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"Ukungazi noma ukuntuleka kolwazi kuwukungabi namandla."

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Abantu abanamandla ngoba abaqondi izifo, noma abangazi kahle
ngokwanele. Futhi abakwazi ukubona iqiniso ngale kokukhohlisa.

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"Inkinga ukuthi izifo ezithathelana ngomzimba
zingaba nzuzo enkulu kakhulu, okungaziwa abantu abaningi."

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Ngiyamukela ngokufudumele uProfesa Gqr.
Bhakdi noGqr. Köhnlein engxoxweni yethu ye-Kla.TV.

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Siyajabula ukukwamukela futhi.

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Bobabili babengakhulumi engqungqutheleni yokulwa
nokuvinjelwa kokukhuluma ngezihloko ezibalulekile kwezokwelapha.

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Futhi nina bobabili naba nochwepheshe bokuqala ukukhuluma
ngesikhathi senhlekelele ye-coronavirus, lapho kungekho noyedwa

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kithi owayekwazi ngempela ukuqonda okwakwenzeka ezungezile.

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Bavele kamuva ku-Kla.TV, ngomhlaka 15 nango-30 Mashi 2020 –
ezinhlelweni eziboniswe , kwalandela ezinye izingxoxo kamuva.

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Kubabukeli abangakakwazi ngawe okwamanje: Dkt. Köhnlein,
unguchwepheshe kwezokwelapha kwangaphakathi kanye

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nezokwelapha kwezemidlalo futhi usebenze iminyaka eminingi
njengodokotela wangaphakathi empilweni yakho yomsebenzi.

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Prof. Dr. Bhakdi, uselolonga abafundi bezokwelapha iminyaka
eminingi njengoprofesa nesihlalo se-Institute of Medical

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Microbiology and Hygiene eNyuvesi yaseJohannes Gutenberg eMainz.

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Wawuyinhloko yomhleli wejenali yezokwelapha iMedical Microbiology
and Immunology futhi uthole imiklomelo eminingi kakhulu

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ngomsebenzi wakho wocwaningo, ngaleyo ndlela wandisa
ukuqonda kwethu okuyisisekelo ngesistimu yokuzivikela komzimba.

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Wena nomkakho (Prof. Bhakdi) nipapashe incwadi entsha noDkt.
Reiß enesihloko esithi: "Ukuqonda ukutheleleka – esikhundleni

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sokukwesaba. Izinganekwane, amaphupho angamanga neqiniso".

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Umbuzo wami wokuqala: Profesa Bhakdi,
yini ekugqugquzele ukuthi ubhale le ncwadi?

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Ngempela, ngashicilela incwadi
nomkami eminyakeni eyishumi edlule.

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Kwabizwa ngokuthi "Isithunzi sezinhlobo
zokutheleleka. Izinganekwane, amaphupho angamanga neqiniso."

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Futhi ngaleso sikhathi sabhala incwadi ngoba
ngangithathe umhlalaphansi, nomkami wangitshela:

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Kufanele ubhale phansi izinkulumo zakho zomphakathi jikelele.

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Konke abantu kuleli abakufunayo nalokho
abakudingayo ukwazi mayelana nezifo zokutheleleka.

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Okungukuthi, iqiniso, bese ukhomba lokho okungeyona
iqiniso, okungukuthi izinganekwane. Futhi yilokho engikwenzile.

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Futhi le ncwadi yayisemakethe iminyaka eyishumi.

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Akuzange kuthengiswe kahle, kodwa kulungile.

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Kodwa lapho nginikeze isifinyezo sazo zonke izifo
ezithathelana ezibalulekile kuleli. Indlela yokuzivimbela.

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Kungani amanye amabhaktheriya namagciwane
eyingozi? Kungani amanye engabi yingozi?

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Basenza sibe nesifo kanjani? Futhi singavimbela kanjani lokhu?

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Futhi lokhu kwakuphoqelekile ukuthi
kufake phakathi ukubhekana nodaba lokugoma.

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Ukuze udaba lokugoma lulungiswe ngokuphelele kubo bonke.

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Kwabe sekuza i-COVID-19. Futhi ukuze ngifingqe indaba ende:

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Ngemva kweminyaka emihlanu ye-COVID-19, ngaqaphela ukuthi
okwabhalwe kithi encwadini yokuqala kwakudingeka kubuyekezwe.

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Futhi ngokuphuthuma. Ngoba ngokusobala
angizange ngidlulisele ulwazi oluqinile ngempela lapho.

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Bengiphutha. Ngoba angizange ngizifundise ngokwanele.

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Ngifundise lesi sifundo iminyaka engaphezu kwengu-20.

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Futhi ngaleso sikhathi ngaqaphela ukuthi kwakukhona
izinto eziyisisekelo engangingazazi, izinto ezingalungile.

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Futhi uyazi, umama wami wayenguthisha wami wokuqala.

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Wayengudokotela. Wangitshela ngisemncane –
ngangazi ukuthi ngifuna ukuba udokotela.

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Wathi, "Uzoba udokotela. Khumbula,
udokotela akufanele abe nesaba lutho. Lutho."

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Kukhona into eyodwa kuphela, ukuthi wenza iphutha.

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Ukusho okuthile okungalungile
maqondana nokwelashwa kwezokwelapha.

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Futhi uma wenza lokho, kufanele uqinisekise ukuthi uyakulungisa.

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Futhi yilokho engikutshele umkami
ukuthi kumele siphinde sikhiphe le ncwadi.

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Futhi sidinga ukwenza izithuthukisi
ukuze kunikezwe izinga elifanele lolwazi.

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Futhi ngaleso sikhathi sasiyizihlobo zakhe,
uKlaus (uDkt. Köhnlein), izihlobo ezisondelene.

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Ngathi, kunomuntu lapha owaveza ukungabaza kwakhe
ngalesi sihloko emashumini eminyaka edlule, futhi usalapha.

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Futhi uhlale elungile.
Asingamcele yini ukuthi ahlanganyele nathi?

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Futhi yilokho okwenzekile. Wathi, "Yebo, impela!"

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Ngakho-ke ungumbhali wesithathu wencwadi
entsha, eyashicilelwa izolo ngaphambi kwesho.

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Njengodokotela wangaphakathi,
angizange ngibe nomsebenzi omningi wokugoma.

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Angizange ngiqale ngempela ukucabanga
ngemijovo yokugoma kuze kube sekuba nezingane.

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Futhi indodakazi yami yokuqala yayizothola
umjovo we-BCG ngokushesha ngemva kokuzalwa.

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Kwathi-ke ngazizwa ngaphakathi
ngathi: Asifuni ukwenza lokho manje.

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Angiboni ngempela i-tuberculosis njengengozi kwendodakazi yami.

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Ngaleso sikhathi, bengingazi ukuthi bekukhona ucwaningo ngomjovo
we-BCG lapho empeleni benza khona isivivinyo

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esilawulwa nge-placebo ukuhlola umjovo
we-BCG, okuyinto engavamile emkhakheni wokugoma.

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Lokho kwakuseNdiya, lapho bagonyela khona inani elikhulu
labantu futhi bashiya inani elikhulu labantu bengagonyelwanga.

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Futhi umphumela waba ukuthi iqembu labantu abagonyelwe lalina
izifo ze-tuberculosis ze-BCG eziningi kunalabo abangagonyelwanga.

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Lokhu kamuva kwashicilelwa kabanzi kuThe Lancet
ngesihloko esithi "Izindaba Ezimbi Ezivela eNdiya".

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Futhi ngikholelwa ukuthi kwathatha eminye iminyaka eyishumi
nantathu ngemuva kokushicilelwa kwalokhu

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ngaphambi kokuba odokotela bezingane
baseJalimane bazimisele ukuyeka ukunikeza le mjekelo.

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Futhi indodakazi yami yokuqala yayisazoyithola.

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Ngesikhathi sesibili, ngangisephenduke ngibe nokugxeka
okwengeziwe, ngakho ngabuza, kuthiwani ngomjovo we-BCG?

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Kwaphendula ngokuzonda okukhulu:
Cha, asikakwenzi lokho isikhathi eside.

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Kuhle kakhulu. Masibuyele emuva.

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Izinkulungwane zeminyaka, izifo
nezinsongo zibe yisithunzi kubantu.

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Kwaba nezifo ezisabalele: iphlaga, ikholera
netuberculosis kwakuyizimbangela ezinkulu zokufa.

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Khona-ke, ekuqaleni kwekhulu lama-20,
lezi zifo zehla ngokushesha okukhulu.

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Futhi namuhla, ukushayela imoto kuyingozi kakhulu kunokutholwa
isifo se-measles noma ngisho ne-tetanus esesabekayo.

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Kodwa ukwesaba izifo ezithathelana abantu kusamile,
njengoba sibonile ngesikhathi sobhubhane we-coronavirus.

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Ungasitshela mhlawumbe okuthile ngokuthi kungani kunjalo?

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Inkinga ithi izifo ezithathelana, abantu
abaningi abangazi, zingaba nzuzo enkulu kakhulu

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futhi zikhiqize inzuzo engaphezu kwengqondo.

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Ezifweni ezithathelana, kuhlala kunezilinganiso
zamasosha omzimba, kunezilinganiso zaselebhorethri,

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futhi namuhla kunezidakamizwa ezilwa namagciwane.

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Futhi yilowo mbono owangenza ngavela esigcawini.

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Ngaleso sikhathi, kwakuyinkinga ye-AIDS eyayibonakala
iyingozi kakhulu ngenxa yokwelashwa ngokweqile okukhulu.

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Empeleni, ngaleso sikhathi kwakuyinhlekelele ye-ACT nje.

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Kwakuyileli muthi wokulwa namagciwane, owafika emakethe
ngokweqile kunokuba kuxazululwe inkinga ye-AIDS uqobo.

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Lokho empeleni kwakubangelwa kuphela yiziyindilinga ezincane.

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Kodwa udaba lwe-AIDS, njengoba
ngishilo, kwakuyinhlekelele enkulu ye-ACT.

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Futhi njengoba lokho sekungasekho, izinto sezithule.

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Kodwa i-CDC, iziphathimandla zokulawula
izifo, zaphotha izifo ngaleso sikhathi.

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Futhi i-AIDS yayiyintambo yokusinda, uma kungathiwa kanjalo.

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Ngemva kwe-polio nesifo sempuphu,
kwakungekho lutho olusele ukwenza.

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Kwabe sekukhona "i-legionnaires' pneumonia" , eyakhuliswa
ngokweqile yaba yisifo esisabalele kodwa empeleni ingesiyo.

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Kwakuyiqoqo nje labalwela-mbuso asebekhulile,
abaningi babo abangaphilanga kahle, behlangana ndawonye,

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bejabulela, besela utshwala futhi beshaya ugwayi kakhulu.

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Kanti kamuva, abambalwa babo bathola i-pneumonia.

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Kodwa-ke i-CDC yafika yathola ibhaktheriya eyayingakaze yaziwe
ngaphambilini, yamibiza ngokufanele ngokuthi "Legionella

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pneumophila" futhi yenza ukuthi ibe isimbangela somkhuhlane
we-Legionnaires, nakuba imbangela yangempela

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kwakuwukuthi izinhlelo zokuzivikela zomzimba
zabantu abathintekile zazibuthakathaka nje.

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Futhi yilokho ngokuvamile okuyinkinga yezifo
ezithathelana: azikwazi ngempela ukusilimaza inqobo nje uma

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uhlelo lwethu lokuzivikela lomzimba lusebenza kahle.

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Futhi lapho kuba buthakathaka,
okuthile okufana nalokhu kungase kwenzeke.

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Khona-ke ungathola izifo.

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Futhi ikakhulukazi uma kukhulunywa nge-AIDS,
uma izidakamizwa zisetshenziswa kabi,

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ungathola okwaziwa ngokuthi izifo ezisebenzisa ithuba.

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Lezi yizifo ozithola kuphela lapho amandla akho
okuvikela umzimba esezinga eliphansi kakhulu.

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Yebo, ngithanda ukwengeza okuthile kulokho.

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Inkinga ithi izifo ezinkulu zasabalala ngenxa
yamagciwane ayekwazi ukusabalala kalula kakhulu.

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Ngokomgomo, kwakukhona kuphela izindlela
ezimbili zokwenza lokhu: noma ngamanzi noma ngomoya.

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Lokhu kusho ukuthi uma kusatshalaliswa emoyeni,
kudluliselwa kumuntu kumuntu ngokukhohlela nangokuthimeka.

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Ngesikhathi kwakukhona i-plague, abantu abane-plague
bakhwehlela abanye, kwathi amagciwane asabalala emoyeni.

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Izinqubo nezindlela zokutheleleka kwezifo
eziningi ezibaluleke ngempela manje sezaziwa.

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Kuyaziwa ukuthi amanzi kumele alashwe,
yingakho sekungekho kholera. Sekungekho kholera.

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Kuyaziwa ukuthi uma umuntu ekhohlela futhi eneplaga,
khona-ke umuntu okhohlelwe kuye kumele anikezwe ama-antibiotics.

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Manje sekungasekho isifo seplague, ngoba siyazi ukuthi isifo
seplague sidluliselwa kanjani, okungukuthi

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ngamagundane namagundane amancane, futhi
lapho kungekho magundane, akukho isifo seplague.

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Lapho kunesifo seplague namaphilisi okulwa
nezifo, isifo seplague asikwazi ukudluliselwa.

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Nokho, lokhu kusho ukuthi ngenxa yokuthi izindlela
sezaziwa, umuntu uyazi ukuthi angavimbela kanjani okuthile.

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Futhi lokhu kuvimbela akusihlali kuhilela
ukugonywa, kodwa kuphela ezimweni ezingavamile.

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Ngithanda ukwenza into eyodwa icace:

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Akunjalo ukuthi, ngoba i-tetanus isiba
yinto engavamile lapha, isibonelo, ayiyingozi.

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I-tetanus isengozini ngokufanayo namuhla
njengoba yayinjalo eminyakeni eyikhulu edlule.

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Kuyingozi ngokufanayo. Futhi lapho kwenzeka, abantu basengozini.

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Ngakho-ke, manje ngifika endabeni ebaluleke kakhulu,
okungukuthi ukugoma. Kungani kwadingeka sibuyekeze kangaka?

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Ngoba ngabona mathupha ukuthi izinsika ezintathu
okufanele isincomo sokugoma sisekelwe kuzo – ngaphambi kokuba

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senziwe isincomo sokugoma – yilezi: Okokuqala, isidingo.

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Kudingeka nini ngempela ukugoma?
Lapho isifo siyingozi ngempela empilweni.

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Uma isifo singasongeli ukuphila,
akudingeki ukugoma. Futhi kufanele usishiye nje.

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Isigxobo esisodwa akufanele sibe
singekho. Isigxobo sesibili ukusebenza kahle.

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Ukusebenza kahle kusho ukuthi inani labantu
abagulayo kakhulu nalabashonile kumele lehliswe kakhulu.

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Manje cabanga ukuthi sinokutheleleka okungabangeli ukufa.

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Noma kuncane kangangokuba akwenzeki nhlobo ukunciphisa.

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Isibonelo – umkhuhlane wengane isibonelo esihle kakhulu,
ngendlela – abantu abashona ngomkhuhlane

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wengane esikhathini esedlule bashona ngezizathu
ezifanayo nalabo abashona ngomkhuhlane we-influenza.

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Babethwele amagciwane. Kwakuyisifo
esengeziwe esibangelwa amagciwane esababulala abantu.

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Kodwa lesi sifo esengeziwe sabagciwane
singelashwa ngempumelelo kakhulu namuhla.

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Futhi yingakho, ngokomgomo, kungekho ukufa ngenxa yomkhuhlane
wama-measles kubantu abathola ukunakekelwa

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kwezempilo okuhle nabantu abanempilo
abanezizukulwane zokuzivikela zomzimba ezijwayelekile.

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Yingakho-ke kungekho ndlela yokukala izinzuzo.

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Futhi lapho kungekho nzuzo, kunengozi kuphela.

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Futhi kuhlale kuneingozi lapho uthola
umjovo wokugoma. Ngesikhathi sonke.

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Ngoba, njengoba uKlaus esho, lezi zitofu zokugoma aziyona into
eyodwa kuphela, kodwa zihlala ziyinhlanganisela yezinto eziningi,

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futhi le nhlanganisela ihlale iqukethe izinto ezingaba yingozi.

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Futhi noma ubani ophika lokhu, ngokomgomo,
kufanele ngokushesha angabi semthethweni .

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Akamvunyelwe ukunikeza izeluleko noma ukwenza izincomo zokugoma.

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Ngoba uma kungekho nzuzo, futhi ngithi uma inzuzo ingu-zero,
nge-coronavirus, njengoba sazi namuhla futhi

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njengoba sekusunguliwe, ingozi yokufa kubantu abangaphansi
kweminyaka engu-65 cishe ingu-zero. Cishe ingu-zero.

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Uma inzuzo ingu-zero, khona-ke yonke ingozi, noma
ingu-ngu-yodwa kwizigidi noma eyodwa

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kwizigidigidi, uma ihlukaniswa ngu-zero, iba ingenamkhawulo.

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NginguThai. Yebo, ngifunde lokho esikoleni.

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Noma yini ehlukaniswe ngo-zero ayinamkhawulo.

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Khona-ke isilinganiso sengcuphe nenzuzo
asinamkhawulo. Futhi lokho akwamukeleki.

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Ngakho-ke. Ukusebenza kumele kufakazelwe, futhi njengoba uKlaus
esho futhi njengoba nathi sichaze encwadini,

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ukusebenza kungafakazelwa kuphela uma
unamanani okufa kwabantu abagonyiwe nabangagonywanga.

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Futhi lezi zinombolo azikho kunoma yiluphi
uhlobo lokugoma emhlabeni – kunoma yiluphi.

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Manje ake sibuyele endabeni yokulingana.

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Akukho tetanus lapha. Kodwa ngingakutshela ukuthi
eMhlabeni Wesithathu, e-Afrika, eThailand, kukhona i-tetanus.

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Futhi ngangiseThailand ekliniki yokugoma
i-tetanus, ngabona abantu besifa kabi ngenxa ye-tetanus.

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Isifo sesibili esingazuza ekugonyweni yi-rabies.

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Futhi ngisho lokhu ngoba kufanele kucace ukuthi
mina naye nomkami asisilo abaphikisi bokugoma.

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Asiphikisi ukugoma, kodwa sithi ukugoma kunengqondo ngempela
lapho kudingeka khona, ngoba izinga lokubulala

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nelokufa liphezulu kakhulu – i-tetanus
ingaphezu kuka-50%, umuntu wesibili onetetanus uyofa.

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I-rabies namuhla cishe ibulala amaphesenti angu-100.
Lokhu kusho ukuthi noma ubani one-rabies uyofa uma

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kungathathwa zinyathelo, futhi akukho ukwelashwa okutholakalayo.

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Ukwethulwa kwemijovo empeleni kuyatholakala
lapha kubo bobabili. Futhi le mijozo iyasebenza.

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Futhi yilokho esikubalisa futhi esikuchazayo encwadini yethu.

16:19.604 --> 16:24.520
Ukuze kucace kubo bonke lapho ukugoma kunconywa – yebo.

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Futhi hhayi nje ukuthi yebo, kodwa
siyancoma ngenhliziyo yonke, ngoba ingasindisa

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izimpilo – futhi, ngakolunye uhlangothi, kumele.

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Uma udokotela engazi ukuthi ungagonyelwa i-tetanus –
futhi, okubaluleke kakhulu, ukuthi ungagonywa kanjani.

16:39.567 --> 16:46.753
Futhi lapha, njengoba kuchazwe encwadini,
akukhona nje ukugoma okwenziwa lapha ngomuthi

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wokugoma okukhuthaza ukwakheka kwamakhala omzimba.

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Kukhona futhi okwaziwa ngokuthi ukuvikelwa
ngokungaqondile. Lokhu kuhilela ukunikezwa kwamabhowuni

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avikelayo asele esilungiselelwe abantu asebevikelwe.

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Futhi lezi zimelana zitholakala ku-tetanus
nakwi-rabies. Futhi ziyasebenza, ziyasebenza ngempela!

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Futhi lezi empeleni azinazo
imiphumela emibi enzima ngoba zihlanzekile.

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Ziyizivikeli zomzimba eziqotho, azikho izithasiselo.

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Ngakho-ke, bengifuna ukwenza kucace ngokuphelele
ukuthi angiphikisani nokugoma, kodwa ngithi

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isilinganiso sengcuphe nenzuzo kumele sibe sokufanele.

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Unikeza izahluko eziyisikhombisa encwadini yakho esihlokweni
sokugoma, okujwayele ukubhekwa njengempumelelo enkulu

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kunazo zonke kanye nesikhali esinamandla kakhulu sokulwa nezifo.

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Usukhulume ngalokhu kakade. Futhi labo abasekela ukugoma
bazophikisa ukuthi zonke izifo ezithathelana ngomzimba seziyehla.

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Akuyona yini ubufakazi bokuthi umjovo wokugoma usebenza kahle?

17:56.609 --> 18:01.793
Yebo, lokho kuyiphuzu
elibalulekile engangifuna ukukubhekana nakho.

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Ngemva kokuhlola udaba lokugoma, ngathola
incwadi kaMnu. Buchwald enesihloko esilula nesingasoze

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sakhohlwa esithi "Ugomo – Ibhizinisi Lokwesaba".

18:11.834 --> 18:18.056
Futhi uBuchwald wenze umsebenzi olula
kakhulu futhi okhumbulekayo kakhulu lapha.

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Wadweba wonke amadatha ezibalo atholakala
eHhovisi Lezibalo Likazwelonke mayelana nezifo

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ezithathelana, wabe eselokhu ebhala phezulu usuku lokugoma.

18:27.033 --> 18:34.681
Kwabe sekucaca kakhulu ukuthi kuwo wonke umkhuhlane
osulelayo, ukwehla okukhulu kwezifo ezithathelana ngaso kwenzeka

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ngaso sonke isikhathi ngaphambi kokwethulwa kokugoma ngobuningi.

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Lokhu kukhombisa ngokuqinile ukuthi ukwehla kwezifo
ezithathelana ngomzimba akubangelwa umthelela

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wokugoma, kodwa kunalokho kubangelwa ezinye izinyathelo.

18:50.309 --> 18:56.684
Futhi lokho nje yindlela yokuphila
engcono esinayo ngesikhathi ngemva kwempi.

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Ungabona futhi ngokusobala ukuthi ithuberculosis
yanyuka yehla kanjani phakathi neminyaka yempi.

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Ngakho-ke lokhu kuhlobene nokuthi abantu
babesulala indlala, bebanda futhi bephila ezimweni

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ezimbi, okwavumela izifo ezithathelana ukusabalala.

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Izimo zokuphila zazibalulekile, izimo zokuphila.

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Yebo.

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Futhi imboni yezemithi ithi okuphambene
nalokho. Ithi sinesimo esihle ngoba siyagonywa.

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Kodwa idatha yezibalo ikhombisa ngokusobala ukuthi lokhu akuwona
iqiniso, ngakho-ke le mpikiswano, esolokhu isetshenziswa ngelinye

19:32.722 --> 19:38.045
uhlangothi, yokuthi abaphikisi bemijovo noma abagxeki
bemijovo bangabantu abangaziphathi emphakathini abaziphilisa

19:38.045 --> 19:42.290
ngokusiza kwabanye ngaphandle kokubonga, empeleni ayisekelwanga.

19:42.290 --> 19:49.455
Ngaphezu kwakho konke, manje sesibonile ngokugomela i-coronavirus
ukuthi kwakungekho ukuvikelwa kwabanye nhlobo, ngakho-ke

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le nkulumo eyayihlala iphakanyiswa ayinasisekelo nhlobo.

19:53.321 --> 19:56.108
Inhloso yokugoma ukukhiqiza ama-antibodi.

19:56.108 --> 19:59.099
Lokho kulindeleke ukuthi kube ubufakazi bokuthi umjovo usebenze.

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Yilokho abantu abakushoyo.

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Yebo, ingabe lokho kuyiphuzu elibaluleke
kakhulu uma kukhulunywa ngokuvikela komzimba?

20:03.848 --> 20:12.663
Cha, impela kuyisiphukuphuku ukusho
ukuthi konke kusekelwe kuma-antibodies.

20:12.663 --> 20:17.913
Yini ama-antibodies? Asebenza kanjani? Futhi uhlelo
lokuzivikela komzimba lusebenza kanjani ngokujwayelekile?

20:17.913 --> 20:24.889
Akekho owaziyo, ngoba cishe akufundiswa emkhakheni wezokwelapha.

20:24.889 --> 20:32.186
Odokotela baba odokotela ngaphandle
kokuthola ulwazi oluyisisekelo lwe-immunology.

20:32.186 --> 20:37.771
Njengoba ngifundise lesi sifundo kusukela ku-A kuya ku-Z iminyaka
engaphezu kwengu-20, abafundi eMainz

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kwakudingeka bazi okuningi kakhulu, kungenjalo
bebengaphumeleli ekuhlolweni. Nabona babekwazi lokho.

20:44.524 --> 20:51.060
Cha, kunezingalo nezinsika ezahlukene zohlelo
lokuzivikela komzimba, futhi sesizichazile zonke.

20:51.060 --> 20:53.654
Azikho eziningi, kodwa kufanele uzazi.

20:53.654 --> 20:57.700
Yizicubu zokuzivikela komzimba,
bese kuba yizicubu, ama-lymphocyte .

20:57.700 --> 21:06.175
Futhi ngokuvamile, ama-antibodies angasebenza kuphela ekulweni
nezibulala-mzimba ngoba izibulala-mzimba zincane

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futhi ama-antibodies nawo mancane, futhi
ama-antibodies angazibamba izibulala-mzimba lapho zikhona.

21:14.285 --> 21:19.800
Okungukuthi, izinto eziyingozi ezikule
gazi, ngoba ama-antibodi ikakhulu akule gazi.

21:19.800 --> 21:24.810
Ngakho-ke, isebenza kuphela uma itokisini ithuthwa ngegazi.

21:24.810 --> 21:30.083
Isibonelo, itokisini ekhiqizwa ngumbungu we-tetanus.

21:30.083 --> 21:36.067
Futhi yilapho ama-antibodi angabamba khona futhi
ame, okusho ukuthi angayeka futhi angayi phambili.

21:36.067 --> 21:44.935
Ngaphandle kwalokho, ama-antibodi
angavimbela amagciwane kuphela uma ekhona egazini.

21:44.935 --> 21:51.895
Nokho, iningi lamagciwane lingena emzimbeni
ngempumulo, emigudwini yokuphefumula noma emathunjini.

21:51.895 --> 22:01.909
Futhi yingakho kungekho ndlela yokuvikela ngempela
ungqimba lwamaphaphu, imigudu yomoya, amaphaphu

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uqobo, noma ngisho nomgudu wokugaya ukudla ngokugoma.

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Ngakho-ke, njengoba ngasho eminyakeni emihlanu edlule, bantu,
akunangqondo nhlobo ukuzama ukugoma umthombo

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wesifo sokuphefumula uma ama-antibodi ekhiqizwa
egazini ngoba akhona ngakolunye uhlangothi lodonga.

22:20.950 --> 22:24.348
Awukwazi ukuyinqanda, futhi manje sesiyazi ukuthi kunjalo.

22:24.348 --> 22:29.411
Lokhu kugonywa ngeke kuvimbele ukutheleleka.

22:29.411 --> 22:35.851
Yebo. Ukugoma kwe-measles okwethulwe
nguJens Spahn okwamanje kuxoxwa ngakho futhi.

22:35.851 --> 22:42.145
Nalapho, kubonakala sengathi
ama-antibodies awanikeli ngokubalulekile ekuvikeleni.

22:42.145 --> 22:50.263
Yebo, siphinde sakusho lokho
encwadini. Sekuyaziwa iminyaka engu-50.

22:50.263 --> 22:55.177
Kukhona abantu abangakwazi nhlobo
ukukhiqiza ama-antibodies. Lena yiphutha lezofuzo.

22:55.177 --> 23:01.585
Kwaziwa ukuthi laba bantu bathola
umkhuhlane wamaphaphu ngokujwayelekile futhi

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baphola ngokujwayelekile njengabanye bonke.

23:05.482 --> 23:09.982
Abafeli. Futhi abaguli kakhulu. Ngeke nhlobo.

23:09.982 --> 23:24.960
Futhi yilona bufakazi, inkomba ecacile yokuthi yi-lymphocytes,
amaseli egazi amhlophe, abhekele ukususa izifo ze-virusi.

23:24.960 --> 23:33.685
Yebo, futhi lezi seli zegazi ezimhlophe
azilinganisiwe. Uyakuqonda? Ngenxa yokugoma.

23:33.685 --> 23:44.341
Ngoba kunzima kakhulu, futhi ngaphezu kwalokho ngeke kube
usizo, ngoba bahlala bekhona. Yilokho esikutshela bona.

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Mayelana namagciwane, lezi seli zegazi ezimhlophe
azibophezeli kugciwane olulodwa, kodwa zibona

23:51.152 --> 23:55.357
uhlobo lwegciwane nomndeni wonke ngasikhathi sinye.

23:55.357 --> 24:01.749
Futhi yilokho okusivikela. Lapho sivame
ukubhekana namagciwane ahlukene ngesikhathi

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sobuntwana, ukuvikelwa kwethu kuba banzi kakhulu.

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Yingakho konke lokhu ukungahlakaniphi
ngokuvimbela izifo ezosakazeka ezinganeni kumele kuyeke.

24:14.099 --> 24:16.986
Futhi ucabanga ukuthi kungani le mjekelo
yokuphotha eyimpoqo yethulwe ngokukhethekile

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ukuvikela isifo somkhuhlane wama-measles?

24:19.506 --> 24:28.475
Angazi. Ngisola ukuthi kwakuwukuhlolwa ukubona ukuthi
umphakathi uzophendula kanjani ekugonyweni okuphoqelekile.

24:28.475 --> 24:33.506
Ngoba ukugoma okuphoqelekile ngokumelene
ne-coronavirus nakho kwaxoxwa ngakho kamuva.

24:33.506 --> 24:35.112
Lokho kwakuhlelwe kakade.

24:35.112 --> 24:41.327
Mhlawumbe kwakuhlelwe kakade. Kwakuwuhlobo lokuzama
ngesidingo sokugonywa i-measles – okwakungadingeki nhlobo.

24:41.327 --> 24:48.341
Ngakho-ke, njengoba ngishilo, njengoba uSucharit eseshilo,
kwakungekho ukufa ngenxa yomkhuhlane we-measles ngaleso sikhathi.

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Amazingeni okutheleleka nawo ayephansi ngokungahleliwe.

24:50.803 --> 24:56.504
Ngakho-ke ukuthi kungani umkhuhlane wama-measles,
phakathi kwazo zonke izinto, kwakufanele ngokuzumayo kwenziwe

24:56.504 --> 25:00.560
umthetho, kwakungacaci nhlobo. Noma kwakungekho mqondo.

25:00.560 --> 25:04.327
Yebo, ngaleyo ndlela, lo mthetho empeleni
uyizilimaza, ngoba ekugcineni ochwepheshe

25:04.327 --> 25:07.185
abangenakho ukuqonda benza zonke izinhlobo zezinto...

25:07.185 --> 25:11.145
Ngiyaxolisa, ochwepheshe abangenakho ubuchule bangobani?

25:11.145 --> 25:13.444
Abazibiza ngokuthi bangochwepheshe.

25:13.444 --> 25:22.419
Cha, cha, cha. Abazibizi ngamagama ezikhundla,
babizwa futhi bagqokwa njengochwepheshe, yebo.

25:22.419 --> 25:28.388
Kukhona uhlelo ngemuva kwakho konke
lokhu. Futhi lolu hlelo luhlelwe ngempela.

25:28.388 --> 25:35.669
Abahleli abakulo lizwe; bakude kakhulu entshonalanga.

25:35.669 --> 25:41.880
Kodwa lolu hlelo seluqhubeka iminyaka
eyishumi, iminyaka engamashumi amabili

25:41.880 --> 25:46.677
nanhlanu, lolu hlelo lokuqhuma kwe-coronavirus.

25:46.677 --> 25:53.723
Incwadi kaPaul Schreyer kufanele ngempela
ifundwe. Kubo bonke abezindaba. Kubo bonke abantu.

25:53.723 --> 26:02.138
Futhi nakwabafuna ukuba izishoshovu
zezepolitiki. Konke kwakuhleliwe.

26:02.138 --> 26:13.138
Futhi kuyacaca ngokuphelele ukuthi ngo-2019, le
nkinga ye-coronavirus yayivele ihlelwe cishe ngokuphelele.

26:13.138 --> 26:26.929
Kwakukhona umdlalo wokulingisa
ngo-Okthoba 2019. Futhi vele, i-virus yayikhona.

26:26.929 --> 26:29.263
Ngoba umkhuhlane uvela elabhorethri, njengoba manje sesazi .

26:29.263 --> 26:39.872
Noma ubani ongazi lokhu kufanele aqanjwe ejele
lamabhuku futhi anikezwe ukufunda okuphoqelekile.

26:39.872 --> 26:50.193
Ngoba konke kwakuhleliwe. I-Moderna yayivele
inezilingo eziyi-100,000 zomuthi wokugoma ngo-2019.

26:50.193 --> 27:03.279
Bathi, bantu, sizoba namadosi
ayizigidigidi ngonyaka ozayo. Singakwenza.

27:04.779 --> 27:11.108
Umyalezo wawuthi kwakhululwa igciwane umuntu
wonke engenaso isistimu yokuzivikela somzimba kulo.

27:11.108 --> 27:17.990
Yebo. Kodwa lokho akuyona into ehlakaniphile,
akunjalo? Akusikho ukuthi siphelele ezandleni zesifo.

27:17.990 --> 27:21.968
Yebo, yingakho sigqoka izimaski futhi sigcina ibanga.

27:21.968 --> 27:27.857
Lezo zinto kuphela ezazisivikela – okwakuyize ngokuphelele.

27:27.857 --> 27:32.560
Sabona ukuthi kwakukhona ukumelana
komzimba okuyisisekelo okuhle kakhulu.

27:32.560 --> 27:44.301
Babengazi ukuthi ukumelana namagciwane e-corona kuhlala kusekelwe
kabanzi. Ngoba amagciwane e-corona akhona yonke indawo.

27:44.301 --> 27:52.099
Futhi lapho ingane iqala i-nursery, igula njalo
ezinyangeni ezimbalwa phakathi nonyaka wokuqala.

27:52.099 --> 28:02.724
Lezi ngokuyinhloko ama-coronavirus. Futhi uhlelo lokuzivikela
komzimba lufundiswa kaningi ngesifo ngasinye, luyaqina kakhulu.

28:02.724 --> 28:06.918
Ngibhekane nobhubhane we-coronavirus emsebenzini wami wokwelapha.

28:06.918 --> 28:12.864
Ngangifuna nokuzizwisa lokho, futhi kwafika nokuhlolwa.

28:12.864 --> 28:17.654
Ngesikhathi ukuhlolwa sekutholakala, kwavuka ukwesaba okukhulu.

28:17.654 --> 28:22.841
Abantu bangena ehhovisi likadokotela bekhala
ngokuphelelwa umoya – kodwa babengenankinga.

28:22.841 --> 28:26.725
Bahlolwe bathola ukuthi banayo i-coronavirus
futhi bazizwa sengathi abakwazi ukuphefumula.

28:26.725 --> 28:31.577
Kwakudingeka nje ngikhulume nabo okwesikhashana futhi
ngicacise kubo ukuthi babenesikhala esanele sokuphefumula.

28:31.577 --> 28:35.130
Babe nje behogela ngokweqile. Kwabe sekuthula futhi.

28:35.130 --> 28:40.638
Kwakukhona nabaguli abahlolwe bethola
i-coronavirus. Kodwa lokhu kwafihlwa ukuhlolwa.

28:40.638 --> 28:43.914
Ngakho-ke ngazithathela inkululeko yokubheka
ngokujulile ukuze ngibone ukuthi empeleni bekuphi okungalungile

28:43.914 --> 28:46.150
kubo. Ngakho-ke empeleni babe nobunzima bokuphefumula.

28:46.150 --> 28:50.147
Omunye wayenepneumonia ye-chlamydia
, omunye wayenembolism yemiphaphu.

28:50.147 --> 28:59.985
Owesithathu wayenalesi sifo sepapayi esidinga ikortisone.

28:59.985 --> 29:10.322
Kwakukhona izimbangela ezahlukene kakhulu. Kodwa zonke zafakwa
ngaphansi komthetho wokuhlolwa kwe-coronavirus, ngokuthi.

29:10.322 --> 29:11.548
Ukuxilongwa okungalungile.

29:11.548 --> 29:20.174
Yebo, kwahlulelwa kabi. Lowo one-pneumonia ye-chlamydia
nakanjani wayengeke ajabule ngokwelashwa nge-cortisone.

29:20.174 --> 29:24.736
Esimweni se-exogenous allergic alveolitis ,
ikortisone kwakuyindlela yokwelapha efanele.

29:24.736 --> 29:28.306
Kodwa ukuxilongwa okuhlukanisayo kushiywe ngokuphelele.

29:28.306 --> 29:38.010
Yebo, bekumnandi kakhulu ukubona engxoxweni nodokotela wezifuba
ochaze inqubekela phambili yakhe, owabe esethola yena uqobo.

29:38.010 --> 29:43.060
Futhi uNksz Maischberger wasitshela wathi: "Ninikela
okuningi kakhulu, kwabe sekuyenzeka kini. Sixoxele ngakho."

29:43.060 --> 29:50.888
Wabe esechaza inqubo ejwayelekile ye-pneumonia ye-pneumococcus
waphothula wathi lokho ayekuhlangabezane nakho kwakuyicala

29:50.888 --> 29:54.816
elingajwayelekile kakhulu le-pneumonia ye-coronavirus.

29:54.816 --> 30:02.934
Babebuthakathaka kakhulu ngaleso sikhathi, bagxila
kuphela kuleli vivinyo le-coronavirus bathi lizokunquma konke.

30:02.934 --> 30:06.129
I-influenza yanyamalala ngaleso sikhathi esifanayo.

30:06.129 --> 30:11.559
Empeleni isusiwe cishe ngokuphelele
ngoba akekho osehlola i-influenza manje.

30:11.559 --> 30:14.793
Ngakho-ke ngashayela udokotela wami
waselebhorethri ngambuza, "Ngitshele, ngabe kusekhona

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okwamanje okwenzayo ukuhlolwa kwe-influenza?"

30:17.065 --> 30:23.020
Uthi, "Cha, wena kuphela kwesinye isikhathi."
Ngakho-ke lokho kuwubandlululo ocacile ekuhlolweni .

30:23.020 --> 30:27.965
Ngaphandle kwale ukuhlolwa, besingeke siqaphele
lesi sifo. Ngiphinde ngabuza ozakwethu abambalwa:

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Ngitshele, ucabanga ukuthi besizowuqaphela
noma yini uma singazange senze ukuhlolwa?

30:32.860 --> 30:38.769
UProfesa Allersberger wase-Austria wathi wavuma
nami: "Cha, ngempela besingeke siqaphele lutho."

30:38.769 --> 30:42.649
Kodwa ozakwethu bathi, "Yebo, wabona bonke abantu abashonile."

30:42.649 --> 30:47.289
Kwathi-ke ngazizwa ngingakhululekile ngokuphelele.
"Ingabe sekube nokufa okuningi emsebenzini wakho?"

30:47.289 --> 30:51.605
Cha, hhayi emsebenzini wami, kodwa
uke wabona izithombe zaseBergamo?

30:51.605 --> 30:54.824
Konke kwagcina sekuncike ezithombeni zaseBergamo.

30:54.824 --> 31:02.092
Lokhu sekusabalalise ukwesaba futhi kwenze abantu bathobeke.

31:02.092 --> 31:08.160
Kodwa manje, uTom Lausen, isibonelo, waya lapho wabala
abashonile, ngoba abashonile babekhona ngempela lapho.

31:08.160 --> 31:10.879
Ucabanga ukuthi imbangela iyini-ke? Kungani abantu bafa?

31:10.879 --> 31:16.323
Yebo, ngenze njalo – ngavuswa yizindaba ze-AIDS
nokwelashwa ngokweqile, ngokwemvelo ngabuzwa

31:16.323 --> 31:20.035
ngokushesha – babelapha kanjani iziguli ze-coronavirus?

31:20.035 --> 31:26.780
Ngathola ngokushesha engangikufuna. E-China, baphatha
iziguli nge-cortisone, ama-steroid nemithi evimbela amagciwane.

31:26.780 --> 31:29.707
Akuzange kuzibonakalise, kusho
lokho okubhaliwe ngqo ngaphezulu kwayo.

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Uma ngizwa ukuthi okuthile akukakazibonakalisi, ngiyamelele
ngendlebe. Lokho ngokuvamile kusho ukuthi sekubangele umonakalo.

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Futhi ngathatha leli thuba ngabhala incwadi kumhleli
wejenali yethu yezokwelapha yaseJalimane ngokuphendula udaba

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olunesihloko esithi: "Akukakayikho ukwelashwa kwe-coronavirus."

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Kwathi-ke ngabhala: Ngokwalesi sitatimende,
ngiyazibuza ukuthi yiluphi uhlobo lwezidakamizwa

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olusetshenziswa ekwelashweni ngaphandle kokuhlolwa nhlobo.

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Futhi zonke lezi zaziyizilungiselelo ezazicindezela
kancane noma kakhulu uhlelo lokuzivikela komzimba .

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Futhi uma isithombe sokugula sifana ne-influenza, noma
sasiyingxenye ye-influenza, ngingase ngingafuni noma iyiphi

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yalezi zinto, ngoba ngokuqinisekile azisekeli inqubo yokululama.

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Futhi ngempela bashicilela incwadi.
Kodwa-ke umbhalo waqhubeka noma kunjalo.

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Kwabe sekuza lezo zifundo ze-WHO ngomhlaka 1
Ephreli, ezaveza ngempela ukwanda okukhulu kokufa.

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Futhi lokho kwakungenxa yento eyayiqukethe, i-hydroxychloroquine,
engasiza kakhulu ngemithamo ephansi futhi esebenza

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kahle ekwelapheni izifo ezibangelwa amagciwane
ngoba inciphisa ubuhlungu bezingalo nemilenze kancane.

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Kodwa inobubanzi obuncane kakhulu bokwelapha, futhi lapho
kwanconywa ngemithamo eyayibulalayo

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ngokuphelele – ibangele ukungajwayelekile
kwenhliziyo, ngisho nokudlidliza kwemisipha yenhliziyo.

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Lokhu kwabonakala ngokushesha okuthile, kwabe sekumiswa
ngokushesha, ukuze kube nokuphakama okukodwa

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kuphela – ngamanye amazwi, umugqa wakhuphuka ngokumile
ezinsukwini eziyi-14 emva kokuqala kwalezi zifundo.

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Ngakho ungathumela abamangaleli lapho bese ucela
amarekhodi eziguli abelashwe ngomhlaka 1 Ephreli.

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Nakanjani babeyothola ababekufuna noma kuphi
lapho kwenzeka khona ukufa okungaphezu kwesiqhelo.

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Lezi kwakuyiLondon, iParis, amadolobha
amakhulu, izindunankulu ezinkulu lapho kwakukhona

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izibhedlela zamanyuvesi ezinkulu, kanye neMadrid.

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Yebo, neNew York futhi, kodwa
lokho akuzange kuhambisane neYurophu.

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Kodwa lokho sekwenzekile lapho ocwaningweni
lwe-WHO, futhi nakanjani naseNew Zealand nase-Australia.

33:42.296 --> 33:46.193
Kodwa lobu bunikazi bokufa
ngokweqile busabalalise ukwesaba ngokwemvelo.

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Akekho okholelwa ukuthi iziguli zifa ngenxa yokwelashwa;
ngokwemvelo bakholelwa ukuthi zifa ngenxa yalesi sifo esinzima.

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Futhi yilokho okwenza i-coronavirus ngokuzumayo yathola
idumela lokuba yingozi izikhathi eziyishumi kune-influenza.

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Yebo. Yebo, sinohlelo oluthakazelisayo kakhulu ku-Kla.TV mayelana
nalokhu lapho ungabona khona laba bantu ababe, isibonelo,

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belashwa e-Italy, bathola ukwelashwa okungelona nhlobo, bashona
ngobuningi, futhi cishe akekho ophume esibhedlela ephila .

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Yebo, kwabe sekukhona inkinga yezincomo zokuhlanzeka
zokulwa nobhubhane ezithi iziguli kufanele zifakwe intubation .

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Futhi i-remdesivir.

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Futhi i-remdesivir, umuthi onobuthi obukhulu,
owokulwa namagciwane, okubonakala ukuthi ikhiqizwa ngaphansi

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kwelayisensi eBergamo – njengoba uTom Lausen ethole.

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Ngakho-ke kwakukhona ibanga elifushane kusuka
kumkhiqizi kuya endlini yokunakekelwa kwabantu asebekhulile.

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Ngakho-ke kungenzeka ukuthi iziguli lapho
zonke zazihlinzekwe kahle nge-remdesivir.

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Akusho ukuthi babulawa...

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Noma kunjalo, bekungekho ukusiza ekululameni.

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Ngaphandle kwe-SARS-CoV-2, esivele yaxoxwa ngayo
kabanzi futhi abaningi bababukeli bethu bayayijwayela.

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Nokho, kunezinye izifo lapho ukuxilongwa kungacaci kangako.

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Ubhala... Encwadini yakho, unengxenye enhle mayelana
ne-hepatitis C. Ungasitshela okwengeziwe ngalokho?

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Yebo, i-hepatitis C, ngokuthi, ihambisane ne-HIV.

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Kufanele ngichaze kafushane ukuhlolwa kwezilwane okwenzekile.

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Kwakukhona i-hepatitis engelona uhlobo A nengelona uhlobo B,
eyayibizwa nge-hepatitis eyalandela

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ukudluliselwa kwegazi, eyayingasabalali ngempela,
kodwa eyayivela ngemva kokudluliselwa kwegazi.

35:34.494 --> 35:41.640
Ngakho-ke lokhu kungase kube nomphumela wezokuzivikela
komzimba, yingakho iziguli zaba mthubi okwethutyana.

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Kodwa ososayensi bezivayirasi babesebenza futhi
bacabanga ukuthi kungaba isivayirasi esingakakadalwa.

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Bese bayifuna ngokufaka igazi labaguli
abane-hepatitis engelona i-A nengelona i-B ezinkaweni, futhi

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bagcina isilwane sokulawula egumbini elihlukile.

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Lena kwakuyisethaphu yokuhlola. Ngakho-ke, empeleni, bekufanele
bafake inani elilinganayo lamakhanga egazi lomuntu ophilile

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ukuze bakwazi ukususa lezi zimphumela zezokuzivikela komzimba.

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Yebo, lezi zinkawu ezifakwe igazi azizange zigule.

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Babenezivumelwano ze-enzyme zomhlathi
ezikhuphukile kancane okwethutyana, kwathi kamuva babulawa.

36:18.480 --> 36:22.116
Futhi isibindi besilungile futhi, abazange bathole lutho.

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Kodwa-ke lapho lezi zindlela ze-PCR ezinokucacisa okuphezulu
zafika emakethe, ngazo zithole izingcezu ezingabonakali sengathi

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ziyingxenye yekhodi yemfuzo yesilwane esihlolwayo, futhi
zanquma ukuthi lokhu kungaba yigciwane elaligcinwa yizilwane.

36:38.062 --> 36:44.390
Kwathi-ke kwathuthukiswa i-antibodi yokulwa nayo, i-HCV antibody.

36:44.390 --> 36:49.413
Kwathi-ke kwaba yinto ethengiswayo. Kwenzeka
nje ukuthi inkosi yaseShayina

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yayine-hepatitis, ngakho-ke yakhushulwa futhi yathengiswa.

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Benze i-antigen. Ngakho bathathe lezi ziqephu zofuzo
njengetempulethi yeproteini, njengomklamo we-antigen.

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Futhi basebenzisa i-antigen ukuze
bakhuthaze ama-antibodi kwezinye izilwane.

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Bese bathuthukisa ukuhlolwa kokuthola lezi zivikeli
emzimbeni wabantu. Lona ukuhlolwa kokuthola lezi zivikeli.

37:30.197 --> 37:42.628
Nokho, ukutholwa kwamantibhodi kugxile
engxenyeni eyakhiwe ngokweplani eqageliwe.

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Bese behamba nalo ukuhlolwa, behlole abantu
ukuze babone ukuthi ubani onama-antibodi kuwo.

37:50.310 --> 37:55.024
Futhi noma ubani onakho
une-hepatitis C. Leyo kwakuyincazelo, akunjalo?

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Noma bengabonisi noma yiziphi
izimpawu zokugula, njengokuba mthubi?

37:58.209 --> 38:05.020
Yebo, sasivele sinalesi sikhathi sokuvuthwa kwe-AIDS, lapho
sasineziguli eziphilile ezavivinywa zathola ama-antibodi.

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Kwatshelwa bona ukuthi uzofa ngemva konyaka – kwathi-ke isikhathi
sokubhebhetheka kwesifo saba yisikhathi eside kancane, kwathi-ke

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kwaba iminyaka eyishumi – ngokutheleleka kwe-hepatitis C abazange
bafe nhlobo, kwathi-ke kwaba iminyaka

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engamashumi amathathu – kwathi-ke uzothola
umdlavuza wesibindi noma i-cirrhosis yesibindi.

38:20.388 --> 38:24.611
Futhi ukuze uqinisekise ukuthi awutholi, kufanele
uqale manje ukuthatha ukwelashwa kwethu okuvimbela

38:24.611 --> 38:28.043
amagciwane, okubiza okwamanje ama-£10,000 iphakethe ngalinye.

38:28.043 --> 38:34.023
Futhi yilokho okwenzayo. Abagulayo, futhi
ngeke bagule futhi ngenxa yokwelashwa, ngoba

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umthamo waso awusase uphezulu njengangaphambili.

38:37.046 --> 38:42.532
I-Hepatitis C yayelashwa
nge-interferon namadosi aphezulu e-ribavirin.

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Abantu babediniwe ngokuphelele futhi bagula unyaka wonke, bathola
ukushoda kwegazi okukhulu, kwabe sekudingeka bapholise,

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ngakho kwacaca ukuthi okuthile kumele kushintshe,
okungenani ukuze ukwelashwa kube nokungabi yingozi kangako.

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Kodwa empeleni, kube yisizathu esihle njalo
sokungelaphe izinkinga zesibindi ngemithi, ngoba imithi ngaso

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sonke isikhathi iyingozi esibindini ngendlela ethile.

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Namuhla abantu bayazibuza – ngangisanda ukuba kwenye
ingqungquthela yezifo zesibindi – ukuthi kungani inani

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lama-carcinoma wamaseli esibindi linganciphi
naphezu kokuncipha ngempumelelo komthwalo

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wegciwane. Eqinisweni, kubonakala kukhuphuka kancane.

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Impendulo elula ithi ngoba okukodwa akunanto yakwenza nokunye.

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Bonke abantu abathola izidakamizwa ngokugonyela
bane-hepatitis C, kodwa banesizathu ehlukile.

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Izidakamizwa zabo zibangela
ukungcoliswa kwesibindi. Njengabaphuzi botshwala.

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Uma uthi lokho engqungqutheleni yezifo zesibindi,
kusho ukuthi utshwala kuyisici esibalulekile

39:38.632 --> 39:41.591
kakhulu. Ngakho-ke nakho akusebenzi ngaphandle kotshwala.

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Ngakho-ke empeleni kuyiqiniso ukuthi
iziguli ezine-HCV ezinezinkinga, ngokuvamile,

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kutholakala ukuthi ziyizidakamizwa zotshwala.

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Yebo. Ngakho-ke lowo muntu uphinde abhekisele
inzuzo ekwelashweni engakwazi ukufakazeka nhlobo.

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Futhi akaboni umonakalo.

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Futhi akaboni umonakalo, yebo. Incwadi yakho
ibhekana kabanzi kakhulu nezingozi ezibonwayo nezangempela.

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Ngakho-ke uvame ukwenza iziqhathaniso
lapho; usho lezi zinsika ezintathu.

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Ngokuvamile, izinqumo zokuphila. Ukhulume ngabantu abaphuza
utshwala ngokweqile, kodwa ezinye izinto ezisabalele

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kakhulu, njengokukhuluphala nokubhema, ngokwezibalo
zibaluleke kakhulu kunoma yiluphi isifo esithathelana okwamanje.

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Babhala uhlu lapho, futhi izifo ezithathelana nabantu zifika
kuphela esikhundleni sesihlanu phakathi kwezimbangela zokufa.

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Kungani-ke izikhungo ezifana neRobert Koch Institute
zingachazi ukuthi abantu bathola izinzuzo ezinkulu kakhulu

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ngokugcina impilo yabo isempilweni nokukhuthaza lokhu?

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Kunalokho, bacindezela zonke izinhlobo
zokuhlolwa nemijovo yokugoma ezisezingeni

40:42.884 --> 40:46.335
eliphansi ekuhlaziyweni kobungozi nezinzuzo.

40:46.335 --> 40:58.228
Manje ngingethula ithisisi yami
mayelana nekilasi elibusayo nobugqila?

40:58.228 --> 41:09.100
Umphakathi wethu wonke wakhiwe
ngobukapitalizimu... Yebo, umphakathi wakhiwe ngobukapitalizimu.

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Futhi ngafunda okuthile okubhalwe
nguRainer Mausfeld okwangithinta kakhulu.

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URainer Mausfeld, umlando wethu omkhulu
(ngempela: isazi ngokwengqondo) waseKiel, wabhala:

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Ubukapitali nodemokhrasi awuhambisani.

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Ngoba ubukapitalizimu buholela abantu
ekuthatheni izinto kwabanye abantu.

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Bafuna ukwanelisa ukuzifisela kwabo, ngokomqondo.

41:42.680 --> 41:52.463
Futhi ubugovu, isici somuntu okunzima ukusicindezela,
buholela abacebile ukuba bafune ukuba bacebe kakhulu.

41:52.463 --> 41:56.456
Futhi ukuze benze lokho, kumele
bathathe okuningi kakhulu kubampofu.

41:56.456 --> 42:06.621
Sesifike endaweni lapho manje sekumele bathathe konke emhlabeni
wonke ukuze bagcine isikhundla sabo sobukhosi bomhlaba.

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Futhi abakwenzayo ukusisusa ubuntu bethu, amakhono
ethu njengabantu, futhi basenza sikhokhe izinsiza zethu.

42:20.779 --> 42:32.229
Kulesi simo, imijovo yokugoma nemithi
zinquma ukufa kwethu. Lo mbono uyihlanya ngempela.

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Kufanele ngikhulume manje, ngoba ngibone futhi
ngafinyelela kulokhu ngokufunda izincwadi

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ezahlukahlukene ngomlando, ezombusazwe kanye nezomnotho.

42:48.180 --> 43:01.970
Futhi bonke engikhulume nabo kulo mkhakha iminyaka eminingi,
kubonakala kungenzeka kakhulu ukuthi amandla abusa – futhi awekho

43:01.970 --> 43:13.462
eJalimane, awekho eNtshonalanga – athole umkhakha wami, umkhakha
wami wezifo ezithathelana, njengethuluzi

43:13.462 --> 43:25.760
eliyingqayizivele, elisha, elinamandla, elinamandla
kunazo zonke emhlabeni lokuqinisa ubukhosi babo.

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Ngoba ngalawa banezosayensi babo, ochwepheshe babo,
futhi manje sebene-WHO. Konke kukule ndawo eyodwa.

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Futhi i-WHO manje inikezwe amandla ngabantu
baseJalimane naseYurophu, amandla okwenza noma

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yini abayifunayo. Futhi yilokho abakwenzayo manje.

43:54.772 --> 44:08.000
Bangamemezela isifo esithathelana umhlaba wonke noma nini, futhi
ngalokho bangayalela izinyathelo okufanele zilandelwe noma nini.

44:08.000 --> 44:14.960
Kuyohlukunyezwa ngumthetho uma ungakwenzi
lokhu, isigwebo, isigwebo esibi kakhulu.

44:14.960 --> 44:26.785
Futhi leli thuluzi lisebenzisa ukungazi
kwabantu, ngoba ulwazi luyamandla, kanti ukungazi

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noma ukuntuleka kolwazi kuwukungabi namandla.

44:33.288 --> 44:39.805
Abantu abanamandla ngoba abakuqondi kahle
ukutheleleka, noma abakuqondi ngokwanele. Futhi

44:39.805 --> 44:43.826
abakwazi ukubona iqiniso ngale kokukhohlisa.

44:43.826 --> 44:50.785
Futhi nabo bahlala bengaboni ukuthi phakathi kwalezi
zinkohliso kufihlwe inkohliso embi kunazo zonke,

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eyinkohliso mayelana nemijovo yokugoma esekelwe kumagene.

44:55.868 --> 45:06.061
Yebo, angisoze ngikhulume okuningi, kodwa ngizothi enye
yezinhloso eziyinhloko zale ngxoxo ukuheha ukunaka kwabantu

45:06.061 --> 45:15.545
engibathandayo bonke ukuthi empeleni siyiphatha kanjani le ndaba
encwadini ngendlela yokuthi zonke izihloko

45:15.545 --> 45:25.440
ziphathwe ngendlela umuntu onobuhlakani obujwayelekile
angakuqonda. Konke kubhalwe ngendlela elula kangaka.

45:25.440 --> 45:27.333
Benze umsebenzi omangalisayo.

45:27.333 --> 45:38.957
Futhi sathi thina, uma isahluko esisodwa kule ncwadi singadingeka
sifundwe yibo bonke abezindaba, bonke odokotela, bonke abameli –

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ngizoshiya abezepolitiki ngaphandle okwamanje, mhlawumbe
akunamsebenzi – khona-ke yilesi sahluko esisodwa, esinamakhasi

45:49.597 --> 45:57.822
ayisishiyagalombili kuphela, esiphathelene
nemijovo esekelwe kumagene – ingozi enkulu kunazo

45:57.822 --> 46:02.949
zonke ebantwini kusukela ekuqaleni kwesikhathi.

46:02.949 --> 46:14.323
Kwathi-ke ngakhuluma noMnu. Kopp, wabe esho ngokushesha ukuthi
"yebo", lesi sahluko esithi "imijovo esekelwe kumagene"

46:14.323 --> 46:25.484
singanikezwa ngokwehlukana kuwebhusayithi ukuze sidawunilodiwe
mahhala kunoma ubani emhlabeni ongafunda isiJalimane.

46:25.484 --> 46:34.063
Futhi yilokho okwenzekile. Ngakho-ke, izinsuku ezimbili
manje, ube nethuba lokufunda lesi sahluko mahhala. Awukhokhi

46:34.063 --> 46:38.392
lutho; okudingeka ukutshalela yihora elilodwa lokufunda.

46:38.392 --> 46:42.933
Futhi ngeke udinge ngaphezu kwehora ukuze wenze
amakhasi ayisishiyagalombili. Kulula kanjalo.

46:42.933 --> 46:54.815
Lokhu kukunika ithuba mhlawumbe
eliyingqayizivele lokuma nokuzivikela wena nabathandekayo bakho.

46:54.815 --> 47:04.042
Ngoba konke okumele ukwenze wukusho "cha" ngazwi linye
futhi uvimbele abezepolitiki ekunikezeni i-WHO lo magunya!

47:04.042 --> 47:10.304
Futhi uma benza kanjalo, uthi "cha"
noma kunjalo bese uthi ngeke sikwenze.

47:10.304 --> 47:17.802
Bheka ukuthi ungasijezisa kanjani izigidi
zethu. Ngoba nabo abakwazi ukwenza lokho.

47:17.802 --> 47:24.058
Ngakho-ke nami ngaqonda incazelo yalo lonke lencwadi,
okuwukuguqula abantu ababeyekisiwe ukwenza izinqumo zabo ube

47:24.058 --> 47:30.095
izakhamuzi ezinobuzibophezelo, ukuze baqonde, okungenani
ngokujwayelekile, ukuthi yiziphi izifo ezithathelana,

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yiziphi izinyathelo zokuzivikela, ukuthi kufanele zilinganiswe
kanjani, nokuthi ungabuyisela kanjani ubudlelwano obufanele.

47:36.980 --> 47:39.972
Bengicabanga ukuthi kwenziwe kahle kakhulu encwadini yakhe.

47:39.972 --> 47:44.520
Ukuze futhi kuthiwe khona ukuthi
isayensi iyisiza ekwenzeni izinqumo.

47:44.520 --> 47:50.519
Akuyona uNkulunkulu omusha. Akuyona inkolo
esikhundleni sayo, eyayidalwe ingxenye ngenhloso yalokho.

47:50.519 --> 47:56.271
Lowo okuthiwa uchwepheshe angamemezela abantu ukuthi
yini okufanele bayenze nokuthi yini okungafanele bayenze

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ukuze bangafi. Futhi ungabona ukuthi akulona iqiniso.

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Kodwa kumele ngiphinde engikushilo.

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Kuyiqiniso ukuthi sifa ngenxa yesifo
senhliziyo nemithambo yegazi nomdlavuza.

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Futhi izifo ezithathelana ngomzimba
azidlali indima yangempela ezibalweni zokufa.

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Okuphambene kuhlale kusakazwa, sengathi izifo
ezithathelana ngomzimba ziyisongo sethu esikhulu kunazo zonke.

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Manje kugqamile kakhulu ngenxa ye-coronavirus.

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Kodwa unyaka ngamunye kugcizelelwa futhi ukuthi ukufa ngenxa
yegciwane lomkhuhlane sekuseduze – izinkulungwane ezingamashumi

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amathathu zokufa ngenxa yegciwane lomkhuhlane kuhlala kudabukwa.

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Uma ubheka ngokucophelela, akukho kulokho okuyiqiniso nhlobo.

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Kunalokho, lezi zibalo ezingu-30 000 noma ezingu-40 000
ziyisamba nje sokwehlukanisa ukufa ehlobo nokufa ebusika.

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Noma ngabe ngesizathu sini, abantu abaningi bafa ebusika.

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Futhi noma yini esele ngemva kokususwa kwalesi
sibalo ibalwa nje njengokufa okubangelwa

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i-influenza ukuze kugqugquzelwe ukugoma i-flu futhi.

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Futhi uma ubheka iRobert Koch Institute ukuze ubone ukuthi
bangaki abantu abafa ngempela ngenxa ye-influenza – futhi

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i-influenza iyisifo okumele simemezele, ngakho-ke
izinombolo zingathembeka kakhulu – uthola inombolo enezibalo

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ezintathu. Ngakho-ke cishe akekho ofayo ngenxa ye-influenza.

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Ngakho-ke, isimemezelo sesenziwe, siphindwa
njalo, thatha umjovo wokugoma i-flu, ngoba

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ngaphandle kwalokho abantu abangama-30 000 bazofa.

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Sithi ukufa okuvamile nokufa okuhlanzekile okungempela
okungabangelwa iflu, okungaba ngu-300, 400, okuthile okunjalo?

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100 kuya ku-200 – ngesizini ngayinye. Yebo.

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Kodwa kufanele futhi kuqondwe ukuthi le
nkemba yokugoma iflu, ukusebenza kwayo kunqunywa

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ngokukala ama-antibodies, ayinangqondo nhlobo.

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Leli pharamitha elibi kuphela alinciphi kalula.

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Yebo, ngisho ukuthi ukusebenza kwakho kuthiwa
cishe kungama-50%, kushintshashintsha phakathi

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kuka-40 no-60%. Khohlwani ngalokho, bantu. Akuyona into.

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Awukwazi ukuvaksina izigidi zabantu ngomuthi
wokugoma ongaba yingozi ngenhloso yokwehlisa

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impendulo yamabhowuni ngamaphesenti angama-50. Uyahlanya?

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Ngivame ukubona iziguli ezithola umkhuhlane
ngemva kokuthola umjovo wokugoma umkhuhlane.

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Impela.

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Kodwa yilokho okubonakala lapho ngimtshela, "Unomkhuhlane."

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Cha, Dokotela, akunjalo. Ngithole umjovo
wokugoma. Kumele kube okuthile okunye.

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Yebo. Ngakho-ke, singafingqa nje.

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Encwadini yakho ubhala ukuthi izifo zingaba
yingozi. Kodwa akujwayelekile yini namuhla?

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Cha ngokuvamile.

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Cha, ngokuvamile akunjalo. Kukhona nje ukudala ukwesaba ngenhloso
okwenziwa izishoshovu zezepolitiki kanye neziteshi zezindaba.

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Bathi kungenxa yezizathu
zobukapitalisti, kodwa mhlawumbe kukhona ezinye.

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Isayensi empeleni ingumhlahlandlela.

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Ubuyisela lokho phambili, ukuthi kumele sifinyelele
emaphethelweni zezinto ngokujulile nangokuphelele.

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Lowo uthi okubalulekile nokungabalulekile.

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Akufanele umuntu agxile nje
emininingwaneni ethile futhi akhohlwe eminye.

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Ungakufanele wenze intaba ngomgodi omncane,
futhi ungakufanele wenze umgodi omncane ngentaba.

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Futhi abantu kufanele futhi
bakwazi ukwenza izinqumo zabo ngolwazi.

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Ekugcineni kwesahluko ngasinye mayelana nokugoma, bahlale
bekhuthaza wonke umuntu ukuthi azifundise ukuze enze

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isinqumo sakhe, futhi ukuphoqelelwa akufanele kusetshenziswe.

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Ngoba, njengoba utsho, kuyithuluzi labo abasemandleni.

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Ingabe kukhona okunye ongathanda
ukukusho kubabukeli ngaphambi kokuba siqede?

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Ngaphandle nje, vele, kwesiphakamiso sokuthenga incwadi yakho.

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Lokho kubhalwe kahle kakhulu, kulula kakhulu ukuqonda.

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Ngakwazi ukuyiqonda kahle kakhulu
ezinsukwini ezimbalwa nje. Bekuyintokozo ukuyifunda.

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Kodwa ngiyavuma, ngifuna ngisho ngempela ukuthi
angifuni lokhu kube uhlelo lokuthengisa izincwadi, yebo.

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Asizange sibhale le ncwadi ukuze abantu
abaningi ngangokunokwenzeka bayithenge.

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Siyibhale ukuze abantu abaningi
ngangokunokwenzeka bafunde le ncwadi.

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Indlela ozoyithola ngayo le ncwadi
ikunye nawe. Akudingeki ukuthi uyithenge.

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Kodwa kumele ubuze, ezitolo zezincwadi
isibonelo, uma ufuna ukuboleka incwadi.

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Futhi esithemba ngempela ukuthi le ncwadi izokhanga
nezinye izinkonzo, njengothisha – othisha babalulekile

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kakhulu kuleli, kumele bazi kabanzi ngezifo, ngempela.

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Ngoba lokho abakwenzayo manje ezikoleni, noma
abakwenzile, akunendaba nezingane zethu. Lokho akwamukeleki.

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Futhi ukukholwa nje kukho konke okuvela kwezinye
iziphathimandla zikahulumeni akuyona indlela eya esikhathini

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esizayo esinethemba. Leso isikhathi esizayo esingenathemba.

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Besifuna ukunika ithemba. Futhi ngale ncwadi,
besifuna ukukunika ulwazi, ukubeka amandla ezandleni zakho.

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Ungangena kanjani emandleni – kufanele
nje ufunde incwadi, yilokho kuphela.

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Futhi ngiyacela, okungenani funda isahluko esingabizi lutho.

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Ngakolunye uhlangothi, mhlawumbe igama elilodwa
lokugcina. Sisesinhlanganweni ebizwa ngokuthi i-MWGFD.

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Futhi le nhlangano iyihlangano lochwepheshe
bezokwelapha nososayensi, bonke abakhuluma isiJalimane.

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Futhi sizibophezele – konke kungenziwa ngokuzithandela,
akekho phakathi kwethu olithola ngisho ipeni ngalokho.

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Futhi bangodokotela nososayensi abavelele kakhulu kakhulu.

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Yena (uDkt. Köhnlein) naye ubambe iqhaza iminyaka eminingi.

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Sasungula futhi sahlela i-Pathological Institute
ka-Arne Burckhardt. Wayengomunye wamalungu enhlangano yethu.

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Futhi uyazi ukuthi wenza umsebenzi wokuqala.

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Umsebenzi manje osebonwa ngokuzumayo
emhlabeni jikelele. Konke kuvela eJalimane.

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Lapho u-Arne Burckhardt eshona, sasisesimweni esiphuthumayo.

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Asikwazanga ukwenza noma yiziphi
ezinye izivivinyo zomgudu wokugaya.

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Kodwa sesimisile elinye ilabhorethri ngenhloso yalokhu,
ebizwa ngokuthi "Isikhungo Sokuxilonga Ngama-Molekyuli".

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Futhi iphathwa futhi ngamalungu enhlangano yethu.

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Ngakho-ke, ekuqaleni inhlangano yethu
yayingeyona inzuzo, kodwa ngemva konyaka owodwa,

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ngo-2021, isimo sayo sokungeyona inzuzo sasuswa.

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Lokhu kusho ukuthi asikwazi ukunikeza irisidi
yokunikela. Le nhlangano ithembele ezinikelweni.

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Sizojabula kakhulu uma ungacabanga ukwenza
umnikelo enhlanganweni nase-Inmodia Institute .

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Lokho kungangenza ngijabule kakhulu.

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Ngiyabonga kakhulu ngomsebenzi wakho kule ncwadi enkulu!

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Yebo, ngiyabonga kakhulu futhi ngale ngxoxo.

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Ngiyethemba ukuthi izosatshalaliswa kabanzi!

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Sala kahle.

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Yebo, ngiyabonga! Sala kahle.

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Kla.TV idinga usizo lwakho! Sebenzisa
inketho yokwabelana engezansi kohlelo.

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Itemplate ye-imeyili eqediwe ikusiza ukufinyelela emjikelezweni
wakho wangasese wabamukeli. Ngaphandle kokuvinjelwa kwe-spam.

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Umnikelo wami ekuguquleni umhlaba
ngokuchofoza okukodwa nje. Akukaze kube lula kangaka.