Hello dear viewers, today we welcome the President of the MASS-VOLL! movement, Nicolas Rimoldi.
MASS-VOLL! - the movement for freedom, sovereignty and fundamental rights.
Today we are talking about the so-called E-ID and the E-ID Act.
Welcome, Mr. Rimoldi!
Thank you very much for the invitation.
Please say something for the people who don't know anything about it yet - what is the E-ID anyway, what
kind of law is it? Can you please explain it briefly?
Last December, the Federal Council and Parliament decided that electronic identity should now be introduced for everyone.
You have been warning about the E-ID since 2017, and on September 28 of this year the Swiss people will now vote on this law.
What do you think has changed in the eight years since 2017?
Unfortunately, a lot of things. The fact that the surveillance state can be expanded with new technological
means is nothing new and has been evident for many years.
In this respect, eight years ago, when I was 22, I warned that if the identity card were to be digitized at
some point, there could be an enormous increase in surveillance and control of all citizens.
Over these eight years, this concern has become increasingly true.
More and more bans and restrictions have been introduced from left to right.
New extensions of the surveillance state, insurance spies, more powers for the intelligence services, more means of
surveillance in general, which have become possible with new technology, with new technical progress.
And then in 2020/2021 the inhumane coronavirus coercive measures with certificates, lockdowns, compulsory vaccinations, massive
censorship on social media with new AI-supported algorithms.
And now, eight years later, we really are on the verge of introducing digital compulsion, digital identity.
And that really is the key building block for a future that nobody really wants to live in.
For a future that is absolutely dominated by surveillance and control, re-education and maximum
disenfranchisement of the sovereign - the individual.
Now you've heard in the media that MASS-VOLL! has become boring and that you've hijacked the referendum. Is that the case?
I think we would be doing something wrong if the old media started to praise us.
Then we would certainly be on the wrong track.
Probably, yes.
The fact that the old media badmouth us and defame us again and again is part of our daily business. That's good.
Of course, since MASS-VOLL! was founded in February 2021, we have repeatedly encountered resistance in the system.
We want to change this system and have a new one that really puts the citizen at the center.
No longer that parties from left to right abolish fundamental rights, but that it finally stops.
It is in the nature of things that we are a disruptive thorn in the flesh of this system.
The fact that they badmouth us is part of it.
We are a civil rights movement and have always campaigned against coercion. Against compulsory
certificates, compulsory masks, compulsory vaccination.
So it is only logical and logical that we as a civil rights movement should also campaign against digital coercion.
Constraints will come with the E-ID. Corona was a child's birthday party in comparison.
Thank you for the explanation.
Can you say a little more about why you took the referendum against the E-ID Act?
The basic thrust of today's world is more and more control and fewer and fewer basic rights for the individual citizen.
We have seen this not only in the last four or five years, but in the last one or two decades.
Of course, the politicians are now coming out and claiming that the E-ID remains voluntary for everyone.
Who still believes them? Probably nobody.
In Germany, the Merz government's coalition agreement stipulates that every citizen must have an e-ID.
And they already have the E-ID in many countries today.
And in not a single country did she really stay voluntarily.
In Estonia, in Sweden, the E-ID is needed for online banking, for healthcare, for medication, for taxes, for
children's school grades, for driving licenses, for visits to the authorities, etc., etc., etc.
And now our politicians come along and claim in all seriousness that they stay in Switzerland completely voluntarily.
That is simply a lie. It has to be said so clearly.
In Austria, for example, there is a 40% discount on the fees if you use the E-ID to deal with the authorities.
This is the forced voluntarism we have known since 2020.
What's more, this digital constraint is becoming much more acute this year.
In England, for example, you only need an E-ID to visit Wikipedia.
In the USA, age verification is required for YouTube.
Spotify has already announced it too.
In Switzerland, this means that you need the E-ID for the bank, for the post office, in
order to have access to the Internet at all.
In Germany, there is the e-prescription. Prescription drugs are only available there with a
digital prescription. But this is constantly failing.
People are not getting their life-saving medication because the system is simply unusably bad.
We have to stop this digital compulsion here now.
Federal Councillor Rösti has already said that he wants to abolish daily letter delivery
and redefine the universal service mandate.
And that remote villages and towns are no longer served by the postal service.
He now offers the e-letter as an alternative. And the e-letter requires the E-ID.
The mountain farmer, in order to receive his electricity bill at all, now has to do the E-ID.
There are countless examples of this, including in Switzerland and many other countries.
The E-ID will create a huge new ecosystem of surveillance and control, where you will no longer need
an agent to monitor you, as was the case in the GDR.
It's all AI-controlled.
You need a few servers and the artificial intelligence can monitor and control countless people simultaneously.
This is extremely dangerous.
And there are people who say: "Yes, well, that doesn't affect me." Yes, it affects everyone.
This will very quickly lead to mandatory e-IDs for soccer stadiums because of fan violence or for social media or
for countless other things in the name of youth protection.
Rockstar , the publisher of GTA 6 , has already announced that you need an E-ID to play.
That affects all games. This really affects all parts of the population that are being restricted here.
And that must not happen.
Yes, that's actually how you lure people even more into this system. And then you force them in afterwards.
The proponent of the E-ID, Franz Grüter, says that this time the E-ID is "100% state-run", i.e. purely state-run.
The proponents also say that the first e-ID was rejected by citizens in 2021 because they didn't
want it to be in private hands, but in state hands.
But it's actually about something else. What do you say?
I was already on the front line back then and fought against the E-ID.
And for me and many others it was clear: we don't want an E-ID at all.
We don't care whether it's done by private individuals or the state.
Personally, I'm more worried about more concentration of power in the state, because the private sector
doesn't have a monopoly on the use of force - not yet.
With Palantir , that will come in the next few years. But with the private companies, I have the freedom of choice.
If a bank doesn't want me, I can go to the next bank.
If I don't want to use Google, then I use something else, then I use GrapheneOS.
I don't have this freedom of choice with the state.
If the state makes the E-ID, then it is pushed through with the monopoly on the use of
force, with sanctions, social credit systems, etc.
The post-election surveys then also revealed that people were mainly concerned that the data was not being protected.
It is completely irrelevant whether it comes from the state or from the private sector.
In other words, the proponents' argument that people simply want a state E-ID is all about swimming with the tide.
More power for the state, less power for the citizen, as explained earlier.
And that is also completely fact-free, because this E-ID is not produced by the state.
The issuing process, the issuance of this electronic identity, cannot be carried out by the state.
We all know of so many countless examples where one IT project after another goes completely
down the drain at the state - time and time again.
Yes, you hear that.
Fortunately, our federal government is really very incompetent in the digital field.
That helps us to live a little longer in freedom here.
Here, the E-ID is issued by a private company, and that is the ELCA Group.
The ELCA Group is owned by the same man who also owns Serafe.
Really, yes?
And he then supplies the software for facial image comparison, for issuing the E-ID. So it's not purely state-run.
This is where private corporations earn millions, billions, with our highly personal data.
And the E-ID will only work on Apple and Google devices.
And how does this actually work in terms of technology? The phone has a front camera. You have to identify yourself with it.
And for the federal government to get into the phone at all, it needs the interface from Apple and Google.
And of course they don't give that to the Swiss state for free either.
And I don't want the federal government to be in every phone - officially, legally.
And who knows what they'll do with it - it's not purely state-run, it's all lies.
The private companies earn a lot of money with it.
What about the identities? Is it secure, or can identity theft occur?
Yes, very simple, very simple.
In Estonia, which has had the e-ID for a good two decades, 750,000 people were recently exposed to the risk of identity theft.
Everyone knows - you only have to open the newspapers once a day - that these systems are never
secure enough to cope with something like this.
We see it every day, how data flows into the darknet , to hackers, to the public.
And then to assume that our personal data is protected is simply unbelievably naive.
It is also the case that Federal Councillor Jans, when he recently held the press conference - pro E-ID -
abused his status as Federal Councillor and held out his telephone and in the other hand his identity card.
He wanted to inspire confidence in the population. "Look, no risk, I'll show you my ID!"
But he's just taped off his card number in the top right-hand corner because the Federal Council knows full well that if I have
a photo of his ID and enough videos of him - they're there, he's a public figure - I can easily create a
deepfake using artificial intelligence, forge his identity and obtain an E-ID in his name.
This has already been exposed and abused in many countries.
All you need are videos and a photo of your identity card.
The Federal Councillor knows this and holds out his ID, but he removes the code, the number.
So the government couldn't be more mendacious.
That doesn't necessarily inspire confidence in the case.
Not really.
If we now assume that the E-ID comes anyway, despite the campaign, what would be the worst-case scenario for us?
Well, we have to keep in mind: The vote is on September 28. There really isn't much time left.
The price of rebelling against it now is very low compared to what we will have to spend and pay in
three, four, ten years' time to have any freedom at all.
The E-ID will abolish cash.
There are upper limits for the digital Swiss franc, ownership limits.
The state defines where it may be spent.
So if you have not checked corona certificates or you are a doctor who has issued mask
certificates, you can close - unemployed, you starve to death.
Social credit points are coming: Since you are now a criminal and I may now bring you bread, water, milk and have
contact with you, I lose points and become a criminal too.
So this is discrimination, an exclusion from society like we've never had before, not
even during corona with us unvaccinated people.
Then of course you have face recognition everywhere 24/7.
The state knows where everyone is and what they are doing at all times.
And then you get punished. What you publish on social media might not please the government.
Something against gender stereotyping, against the climate religion, whatever.
Then perhaps your behavior is not compliant: You have a petrol car. You eat meat. Then
your health insurance premiums will go up.
And now this line of negative consequences can be extended enormously.
We have so many new "hate speech" laws - in Switzerland, across Europe.
We have so many new monitoring mechanisms coming.
And that is a fundamental attack on all our basic rights.
These are changes in everyone's everyday life that have not been seen since the introduction of the Internet.
People need to be aware of this. And these are real horror scenarios that are now threatening us.
A complete, fundamental change in existence altogether.
No more freedom of thought, no more freedom of speech - that is already very much in disarray today.
You can no longer access Netflix, no longer receive mail.
You can no longer access the Internet at all.
How do you organize resistance, inform people, hold demonstrations, or form - how MASS-VOLL! -
political resistance if this is only possible with E-ID?
Then, of course, the vaccination certificate also goes on the E-ID - everything - tutti
- learner's permits - all sorts of things.
That's what threatens us if we don't stop it now.
Yes, it actually gives the state even more power to take reprisals against the citizens, the disagreeable citizens.
The thing is, other countries already have the E-ID. In fact, some countries have already introduced it.
Do you have a few examples for us? What do they look like?
Yes, excitingly, the e-ID is now coming across the EU in 2026, 2027, as if at the push of a
button, simultaneously. A major joint project.
People are very worried about this, because in all countries where the E-ID has been introduced so far, it has not
remained voluntary anywhere. It will be the same for us.
Even in Austria, where a teacher was recently dismissed because she did not want the E-ID Austria.
Then it was suddenly: "Well, employment contract, you have to work for the staves" - whatever.
That will then be quite perfidious. The USA is also introducing it, the British, the Germans. It's coming everywhere now.
You are very active with the campaign. You still have many things. You have a lot of supporters.
How do you actually finance such a powerful campaign?
Through each individual. Unlike the parties or NGOs, we don't have big donors in the background, corporations, state funding.
Everything we do here is supported by small, grassroots contributions from individuals.
Through the commitment - on a voluntary basis - of countless people.
This is simply the power of the street, channeled towards a common goal of preventing this E-ID.
Because unlike the rest of the world, we can really stop this here with a referendum.
Nobody has this privilege. Let's make use of it.
Very good, yes.
Now it is the same with the E-ID, there are various groups that are campaigning against the E-ID.
Unfortunately, it has also happened here that these groups, although they actually have the same goal, have
become divided and have started to fight each other.
And the problem with that is that we are actually all - all enlightenment movements, all justice
movements, all peace movements - we all actually have the same goal. So do we as Kla.TV.
We are doing reconnaissance, we all have the same enemy, let's say the common enemy.
These malevolent forces that want to lead the whole world into total control, that work undercover and have
placed themselves at the levers of power almost everywhere.
And we want to prevent these malevolent forces, I say, we want to prevent their intentions, we want
to penetrate somewhere there together in a victory.
You are working for it, we are working for it, many others too.
But if now the movements, these justice movements, start working against each other, even if, for example, something has
perhaps not gone well in the cooperation, perhaps one or the other has even been treated unfairly or unlawfully.
But as soon as we start to stop focusing our energy on this common enemy and start working against each other, that's when we
draw our energy away from this common fight against the common enemy and that's where the fighting power is lacking, I say.
And that is actually the problem, that this division always leads to the energy that we need for this
fight no longer flowing against the common opponent.
And unfortunately we have also experienced this, now also with regard to the E-ID.
And I think we definitely need to prevent this and also raise awareness in the educational movements
that we must not let go of the common mission we have.
Mandatory, otherwise we have no chance.
Yes. I would also like to add a quote from Ivo Sasek from the 21st AZK.
This is from the lecture "Synergic mental power". Ivo Sasek says exactly what is very important on this point.
He says: "We are all one. We all play in the same teams. We are one team.
That's why there are never any rivalries between us.
There are no rivalries among us free enlighteners.
We are not the kind of people where everyone wants to make themselves great, where everyone wants to be the greatest.
I say, if I can make you great, I will become greater myself."
And he goes on to say: "We can only defeat this global cosmic adversary with united strength and only
by working together as a united, functional organism.
This is the only way we can gain a lasting upper hand.
And if we don't win synergistically, then we've all lost together.
That is our problem. But if we get the upper hand, then we did it together and never just one or the other."
I think that's a very good quote. It shows where we actually stand, that we support each other.
That is why we are now supporting your campaign.
How do you actually experience this? Have you ever experienced something like this?
Or has your organization also been attacked?
Unfortunately too often, yes, because it's important that everyone understands that you can
only win if you channel every rappen every second.
If you have strategies that work and cooperate sensibly, strategically, soberly, because "that guy" is so powerful, so
clever and professional in what he does that we have to be too.
People also need to understand that sensitivities are pushed to one side.
Because you can still fight on the barricades once the enemy has been defeated.
But first you have to go full throttle against the globalists and stop an E-ID with all your might.
We have absolutely no time for petty warfare and whatever else, so we stay out of it.
Unfortunately, it often happens to us, but these are often people who are not very active and
are content to leave a stupid comment on Facebook.
And of course we invite people to "Okay, join in, talk to us, get active!" and then
always steer them in a constructive direction.
Because I don't think anyone is lost. Everyone can be saved.
How do you want to reach people and convince them to take part in the campaign?
We have put together a huge, strong and, in my personal opinion, the most beautiful
campaign that we at MASS-VOLL! have ever done.
Our people are now busy putting up countless posters throughout Switzerland.
We have made lighters here to hand out to people.
We have launched a campaign in three languages.
We have stickers in German, French and Italian.
We really put everything we could into it.
Of course, we also have balcony flags that anyone can order. These are of course also available in three languages.
This campaign does not win MASS-VOLL! alone.
This campaign can be won - in other words, the E-ID and all those horrors I listed
earlier can be stopped - if everyone gets involved.
Anyone can hang a flag like this on their balcony or window and put some stickers on it.
Of course, only on your own private property, not on police cars or the like.
Anyone can do it. You can do it anywhere.
Or give a smoker a lighter and tell them to vote.
Of course, we also made T-shirts, which a lot of people now wear and have actually become a walking billboard.
That's how you get out into the world! Because you don't win any votes on social media.
SRF, which is financed by force, is much stronger and has a greater reach than we do.
We have to find creative ways of reaching people ourselves.
And that really is the responsibility of each individual.
We also made a flyer, in three languages. Six pages, A4.
And we really have everything in there. So the arguments are in there.
And also very important here is Karin Keller-Sutter, who has already promised 2021: The E-ID will not remain voluntary.
This is our current Federal President.
And if she says she's not staying voluntarily, then we can well believe her.
And what we also find very important is the voting card in 2021.
The Swiss said no with 64.4 %.
All cantons and all cantons have said no.
And you can order and distribute this flyer from us.
So what really counts here is everyone's commitment. And then we win.
Sure, we're not as big, not as powerful, don't have as much money.
The proponents of this coercion, who want to oppress people and make money from it, have millions.
Of course, we don't have that much. But I think David can beat Goliath here if you are motivated enough,
strong-willed, strategically clever and united in your fight.
Very good, yes. Now you've already said a lot about what each individual can do. Is there anything else to add or is it good?
I think it's also important to send this flyer to every household in Switzerland.
We have a tool on the website , where you can sponsor smaller municipalities, larger municipalities and
everyone receives this flyer in the respective language.
And that's how you reach people you would never reach. And who knows who you reach, what that triggers again.
That might bring in another large donation. This will enable us to put up new posters.
And it's really important that everyone gets involved, however they can.
In other words, put up a poster and send us a hundred so that we can produce new materials again.
And so I am convinced that we really can push back this oppressive system.
Whether we win or not, we'll see.
But what is really important is that you have fought with maximum commitment.
And I would like to appeal to everyone to do this, because this is one of the last chances we have.
Very good, I would like to support you again. Dear viewers, please support the campaign.
And if everyone does their best, I think we can stop it.
What's next for you personally and for MASS-VOLL!
It's going well. So we are very happy about how much we are growing in terms of members, clout,
awareness, popularity and how we are expanding our structures.
More and more good, new, motivated people in our team. You can also see this on our social media.
We publish a new fact about the E-ID here every day.
And two or three videos a week with more and more of us showing our faces, putting up with the repression and standing up anyway.
It's going really well. We are also preparing for the fights of the next few years.
The new Epidemics Act, which aims to continue the coronavirus coercive measures, which were truly inhumane, for all eternity.
Then, of course, the EU Neighborhood Treaty threatens us with annexation to Brussels.
That we would really only be a colony of the EU and no longer have direct democracy and
that Switzerland would destroy its identity.
This must be prevented at all costs.
Very good. Yes, those are ambitious goals. We wish you every success, Mr. Rimoldi.
Thank you very much.
And we will certainly stay in touch. Thank you very much for the interview and for your comments on the E-ID Act.
Thank you very much. Thank you.