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"Ukungazi noma ukuntuleka kolwazi kuwukungabi namandla."

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Abantu abanamandla ngoba abaqondi izifo, noma abangazi kahle
ngokwanele. Futhi abakwazi ukubona iqiniso ngale kokukhohlisa.

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"Inkinga ukuthi izifo ezithathelana ngomzimba
zingaba nzuzo enkulu kakhulu, okungaziwa abantu abaningi."

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Ngiyamukela ngokufudumele uProfesa Gqr.
Bhakdi noGqr. Köhnlein engxoxweni yethu ye-Kla.TV.

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Siyajabula ukukwamukela futhi.

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Bobabili babengakhulumi engqungqutheleni yokulwa
nokuvinjelwa kokukhuluma ngezihloko ezibalulekile kwezokwelapha.

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Futhi nina bobabili naba nochwepheshe bokuqala ukukhuluma
ngesikhathi senhlekelele ye-coronavirus, lapho kungekho noyedwa

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kithi owayekwazi ngempela ukuqonda okwakwenzeka ezungezile.

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Bavele kamuva ku-Kla.TV, ngomhlaka 15 nango-30 Mashi 2020 –
ezinhlelweni eziboniswe , kwalandela ezinye izingxoxo kamuva.

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Kubabukeli abangakakwazi ngawe okwamanje: Dkt. Köhnlein,
unguchwepheshe kwezokwelapha kwangaphakathi kanye

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nezokwelapha kwezemidlalo futhi usebenze iminyaka eminingi
njengodokotela wangaphakathi empilweni yakho yomsebenzi.

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Prof. Dr. Bhakdi, uselolonga abafundi bezokwelapha iminyaka
eminingi njengoprofesa nesihlalo se-Institute of Medical

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Microbiology and Hygiene eNyuvesi yaseJohannes Gutenberg eMainz.

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Wawuyinhloko yomhleli wejenali yezokwelapha iMedical Microbiology
and Immunology futhi uthole imiklomelo eminingi kakhulu

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ngomsebenzi wakho wocwaningo, ngaleyo ndlela wandisa
ukuqonda kwethu okuyisisekelo ngesistimu yokuzivikela komzimba.

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Wena nomkakho (Prof. Bhakdi) nipapashe incwadi entsha noDkt.
Reiß enesihloko esithi: "Ukuqonda ukutheleleka – esikhundleni

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sokukwesaba. Izinganekwane, amaphupho angamanga neqiniso".

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Umbuzo wami wokuqala: Profesa Bhakdi,
yini ekugqugquzele ukuthi ubhale le ncwadi?

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Ngempela, ngashicilela incwadi
nomkami eminyakeni eyishumi edlule.

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Kwabizwa ngokuthi "Isithunzi sezinhlobo
zokutheleleka. Izinganekwane, amaphupho angamanga neqiniso."

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Futhi ngaleso sikhathi sabhala incwadi ngoba
ngangithathe umhlalaphansi, nomkami wangitshela:

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Kufanele ubhale phansi izinkulumo zakho zomphakathi jikelele.

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Konke abantu kuleli abakufunayo nalokho
abakudingayo ukwazi mayelana nezifo zokutheleleka.

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Okungukuthi, iqiniso, bese ukhomba lokho okungeyona
iqiniso, okungukuthi izinganekwane. Futhi yilokho engikwenzile.

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Futhi le ncwadi yayisemakethe iminyaka eyishumi.

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Akuzange kuthengiswe kahle, kodwa kulungile.

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Kodwa lapho nginikeze isifinyezo sazo zonke izifo
ezithathelana ezibalulekile kuleli. Indlela yokuzivimbela.

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Kungani amanye amabhaktheriya namagciwane
eyingozi? Kungani amanye engabi yingozi?

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Basenza sibe nesifo kanjani? Futhi singavimbela kanjani lokhu?

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Futhi lokhu kwakuphoqelekile ukuthi
kufake phakathi ukubhekana nodaba lokugoma.

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Ukuze udaba lokugoma lulungiswe ngokuphelele kubo bonke.

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Kwabe sekuza i-COVID-19. Futhi ukuze ngifingqe indaba ende:

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Ngemva kweminyaka emihlanu ye-COVID-19, ngaqaphela ukuthi
okwabhalwe kithi encwadini yokuqala kwakudingeka kubuyekezwe.

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Futhi ngokuphuthuma. Ngoba ngokusobala
angizange ngidlulisele ulwazi oluqinile ngempela lapho.

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Bengiphutha. Ngoba angizange ngizifundise ngokwanele.

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Ngifundise lesi sifundo iminyaka engaphezu kwengu-20.

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Futhi ngaleso sikhathi ngaqaphela ukuthi kwakukhona
izinto eziyisisekelo engangingazazi, izinto ezingalungile.

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Futhi uyazi, umama wami wayenguthisha wami wokuqala.

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Wayengudokotela. Wangitshela ngisemncane –
ngangazi ukuthi ngifuna ukuba udokotela.

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Wathi, "Uzoba udokotela. Khumbula,
udokotela akufanele abe nesaba lutho. Lutho."

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Kukhona into eyodwa kuphela, ukuthi wenza iphutha.

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Ukusho okuthile okungalungile
maqondana nokwelashwa kwezokwelapha.

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Futhi uma wenza lokho, kufanele uqinisekise ukuthi uyakulungisa.

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Futhi yilokho engikutshele umkami
ukuthi kumele siphinde sikhiphe le ncwadi.

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Futhi sidinga ukwenza izithuthukisi
ukuze kunikezwe izinga elifanele lolwazi.

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Futhi ngaleso sikhathi sasiyizihlobo zakhe,
uKlaus (uDkt. Köhnlein), izihlobo ezisondelene.

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Ngathi, kunomuntu lapha owaveza ukungabaza kwakhe
ngalesi sihloko emashumini eminyaka edlule, futhi usalapha.

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Futhi uhlale elungile.
Asingamcele yini ukuthi ahlanganyele nathi?

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Futhi yilokho okwenzekile. Wathi, "Yebo, impela!"

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Ngakho-ke ungumbhali wesithathu wencwadi
entsha, eyashicilelwa izolo ngaphambi kwesho.

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Njengodokotela wangaphakathi,
angizange ngibe nomsebenzi omningi wokugoma.

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Angizange ngiqale ngempela ukucabanga
ngemijovo yokugoma kuze kube sekuba nezingane.

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Futhi indodakazi yami yokuqala yayizothola
umjovo we-BCG ngokushesha ngemva kokuzalwa.

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Kwathi-ke ngazizwa ngaphakathi
ngathi: Asifuni ukwenza lokho manje.

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Angiboni ngempela i-tuberculosis njengengozi kwendodakazi yami.

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Ngaleso sikhathi, bengingazi ukuthi bekukhona ucwaningo ngomjovo
we-BCG lapho empeleni benza khona isivivinyo

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esilawulwa nge-placebo ukuhlola umjovo
we-BCG, okuyinto engavamile emkhakheni wokugoma.

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Lokho kwakuseNdiya, lapho bagonyela khona inani elikhulu
labantu futhi bashiya inani elikhulu labantu bengagonyelwanga.

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Futhi umphumela waba ukuthi iqembu labantu abagonyelwe lalina
izifo ze-tuberculosis ze-BCG eziningi kunalabo abangagonyelwanga.

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Lokhu kamuva kwashicilelwa kabanzi kuThe Lancet
ngesihloko esithi "Izindaba Ezimbi Ezivela eNdiya".

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Futhi ngikholelwa ukuthi kwathatha eminye iminyaka eyishumi
nantathu ngemuva kokushicilelwa kwalokhu

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ngaphambi kokuba odokotela bezingane
baseJalimane bazimisele ukuyeka ukunikeza le mjekelo.

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Futhi indodakazi yami yokuqala yayisazoyithola.

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Ngesikhathi sesibili, ngangisephenduke ngibe nokugxeka
okwengeziwe, ngakho ngabuza, kuthiwani ngomjovo we-BCG?

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Kwaphendula ngokuzonda okukhulu:
Cha, asikakwenzi lokho isikhathi eside.

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Kuhle kakhulu. Masibuyele emuva.

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Izinkulungwane zeminyaka, izifo
nezinsongo zibe yisithunzi kubantu.

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Kwaba nezifo ezisabalele: iphlaga, ikholera
netuberculosis kwakuyizimbangela ezinkulu zokufa.

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Khona-ke, ekuqaleni kwekhulu lama-20,
lezi zifo zehla ngokushesha okukhulu.

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Futhi namuhla, ukushayela imoto kuyingozi kakhulu kunokutholwa
isifo se-measles noma ngisho ne-tetanus esesabekayo.

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Kodwa ukwesaba izifo ezithathelana abantu kusamile,
njengoba sibonile ngesikhathi sobhubhane we-coronavirus.

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Ungasitshela mhlawumbe okuthile ngokuthi kungani kunjalo?

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Inkinga ithi izifo ezithathelana, abantu
abaningi abangazi, zingaba nzuzo enkulu kakhulu

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futhi zikhiqize inzuzo engaphezu kwengqondo.

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Ezifweni ezithathelana, kuhlala kunezilinganiso
zamasosha omzimba, kunezilinganiso zaselebhorethri,

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futhi namuhla kunezidakamizwa ezilwa namagciwane.

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Futhi yilowo mbono owangenza ngavela esigcawini.

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Ngaleso sikhathi, kwakuyinkinga ye-AIDS eyayibonakala
iyingozi kakhulu ngenxa yokwelashwa ngokweqile okukhulu.

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Empeleni, ngaleso sikhathi kwakuyinhlekelele ye-ACT nje.

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Kwakuyileli muthi wokulwa namagciwane, owafika emakethe
ngokweqile kunokuba kuxazululwe inkinga ye-AIDS uqobo.

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Lokho empeleni kwakubangelwa kuphela yiziyindilinga ezincane.

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Kodwa udaba lwe-AIDS, njengoba
ngishilo, kwakuyinhlekelele enkulu ye-ACT.

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Futhi njengoba lokho sekungasekho, izinto sezithule.

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Kodwa i-CDC, iziphathimandla zokulawula
izifo, zaphotha izifo ngaleso sikhathi.

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Futhi i-AIDS yayiyintambo yokusinda, uma kungathiwa kanjalo.

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Ngemva kwe-polio nesifo sempuphu,
kwakungekho lutho olusele ukwenza.

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Kwabe sekukhona "i-legionnaires' pneumonia" , eyakhuliswa
ngokweqile yaba yisifo esisabalele kodwa empeleni ingesiyo.

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Kwakuyiqoqo nje labalwela-mbuso asebekhulile,
abaningi babo abangaphilanga kahle, behlangana ndawonye,

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bejabulela, besela utshwala futhi beshaya ugwayi kakhulu.

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Kanti kamuva, abambalwa babo bathola i-pneumonia.

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Kodwa-ke i-CDC yafika yathola ibhaktheriya eyayingakaze yaziwe
ngaphambilini, yamibiza ngokufanele ngokuthi "Legionella

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pneumophila" futhi yenza ukuthi ibe isimbangela somkhuhlane
we-Legionnaires, nakuba imbangela yangempela

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kwakuwukuthi izinhlelo zokuzivikela zomzimba
zabantu abathintekile zazibuthakathaka nje.

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Futhi yilokho ngokuvamile okuyinkinga yezifo
ezithathelana: azikwazi ngempela ukusilimaza inqobo nje uma

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uhlelo lwethu lokuzivikela lomzimba lusebenza kahle.

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Futhi lapho kuba buthakathaka,
okuthile okufana nalokhu kungase kwenzeke.

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Khona-ke ungathola izifo.

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Futhi ikakhulukazi uma kukhulunywa nge-AIDS,
uma izidakamizwa zisetshenziswa kabi,

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ungathola okwaziwa ngokuthi izifo ezisebenzisa ithuba.

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Lezi yizifo ozithola kuphela lapho amandla akho
okuvikela umzimba esezinga eliphansi kakhulu.

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Yebo, ngithanda ukwengeza okuthile kulokho.

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Inkinga ithi izifo ezinkulu zasabalala ngenxa
yamagciwane ayekwazi ukusabalala kalula kakhulu.

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Ngokomgomo, kwakukhona kuphela izindlela
ezimbili zokwenza lokhu: noma ngamanzi noma ngomoya.

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Lokhu kusho ukuthi uma kusatshalaliswa emoyeni,
kudluliselwa kumuntu kumuntu ngokukhohlela nangokuthimeka.

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Ngesikhathi kwakukhona i-plague, abantu abane-plague
bakhwehlela abanye, kwathi amagciwane asabalala emoyeni.

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Izinqubo nezindlela zokutheleleka kwezifo
eziningi ezibaluleke ngempela manje sezaziwa.

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Kuyaziwa ukuthi amanzi kumele alashwe,
yingakho sekungekho kholera. Sekungekho kholera.

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Kuyaziwa ukuthi uma umuntu ekhohlela futhi eneplaga,
khona-ke umuntu okhohlelwe kuye kumele anikezwe ama-antibiotics.

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Manje sekungasekho isifo seplague, ngoba siyazi ukuthi isifo
seplague sidluliselwa kanjani, okungukuthi

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ngamagundane namagundane amancane, futhi
lapho kungekho magundane, akukho isifo seplague.

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Lapho kunesifo seplague namaphilisi okulwa
nezifo, isifo seplague asikwazi ukudluliselwa.

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Nokho, lokhu kusho ukuthi ngenxa yokuthi izindlela
sezaziwa, umuntu uyazi ukuthi angavimbela kanjani okuthile.

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Futhi lokhu kuvimbela akusihlali kuhilela
ukugonywa, kodwa kuphela ezimweni ezingavamile.

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Ngithanda ukwenza into eyodwa icace:

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Akunjalo ukuthi, ngoba i-tetanus isiba
yinto engavamile lapha, isibonelo, ayiyingozi.

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I-tetanus isengozini ngokufanayo namuhla
njengoba yayinjalo eminyakeni eyikhulu edlule.

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Kuyingozi ngokufanayo. Futhi lapho kwenzeka, abantu basengozini.

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Ngakho-ke, manje ngifika endabeni ebaluleke kakhulu,
okungukuthi ukugoma. Kungani kwadingeka sibuyekeze kangaka?

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Ngoba ngabona mathupha ukuthi izinsika ezintathu
okufanele isincomo sokugoma sisekelwe kuzo – ngaphambi kokuba

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senziwe isincomo sokugoma – yilezi: Okokuqala, isidingo.

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Kudingeka nini ngempela ukugoma?
Lapho isifo siyingozi ngempela empilweni.

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Uma isifo singasongeli ukuphila,
akudingeki ukugoma. Futhi kufanele usishiye nje.

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Isigxobo esisodwa akufanele sibe
singekho. Isigxobo sesibili ukusebenza kahle.

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Ukusebenza kahle kusho ukuthi inani labantu
abagulayo kakhulu nalabashonile kumele lehliswe kakhulu.

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Manje cabanga ukuthi sinokutheleleka okungabangeli ukufa.

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Noma kuncane kangangokuba akwenzeki nhlobo ukunciphisa.

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Isibonelo – umkhuhlane wengane isibonelo esihle kakhulu,
ngendlela – abantu abashona ngomkhuhlane

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wengane esikhathini esedlule bashona ngezizathu
ezifanayo nalabo abashona ngomkhuhlane we-influenza.

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Babethwele amagciwane. Kwakuyisifo
esengeziwe esibangelwa amagciwane esababulala abantu.

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Kodwa lesi sifo esengeziwe sabagciwane
singelashwa ngempumelelo kakhulu namuhla.

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Futhi yingakho, ngokomgomo, kungekho ukufa ngenxa yomkhuhlane
wama-measles kubantu abathola ukunakekelwa

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kwezempilo okuhle nabantu abanempilo
abanezizukulwane zokuzivikela zomzimba ezijwayelekile.

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Yingakho-ke kungekho ndlela yokukala izinzuzo.

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Futhi lapho kungekho nzuzo, kunengozi kuphela.

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Futhi kuhlale kuneingozi lapho uthola
umjovo wokugoma. Ngesikhathi sonke.

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Ngoba, njengoba uKlaus esho, lezi zitofu zokugoma aziyona into
eyodwa kuphela, kodwa zihlala ziyinhlanganisela yezinto eziningi,

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futhi le nhlanganisela ihlale iqukethe izinto ezingaba yingozi.

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Futhi noma ubani ophika lokhu, ngokomgomo,
kufanele ngokushesha angabi semthethweni .

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Akamvunyelwe ukunikeza izeluleko noma ukwenza izincomo zokugoma.

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Ngoba uma kungekho nzuzo, futhi ngithi uma inzuzo ingu-zero,
nge-coronavirus, njengoba sazi namuhla futhi

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njengoba sekusunguliwe, ingozi yokufa kubantu abangaphansi
kweminyaka engu-65 cishe ingu-zero. Cishe ingu-zero.

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Uma inzuzo ingu-zero, khona-ke yonke ingozi, noma
ingu-ngu-yodwa kwizigidi noma eyodwa

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kwizigidigidi, uma ihlukaniswa ngu-zero, iba ingenamkhawulo.

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NginguThai. Yebo, ngifunde lokho esikoleni.

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Noma yini ehlukaniswe ngo-zero ayinamkhawulo.

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Khona-ke isilinganiso sengcuphe nenzuzo
asinamkhawulo. Futhi lokho akwamukeleki.

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Ngakho-ke. Ukusebenza kumele kufakazelwe, futhi njengoba uKlaus
esho futhi njengoba nathi sichaze encwadini,

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ukusebenza kungafakazelwa kuphela uma
unamanani okufa kwabantu abagonyiwe nabangagonywanga.

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Futhi lezi zinombolo azikho kunoma yiluphi
uhlobo lokugoma emhlabeni – kunoma yiluphi.

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Manje ake sibuyele endabeni yokulingana.

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Akukho tetanus lapha. Kodwa ngingakutshela ukuthi
eMhlabeni Wesithathu, e-Afrika, eThailand, kukhona i-tetanus.

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Futhi ngangiseThailand ekliniki yokugoma
i-tetanus, ngabona abantu besifa kabi ngenxa ye-tetanus.

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Isifo sesibili esingazuza ekugonyweni yi-rabies.

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Futhi ngisho lokhu ngoba kufanele kucace ukuthi
mina naye nomkami asisilo abaphikisi bokugoma.

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Asiphikisi ukugoma, kodwa sithi ukugoma kunengqondo ngempela
lapho kudingeka khona, ngoba izinga lokubulala

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nelokufa liphezulu kakhulu – i-tetanus
ingaphezu kuka-50%, umuntu wesibili onetetanus uyofa.

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I-rabies namuhla cishe ibulala amaphesenti angu-100.
Lokhu kusho ukuthi noma ubani one-rabies uyofa uma

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kungathathwa zinyathelo, futhi akukho ukwelashwa okutholakalayo.

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Ukwethulwa kwemijovo empeleni kuyatholakala
lapha kubo bobabili. Futhi le mijozo iyasebenza.

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Futhi yilokho esikubalisa futhi esikuchazayo encwadini yethu.

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Ukuze kucace kubo bonke lapho ukugoma kunconywa – yebo.

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Futhi hhayi nje ukuthi yebo, kodwa
siyancoma ngenhliziyo yonke, ngoba ingasindisa

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izimpilo – futhi, ngakolunye uhlangothi, kumele.

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Uma udokotela engazi ukuthi ungagonyelwa i-tetanus –
futhi, okubaluleke kakhulu, ukuthi ungagonywa kanjani.

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Futhi lapha, njengoba kuchazwe encwadini,
akukhona nje ukugoma okwenziwa lapha ngomuthi

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wokugoma okukhuthaza ukwakheka kwamakhala omzimba.

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Kukhona futhi okwaziwa ngokuthi ukuvikelwa
ngokungaqondile. Lokhu kuhilela ukunikezwa kwamabhowuni

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avikelayo asele esilungiselelwe abantu asebevikelwe.

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Futhi lezi zimelana zitholakala ku-tetanus
nakwi-rabies. Futhi ziyasebenza, ziyasebenza ngempela!

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Futhi lezi empeleni azinazo
imiphumela emibi enzima ngoba zihlanzekile.

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Ziyizivikeli zomzimba eziqotho, azikho izithasiselo.

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Ngakho-ke, bengifuna ukwenza kucace ngokuphelele
ukuthi angiphikisani nokugoma, kodwa ngithi

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isilinganiso sengcuphe nenzuzo kumele sibe sokufanele.

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Unikeza izahluko eziyisikhombisa encwadini yakho esihlokweni
sokugoma, okujwayele ukubhekwa njengempumelelo enkulu

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kunazo zonke kanye nesikhali esinamandla kakhulu sokulwa nezifo.

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Usukhulume ngalokhu kakade. Futhi labo abasekela ukugoma
bazophikisa ukuthi zonke izifo ezithathelana ngomzimba seziyehla.

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Akuyona yini ubufakazi bokuthi umjovo wokugoma usebenza kahle?

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Yebo, lokho kuyiphuzu
elibalulekile engangifuna ukukubhekana nakho.

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Ngemva kokuhlola udaba lokugoma, ngathola
incwadi kaMnu. Buchwald enesihloko esilula nesingasoze

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sakhohlwa esithi "Ugomo – Ibhizinisi Lokwesaba".

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Futhi uBuchwald wenze umsebenzi olula
kakhulu futhi okhumbulekayo kakhulu lapha.

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Wadweba wonke amadatha ezibalo atholakala
eHhovisi Lezibalo Likazwelonke mayelana nezifo

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ezithathelana, wabe eselokhu ebhala phezulu usuku lokugoma.

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Kwabe sekucaca kakhulu ukuthi kuwo wonke umkhuhlane
osulelayo, ukwehla okukhulu kwezifo ezithathelana ngaso kwenzeka

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ngaso sonke isikhathi ngaphambi kokwethulwa kokugoma ngobuningi.

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Lokhu kukhombisa ngokuqinile ukuthi ukwehla kwezifo
ezithathelana ngomzimba akubangelwa umthelela

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wokugoma, kodwa kunalokho kubangelwa ezinye izinyathelo.

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Futhi lokho nje yindlela yokuphila
engcono esinayo ngesikhathi ngemva kwempi.

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Ungabona futhi ngokusobala ukuthi ithuberculosis
yanyuka yehla kanjani phakathi neminyaka yempi.

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Ngakho-ke lokhu kuhlobene nokuthi abantu
babesulala indlala, bebanda futhi bephila ezimweni

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ezimbi, okwavumela izifo ezithathelana ukusabalala.

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Izimo zokuphila zazibalulekile, izimo zokuphila.

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Yebo.

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Futhi imboni yezemithi ithi okuphambene
nalokho. Ithi sinesimo esihle ngoba siyagonywa.

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Kodwa idatha yezibalo ikhombisa ngokusobala ukuthi lokhu akuwona
iqiniso, ngakho-ke le mpikiswano, esolokhu isetshenziswa ngelinye

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uhlangothi, yokuthi abaphikisi bemijovo noma abagxeki
bemijovo bangabantu abangaziphathi emphakathini abaziphilisa

198
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ngokusiza kwabanye ngaphandle kokubonga, empeleni ayisekelwanga.

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Ngaphezu kwakho konke, manje sesibonile ngokugomela i-coronavirus
ukuthi kwakungekho ukuvikelwa kwabanye nhlobo, ngakho-ke

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le nkulumo eyayihlala iphakanyiswa ayinasisekelo nhlobo.

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Inhloso yokugoma ukukhiqiza ama-antibodi.

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Lokho kulindeleke ukuthi kube ubufakazi bokuthi umjovo usebenze.

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Yilokho abantu abakushoyo.

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Yebo, ingabe lokho kuyiphuzu elibaluleke
kakhulu uma kukhulunywa ngokuvikela komzimba?

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Cha, impela kuyisiphukuphuku ukusho
ukuthi konke kusekelwe kuma-antibodies.

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Yini ama-antibodies? Asebenza kanjani? Futhi uhlelo
lokuzivikela komzimba lusebenza kanjani ngokujwayelekile?

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Akekho owaziyo, ngoba cishe akufundiswa emkhakheni wezokwelapha.

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Odokotela baba odokotela ngaphandle
kokuthola ulwazi oluyisisekelo lwe-immunology.

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Njengoba ngifundise lesi sifundo kusukela ku-A kuya ku-Z iminyaka
engaphezu kwengu-20, abafundi eMainz

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kwakudingeka bazi okuningi kakhulu, kungenjalo
bebengaphumeleli ekuhlolweni. Nabona babekwazi lokho.

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Cha, kunezingalo nezinsika ezahlukene zohlelo
lokuzivikela komzimba, futhi sesizichazile zonke.

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Azikho eziningi, kodwa kufanele uzazi.

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Yizicubu zokuzivikela komzimba,
bese kuba yizicubu, ama-lymphocyte .

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Futhi ngokuvamile, ama-antibodies angasebenza kuphela ekulweni
nezibulala-mzimba ngoba izibulala-mzimba zincane

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futhi ama-antibodies nawo mancane, futhi
ama-antibodies angazibamba izibulala-mzimba lapho zikhona.

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Okungukuthi, izinto eziyingozi ezikule
gazi, ngoba ama-antibodi ikakhulu akule gazi.

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Ngakho-ke, isebenza kuphela uma itokisini ithuthwa ngegazi.

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Isibonelo, itokisini ekhiqizwa ngumbungu we-tetanus.

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Futhi yilapho ama-antibodi angabamba khona futhi
ame, okusho ukuthi angayeka futhi angayi phambili.

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Ngaphandle kwalokho, ama-antibodi
angavimbela amagciwane kuphela uma ekhona egazini.

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Nokho, iningi lamagciwane lingena emzimbeni
ngempumulo, emigudwini yokuphefumula noma emathunjini.

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Futhi yingakho kungekho ndlela yokuvikela ngempela
ungqimba lwamaphaphu, imigudu yomoya, amaphaphu

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uqobo, noma ngisho nomgudu wokugaya ukudla ngokugoma.

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Ngakho-ke, njengoba ngasho eminyakeni emihlanu edlule, bantu,
akunangqondo nhlobo ukuzama ukugoma umthombo

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wesifo sokuphefumula uma ama-antibodi ekhiqizwa
egazini ngoba akhona ngakolunye uhlangothi lodonga.

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Awukwazi ukuyinqanda, futhi manje sesiyazi ukuthi kunjalo.

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Lokhu kugonywa ngeke kuvimbele ukutheleleka.

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Yebo. Ukugoma kwe-measles okwethulwe
nguJens Spahn okwamanje kuxoxwa ngakho futhi.

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Nalapho, kubonakala sengathi
ama-antibodies awanikeli ngokubalulekile ekuvikeleni.

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Yebo, siphinde sakusho lokho
encwadini. Sekuyaziwa iminyaka engu-50.

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Kukhona abantu abangakwazi nhlobo
ukukhiqiza ama-antibodies. Lena yiphutha lezofuzo.

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Kwaziwa ukuthi laba bantu bathola
umkhuhlane wamaphaphu ngokujwayelekile futhi

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baphola ngokujwayelekile njengabanye bonke.

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Abafeli. Futhi abaguli kakhulu. Ngeke nhlobo.

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Futhi yilona bufakazi, inkomba ecacile yokuthi yi-lymphocytes,
amaseli egazi amhlophe, abhekele ukususa izifo ze-virusi.

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Yebo, futhi lezi seli zegazi ezimhlophe
azilinganisiwe. Uyakuqonda? Ngenxa yokugoma.

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Ngoba kunzima kakhulu, futhi ngaphezu kwalokho ngeke kube
usizo, ngoba bahlala bekhona. Yilokho esikutshela bona.

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Mayelana namagciwane, lezi seli zegazi ezimhlophe
azibophezeli kugciwane olulodwa, kodwa zibona

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uhlobo lwegciwane nomndeni wonke ngasikhathi sinye.

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Futhi yilokho okusivikela. Lapho sivame
ukubhekana namagciwane ahlukene ngesikhathi

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sobuntwana, ukuvikelwa kwethu kuba banzi kakhulu.

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Yingakho konke lokhu ukungahlakaniphi
ngokuvimbela izifo ezosakazeka ezinganeni kumele kuyeke.

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Futhi ucabanga ukuthi kungani le mjekelo
yokuphotha eyimpoqo yethulwe ngokukhethekile

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ukuvikela isifo somkhuhlane wama-measles?

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Angazi. Ngisola ukuthi kwakuwukuhlolwa ukubona ukuthi
umphakathi uzophendula kanjani ekugonyweni okuphoqelekile.

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Ngoba ukugoma okuphoqelekile ngokumelene
ne-coronavirus nakho kwaxoxwa ngakho kamuva.

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Lokho kwakuhlelwe kakade.

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Mhlawumbe kwakuhlelwe kakade. Kwakuwuhlobo lokuzama
ngesidingo sokugonywa i-measles – okwakungadingeki nhlobo.

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Ngakho-ke, njengoba ngishilo, njengoba uSucharit eseshilo,
kwakungekho ukufa ngenxa yomkhuhlane we-measles ngaleso sikhathi.

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Amazingeni okutheleleka nawo ayephansi ngokungahleliwe.

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Ngakho-ke ukuthi kungani umkhuhlane wama-measles,
phakathi kwazo zonke izinto, kwakufanele ngokuzumayo kwenziwe

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umthetho, kwakungacaci nhlobo. Noma kwakungekho mqondo.

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Yebo, ngaleyo ndlela, lo mthetho empeleni
uyizilimaza, ngoba ekugcineni ochwepheshe

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abangenakho ukuqonda benza zonke izinhlobo zezinto...

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Ngiyaxolisa, ochwepheshe abangenakho ubuchule bangobani?

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Abazibiza ngokuthi bangochwepheshe.

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Cha, cha, cha. Abazibizi ngamagama ezikhundla,
babizwa futhi bagqokwa njengochwepheshe, yebo.

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Kukhona uhlelo ngemuva kwakho konke
lokhu. Futhi lolu hlelo luhlelwe ngempela.

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00:25:28,388 --> 00:25:35,669
Abahleli abakulo lizwe; bakude kakhulu entshonalanga.

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Kodwa lolu hlelo seluqhubeka iminyaka
eyishumi, iminyaka engamashumi amabili

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nanhlanu, lolu hlelo lokuqhuma kwe-coronavirus.

262
00:25:46,677 --> 00:25:53,723
Incwadi kaPaul Schreyer kufanele ngempela
ifundwe. Kubo bonke abezindaba. Kubo bonke abantu.

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Futhi nakwabafuna ukuba izishoshovu
zezepolitiki. Konke kwakuhleliwe.

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Futhi kuyacaca ngokuphelele ukuthi ngo-2019, le
nkinga ye-coronavirus yayivele ihlelwe cishe ngokuphelele.

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Kwakukhona umdlalo wokulingisa
ngo-Okthoba 2019. Futhi vele, i-virus yayikhona.

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Ngoba umkhuhlane uvela elabhorethri, njengoba manje sesazi .

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Noma ubani ongazi lokhu kufanele aqanjwe ejele
lamabhuku futhi anikezwe ukufunda okuphoqelekile.

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Ngoba konke kwakuhleliwe. I-Moderna yayivele
inezilingo eziyi-100,000 zomuthi wokugoma ngo-2019.

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Bathi, bantu, sizoba namadosi
ayizigidigidi ngonyaka ozayo. Singakwenza.

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Umyalezo wawuthi kwakhululwa igciwane umuntu
wonke engenaso isistimu yokuzivikela somzimba kulo.

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Yebo. Kodwa lokho akuyona into ehlakaniphile,
akunjalo? Akusikho ukuthi siphelele ezandleni zesifo.

272
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:21,968
Yebo, yingakho sigqoka izimaski futhi sigcina ibanga.

273
00:27:21,968 --> 00:27:27,857
Lezo zinto kuphela ezazisivikela – okwakuyize ngokuphelele.

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Sabona ukuthi kwakukhona ukumelana
komzimba okuyisisekelo okuhle kakhulu.

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Babengazi ukuthi ukumelana namagciwane e-corona kuhlala kusekelwe
kabanzi. Ngoba amagciwane e-corona akhona yonke indawo.

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Futhi lapho ingane iqala i-nursery, igula njalo
ezinyangeni ezimbalwa phakathi nonyaka wokuqala.

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Lezi ngokuyinhloko ama-coronavirus. Futhi uhlelo lokuzivikela
komzimba lufundiswa kaningi ngesifo ngasinye, luyaqina kakhulu.

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00:28:02,724 --> 00:28:06,918
Ngibhekane nobhubhane we-coronavirus emsebenzini wami wokwelapha.

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Ngangifuna nokuzizwisa lokho, futhi kwafika nokuhlolwa.

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Ngesikhathi ukuhlolwa sekutholakala, kwavuka ukwesaba okukhulu.

281
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Abantu bangena ehhovisi likadokotela bekhala
ngokuphelelwa umoya – kodwa babengenankinga.

282
00:28:22,841 --> 00:28:26,725
Bahlolwe bathola ukuthi banayo i-coronavirus
futhi bazizwa sengathi abakwazi ukuphefumula.

283
00:28:26,725 --> 00:28:31,577
Kwakudingeka nje ngikhulume nabo okwesikhashana futhi
ngicacise kubo ukuthi babenesikhala esanele sokuphefumula.

284
00:28:31,577 --> 00:28:35,130
Babe nje behogela ngokweqile. Kwabe sekuthula futhi.

285
00:28:35,130 --> 00:28:40,638
Kwakukhona nabaguli abahlolwe bethola
i-coronavirus. Kodwa lokhu kwafihlwa ukuhlolwa.

286
00:28:40,638 --> 00:28:43,914
Ngakho-ke ngazithathela inkululeko yokubheka
ngokujulile ukuze ngibone ukuthi empeleni bekuphi okungalungile

287
00:28:43,914 --> 00:28:46,150
kubo. Ngakho-ke empeleni babe nobunzima bokuphefumula.

288
00:28:46,150 --> 00:28:50,147
Omunye wayenepneumonia ye-chlamydia
, omunye wayenembolism yemiphaphu.

289
00:28:50,147 --> 00:28:59,985
Owesithathu wayenalesi sifo sepapayi esidinga ikortisone.

290
00:28:59,985 --> 00:29:10,322
Kwakukhona izimbangela ezahlukene kakhulu. Kodwa zonke zafakwa
ngaphansi komthetho wokuhlolwa kwe-coronavirus, ngokuthi.

291
00:29:10,322 --> 00:29:11,548
Ukuxilongwa okungalungile.

292
00:29:11,548 --> 00:29:20,174
Yebo, kwahlulelwa kabi. Lowo one-pneumonia ye-chlamydia
nakanjani wayengeke ajabule ngokwelashwa nge-cortisone.

293
00:29:20,174 --> 00:29:24,736
Esimweni se-exogenous allergic alveolitis ,
ikortisone kwakuyindlela yokwelapha efanele.

294
00:29:24,736 --> 00:29:28,306
Kodwa ukuxilongwa okuhlukanisayo kushiywe ngokuphelele.

295
00:29:28,306 --> 00:29:38,010
Yebo, bekumnandi kakhulu ukubona engxoxweni nodokotela wezifuba
ochaze inqubekela phambili yakhe, owabe esethola yena uqobo.

296
00:29:38,010 --> 00:29:43,060
Futhi uNksz Maischberger wasitshela wathi: "Ninikela
okuningi kakhulu, kwabe sekuyenzeka kini. Sixoxele ngakho."

297
00:29:43,060 --> 00:29:50,888
Wabe esechaza inqubo ejwayelekile ye-pneumonia ye-pneumococcus
waphothula wathi lokho ayekuhlangabezane nakho kwakuyicala

298
00:29:50,888 --> 00:29:54,816
elingajwayelekile kakhulu le-pneumonia ye-coronavirus.

299
00:29:54,816 --> 00:30:02,934
Babebuthakathaka kakhulu ngaleso sikhathi, bagxila
kuphela kuleli vivinyo le-coronavirus bathi lizokunquma konke.

300
00:30:02,934 --> 00:30:06,129
I-influenza yanyamalala ngaleso sikhathi esifanayo.

301
00:30:06,129 --> 00:30:11,559
Empeleni isusiwe cishe ngokuphelele
ngoba akekho osehlola i-influenza manje.

302
00:30:11,559 --> 00:30:14,793
Ngakho-ke ngashayela udokotela wami
waselebhorethri ngambuza, "Ngitshele, ngabe kusekhona

303
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okwamanje okwenzayo ukuhlolwa kwe-influenza?"

304
00:30:17,065 --> 00:30:23,020
Uthi, "Cha, wena kuphela kwesinye isikhathi."
Ngakho-ke lokho kuwubandlululo ocacile ekuhlolweni .

305
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Ngaphandle kwale ukuhlolwa, besingeke siqaphele
lesi sifo. Ngiphinde ngabuza ozakwethu abambalwa:

306
00:30:27,965 --> 00:30:32,860
Ngitshele, ucabanga ukuthi besizowuqaphela
noma yini uma singazange senze ukuhlolwa?

307
00:30:32,860 --> 00:30:38,769
UProfesa Allersberger wase-Austria wathi wavuma
nami: "Cha, ngempela besingeke siqaphele lutho."

308
00:30:38,769 --> 00:30:42,649
Kodwa ozakwethu bathi, "Yebo, wabona bonke abantu abashonile."

309
00:30:42,649 --> 00:30:47,289
Kwathi-ke ngazizwa ngingakhululekile ngokuphelele.
"Ingabe sekube nokufa okuningi emsebenzini wakho?"

310
00:30:47,289 --> 00:30:51,605
Cha, hhayi emsebenzini wami, kodwa
uke wabona izithombe zaseBergamo?

311
00:30:51,605 --> 00:30:54,824
Konke kwagcina sekuncike ezithombeni zaseBergamo.

312
00:30:54,824 --> 00:31:02,092
Lokhu sekusabalalise ukwesaba futhi kwenze abantu bathobeke.

313
00:31:02,092 --> 00:31:08,160
Kodwa manje, uTom Lausen, isibonelo, waya lapho wabala
abashonile, ngoba abashonile babekhona ngempela lapho.

314
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,879
Ucabanga ukuthi imbangela iyini-ke? Kungani abantu bafa?

315
00:31:10,879 --> 00:31:16,323
Yebo, ngenze njalo – ngavuswa yizindaba ze-AIDS
nokwelashwa ngokweqile, ngokwemvelo ngabuzwa

316
00:31:16,323 --> 00:31:20,035
ngokushesha – babelapha kanjani iziguli ze-coronavirus?

317
00:31:20,035 --> 00:31:26,780
Ngathola ngokushesha engangikufuna. E-China, baphatha
iziguli nge-cortisone, ama-steroid nemithi evimbela amagciwane.

318
00:31:26,780 --> 00:31:29,707
Akuzange kuzibonakalise, kusho
lokho okubhaliwe ngqo ngaphezulu kwayo.

319
00:31:29,707 --> 00:31:36,404
Uma ngizwa ukuthi okuthile akukakazibonakalisi, ngiyamelele
ngendlebe. Lokho ngokuvamile kusho ukuthi sekubangele umonakalo.

320
00:31:36,404 --> 00:31:44,030
Futhi ngathatha leli thuba ngabhala incwadi kumhleli
wejenali yethu yezokwelapha yaseJalimane ngokuphendula udaba

321
00:31:44,030 --> 00:31:49,300
olunesihloko esithi: "Akukakayikho ukwelashwa kwe-coronavirus."

322
00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:54,166
Kwathi-ke ngabhala: Ngokwalesi sitatimende,
ngiyazibuza ukuthi yiluphi uhlobo lwezidakamizwa

323
00:31:54,166 --> 00:31:57,904
olusetshenziswa ekwelashweni ngaphandle kokuhlolwa nhlobo.

324
00:31:57,904 --> 00:32:03,646
Futhi zonke lezi zaziyizilungiselelo ezazicindezela
kancane noma kakhulu uhlelo lokuzivikela komzimba .

325
00:32:03,646 --> 00:32:12,642
Futhi uma isithombe sokugula sifana ne-influenza, noma
sasiyingxenye ye-influenza, ngingase ngingafuni noma iyiphi

326
00:32:12,642 --> 00:32:17,796
yalezi zinto, ngoba ngokuqinisekile azisekeli inqubo yokululama.

327
00:32:17,796 --> 00:32:24,020
Futhi ngempela bashicilela incwadi.
Kodwa-ke umbhalo waqhubeka noma kunjalo.

328
00:32:24,020 --> 00:32:34,693
Kwabe sekuza lezo zifundo ze-WHO ngomhlaka 1
Ephreli, ezaveza ngempela ukwanda okukhulu kokufa.

329
00:32:34,693 --> 00:32:42,209
Futhi lokho kwakungenxa yento eyayiqukethe, i-hydroxychloroquine,
engasiza kakhulu ngemithamo ephansi futhi esebenza

330
00:32:42,209 --> 00:32:49,606
kahle ekwelapheni izifo ezibangelwa amagciwane
ngoba inciphisa ubuhlungu bezingalo nemilenze kancane.

331
00:32:49,606 --> 00:32:53,870
Kodwa inobubanzi obuncane kakhulu bokwelapha, futhi lapho
kwanconywa ngemithamo eyayibulalayo

332
00:32:53,870 --> 00:32:59,091
ngokuphelele – ibangele ukungajwayelekile
kwenhliziyo, ngisho nokudlidliza kwemisipha yenhliziyo.

333
00:32:59,091 --> 00:33:06,031
Lokhu kwabonakala ngokushesha okuthile, kwabe sekumiswa
ngokushesha, ukuze kube nokuphakama okukodwa

334
00:33:06,031 --> 00:33:12,083
kuphela – ngamanye amazwi, umugqa wakhuphuka ngokumile
ezinsukwini eziyi-14 emva kokuqala kwalezi zifundo.

335
00:33:12,083 --> 00:33:20,327
Ngakho ungathumela abamangaleli lapho bese ucela
amarekhodi eziguli abelashwe ngomhlaka 1 Ephreli.

336
00:33:20,327 --> 00:33:25,005
Nakanjani babeyothola ababekufuna noma kuphi
lapho kwenzeka khona ukufa okungaphezu kwesiqhelo.

337
00:33:25,005 --> 00:33:29,574
Lezi kwakuyiLondon, iParis, amadolobha
amakhulu, izindunankulu ezinkulu lapho kwakukhona

338
00:33:29,574 --> 00:33:32,068
izibhedlela zamanyuvesi ezinkulu, kanye neMadrid.

339
00:33:32,068 --> 00:33:35,435
Yebo, neNew York futhi, kodwa
lokho akuzange kuhambisane neYurophu.

340
00:33:35,435 --> 00:33:42,296
Kodwa lokho sekwenzekile lapho ocwaningweni
lwe-WHO, futhi nakanjani naseNew Zealand nase-Australia.

341
00:33:42,296 --> 00:33:46,193
Kodwa lobu bunikazi bokufa
ngokweqile busabalalise ukwesaba ngokwemvelo.

342
00:33:46,193 --> 00:33:53,483
Akekho okholelwa ukuthi iziguli zifa ngenxa yokwelashwa;
ngokwemvelo bakholelwa ukuthi zifa ngenxa yalesi sifo esinzima.

343
00:33:53,483 --> 00:33:59,677
Futhi yilokho okwenza i-coronavirus ngokuzumayo yathola
idumela lokuba yingozi izikhathi eziyishumi kune-influenza.

344
00:33:59,677 --> 00:34:07,273
Yebo. Yebo, sinohlelo oluthakazelisayo kakhulu ku-Kla.TV mayelana
nalokhu lapho ungabona khona laba bantu ababe, isibonelo,

345
00:34:07,273 --> 00:34:15,596
belashwa e-Italy, bathola ukwelashwa okungelona nhlobo, bashona
ngobuningi, futhi cishe akekho ophume esibhedlela ephila .

346
00:34:15,596 --> 00:34:22,168
Yebo, kwabe sekukhona inkinga yezincomo zokuhlanzeka
zokulwa nobhubhane ezithi iziguli kufanele zifakwe intubation .

347
00:34:22,168 --> 00:34:24,486
Futhi i-remdesivir.

348
00:34:24,486 --> 00:34:33,925
Futhi i-remdesivir, umuthi onobuthi obukhulu,
owokulwa namagciwane, okubonakala ukuthi ikhiqizwa ngaphansi

349
00:34:33,925 --> 00:34:38,819
kwelayisensi eBergamo – njengoba uTom Lausen ethole.

350
00:34:38,819 --> 00:34:42,584
Ngakho-ke kwakukhona ibanga elifushane kusuka
kumkhiqizi kuya endlini yokunakekelwa kwabantu asebekhulile.

351
00:34:42,584 --> 00:34:48,226
Ngakho-ke kungenzeka ukuthi iziguli lapho
zonke zazihlinzekwe kahle nge-remdesivir.

352
00:34:48,226 --> 00:34:49,629
Akusho ukuthi babulawa...

353
00:34:49,629 --> 00:34:54,625
Noma kunjalo, bekungekho ukusiza ekululameni.

354
00:34:54,625 --> 00:35:03,479
Ngaphandle kwe-SARS-CoV-2, esivele yaxoxwa ngayo
kabanzi futhi abaningi bababukeli bethu bayayijwayela.

355
00:35:03,479 --> 00:35:08,652
Nokho, kunezinye izifo lapho ukuxilongwa kungacaci kangako.

356
00:35:08,652 --> 00:35:14,981
Ubhala... Encwadini yakho, unengxenye enhle mayelana
ne-hepatitis C. Ungasitshela okwengeziwe ngalokho?

357
00:35:14,981 --> 00:35:20,449
Yebo, i-hepatitis C, ngokuthi, ihambisane ne-HIV.

358
00:35:20,449 --> 00:35:24,590
Kufanele ngichaze kafushane ukuhlolwa kwezilwane okwenzekile.

359
00:35:24,590 --> 00:35:29,106
Kwakukhona i-hepatitis engelona uhlobo A nengelona uhlobo B,
eyayibizwa nge-hepatitis eyalandela

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00:35:29,106 --> 00:35:34,494
ukudluliselwa kwegazi, eyayingasabalali ngempela,
kodwa eyayivela ngemva kokudluliselwa kwegazi.

361
00:35:34,494 --> 00:35:41,640
Ngakho-ke lokhu kungase kube nomphumela wezokuzivikela
komzimba, yingakho iziguli zaba mthubi okwethutyana.

362
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:46,412
Kodwa ososayensi bezivayirasi babesebenza futhi
bacabanga ukuthi kungaba isivayirasi esingakakadalwa.

363
00:35:46,412 --> 00:35:55,030
Bese bayifuna ngokufaka igazi labaguli
abane-hepatitis engelona i-A nengelona i-B ezinkaweni, futhi

364
00:35:55,030 --> 00:36:00,050
bagcina isilwane sokulawula egumbini elihlukile.

365
00:36:00,050 --> 00:36:06,915
Lena kwakuyisethaphu yokuhlola. Ngakho-ke, empeleni, bekufanele
bafake inani elilinganayo lamakhanga egazi lomuntu ophilile

366
00:36:06,915 --> 00:36:10,940
ukuze bakwazi ukususa lezi zimphumela zezokuzivikela komzimba.

367
00:36:10,940 --> 00:36:14,865
Yebo, lezi zinkawu ezifakwe igazi azizange zigule.

368
00:36:14,865 --> 00:36:18,480
Babenezivumelwano ze-enzyme zomhlathi
ezikhuphukile kancane okwethutyana, kwathi kamuva babulawa.

369
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,116
Futhi isibindi besilungile futhi, abazange bathole lutho.

370
00:36:22,116 --> 00:36:30,443
Kodwa-ke lapho lezi zindlela ze-PCR ezinokucacisa okuphezulu
zafika emakethe, ngazo zithole izingcezu ezingabonakali sengathi

371
00:36:30,443 --> 00:36:38,062
ziyingxenye yekhodi yemfuzo yesilwane esihlolwayo, futhi
zanquma ukuthi lokhu kungaba yigciwane elaligcinwa yizilwane.

372
00:36:38,062 --> 00:36:44,390
Kwathi-ke kwathuthukiswa i-antibodi yokulwa nayo, i-HCV antibody.

373
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:49,413
Kwathi-ke kwaba yinto ethengiswayo. Kwenzeka
nje ukuthi inkosi yaseShayina

374
00:36:49,413 --> 00:36:54,225
yayine-hepatitis, ngakho-ke yakhushulwa futhi yathengiswa.

375
00:36:54,225 --> 00:37:10,388
Benze i-antigen. Ngakho bathathe lezi ziqephu zofuzo
njengetempulethi yeproteini, njengomklamo we-antigen.

376
00:37:10,388 --> 00:37:19,920
Futhi basebenzisa i-antigen ukuze
bakhuthaze ama-antibodi kwezinye izilwane.

377
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:30,197
Bese bathuthukisa ukuhlolwa kokuthola lezi zivikeli
emzimbeni wabantu. Lona ukuhlolwa kokuthola lezi zivikeli.

378
00:37:30,197 --> 00:37:42,628
Nokho, ukutholwa kwamantibhodi kugxile
engxenyeni eyakhiwe ngokweplani eqageliwe.

379
00:37:42,628 --> 00:37:50,310
Bese behamba nalo ukuhlolwa, behlole abantu
ukuze babone ukuthi ubani onama-antibodi kuwo.

380
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:55,024
Futhi noma ubani onakho
une-hepatitis C. Leyo kwakuyincazelo, akunjalo?

381
00:37:55,024 --> 00:37:58,209
Noma bengabonisi noma yiziphi
izimpawu zokugula, njengokuba mthubi?

382
00:37:58,209 --> 00:38:05,020
Yebo, sasivele sinalesi sikhathi sokuvuthwa kwe-AIDS, lapho
sasineziguli eziphilile ezavivinywa zathola ama-antibodi.

383
00:38:05,020 --> 00:38:11,265
Kwatshelwa bona ukuthi uzofa ngemva konyaka – kwathi-ke isikhathi
sokubhebhetheka kwesifo saba yisikhathi eside kancane, kwathi-ke

384
00:38:11,265 --> 00:38:16,071
kwaba iminyaka eyishumi – ngokutheleleka kwe-hepatitis C abazange
bafe nhlobo, kwathi-ke kwaba iminyaka

385
00:38:16,071 --> 00:38:20,388
engamashumi amathathu – kwathi-ke uzothola
umdlavuza wesibindi noma i-cirrhosis yesibindi.

386
00:38:20,388 --> 00:38:24,611
Futhi ukuze uqinisekise ukuthi awutholi, kufanele
uqale manje ukuthatha ukwelashwa kwethu okuvimbela

387
00:38:24,611 --> 00:38:28,043
amagciwane, okubiza okwamanje ama-£10,000 iphakethe ngalinye.

388
00:38:28,043 --> 00:38:34,023
Futhi yilokho okwenzayo. Abagulayo, futhi
ngeke bagule futhi ngenxa yokwelashwa, ngoba

389
00:38:34,023 --> 00:38:37,046
umthamo waso awusase uphezulu njengangaphambili.

390
00:38:37,046 --> 00:38:42,532
I-Hepatitis C yayelashwa
nge-interferon namadosi aphezulu e-ribavirin.

391
00:38:42,532 --> 00:38:48,734
Abantu babediniwe ngokuphelele futhi bagula unyaka wonke, bathola
ukushoda kwegazi okukhulu, kwabe sekudingeka bapholise,

392
00:38:48,734 --> 00:38:54,998
ngakho kwacaca ukuthi okuthile kumele kushintshe,
okungenani ukuze ukwelashwa kube nokungabi yingozi kangako.

393
00:38:54,998 --> 00:39:02,203
Kodwa empeleni, kube yisizathu esihle njalo
sokungelaphe izinkinga zesibindi ngemithi, ngoba imithi ngaso

394
00:39:02,203 --> 00:39:06,361
sonke isikhathi iyingozi esibindini ngendlela ethile.

395
00:39:06,361 --> 00:39:11,192
Namuhla abantu bayazibuza – ngangisanda ukuba kwenye
ingqungquthela yezifo zesibindi – ukuthi kungani inani

396
00:39:11,192 --> 00:39:15,076
lama-carcinoma wamaseli esibindi linganciphi
naphezu kokuncipha ngempumelelo komthwalo

397
00:39:15,076 --> 00:39:18,653
wegciwane. Eqinisweni, kubonakala kukhuphuka kancane.

398
00:39:18,653 --> 00:39:22,524
Impendulo elula ithi ngoba okukodwa akunanto yakwenza nokunye.

399
00:39:22,524 --> 00:39:28,565
Bonke abantu abathola izidakamizwa ngokugonyela
bane-hepatitis C, kodwa banesizathu ehlukile.

400
00:39:28,565 --> 00:39:34,815
Izidakamizwa zabo zibangela
ukungcoliswa kwesibindi. Njengabaphuzi botshwala.

401
00:39:34,815 --> 00:39:38,632
Uma uthi lokho engqungqutheleni yezifo zesibindi,
kusho ukuthi utshwala kuyisici esibalulekile

402
00:39:38,632 --> 00:39:41,591
kakhulu. Ngakho-ke nakho akusebenzi ngaphandle kotshwala.

403
00:39:41,591 --> 00:39:46,326
Ngakho-ke empeleni kuyiqiniso ukuthi
iziguli ezine-HCV ezinezinkinga, ngokuvamile,

404
00:39:46,326 --> 00:39:49,560
kutholakala ukuthi ziyizidakamizwa zotshwala.

405
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:56,785
Yebo. Ngakho-ke lowo muntu uphinde abhekisele
inzuzo ekwelashweni engakwazi ukufakazeka nhlobo.

406
00:39:56,785 --> 00:39:58,078
Futhi akaboni umonakalo.

407
00:39:58,078 --> 00:40:04,850
Futhi akaboni umonakalo, yebo. Incwadi yakho
ibhekana kabanzi kakhulu nezingozi ezibonwayo nezangempela.

408
00:40:04,850 --> 00:40:10,414
Ngakho-ke uvame ukwenza iziqhathaniso
lapho; usho lezi zinsika ezintathu.

409
00:40:10,414 --> 00:40:14,690
Ngokuvamile, izinqumo zokuphila. Ukhulume ngabantu abaphuza
utshwala ngokweqile, kodwa ezinye izinto ezisabalele

410
00:40:14,690 --> 00:40:19,208
kakhulu, njengokukhuluphala nokubhema, ngokwezibalo
zibaluleke kakhulu kunoma yiluphi isifo esithathelana okwamanje.

411
00:40:19,208 --> 00:40:25,171
Babhala uhlu lapho, futhi izifo ezithathelana nabantu zifika
kuphela esikhundleni sesihlanu phakathi kwezimbangela zokufa.

412
00:40:25,171 --> 00:40:33,408
Kungani-ke izikhungo ezifana neRobert Koch Institute
zingachazi ukuthi abantu bathola izinzuzo ezinkulu kakhulu

413
00:40:33,408 --> 00:40:37,628
ngokugcina impilo yabo isempilweni nokukhuthaza lokhu?

414
00:40:37,628 --> 00:40:42,884
Kunalokho, bacindezela zonke izinhlobo
zokuhlolwa nemijovo yokugoma ezisezingeni

415
00:40:42,884 --> 00:40:46,335
eliphansi ekuhlaziyweni kobungozi nezinzuzo.

416
00:40:46,335 --> 00:40:58,228
Manje ngingethula ithisisi yami
mayelana nekilasi elibusayo nobugqila?

417
00:40:58,228 --> 00:41:09,100
Umphakathi wethu wonke wakhiwe
ngobukapitalizimu... Yebo, umphakathi wakhiwe ngobukapitalizimu.

418
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:15,153
Futhi ngafunda okuthile okubhalwe
nguRainer Mausfeld okwangithinta kakhulu.

419
00:41:15,153 --> 00:41:21,812
URainer Mausfeld, umlando wethu omkhulu
(ngempela: isazi ngokwengqondo) waseKiel, wabhala:

420
00:41:21,812 --> 00:41:28,754
Ubukapitali nodemokhrasi awuhambisani.

421
00:41:28,754 --> 00:41:36,821
Ngoba ubukapitalizimu buholela abantu
ekuthatheni izinto kwabanye abantu.

422
00:41:36,821 --> 00:41:42,680
Bafuna ukwanelisa ukuzifisela kwabo, ngokomqondo.

423
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:52,463
Futhi ubugovu, isici somuntu okunzima ukusicindezela,
buholela abacebile ukuba bafune ukuba bacebe kakhulu.

424
00:41:52,463 --> 00:41:56,456
Futhi ukuze benze lokho, kumele
bathathe okuningi kakhulu kubampofu.

425
00:41:56,456 --> 00:42:06,621
Sesifike endaweni lapho manje sekumele bathathe konke emhlabeni
wonke ukuze bagcine isikhundla sabo sobukhosi bomhlaba.

426
00:42:06,621 --> 00:42:20,779
Futhi abakwenzayo ukusisusa ubuntu bethu, amakhono
ethu njengabantu, futhi basenza sikhokhe izinsiza zethu.

427
00:42:20,779 --> 00:42:32,229
Kulesi simo, imijovo yokugoma nemithi
zinquma ukufa kwethu. Lo mbono uyihlanya ngempela.

428
00:42:32,229 --> 00:42:41,385
Kufanele ngikhulume manje, ngoba ngibone futhi
ngafinyelela kulokhu ngokufunda izincwadi

429
00:42:41,385 --> 00:42:48,180
ezahlukahlukene ngomlando, ezombusazwe kanye nezomnotho.

430
00:42:48,180 --> 00:43:01,970
Futhi bonke engikhulume nabo kulo mkhakha iminyaka eminingi,
kubonakala kungenzeka kakhulu ukuthi amandla abusa – futhi awekho

431
00:43:01,970 --> 00:43:13,462
eJalimane, awekho eNtshonalanga – athole umkhakha wami, umkhakha
wami wezifo ezithathelana, njengethuluzi

432
00:43:13,462 --> 00:43:25,760
eliyingqayizivele, elisha, elinamandla, elinamandla
kunazo zonke emhlabeni lokuqinisa ubukhosi babo.

433
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:38,315
Ngoba ngalawa banezosayensi babo, ochwepheshe babo,
futhi manje sebene-WHO. Konke kukule ndawo eyodwa.

434
00:43:38,315 --> 00:43:48,110
Futhi i-WHO manje inikezwe amandla ngabantu
baseJalimane naseYurophu, amandla okwenza noma

435
00:43:48,110 --> 00:43:54,772
yini abayifunayo. Futhi yilokho abakwenzayo manje.

436
00:43:54,772 --> 00:44:08,000
Bangamemezela isifo esithathelana umhlaba wonke noma nini, futhi
ngalokho bangayalela izinyathelo okufanele zilandelwe noma nini.

437
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:14,960
Kuyohlukunyezwa ngumthetho uma ungakwenzi
lokhu, isigwebo, isigwebo esibi kakhulu.

438
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:26,785
Futhi leli thuluzi lisebenzisa ukungazi
kwabantu, ngoba ulwazi luyamandla, kanti ukungazi

439
00:44:26,785 --> 00:44:33,288
noma ukuntuleka kolwazi kuwukungabi namandla.

440
00:44:33,288 --> 00:44:39,805
Abantu abanamandla ngoba abakuqondi kahle
ukutheleleka, noma abakuqondi ngokwanele. Futhi

441
00:44:39,805 --> 00:44:43,826
abakwazi ukubona iqiniso ngale kokukhohlisa.

442
00:44:43,826 --> 00:44:50,785
Futhi nabo bahlala bengaboni ukuthi phakathi kwalezi
zinkohliso kufihlwe inkohliso embi kunazo zonke,

443
00:44:50,785 --> 00:44:55,868
eyinkohliso mayelana nemijovo yokugoma esekelwe kumagene.

444
00:44:55,868 --> 00:45:06,061
Yebo, angisoze ngikhulume okuningi, kodwa ngizothi enye
yezinhloso eziyinhloko zale ngxoxo ukuheha ukunaka kwabantu

445
00:45:06,061 --> 00:45:15,545
engibathandayo bonke ukuthi empeleni siyiphatha kanjani le ndaba
encwadini ngendlela yokuthi zonke izihloko

446
00:45:15,545 --> 00:45:25,440
ziphathwe ngendlela umuntu onobuhlakani obujwayelekile
angakuqonda. Konke kubhalwe ngendlela elula kangaka.

447
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,333
Benze umsebenzi omangalisayo.

448
00:45:27,333 --> 00:45:38,957
Futhi sathi thina, uma isahluko esisodwa kule ncwadi singadingeka
sifundwe yibo bonke abezindaba, bonke odokotela, bonke abameli –

449
00:45:38,957 --> 00:45:49,597
ngizoshiya abezepolitiki ngaphandle okwamanje, mhlawumbe
akunamsebenzi – khona-ke yilesi sahluko esisodwa, esinamakhasi

450
00:45:49,597 --> 00:45:57,822
ayisishiyagalombili kuphela, esiphathelene
nemijovo esekelwe kumagene – ingozi enkulu kunazo

451
00:45:57,822 --> 00:46:02,949
zonke ebantwini kusukela ekuqaleni kwesikhathi.

452
00:46:02,949 --> 00:46:14,323
Kwathi-ke ngakhuluma noMnu. Kopp, wabe esho ngokushesha ukuthi
"yebo", lesi sahluko esithi "imijovo esekelwe kumagene"

453
00:46:14,323 --> 00:46:25,484
singanikezwa ngokwehlukana kuwebhusayithi ukuze sidawunilodiwe
mahhala kunoma ubani emhlabeni ongafunda isiJalimane.

454
00:46:25,484 --> 00:46:34,063
Futhi yilokho okwenzekile. Ngakho-ke, izinsuku ezimbili
manje, ube nethuba lokufunda lesi sahluko mahhala. Awukhokhi

455
00:46:34,063 --> 00:46:38,392
lutho; okudingeka ukutshalela yihora elilodwa lokufunda.

456
00:46:38,392 --> 00:46:42,933
Futhi ngeke udinge ngaphezu kwehora ukuze wenze
amakhasi ayisishiyagalombili. Kulula kanjalo.

457
00:46:42,933 --> 00:46:54,815
Lokhu kukunika ithuba mhlawumbe
eliyingqayizivele lokuma nokuzivikela wena nabathandekayo bakho.

458
00:46:54,815 --> 00:47:04,042
Ngoba konke okumele ukwenze wukusho "cha" ngazwi linye
futhi uvimbele abezepolitiki ekunikezeni i-WHO lo magunya!

459
00:47:04,042 --> 00:47:10,304
Futhi uma benza kanjalo, uthi "cha"
noma kunjalo bese uthi ngeke sikwenze.

460
00:47:10,304 --> 00:47:17,802
Bheka ukuthi ungasijezisa kanjani izigidi
zethu. Ngoba nabo abakwazi ukwenza lokho.

461
00:47:17,802 --> 00:47:24,058
Ngakho-ke nami ngaqonda incazelo yalo lonke lencwadi,
okuwukuguqula abantu ababeyekisiwe ukwenza izinqumo zabo ube

462
00:47:24,058 --> 00:47:30,095
izakhamuzi ezinobuzibophezelo, ukuze baqonde, okungenani
ngokujwayelekile, ukuthi yiziphi izifo ezithathelana,

463
00:47:30,095 --> 00:47:36,980
yiziphi izinyathelo zokuzivikela, ukuthi kufanele zilinganiswe
kanjani, nokuthi ungabuyisela kanjani ubudlelwano obufanele.

464
00:47:36,980 --> 00:47:39,972
Bengicabanga ukuthi kwenziwe kahle kakhulu encwadini yakhe.

465
00:47:39,972 --> 00:47:44,520
Ukuze futhi kuthiwe khona ukuthi
isayensi iyisiza ekwenzeni izinqumo.

466
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:50,519
Akuyona uNkulunkulu omusha. Akuyona inkolo
esikhundleni sayo, eyayidalwe ingxenye ngenhloso yalokho.

467
00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:56,271
Lowo okuthiwa uchwepheshe angamemezela abantu ukuthi
yini okufanele bayenze nokuthi yini okungafanele bayenze

468
00:47:56,271 --> 00:47:59,854
ukuze bangafi. Futhi ungabona ukuthi akulona iqiniso.

469
00:47:59,854 --> 00:48:03,609
Kodwa kumele ngiphinde engikushilo.

470
00:48:03,609 --> 00:48:08,487
Kuyiqiniso ukuthi sifa ngenxa yesifo
senhliziyo nemithambo yegazi nomdlavuza.

471
00:48:08,487 --> 00:48:14,451
Futhi izifo ezithathelana ngomzimba
azidlali indima yangempela ezibalweni zokufa.

472
00:48:14,451 --> 00:48:20,015
Okuphambene kuhlale kusakazwa, sengathi izifo
ezithathelana ngomzimba ziyisongo sethu esikhulu kunazo zonke.

473
00:48:20,015 --> 00:48:23,388
Manje kugqamile kakhulu ngenxa ye-coronavirus.

474
00:48:23,388 --> 00:48:29,251
Kodwa unyaka ngamunye kugcizelelwa futhi ukuthi ukufa ngenxa
yegciwane lomkhuhlane sekuseduze – izinkulungwane ezingamashumi

475
00:48:29,251 --> 00:48:34,052
amathathu zokufa ngenxa yegciwane lomkhuhlane kuhlala kudabukwa.

476
00:48:34,052 --> 00:48:36,922
Uma ubheka ngokucophelela, akukho kulokho okuyiqiniso nhlobo.

477
00:48:36,922 --> 00:48:44,399
Kunalokho, lezi zibalo ezingu-30 000 noma ezingu-40 000
ziyisamba nje sokwehlukanisa ukufa ehlobo nokufa ebusika.

478
00:48:44,399 --> 00:48:48,683
Noma ngabe ngesizathu sini, abantu abaningi bafa ebusika.

479
00:48:48,683 --> 00:48:54,738
Futhi noma yini esele ngemva kokususwa kwalesi
sibalo ibalwa nje njengokufa okubangelwa

480
00:48:54,738 --> 00:48:59,512
i-influenza ukuze kugqugquzelwe ukugoma i-flu futhi.

481
00:48:59,512 --> 00:49:04,284
Futhi uma ubheka iRobert Koch Institute ukuze ubone ukuthi
bangaki abantu abafa ngempela ngenxa ye-influenza – futhi

482
00:49:04,284 --> 00:49:08,809
i-influenza iyisifo okumele simemezele, ngakho-ke
izinombolo zingathembeka kakhulu – uthola inombolo enezibalo

483
00:49:08,809 --> 00:49:12,860
ezintathu. Ngakho-ke cishe akekho ofayo ngenxa ye-influenza.

484
00:49:15,147 --> 00:49:18,775
Ngakho-ke, isimemezelo sesenziwe, siphindwa
njalo, thatha umjovo wokugoma i-flu, ngoba

485
00:49:18,775 --> 00:49:21,395
ngaphandle kwalokho abantu abangama-30 000 bazofa.

486
00:49:21,395 --> 00:49:30,032
Sithi ukufa okuvamile nokufa okuhlanzekile okungempela
okungabangelwa iflu, okungaba ngu-300, 400, okuthile okunjalo?

487
00:49:30,032 --> 00:49:34,121
100 kuya ku-200 – ngesizini ngayinye. Yebo.

488
00:49:34,121 --> 00:49:41,028
Kodwa kufanele futhi kuqondwe ukuthi le
nkemba yokugoma iflu, ukusebenza kwayo kunqunywa

489
00:49:41,028 --> 00:49:45,186
ngokukala ama-antibodies, ayinangqondo nhlobo.

490
00:49:45,186 --> 00:49:54,204
Leli pharamitha elibi kuphela alinciphi kalula.

491
00:49:54,204 --> 00:49:59,527
Yebo, ngisho ukuthi ukusebenza kwakho kuthiwa
cishe kungama-50%, kushintshashintsha phakathi

492
00:49:59,527 --> 00:50:03,693
kuka-40 no-60%. Khohlwani ngalokho, bantu. Akuyona into.

493
00:50:03,693 --> 00:50:12,622
Awukwazi ukuvaksina izigidi zabantu ngomuthi
wokugoma ongaba yingozi ngenhloso yokwehlisa

494
00:50:12,622 --> 00:50:19,370
impendulo yamabhowuni ngamaphesenti angama-50. Uyahlanya?

495
00:50:19,370 --> 00:50:23,104
Ngivame ukubona iziguli ezithola umkhuhlane
ngemva kokuthola umjovo wokugoma umkhuhlane.

496
00:50:23,104 --> 00:50:24,586
Impela.

497
00:50:24,586 --> 00:50:28,116
Kodwa yilokho okubonakala lapho ngimtshela, "Unomkhuhlane."

498
00:50:28,116 --> 00:50:34,335
Cha, Dokotela, akunjalo. Ngithole umjovo
wokugoma. Kumele kube okuthile okunye.

499
00:50:34,335 --> 00:50:36,740
Yebo. Ngakho-ke, singafingqa nje.

500
00:50:36,740 --> 00:50:41,499
Encwadini yakho ubhala ukuthi izifo zingaba
yingozi. Kodwa akujwayelekile yini namuhla?

501
00:50:41,499 --> 00:50:42,399
Cha ngokuvamile.

502
00:50:42,399 --> 00:50:47,782
Cha, ngokuvamile akunjalo. Kukhona nje ukudala ukwesaba ngenhloso
okwenziwa izishoshovu zezepolitiki kanye neziteshi zezindaba.

503
00:50:47,782 --> 00:50:51,501
Bathi kungenxa yezizathu
zobukapitalisti, kodwa mhlawumbe kukhona ezinye.

504
00:50:51,501 --> 00:50:54,292
Isayensi empeleni ingumhlahlandlela.

505
00:50:54,292 --> 00:50:58,181
Ubuyisela lokho phambili, ukuthi kumele sifinyelele
emaphethelweni zezinto ngokujulile nangokuphelele.

506
00:50:58,181 --> 00:51:00,725
Lowo uthi okubalulekile nokungabalulekile.

507
00:51:00,725 --> 00:51:04,197
Akufanele umuntu agxile nje
emininingwaneni ethile futhi akhohlwe eminye.

508
00:51:04,197 --> 00:51:08,012
Ungakufanele wenze intaba ngomgodi omncane,
futhi ungakufanele wenze umgodi omncane ngentaba.

509
00:51:08,012 --> 00:51:11,940
Futhi abantu kufanele futhi
bakwazi ukwenza izinqumo zabo ngolwazi.

510
00:51:11,940 --> 00:51:18,080
Ekugcineni kwesahluko ngasinye mayelana nokugoma, bahlale
bekhuthaza wonke umuntu ukuthi azifundise ukuze enze

511
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,488
isinqumo sakhe, futhi ukuphoqelelwa akufanele kusetshenziswe.

512
00:51:21,488 --> 00:51:27,640
Ngoba, njengoba utsho, kuyithuluzi labo abasemandleni.

513
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,809
Ingabe kukhona okunye ongathanda
ukukusho kubabukeli ngaphambi kokuba siqede?

514
00:51:31,809 --> 00:51:34,006
Ngaphandle nje, vele, kwesiphakamiso sokuthenga incwadi yakho.

515
00:51:34,006 --> 00:51:38,754
Lokho kubhalwe kahle kakhulu, kulula kakhulu ukuqonda.

516
00:51:38,754 --> 00:51:42,643
Ngakwazi ukuyiqonda kahle kakhulu
ezinsukwini ezimbalwa nje. Bekuyintokozo ukuyifunda.

517
00:51:42,643 --> 00:51:48,841
Kodwa ngiyavuma, ngifuna ngisho ngempela ukuthi
angifuni lokhu kube uhlelo lokuthengisa izincwadi, yebo.

518
00:51:48,841 --> 00:51:53,962
Asizange sibhale le ncwadi ukuze abantu
abaningi ngangokunokwenzeka bayithenge.

519
00:51:53,962 --> 00:51:57,417
Siyibhale ukuze abantu abaningi
ngangokunokwenzeka bafunde le ncwadi.

520
00:51:57,417 --> 00:52:04,614
Indlela ozoyithola ngayo le ncwadi
ikunye nawe. Akudingeki ukuthi uyithenge.

521
00:52:04,614 --> 00:52:11,132
Kodwa kumele ubuze, ezitolo zezincwadi
isibonelo, uma ufuna ukuboleka incwadi.

522
00:52:11,132 --> 00:52:21,791
Futhi esithemba ngempela ukuthi le ncwadi izokhanga
nezinye izinkonzo, njengothisha – othisha babalulekile

523
00:52:21,791 --> 00:52:27,643
kakhulu kuleli, kumele bazi kabanzi ngezifo, ngempela.

524
00:52:27,643 --> 00:52:37,909
Ngoba lokho abakwenzayo manje ezikoleni, noma
abakwenzile, akunendaba nezingane zethu. Lokho akwamukeleki.

525
00:52:37,909 --> 00:52:47,539
Futhi ukukholwa nje kukho konke okuvela kwezinye
iziphathimandla zikahulumeni akuyona indlela eya esikhathini

526
00:52:47,539 --> 00:52:53,623
esizayo esinethemba. Leso isikhathi esizayo esingenathemba.

527
00:52:53,623 --> 00:53:03,826
Besifuna ukunika ithemba. Futhi ngale ncwadi,
besifuna ukukunika ulwazi, ukubeka amandla ezandleni zakho.

528
00:53:03,826 --> 00:53:08,701
Ungangena kanjani emandleni – kufanele
nje ufunde incwadi, yilokho kuphela.

529
00:53:08,701 --> 00:53:15,490
Futhi ngiyacela, okungenani funda isahluko esingabizi lutho.

530
00:53:15,490 --> 00:53:25,396
Ngakolunye uhlangothi, mhlawumbe igama elilodwa
lokugcina. Sisesinhlanganweni ebizwa ngokuthi i-MWGFD.

531
00:53:25,396 --> 00:53:36,044
Futhi le nhlangano iyihlangano lochwepheshe
bezokwelapha nososayensi, bonke abakhuluma isiJalimane.

532
00:53:36,044 --> 00:53:43,570
Futhi sizibophezele – konke kungenziwa ngokuzithandela,
akekho phakathi kwethu olithola ngisho ipeni ngalokho.

533
00:53:43,570 --> 00:53:48,638
Futhi bangodokotela nososayensi abavelele kakhulu kakhulu.

534
00:53:48,638 --> 00:53:53,917
Yena (uDkt. Köhnlein) naye ubambe iqhaza iminyaka eminingi.

535
00:53:53,917 --> 00:54:04,900
Sasungula futhi sahlela i-Pathological Institute
ka-Arne Burckhardt. Wayengomunye wamalungu enhlangano yethu.

536
00:54:04,900 --> 00:54:08,697
Futhi uyazi ukuthi wenza umsebenzi wokuqala.

537
00:54:08,697 --> 00:54:15,479
Umsebenzi manje osebonwa ngokuzumayo
emhlabeni jikelele. Konke kuvela eJalimane.

538
00:54:15,479 --> 00:54:19,999
Lapho u-Arne Burckhardt eshona, sasisesimweni esiphuthumayo.

539
00:54:19,999 --> 00:54:23,505
Asikwazanga ukwenza noma yiziphi
ezinye izivivinyo zomgudu wokugaya.

540
00:54:23,505 --> 00:54:29,966
Kodwa sesimisile elinye ilabhorethri ngenhloso yalokhu,
ebizwa ngokuthi "Isikhungo Sokuxilonga Ngama-Molekyuli".

541
00:54:29,966 --> 00:54:35,138
Futhi iphathwa futhi ngamalungu enhlangano yethu.

542
00:54:35,138 --> 00:54:41,294
Ngakho-ke, ekuqaleni inhlangano yethu
yayingeyona inzuzo, kodwa ngemva konyaka owodwa,

543
00:54:41,294 --> 00:54:46,052
ngo-2021, isimo sayo sokungeyona inzuzo sasuswa.

544
00:54:46,052 --> 00:54:51,897
Lokhu kusho ukuthi asikwazi ukunikeza irisidi
yokunikela. Le nhlangano ithembele ezinikelweni.

545
00:54:51,897 --> 00:55:00,429
Sizojabula kakhulu uma ungacabanga ukwenza
umnikelo enhlanganweni nase-Inmodia Institute .

546
00:55:00,429 --> 00:55:06,263
Lokho kungangenza ngijabule kakhulu.

547
00:55:06,263 --> 00:55:10,075
Ngiyabonga kakhulu ngomsebenzi wakho kule ncwadi enkulu!

548
00:55:10,075 --> 00:55:12,796
Yebo, ngiyabonga kakhulu futhi ngale ngxoxo.

549
00:55:12,796 --> 00:55:16,088
Ngiyethemba ukuthi izosatshalaliswa kabanzi!

550
00:55:16,088 --> 00:55:16,637
Sala kahle.

551
00:55:16,637 --> 00:55:19,674
Yebo, ngiyabonga! Sala kahle.

552
00:55:19,674 --> 00:55:25,041
Kla.TV idinga usizo lwakho! Sebenzisa
inketho yokwabelana engezansi kohlelo.

553
00:55:25,041 --> 00:55:32,220
Itemplate ye-imeyili eqediwe ikusiza ukufinyelela emjikelezweni
wakho wangasese wabamukeli. Ngaphandle kokuvinjelwa kwe-spam.

554
00:55:32,220 --> 00:55:36,502
Umnikelo wami ekuguquleni umhlaba
ngokuchofoza okukodwa nje. Akukaze kube lula kangaka.