisekelwe kwimfuza.

44:55.868 --> 45:06.036
Ewe, andizukuthetha lukhulu, kodwa ndingatsho ukuba enye
yeenjongo eziphambili zolu dliwano-ndlebe kukutsala umdla wabantu

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bam endibathandayo bonke kwinyaniso yokuba ngokwenene siyiphatha
le ngongoma encwadini ngendlela yokuba zonke izihloko

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zijongwane ngendlela umntu wonke onengqondo eqhelekileyo
anokuyiqonda. Konke kubhalwe ngendlela elula kakhulu.

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Benze umsebenzi obalaseleyo.

45:27.333 --> 45:38.737
Saza sathi, ukuba isahluko esinye kule ncwadi sifanele ukufundwa
ngabo bonke iintatheli, ngabo bonke oogqirha, ngabo bonke

45:38.737 --> 45:50.609
amagqwetha – ndiza kubashiya ngaphandle oosopolitiki okwangoku,
oko kusenokungabi nantsingiselo – ngoko ke seso isahluko sinye,

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sineemphepha ezisibhozo kuphela, esimalunga nokugonywa okusekelwe
kwijini – owona mngcipheko mkhulu kuluntu lwexesha lonke.

46:02.949 --> 46:13.900
Emva koko ndathetha noMnu Kopp, waza wakhawuleza wathi "ewe", esi
sahluko esimalunga "nokugonywa okusekelwe kwimfuza"

46:13.900 --> 46:25.484
singanikezelwa ngokwahlukileyo kwiwebhusayithi ukuze sikhutshelwe
simahla nawuphi na umntu ehlabathini onokufunda isiJamani.

46:25.484 --> 46:33.832
Yaye yiloo nto eyenzekileyo. Ngoko ke, kangangeentsuku ezimbini
ngoku, ubunethuba lokufunda esi sahluko simahla. Akukhokhi

46:33.832 --> 46:38.392
nto; ekuphela kwento ekufuneka uyityalile liyure enye yokufunda.

46:38.392 --> 46:42.933
Kwaye awuzukufuna ngaphezu kweyure
ukwenza amaphepha asibhozo. Kulula ngolo hlobo.

46:42.933 --> 46:54.815
Oku kukunika ithuba mhlawumbi elikhethekileyo
lokuma uze uzikhusele wena nabo ubathandayo.

46:54.815 --> 47:04.042
Kuba konke ekufuneka nikwenzile kukuthi nithi "hayi" ngelizwi
linye, nithintele oosopolitiki ekunikezeni i-WHO eli gunya!

47:04.042 --> 47:10.304
Kwaye ukuba bayenza lonto, uthi
"hayi" kunjalo kwaye uthi asizukuyenza.

47:10.304 --> 47:17.802
Jonga indlela osohlwaya ngayo izigidi
zethu. Kuba nabo abakwazi ukwenza lonto.

47:17.802 --> 47:24.853
Ngoko ke nam ndayiqonda intsingiselo yale ncwadi iphela, ethi
kukuguqula abantu abaye benziwa bangenakwenza ezabo izigqibo babe

47:24.853 --> 47:31.292
ngabemi abanoxanduva, ukuze, ubuncinci ngokubanzi, baqonde ukuba
yintoni izifo ezosulelayo, zithini iindlela zokulwa

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nazo, kufuneka zilinganiswe njani, kwaye
kulungiswe njani ubudlelwane obufanelekileyo kwasekuqaleni.

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Bendicinga ukuba oko kwenziwe kakuhle kakhulu kwincwadi yakhe.

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Ukutsho kananjalo nalapho ukuba
isayensi yinkxaso ekwenzeni izigqibo.

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Asinguye uThixo omtsha. Asiyongqikithi
yenkolo, eyayenzelwe yona ngokuyinxenye.

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Ukuba le nto kuthiwa yingcali inokuthi ke ibhengeze
into abantu ekufuneka beyenzile nento ekungafanelanga

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bayenze ukuze bangafi. Kwaye ungabona ukuba ayiyonyani.

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Kodwa kufuneka ndiphinde oko ukhankanyileyo.

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Kuyinyani ukuba sifela kwisifo
sentliziyo nemithambo yegazi kunye nomhlaza.

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Kwaye izifo ezosulelayo azidlali ndima kakhulu kwizibalo zokufa.

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Okuchaseneyo kuhlala kusasazwa, ngokungathi
izifo ezosulelayo sesona sisongelo sethu sikhulu.

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Ngoku kugxininiswe ngakumbi ngenxa ye-coronavirus.

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Kodwa nyaka ngamnye, kugxininiswa kwakhona ukuba ukufa
ngenxa yomkhuhlane kusondele – kusoloko kukho izihlwele

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ezingama-30,000 ezifela ngenxa yomkhuhlane ekufuneka ziluselwe.

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Ukuba uqwalasela ngokusondeleyo,
akukho nanye kwezo zinto eyinyani.

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Endaweni yoko, ezi 30,000 okanye 40,000 zikwabela nje
umahluko phakathi kokusweleka ehlotyeni nokusweleka ebusika.

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Ngaso nasiphi na isizathu, abantu abaninzi bayasweleka ebusika.

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Yaye nantoni na eseleyo emva koku kuchithwa, ibalwa nje
njengezifo zomkhuhlane ukuze kuphinde kukhuthazwe ukugonywa.

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Kwaye ukuba ujonga kwi-Robert Koch Institute ukuze ubone ukuba
bangaphi abantu abasweleka ngenxa yomkhuhlane – kwaye umkhuhlane

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sisifo ekufuneka sinikwe ingxelo ngaso, ngoko ke amanani
anokuthenjwa kakhulu – ufumana inani elinamanani amathathu.

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Ngoko ke, phantse akukho mntu usweleka ngenxa yomkhuhlane.

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Ngoko ke, isibhengezo senziwe, siyaphindaphindwa
ngalo lonke ixesha: yenza isitofu sekhondo, kuba

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kungenjalo abantu abangama-30,000 baza kusweleka.

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Sithi kukusweleka okuqhelekileyo nokusweleka
okungenanto yakwenza nezinye izifo okunokwenene

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kunxulunyaniswa nomkhuhlane, okungama-300, 400, into enjalo?

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100 ukuya kuma-200 – ngesizini nganye. Ewe.

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Kodwa umntu kufuneka aqonde nokuba esi siqholo
senflu, ukusebenza kwaso kumiselwa

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ngokulinganisa izilwa-mzimba, asinantsingiselo konke konke.

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Lo mlinganiselo mbi ngokwawo awunciphi kangako.

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Ewe, ndithetha ukuthi, ukusebenza kwayo kuthiwa
kungange-50 pesenti, kushukuma phakathi kwe-40

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ne-60 pesenti. Yiyekeni, bantu. Akuyonto leyo.

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Akunakugonya izigidi zabantu ngesitofu
esinokuba yingozi ukuze kufikelelwe ekunciphiseni

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impendulo yamajoni omzimba nge-50 pesenti. Uphambene?

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Ndihlala ndibona izigulana ezifumana umkhuhlane
emva kokufumana isitofu sokuthintela umkhuhlane.

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Ewe kunjalo.

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Kodwa yile ndlela endiva ngayo xa ndimxelela, "Unomkhuhlane."

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Hayi, Gqirha, akunakwenzeka oko. Ndifakwe
isitofu sokugonya. Kumele ukuba yinto yona.

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Ewe. Ngoko ke, sinokushwankathela nje.

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Encwadini yakho, ubhala ukuba usulelo lunokuba
yingozi. Kodwa akayonto iqhelekileyo na kule mihla?

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Hayi ngesiqhelo.

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Hayi, akusoloko kunjalo. Kukho nje le nto yenzwa ngabom
yokothusa abantu ngamapolotiki kunye namajelo eendaba.

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Bathi kungenxa yezizathu
zobukapitali, kodwa mhlawumbi zikho ezinye.

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INzululwazi eneneni sisikhokelo.

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Ubuyisela loo nto phambili, ukuba sifanele
siziphengulule izinto ngokunzulu nangokugqibeleleyo.

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Loo nto ithi yintoni ebalulekileyo nento engebalulekanga.

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Akufanelanga umntu agqamise
iinyaniso ezithile aze alibale ezinye.

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Ukuba akufanelanga wenze intaba
ngembombo, kwaye wenze imbombo ibe yintaba.

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Kwaye abantu kufuneka kwakhona bakwazi
ukwenza ezabo izigqibo benolwazi olwaneleyo.

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Ekupheleni kwesahluko ngasinye malunga nokugonya,
bahlala becela wonke umntu ukuba azifundise aze enze esakhe

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isigqibo, kwaye ukunyanzeliswa akufanelanga kusetyenziswe.

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Kuba, njengoko usitsho, sisixhobo sabo basegunyeni.

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Ingaba ikhona enye into ongathanda
ukuyithetha kubabukeli phambi kokuba sigqibe?

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Ngaphandle, ewe, kwesindululo sokuba uthenge incwadi yakho.

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Oko kubhalwe kakuhle kakhulu, kulula ngokwenene ukuba kuqondwe.

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Ndikwazile ukuyiqonda kakuhle kakhulu
kwiintsuku nje ezimbalwa. Bekuyintokozo ukuyifunda.

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Kodwa kufuneka nditsho ngenyaniso, andifuni
ukuba le ibe yinkqubo yokuthengisa iincwadi, ewe.

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Asizibhalanga le ncwadi ukuze abantu
abaninzi kangangoko banokwenzeka bayithenge.

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Siyibhalile ukuze abantu abaninzi
kangangoko kunokwenzeka bafunde le ncwadi.

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Indlela onokuyifumana ngayo le ncwadi
kuxhomekeke kuwe. Akunyanzelekanga ukuba uyithenge.

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Kodwa kufuneka ubuze, kumathala
eencwadi umzekelo, xa ufuna ukuboleka incwadi.

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Kwaye into esiyithemba ngenene yeyokuba le ncwadi iza kukwatsala
umdla kwezinye iinkalo zomsebenzi,

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njengootitshala – ootitshala babaluleke kakhulu kweli
lizwe, kufuneka bazi ngakumbi ngezifo, ngokwenene.

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Kuba le nto bayenzayo ngoku ezikolweni, okanye abayenzileyo,
ayinankathalo kubantwana bethu. Loo nto ayamkelekanga.

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Kwaye ukukholelwa nje kuyo yonke into ephuma kwisebe
likarhulumente elithile okanye igunya akuyondlela

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eya kwikamva elinethemba. Elo likamva elingenathemba.

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Besifuna ukunika ithemba. Kwaye ngale ncwadi, besifuna
ukunika wena ulwazi, ukubeka amandla ezandleni zakho.

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Indlela yokufikelela kulawulo –
kufuneka nje ufunde incwadi, kuphelele apho.

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Kwaye nceda, funda ubuncinci isahluko esingahlawulelwayo.

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Ngapha koko, mhlawumbi ilizwi elinye
lokugqibela. Sikumbutho obizwa ngokuba yi-MWGFD.

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Kwaye lo mbutho yindibano, umbutho weengcali
zezonyango nezenzululwazi, bonke abathetha isiJamani.

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Kwaye sizinikele – yonke into yenziwa
ngokuzithandela, akukho namnye kuthi ofumana nto ngayo.

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Kwaye bangoogqirha nezazinzulu abagqwesileyo kakhulu.

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Yena (uGqr. Köhnlein) ukwabandakanyekile iminyaka.

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Saseka saza simisela iZiko lePatholoji
lika-Arne Burckhardt. Wayekwangumlungu wombutho wethu.

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Kwaye uyazi ukuba wenza umsebenzi wovulindlela.

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Umsebenzi ngoku ngesiquphe ubonwa
kumazwe ngamazwe. Yonke le nto ivela eJamani.

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Xa uArne Burckhardt waswelekayo, sasikwimeko enzima.

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Asikwazanga ukwenza naziphi na ezinye iimvavanyo zepatoloji.

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Kodwa simise elinye ilebhu ngenjongo yale nto,
ebizwa ngokuba yi-"Institute for Molecular Diagnostics".

54:29.966 --> 54:35.138
Kwaye ikwaphathwa ngamalungu ombutho wethu.

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Ngoko ke, umbutho wethu wawuyi-arhente engenzi
ngeniso ekuqaleni, kodwa kunyaka olandelayo,

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ngo-2021, isimo sethu sokungabi nenzuzo sathatyathwa.

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Oku kuthetha ukuba asikwazi ukunika iirisithi
zeminikelo. Lo mbutho uxhomekeke kwiminikelo.

54:51.897 --> 55:00.429
Singavuya kakhulu ukuba ningacinga ngokwenza
umnikelo kumbutho nakwi-Inmodia Institute .

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Yiloo nto endenza ndonwabe kakhulu.

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Enkosi kakhulu ngomsebenzi wakho kule ncwadi ibalaseleyo!

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Ewe, enkosi kakhulu kwakhona ngodliwano-ndlebe.

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Ndiyathemba ukuba iya kusasazwa kakhulu!

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Sala kakuhle.

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Ewe, enkosi! Sala kakuhle.

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I-Kla.TV idinga uncedo lwakho! Sebenzisa
i-share function engezantsi kwe-programme.

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Itemplate ye-imeyile egqityiweyo ikunceda ufikelele kwisangqa
sakho sabamkeli abasondeleyo. Ngaphandle kwezithintelo zespam.

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Igalelo lam ekutshintsheni ihlabathi
ngokucofa kanye nje. Akukaze kube lula kangaka.