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Dumelang bashebelli ba ratehang, kajeno re amohela
mopresidente wa mokgatlo wa MASS-VOLL!, Nicolas Rimoldi.

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MASS-VOLL! – mokhatlo oa
tokoloho, boipuso le litokelo tsa motheo.

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Kajeno re bua ka seo ho thoeng ke E-ID le Molao wa E-ID.

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O amohetswe, Monghadi Rimoldi!

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Kea leboha haholo ka memo.

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Na o ka bua mantswe a mmalwa bakeng sa ba sa tsebeng
letho ka sena ha jwale – E-ID ke eng hantle, ke molao

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wa mofuta ofe? Na o ka e hlalosa ka bokgutshwanyane?

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Tšitoe e fetileng, Lekhotla la Federale le
Paramente ba nkile qeto ea hore boitsebiso ba elektroniki

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bo lokela ho hlahisoa hona joale bakeng sa bohle.

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U ntse o lemosa ka e-ID ho tloha ka 2017, mme ka la 28 Loetse
selemong sena, batho ba Switzerland ba tla voutela molao ona.

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U nahana hore ho fetohile eng
lilemong tse robeli ho tloha ka 2017?

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Ka bomalimabe, haholo. Taba ea hore mekhoa e mecha ea theknoloji
e ka sebelisoa ho atolosa mmuso o laolang ka ho shebella ha se

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ntho e ncha, 'me sena se 'nile sa bonahala ka lilemo tse ngata.

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Ntlheng ena, lilemo tse robeli tse fetileng, ha ke ne ke le
lilemo li 22, ke ile ka lemosa hore haeba likarete tsa

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boitsebiso li ka kenngoa mokhoeng oa dijithale, ho ka ba le
keketseho e kholo ea tlhokomelo le taolo ea baahi bohle.

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Lilemong tse robeli tse fetileng, tšoenyeho
ena e ntse e ipaka e le 'nete le ho feta.

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Ho ile ha hlahisoa lithibelo le meeli e mengata
ho tsoa ka ho le lets'ehali ho ea ka ho le letona.

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Ntshetsopele e ntjha mmusong wa tlhokomelo, dihlola tsa
inshorense, matla a eketsehileng bakeng sa ditshebeletso tsa

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bohlale, disebediswa tse ngata tsa tlhokomelo
ka kakaretso, tse nolofaditsweng ke thekenoloji

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e ntjha le kgatelopele e ntjha ya botekgeniki.

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Mme yaba ka 2020/2021, ho ba le dithibelo tse sehlōhō tsa
coronavirus tse nang le ditifikeiti, di-lockdown, ente e

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qobelloang, le kgatello e kgolo ya dipuisano mecheng ya
setjhaba ka di-algorithm tse ntjha tse tsheheditsweng ke AI.

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Mme jwale, kamora dilemo tse robedi, re se
re le makgatheng a ho kenya tshebetsong

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qobello ya dijithale, le boitsebiso ba dijithale.

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Mme ke sona hantle motheo wa sehlooho bakeng sa
bokamoso boo ho bona ho seng ya hlileng a batlang ho phela.

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Bakeng sa bokamoso bo laolwang ka ho feletseng ke
tlhokomelo le taolo, thuto-bocha le ho amohuwa

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ka ho fetisisa ha matla a boipuso – motho ka mong.

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Jwale re utlwile mecheng ya phatlalatso hore MASS-VOLL! e
se e tenesa le hore le hapile referendum. Na hoo ke nnete?

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Ke nahana hore re ka be re etsa phoso haeba mecha
ea phatlalatso ea khale e ne e qala ho re rorisa.

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Jwale ruri re ne re tla be re le tseleng e fosahetseng.

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Mohlomong, e.

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Taba ea hore mecha ea phatlalatso ea khale e re
nyatsa le ho re senya lebitso khafetsa ke karolo

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ea khoebo ea letsatsi le letsatsi. Seo se setle.

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Ehlile, haesale MASS-VOLL! e thehwa ka Hlakola 2021, re
ntse re kopana le khanyetso ka hara tsamaiso kgafetsa.

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Re batla ho fetola tsamaiso ena le ho ba le
e ncha e hlileng e behang baahi bohareng.

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E seng hore mekha e tloha ka ho le letshehadi ho ya ka ho le
letona e fedisa ditokelo tsa motheo, empa hore qetellong e eme.

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Ke tlhaho ea lintho hore re be leqhaka letlalong la tsamaiso ena.

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Taba ea hore ba re bua hampe ke karolo ea tumellano.

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Re mokgatlo wa ditokelo tsa botho mme esale re
lwantsha qobello. Re lwantsha ditifikeiti tse

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qobellang, dimaskhwe tse qobellang, le meento e qobellang.

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Ka hona, ho utlwahala ebile ho tsitsitse
hore rona, re le mokgatlo wa ditokelo tsa botho,

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re boele re lwantshe kgatello ya dijithale.

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e-ID e tla tlisa lithibelo. Ha ho bapisoa le seo, COVID-19
e tla bonahala eka ke mokete oa matsatsi a tsoalo oa bana.

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Ke a leboha ka tlhaloso.

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Na o ka hlalosa ka botlalo hore na ke hobaneng o
qalile referendum kgahlanong le Molao wa E-ID?

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Mokhoa o ka sehloohong lefatšeng la kajeno ke
oa ho ntse ho eketseha ha taolo le ho

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fokotseha ha litokelo tsa motheo tsa baahi ka bomong.

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Re bone sena eseng feela lilemong tse 'ne kapa tse hlano tse
fetileng, empa lilemong tse leshome kapa tse peli tse fetileng.

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Ehlile, jwale boradipolotiki ba tla tla ba re
e-ID e tla dula e le ya boithaopo ho bohle.

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Ke mang ea ntseng a ba lumela? Mohlomong ha ho na motho.

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Naheng ea Jeremane, tumellano ea kopanelo ea mmuso oa Merz e
bolela hore moahi e mong le e mong o tlamehile ho fumana e-ID.

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Mme kajeno ba se ba na le boitsebiso
ba elektroniki dinaheng tse ngata.

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Mme ha a ka a dula naheng efe kapa efe
ka ho feletseng ka boithatelo ba hae.

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Naheng tsa Estonia le Sweden, o hloka e-ID bakeng sa ho sebetsa
ka banka inthaneteng, litšebeletso tsa bophelo bo botle,

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meriana, lekhetho, lintlha tsa sekolo tsa bana ba hao, laesense
ea hao ea ho khanna, ho sebetsana le balaoli, jj., jj., jj.

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Mme jwale boradipolotiki ba rona ba tla ba re ka botebo
hore Switzerland ho ntse ho le boithaopo ka ho feletseng.

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Ke leshano feela. Seo se lokela ho hlakisoa ka ho hlaka.

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Mohlala, Austria, ha o sebedisa e-ID ya hao bakeng sa
ditshebetso tsa tsamaiso, o fumana theolelo ya 40% ditjehong.

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Ena ke boithaopo bo qobelloang boo re
seng re bo tloaetse ho tloha ka 2020.

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Ho tlatselletsa ho sena, ke hore qobello ena
ea dijithale e totobetse haholo selemong sena.

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Mohlala, Engelane, o hloka e-ID hore feela o etele Wikipedia.

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Naheng ea USA, ho hlokahala
netefatso ea lilemo bakeng sa YouTube.

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Spotify e se e phatlalalitse.

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Naheng ea Switzerland, sena se bolela hore o hloka
e-ID ho kena akhaontong ea banka ea inthaneteng,

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banka ea inthaneteng, esita le ho kena inthaneteng.

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Jeremane e hlahisitse meriana ea elektronike. Meriana e
laetsoeng ke ngaka joale e fumaneha feela ka lengolo la meriana

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la dijithale. Leha ho le joalo, tsamaiso ena e lula e hloleha.

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Batho ha ba fumane meriana ea bona e pholosang bophelo
hobane tsamaiso e mpe feela ka tsela e se nang thuso.

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Re tlameha ho emisa qobello ena ea dijithale hona joale.

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Lekhanselara la Federale Rösti o se a boletse hore o
batla ho fedisa phano ea mangolo ea letsatsi le letsatsi

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le ho hlalosa bocha boitlamo ba tšebeletso e akaretsang.

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Le hore metse e hole ha e sa sebeletsoa ke poso.

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E le mokhoa o mong, joale e fana ka lengolo la elektroniki.
Mme bakeng sa lengolo lena la elektroniki, o hloka e-ID.

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Hona joale molemi oa thabeng o tlameha ho ingolisa bakeng
sa e-ID hore feela a khone ho lefa bili ea hae ea motlakase.

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Ho na le mehlala e se nang palo ea sena, ho
kenyeletsa le Switzerland le linaheng tse ling tse ngata.

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e-ID e theha tsamaiso e ncha e kholo ea tlhokomelo le taolo, moo,
ho fapana le GDR, o seng o sa hloke moemeli ea o hlokomelang.

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Tsohle di laolwa ke AI.

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O hloka di-server tse mmalwa, mme bohlale ba maiketsetso bo ka
beha leihlo le ho laola batho ba se nang palo ka nako e le nngwe.

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Hoo ho kotsi haholo.

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Mme ho na le batho ba reng, "Hantle,
seo ha se nthinte." Empa se ama bohle.

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Sena se tla lebisa kapele-pele ho ba le li-ID tsa elektroniki tse
tlamang libakeng tsa bolo ea maoto ka lebaka la pefo ea

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balateli, kapa mecheng ea litaba tsa sechaba, kapa linthong
tse ling tse ngata-ngata ka lebitso la ho sireletsa bacha.

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Rockstar , mohatisi oa GTA 6 , e se e phatlalalitse
hore ho tla hlokahala e-ID hore motho a bapale papali ena.

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Sena se ama lipapali tsohle. Ka 'nete se ama
likarolo tsohle tsa sechaba tse thibetsoeng mona.

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Mme seo ha se a lokela ho etsahala.

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E, ke kamoo o hlileng o hoxisang batho le ho feta
tsamaisong ena. Mme kamora moo o ba qobella ho e kena.

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Motshehetsi wa e-ID, Franz Grüter, o re lekgetlong lena e-ID
ke "ya mmuso ka 100%", ke hore, e tsamaiswa ke mmuso feela.

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Batšehetsi ba boetse ba re e-ID ea pele e ile ea
haneloa ke baahi ka 2021 hobane ba ne ba sa batle hore e

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be matsohong a poraefete, empa e be matsohong a 'muso.

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Empa ha e le hantle, e bua ka ntho e 'ngoe. U reng ka seo?

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Ke ne ke se ke le ka pele ka nako eo
mme ka loantša e-ID le ka nako eo.

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Ho 'na le ba bang ba bangata, ho ne
ho hlakile: ha re batle e-ID ho hang.

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Ha re na taba hore na ho etsoa ka lekunutu kapa ke 'muso.

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Ka bonna, ke tshwenyehile haholo ka ho bokellwa ha
matla matsohong a mmuso, hobane batho ka bomong ha ba na

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monopo wa tshebediso ya dikgoka – bonyane, eseng ha jwale.

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Ka Palantir , sena se tla etsahala lilemong
tse 'maloa tse tlang. Empa ka likhamphani

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tsa poraefete, ke na le tokoloho ea ho khetha.

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Haeba banka e le 'ngoe e sa nka batle, nka ea bankeng e latelang.

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Ha ke sa batle ho sebedisa Google, ke
sebedisa ntho e nngwe, ke sebedisa GrapheneOS.

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Ha ke na tokoloho ena ea ho khetha le mmuso.

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Haeba mmuso o ka hlahisa e-ID, o tla e
qobella ka matla a ona a ho sebedisa dikgoka, ka

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dikotlo, ditsamaiso tsa moputso wa setjhaba, jj.

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Liphuputso tsa kamora likhetho li boetse li senotse hore batho ba
ne ba tshwenyehile haholo ka ho hlokeha ha tshireletso ya data.

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Ha ho na taba ho hang hore na e
tswa mmusong kapa ho batho ka bomong.

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Ka mantsoe a mang, kgang e hlahiswang ke
batšehetsi ya hore batho ba batla feela e-ID e fanoeng ke

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mmuso, e mabapi feela le ho ikamahanya le maemo.

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Matla a eketsehileng bakeng sa mmuso, matla a
fokolang bakeng sa baahi, joalokaha ho hlalositsoe pejana.

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Mme seo le sona ha se na motheo ho hang,
hobane e-ID ena ha e hlahiswe ke mmuso.

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Naha ha e na chelete ea ho etsa ts'ebetso ea
ho fana ka boitsebiso bona ba elektroniki.

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Kaofela ha rona re tseba mehlala e se nang palo moo merero
ea IT ea mmuso e ileng ea hloleha ka ho feletseng – khafetsa.

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E, o ka utlwa seo.

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Ka lehlohonolo, mmuso wa rona ha o na bokgoni
ho hang ha ho tluwa ditabeng tsa dijithale.

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Sena se re thusa ho phela mona ka
tokoloho nakoana e eketsehileng.

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Mona, e-ID e fanoa ke k'hamphani ea poraefete, e leng ELCA Group.

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Sehlopha sa ELCA ke sa motho a le
mong eo hape e leng mong'a Serafe.

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Ruri, e?

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Mme ba fana ka software ya ho bapisa ditshwantsho
tsa difahleho, bakeng sa ho ntsha e-ID. Seo se

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phethahatsa taba ya hore ha se tsamaiswe feela ke mmuso.

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Mona, likhoebo tsa poraefete li etsa
limilione, libilione ka datha ea rona ea lekunutu.

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Mme e-ID e tla sebetsa feela disebedisweng tsa Apple le Google.

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Mme seo se sebetsa jwang ka mantswe a botekgeniki? Founu e
na le khamera e ka pele. O tlameha ho iponahatsa ka yona.

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Mme hore mmuso o kgone ho fihlella mohala ho
hang, o hloka sehokelo se tswang ho Apple le Google.

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Mme, ehlile, ha ba fane ka sena ho naha ya Switzerland mahala.

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Mme ha ke batle hore mmuso o be fonong e
nngwe le e nngwe – ka molao, ka semmuso.

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Mme ke mang ya tsebang hore na ba tla etsang ka yona –
ha se ya tsamaiswang ke mmuso feela, ke mashano kaofela.

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Lik'hamphani tsa poraefete li
etsa chelete e ngata haholo ho eona.

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Ho thweng ka boitsebiso ba batho? Na ho
bolokehile, kapa na bosholu ba boitsebiso bo ka etsahala?

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E, ho bonolo haholo, ho bonolo haholo.

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Estonia, moo e-ID e qetileng lilemo tse fetang
mashome a mabeli e sebelisoa, batho ba 750,000 ba

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sa tsoa pepesehela kotsi ea bosholu ba boitsebiso.

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Motho e mong le e mong oa tseba – o hloka feela ho bula
likoranta hang ka letsatsi – hore litsamaiso tsena ha li

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na tšireletso e lekaneng ho sebetsana le ntho e kang ena.

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Re bona sena letsatsi le letsatsi, jwaloka
ka mmuso le sesole, data e dutla ho kena

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darknet , ho ya ho di-hacker, le ho setjhaba.

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Mme ho nahana hore datha ya rona ya botho
e sireleditswe ke bothoto bo feteletseng.

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Hape ke nnete hore ha Mokhanselara oa Federale Jans haufinyane a
ne a tšoere seboka sa boralitaba a tšehetsa e-ID, o ile a

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sebelisa boemo ba hae hampe ka ho phahamisa thelefono ea hae ka
letsoho le le leng le karete ea hae ea boitsebiso ka le leng.

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O ne a batla ho matlafatsa tshepo ho setjhaba.
"Bonang, ha ho kotsi, ke tla le bontsha ID ya ka!"

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Empa o koahetse nomoro ea karete ea hae k'honeng e kaholimo ka ho
le letona, hobane Lekhotla la Federale le tseba hantle-ntle hore

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haeba joale ke na le senepe sa boitsebiso ba hae le livideo tse
lekaneng tsa hae – tse fumanehang, kaha ke motho ea tsebahalang –

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nka sebelisa bohlale ba maiketsetso habonolo ho
etsa 'deepfake' , ke qhekelle boitsebiso ba hae

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le ho fumana e-ID ka bomenemene ka lebitso la hae.

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Sena se se se senotsoe mme sa sebediswa hampe dinaheng tse ngata.

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Seo o se hlokang feela ke livideo le
senepe sa karete ea hau ea boitsebiso.

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Lekgotla la Federale le a tseba sena, le hlahisa
boitsebiso ba lona, empa le pata khoutu, e leng nomoro.

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Mmuso o ka se be le mano ho feta.

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Seo ha se fane ka tshepo hantle tabeng ena.

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Ha se hantle.

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Haeba re nka hore e-ID e tla hlahisoa ho sa tsotellehe letšolo,
boemo bo bobe ka ho fetisisa bakeng sa rona e ka ba bofe?

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Hantle, re tlameha ho hopola hore kgetho e ka
di 28 Loetse. Seo ha se re siee nako e ngata.

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Theko ea ho hanana hona joale e tlase haholo ha e bapisoa le seo
re tla tlameha ho se sebelisa le ho se lefa lilemong tse

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tharo, tse 'ne kapa tse leshome ho tloha joale, e le hore
re boloke leha e le feela karoloana e nyenyane ea tokoloho.

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Chelete e tla fedisoa ha e-ID e hlahisoa.

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Ho tla ba le meeli e phahameng bakeng sa franc ea
Switzerland ea dijithale, e leng meeli ea botho.

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Mmuso o hlalosa moo sena se ka sebediswang teng.

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Kahoo haeba ha o eso hlahlobe mangolo a coronavirus
kapa o ngaka e faneng ka mangolo a li-mask, o ka koala

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– o tla ba ntle le mosebetsi ebile o bolawa ke tlala.

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Lintlha tsa sekoloto sa sechaba lia tla: kaha joale u se u le
senokoane mme nka u tlisetsa bohobe, metsi, lebese le ho buisana

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le uena, ke lahleheloa ke lintlha mme le 'na ke fetoha senokoane.

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Kahoo ona ke kgethollo, ho qhelelwa ka thoko setjhabeng,
eo re eso ho bone e tshwanang le yona pele, esita le

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nakong ya sewa sa coronavirus ho rona batho ba sa entwang.

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Ebe, ehlile, o na le temoho ea lifahleho hohle, nako eohle.

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Mmuso o tseba hore na motho e mong le e mong o
hokae le hore na ba etsa eng ka nako tsohle.

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Ebe o otlolloa. Seo o se phatlalatsang mecheng ea
litaba tsa sechaba se kanna sa se ratehe ke mmuso.

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Ntho e khahlanong le lipolotiki tsa bong,
khahlanong le bolumeli ba tlelaemete, kapa eng kapa eng.

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Joale mohlomong boitshwaro ba hao ha bo dumellane le
melao: o kganna koloi ya peterole. O ja nama. Joale ditefello

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tsa hao tsa inshorense ya bophelo bo botle di a nyoloha.

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Mme jwale letoto lena la
ditlamorao tse mpe le ka atoloswa haholo.

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Re na le melao e mengata e mecha ea puo ea
lehloeo – Switzerland, le ho pholletsa le Europe.

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Re na le mekhoa e mengata e mecha ea tlhokomelo e tlang.

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Mme hoo ke tlhaselo ya motheo hodima
ditokelo tsa rona tsohle tsa motheo.

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Tsena ke liphetoho bophelong ba letsatsi le letsatsi ba motho e
mong le e mong tse e-s'o bonoe ho tloha ha inthanete e hlahisoa.

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Batho ba lokela ho tseba sena. Mme tsena ke
liketsahalo tsa 'nete tse tšosang tseo joale li re sokelang.

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Phetolo e feletseng le ea motheo ka tlhaho ea boteng.

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Ha ho sa na tokoloho ea monahano, ha ho sa na
tokoloho ea puo – eo e se e le boemong bo bobe kajeno.

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Ha o sa kgona ho kena ho Netflix kapa ho fumana poso.

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Ha o sa kgona ho kena inthaneteng ho hang.

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Le hlophisa boipelaetso joang, le tsebisa batho, le
tšoara boipelaetso, kapa le theha – joaloka MASS-VOLL! –

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boipelaetso ba lipolotiki, haeba seo se ka etsoa feela ka e-ID?

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Ebe, ehlile, setifikeiti sa ente le sona se tla
kenngwa ho e-ID – ntho tsohle – tutti – dilaesense tsa

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ho ithuta ho kganna – ntho tsohle tse ka kgonehang.

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Sena ke se re sokelang haeba re sa se emise hona joale.

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E, ha e le hantle e fa mmuso matla a mangata le ho
feta a ho iphetetsa ho baahi, baahi ba sa ratweng.

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Boemo hona joale ke hore linaha tse ling li se li
na le e-ID. Linaha tse ling li se li e kenyelelitse.

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Na u na le mehlala e seng mekae
bakeng sa rona? Boemo ba tsona ke bofe?

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E, ka mokhoa o thabisang, e-ID e tla hlahisoa hona joale ho
pholletsa le EU ka 2026, 2027, ka nako e le 'ngoe, joalokaha eka

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ke ka ho tobetsa konopo feela. Morero o moholo o kopanetsoeng.

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Sena ke sesosa sa ngongoreho e kholo, hobane linaheng
tsohle moo e-ID e seng e kene tšebetsong, ha e e-s'o

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ka e sala e le boikhethelo. Ho tla ba joalo le mona.

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Haufinyane tjena naheng ea Austria, moo tichere e ileng ea
lelekoa mosebetsing hobane e ne e sa batle E-ID ea Austria.

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Eaba ka tšohanyetso ho thoe, "Ho lokile,
konteraka ea mosebetsi, o tlameha ho etsa

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litsamaiso tsa mongolo oa 'mino" – leha e le eng.

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Hoo ke boqhekanyetsi bo boholo. Le US e a e kenya tshebetsong,
jwalo ka Ma-Britain le Majeremane. Jwale e se e tla hohle.

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O sebetsa ka thata lets'olong. O ntse o na le mosebetsi o
mongata oo o lokelang ho o etsa. O na le batšehetsi ba bangata.

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Ha e le hantle, o tshehetsa letsholo
le matla hakaale ka ditjhelete jwang?

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Ka motho ka mong le ka mong. Ho fapana le mekha ea lipolotiki kapa
mekhatlo e ikemetseng, ha re na batšehetsi ba baholo ba lichelete

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ka morao, likoporasi kapa tšehetso ea lichelete ea 'muso.

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Sohle seo re se etsang mona se tšehelitsoe
ke menehelo e menyenyane e tsoang ho

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batho ka bomong, ka mokhoa o tlohang botebong.

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Ka boikitlaetso ba baithaopi ba sa balweng.

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Ke matla a setjhaba feela, a lebisitsweng
sepheong se le seng: ho thibela e-ID ena.

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Hobane ho fapana le lefatshe lohle, re ka
kgona ho emisa sena mona ka referendum.

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Ha ho motho e mong ea nang le tokelo
ena. Ha re e sebeliseng ka botlalo.

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Hantle haholo, e.

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Jwale, le ka e-ID, ho na le
dihlopha tse fapaneng tse e kgahlanong.

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Ka bomalimabe, le mona, dihlopha tsena, leha ha e le hantle di
na le sepheo se le seng, di arotsehane mme di qalile ho lwana.

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Mme bothata ke hore rona bohle – mekhatlo yohle ya kgantsho,
mekhatlo yohle ya toka, mekhatlo yohle ya kgotso – bohle re

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na le sepheo se le seng. Seo se akaretsa le rona ba Kla.TV.

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Re phahamisa tlhokomeliso; kaofela ha rona re na le
mohanyetsi a le mong, nka re, sera se tloaelehileng.

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Mahlakore ana a kotsi, a batlang ho laola lefatše
lohle ka ho feletseng, a sebetsa ka sephiring 'me a se a

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fumane phihlello ea mekhoa ea matla hoo e ka bang hohle.

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Mme re batla ho thibela matla ana a kotsi ho fihlella
dipheo tsa ona, re batla ho fihlella tlholo mmoho kae kae moo.

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U e sebeletsa, rona re e sebeletsa,
le ba bang ba bangata ba etsa jwalo.

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Empa jwale, ha dihlopha tsena, dihlopha tsena tsa toka, di qala
ho sebetsa kgahlanong le tse ding, leha mohlala, ho ka nna ha eba

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ho na le ho sa tsamaeang hantle
tshebedisanong, mohlomong e mong kapa e mong a bile a

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tshwarwa ka leeme kapa ka kgahlanong le molao.

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Empa hang ha re qala ho lebisa matla a rona eseng ho sera sena se
tloaelehileng, empa ho loantšana, ka motsotso oo re hula

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matla a rona ntoeng ena e tloaelehileng khahlanong le sera se
tloaelehileng, ebe re hloka matla a ho loana, ha re ka rialo.

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Mme ha e le hantle, bothata ke hona, hore karohano ena e
dula e etsa hore matla ao re a hlokang bakeng sa ntwa

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ena a se ke a sa lebiswa ho sera sa rona se tshwanetseng.

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Mme ka bomadimabe, le rona re se re
itemohetse sena, jwale le mabapi le e-ID.

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Mme ke nahana hore ruri re lokela ho thibela seo ho etsahala
le ho phahamisa tlhokomediso mehatong ea thuto hore ha rea

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lokela ho tlohela morero o tloaelehileng oo re nang le oona.

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Ka sebele, ho seng jwalo ha re na tshepo.

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E. Hape nka rata ho qotsa Ivo Sasek ho tswa ho AZK ya bo 21.

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Sena se tsoa thutong e bitsoang "Synergistic Spiritual Power". Ho
eona, Ivo Sasek o bolela hantle se hlokahalang ka ho fetisisa.

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O re: "Kaofela ha rona re ntho e le 'ngoe. Kaofela ha rona
re bapala lihlopheng tse tšoanang. Re sehlopha se le seng."

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Seo se bolela hore ha ho mohla ho
bang le tlhodisano pakeng tsa rona.

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Ha ho na qabang har'a rona barolisisi ba lokolohileng.

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Ha re batho ba ratang ho iponahatsa re le
bohlokoa, moo e mong le e mong a batlang ho ba e moholo.

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Ke re, ha nka o etsa moholo, le 'na ke tla ba moholo ho feta.

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Mme o tswela pele ho re: "Re ka hlola sera sena sa
bokahohle kaofela feela ka ho kopanya matla le ho sebetsa

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mmoho re le mokgatlho o momahaneng, o sebetsang hantle."

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Ke ka tsela ena feela re ka fumanang monyetla o tsitsitseng.

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Mme haeba re sa hlōle ka
tšebelisano-'moho, kaofela ha rōna re hlōlehile 'moho.

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Eo ke bothata ba rona. Empa ha re atleha, ke hobane re
entse sena mmoho, eseng ka lebaka la e mong a le mong.

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Ke nahana hore ke qotso e ntle haholo. E bontša
hore na re hokae kannete, hore re tšehetsana.

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Ke ka lebaka leo re tšehetsang letšolo la lona hona joale.

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U hlile u fumana phihlelo ena joang? Na u
kile ua fumana phihlelo e tšoanang le ena pele?

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Kapa mokgatlo wa lona o se o kile wa hlaselwa?

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Ka bomalimabe hangata haholo, e, hobane ho bohlokoa hore
bohle ba utloisise hore o ka hlola feela ha o sebedisa tjhelete

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e nngwe le e nngwe ka matla motsotswana o mong le o mong.

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Haeba le na le maano a sebetsang hantle mme le sebelisana ka
kelello, ka maano le ka ho se na maikutlo, hobane "motho

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eo" o matla haholo, o bohlale haholo ebile ke setsebi
ho seo a se etsang, hoo le rona re tlamehang ho ba jwalo.

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Batho ba lokela hape ho utlwisisa hore
maikutlo a tebileng a lokela ho behelwa ka thoko.

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Hobane o ka lwana kamehla dithibelong hang ha sera se hlotswe.

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Empa pele, re tlameha ho sebetsa ka matla a
feletseng kgahlanong le ba batlang mmuso wa

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lefatshe, mme re emise e-ID ka matla a rona ohle.

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Ha re na nako ho hang bakeng sa likhohlano tse
nyenyane le tse ling tsohle, kahoo re li qoba.

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Ka bomalimabe, sena se re etsahalla hangata, empa
hangata ke batho ba sa nkeng karolo haholo mme ba

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kgotsofetse ho siya maikutlo a boeleele ho Facebook.

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Mme ehlile re ba memela hore ba kenelle: "Ho
lokile, nka karolo, bua le rona, nka

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boikitlaetso!" ebe kamehla re lebisa dintho tseleng e hahang.

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Hobane ke dumela hore ha ho na ya
lahlehileng. Bohle ba ka pholoswa.

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U rerile ho fihlela batho le ho ba
susumelletsa ho nka karolo lets'olong joang?

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Re hlophisitse letsholo le leholo, le matla,
mme, ka maikutlo a ka, le letle ka ho fetisisa

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leo rona ba MASS-VOLL! re kileng ra le etsa.

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Batho ba rona hajoale ba phathahane ka ho manamisa
liposetara tse se nang palo ho pholletsa le Switzerland.

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Re entse li-lighter mona ho li aba ho batho.

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Re qalile letsholo ka dipuo tse tharo.

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Re na le li-sticker mona ka Sejeremane, Sefora le Setaliana.

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Re kentse tsohle tseo re ka li khonang ho eona.

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Ehlile, re boetse re na le lifolakha tsa
balcony tseo mang kapa mang a ka li odarang.

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Tsena le tsona li fumaneha ka lipuo tse tharo.

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Letsholo lena le ke ke la hlola le le leng.

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Letsholo lena le ka hlolwa – ka mantswe a mang,
e-ID le ditshoso tsohle tseo ke di boletseng pejana

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di ka emisiwa – haeba bohle ba ka kenya letsoho.

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Mang kapa mang a ka fanyeha folakha e jwalo foranteng kapa
fensetereng ya hae, mme a kgomaretsa ditikara tse mmalwa ho yona.

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Ehlile, feela sebakeng sa hau sa poraefete, eseng
likoloing tsa mapolesa kapa tse tšoanang le tsona.

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Motho ofe kapa ofe a ka e etsa. E ka etswa kae kapa kae.

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Kapa fa motshwasi laeteri mme o mo hohele ho kgetho.

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Ehlile, re ile ra boela ra etsa lihempe tsa
T-shirt, tseo hona joale li aparoang ke batho ba

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bangata 'me li fetohile lipapatso tse tsamaeang.

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Ke kamoo o iphumanang o le lefatšeng! Hobane o ke
ke oa hlola likhetho mecheng ea litaba tsa sechaba.

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Ho na le SRF, e tsheheditsweng ka ditjhelete ka qobello, e
matla haholo, mme e fihlella batho ba bangata ho re feta.

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Re tlameha ho fumana mekgwa e
boqapi ya ho fihlella batho ka borona.

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Mme kannete ke boikarabelo ba e mong le e mong wa rona.

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Re boetse ra etsa pampitšana ea phatlalatso
ka lipuo tse tharo. Maqephe a tšeletseng, A4.

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Mme kannete re na le tsohle moo. Kahoo, mabaka a teng moo.

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Mme hape ya bohlokwa haholo mona ke Karin Keller-Sutter, ya seng
a tshepisitse ka 2021: e-ID e ke ke ya dula e le ya boikgethelo.

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Ona ke Mopresidente wa rona wa ha jwale.

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Mme ha a re ha a dule ka boithaopo, re ka mo dumela hantle.

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Mme seo re se nkang e le sa bohlokwa
haholo ke karete ya ho kgetha ka 2021.

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Ka 64.4%, Ma-Swiss a hanne.

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Likantone tsohle, linaha tsohle li hanne.

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Mme o ka odara pampitshana ena ho rona mme wa e aba.

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Kahoo se hlileng se le bohlokoa mona
ke boitlamo ba bohle. Mme re tla hlola.

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Ehlile, ha re boholo joalo, ha re
matla joalo, ha re na chelete e ngata.

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Batšehetsi ba qobello ena, ba batlang ho hatella
batho le ho etsa phaello ho eona, ba na le limilione.

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Ehlile, ha re na tse ngata hakalo. Empa ke nahana hore David
a ka hlola Goliathe mona haeba re na le khothatso e lekaneng,

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re tiile, re bohlale maqhekaneng, mme re loana re le 'moho.

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Ho lokile haholo, e. U se u buile ho hongata
ka seo motho ka mong a ka se etsang. Na ho na

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le seo u ka se eketsang, kapa hoo ho lekane?

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Ke nahana hore hape ho bohlokoa hore pampitšana
ena e ka romelloa malapeng 'ohle a Switzerland.

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Re na le sesebediswa webosaeteng moo o ka tshehetsang
ka ditjhelete ditjhaba tse nyane kapa tse kgolo,

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mme bohle ba tla fumana pampitshana ena ka puo ya bona.

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Mme ke ka tsela eo o fihlelang batho bao o neng o ke ke
wa ba fihlela ka tsela e nngwe. Mme ke mang ya tsebang

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hore o tla fihlela mang, le hore na seo se tla tsosa eng.

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Re ka fumana monehelo o mong o moholo. Sena se tla
re nolofalletsa ho manamisa liposetara tse ncha.

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Ke ka lebaka leo e leng bohlokoa haholo hore bohle ba
kenye letsoho ka tsela efe kapa efe eo ba ka khonang.

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Ka mantsoe a mang, ho bontšoa poso 'me re romelloa liponto
tse lekholo e le hore re ka hlahisa lisebelisoa tse ncha hape.

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Ka hona ke kgodisehile hore re ka kgona
ho lwantsha tsamaiso ena e hatellang.

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Hore na re tla hlola kapa che, re tla bona.

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Empa se bohlokoa ka nnete ke hore o il'o lwa ka matla a hao ohle.

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Mme ke kopa bohle hore ba etse jwalo, hobane
ena ke e nngwe ya menyetla ya rona ya ho qetela.

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Hantle haholo, le nna nka rata ho tshehetsa seo hape.
Bamamedi ba ratehang, ka kopo tshehetsang letsholo.

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Mme haeba bohle ba etsa sohle se matleng
a bona, ke nahana hore re ka emisa sena.

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Dilo di tsamaya jwang ho wena ka bonna le ho MASS-VOLL!

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E sebetsa. Re thabile haholo ka kamoo re holang ka
matla kateng ho latela botho, tšusumetso,

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tlhokomeliso, botumo le kamoo re atolosang meaho ea rona.

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Batho ba bangata ba nang le talenta, ba bacha, le ba
chesehang ba ntse ba ikopanya le sehlopha sa rona. Le

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ka bona seo le mecheng ea rona ea litaba tsa sechaba.

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Re phatlalatsa ntlha e ncha ka e-ID
mona letsatsi le leng le le leng.

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Mme bekeng ya bobedi, ho bile le divideo tse tharo tseo ho
tsona batho ba bangata le ho feta ba rona ba bontshang difahleho

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tsa bona, ba amohela kgatello mme leha ho le jwalo ba ema.

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Ho tsamaea hantle haholo. Re boetse re
itokisetsa lintoa tsa lilemo tse tlang.

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Molao o mocha oa Mofuba, o ikemiselitseng ho lula le
ho sa feleng lithibelo tsa coronavirus, tse neng li

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le sehlōhō ho feta tekano, ka nako e sa lekanyetsoang.

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Ebe, ehlile, selekane sa bokgoba sa EU
se tshepisa ho re tlama ho Brussels.

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Hore re ne re tla ba kolone feela ea EU 'me re se
hlole re e-na le puso ea batho ka kotloloho, le

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hore Switzerland e tla senya boitsebahatso ba eona.

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Sena se tlameha ho thibeloa ka mefuta eohle.

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Hantle haholo. E, tseo ke lipakane tse phahameng.
Re o lakaletsa katleho e kgolo, Monghadi Rimoldi.

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Kea leboha haholo.

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Mme ruri re tla dula re buisana. Ke a leboha haholo ka
puisano ena le ka maikutlo a hao mabapi le Molao wa E-ID.

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Kea leboha haholo. Kea leboha.