WEBVTT 00:01.015 --> 00:06.624 Dumelang bashebelli ba ratehang, kajeno re amohela mopresidente wa mokgatlo wa MASS-VOLL!, Nicolas Rimoldi. 00:06.624 --> 00:11.123 MASS-VOLL! – mokhatlo oa tokoloho, boipuso le litokelo tsa motheo. 00:11.123 --> 00:16.599 Kajeno re bua ka seo ho thoeng ke E-ID le Molao wa E-ID. 00:16.599 --> 00:18.023 O amohetswe, Monghadi Rimoldi! 00:18.023 --> 00:20.411 Kea leboha haholo ka memo. 00:20.411 --> 00:24.930 Na o ka bua mantswe a mmalwa bakeng sa ba sa tsebeng letho ka sena ha jwale – E-ID ke eng hantle, ke molao 00:24.930 --> 00:27.620 wa mofuta ofe? Na o ka e hlalosa ka bokgutshwanyane? 00:27.620 --> 00:33.740 Tšitoe e fetileng, Lekhotla la Federale le Paramente ba nkile qeto ea hore boitsebiso ba elektroniki 00:33.740 --> 00:36.380 bo lokela ho hlahisoa hona joale bakeng sa bohle. 00:36.380 --> 00:46.803 U ntse o lemosa ka e-ID ho tloha ka 2017, mme ka la 28 Loetse selemong sena, batho ba Switzerland ba tla voutela molao ona. 00:46.803 --> 00:51.424 U nahana hore ho fetohile eng lilemong tse robeli ho tloha ka 2017? 00:51.424 --> 00:58.184 Ka bomalimabe, haholo. Taba ea hore mekhoa e mecha ea theknoloji e ka sebelisoa ho atolosa mmuso o laolang ka ho shebella ha se 00:58.184 --> 01:02.106 ntho e ncha, 'me sena se 'nile sa bonahala ka lilemo tse ngata. 01:02.106 --> 01:08.779 Ntlheng ena, lilemo tse robeli tse fetileng, ha ke ne ke le lilemo li 22, ke ile ka lemosa hore haeba likarete tsa 01:08.779 --> 01:16.143 boitsebiso li ka kenngoa mokhoeng oa dijithale, ho ka ba le keketseho e kholo ea tlhokomelo le taolo ea baahi bohle. 01:16.143 --> 01:20.243 Lilemong tse robeli tse fetileng, tšoenyeho ena e ntse e ipaka e le 'nete le ho feta. 01:20.243 --> 01:25.555 Ho ile ha hlahisoa lithibelo le meeli e mengata ho tsoa ka ho le lets'ehali ho ea ka ho le letona. 01:25.555 --> 01:30.998 Ntshetsopele e ntjha mmusong wa tlhokomelo, dihlola tsa inshorense, matla a eketsehileng bakeng sa ditshebeletso tsa 01:30.998 --> 01:35.363 bohlale, disebediswa tse ngata tsa tlhokomelo ka kakaretso, tse nolofaditsweng ke thekenoloji 01:35.363 --> 01:38.709 e ntjha le kgatelopele e ntjha ya botekgeniki. 01:38.709 --> 01:44.453 Mme yaba ka 2020/2021, ho ba le dithibelo tse sehlōhō tsa coronavirus tse nang le ditifikeiti, di-lockdown, ente e 01:44.453 --> 01:50.566 qobelloang, le kgatello e kgolo ya dipuisano mecheng ya setjhaba ka di-algorithm tse ntjha tse tsheheditsweng ke AI. 01:50.566 --> 01:55.665 Mme jwale, kamora dilemo tse robedi, re se re le makgatheng a ho kenya tshebetsong 01:55.665 --> 01:58.799 qobello ya dijithale, le boitsebiso ba dijithale. 01:58.799 --> 02:04.320 Mme ke sona hantle motheo wa sehlooho bakeng sa bokamoso boo ho bona ho seng ya hlileng a batlang ho phela. 02:04.320 --> 02:12.844 Bakeng sa bokamoso bo laolwang ka ho feletseng ke tlhokomelo le taolo, thuto-bocha le ho amohuwa 02:12.844 --> 02:17.904 ka ho fetisisa ha matla a boipuso – motho ka mong. 02:17.904 --> 02:24.935 Jwale re utlwile mecheng ya phatlalatso hore MASS-VOLL! e se e tenesa le hore le hapile referendum. Na hoo ke nnete? 02:24.935 --> 02:29.879 Ke nahana hore re ka be re etsa phoso haeba mecha ea phatlalatso ea khale e ne e qala ho re rorisa. 02:29.879 --> 02:31.554 Jwale ruri re ne re tla be re le tseleng e fosahetseng. 02:31.554 --> 02:33.590 Mohlomong, e. 02:33.590 --> 02:37.968 Taba ea hore mecha ea phatlalatso ea khale e re nyatsa le ho re senya lebitso khafetsa ke karolo 02:37.968 --> 02:40.882 ea khoebo ea letsatsi le letsatsi. Seo se setle. 02:40.882 --> 02:49.179 Ehlile, haesale MASS-VOLL! e thehwa ka Hlakola 2021, re ntse re kopana le khanyetso ka hara tsamaiso kgafetsa. 02:49.179 --> 02:55.851 Re batla ho fetola tsamaiso ena le ho ba le e ncha e hlileng e behang baahi bohareng. 02:55.851 --> 03:01.521 E seng hore mekha e tloha ka ho le letshehadi ho ya ka ho le letona e fedisa ditokelo tsa motheo, empa hore qetellong e eme. 03:01.521 --> 03:08.712 Ke tlhaho ea lintho hore re be leqhaka letlalong la tsamaiso ena. 03:08.712 --> 03:11.029 Taba ea hore ba re bua hampe ke karolo ea tumellano. 03:11.029 --> 03:15.774 Re mokgatlo wa ditokelo tsa botho mme esale re lwantsha qobello. Re lwantsha ditifikeiti tse 03:15.774 --> 03:18.340 qobellang, dimaskhwe tse qobellang, le meento e qobellang. 03:18.340 --> 03:23.054 Ka hona, ho utlwahala ebile ho tsitsitse hore rona, re le mokgatlo wa ditokelo tsa botho, 03:23.054 --> 03:25.688 re boele re lwantshe kgatello ya dijithale. 03:25.688 --> 03:31.555 e-ID e tla tlisa lithibelo. Ha ho bapisoa le seo, COVID-19 e tla bonahala eka ke mokete oa matsatsi a tsoalo oa bana. 03:31.555 --> 03:33.440 Ke a leboha ka tlhaloso. 03:33.440 --> 03:40.514 Na o ka hlalosa ka botlalo hore na ke hobaneng o qalile referendum kgahlanong le Molao wa E-ID? 03:40.514 --> 03:44.806 Mokhoa o ka sehloohong lefatšeng la kajeno ke oa ho ntse ho eketseha ha taolo le ho 03:44.806 --> 03:47.981 fokotseha ha litokelo tsa motheo tsa baahi ka bomong. 03:47.981 --> 03:53.246 Re bone sena eseng feela lilemong tse 'ne kapa tse hlano tse fetileng, empa lilemong tse leshome kapa tse peli tse fetileng. 03:53.246 --> 03:58.304 Ehlile, jwale boradipolotiki ba tla tla ba re e-ID e tla dula e le ya boithaopo ho bohle. 03:58.304 --> 04:01.666 Ke mang ea ntseng a ba lumela? Mohlomong ha ho na motho. 04:01.666 --> 04:10.008 Naheng ea Jeremane, tumellano ea kopanelo ea mmuso oa Merz e bolela hore moahi e mong le e mong o tlamehile ho fumana e-ID. 04:10.008 --> 04:13.712 Mme kajeno ba se ba na le boitsebiso ba elektroniki dinaheng tse ngata. 04:13.712 --> 04:17.360 Mme ha a ka a dula naheng efe kapa efe ka ho feletseng ka boithatelo ba hae. 04:17.360 --> 04:23.703 Naheng tsa Estonia le Sweden, o hloka e-ID bakeng sa ho sebetsa ka banka inthaneteng, litšebeletso tsa bophelo bo botle, 04:23.703 --> 04:30.282 meriana, lekhetho, lintlha tsa sekolo tsa bana ba hao, laesense ea hao ea ho khanna, ho sebetsana le balaoli, jj., jj., jj. 04:30.282 --> 04:36.428 Mme jwale boradipolotiki ba rona ba tla ba re ka botebo hore Switzerland ho ntse ho le boithaopo ka ho feletseng. 04:36.428 --> 04:40.747 Ke leshano feela. Seo se lokela ho hlakisoa ka ho hlaka. 04:40.747 --> 04:49.120 Mohlala, Austria, ha o sebedisa e-ID ya hao bakeng sa ditshebetso tsa tsamaiso, o fumana theolelo ya 40% ditjehong. 04:49.120 --> 04:54.964 Ena ke boithaopo bo qobelloang boo re seng re bo tloaetse ho tloha ka 2020. 04:54.964 --> 05:01.391 Ho tlatselletsa ho sena, ke hore qobello ena ea dijithale e totobetse haholo selemong sena. 05:01.391 --> 05:06.842 Mohlala, Engelane, o hloka e-ID hore feela o etele Wikipedia. 05:06.842 --> 05:11.608 Naheng ea USA, ho hlokahala netefatso ea lilemo bakeng sa YouTube. 05:11.608 --> 05:13.920 Spotify e se e phatlalalitse. 05:13.920 --> 05:21.643 Naheng ea Switzerland, sena se bolela hore o hloka e-ID ho kena akhaontong ea banka ea inthaneteng, 05:21.643 --> 05:25.934 banka ea inthaneteng, esita le ho kena inthaneteng. 05:25.934 --> 05:32.032 Jeremane e hlahisitse meriana ea elektronike. Meriana e laetsoeng ke ngaka joale e fumaneha feela ka lengolo la meriana 05:32.032 --> 05:35.635 la dijithale. Leha ho le joalo, tsamaiso ena e lula e hloleha. 05:35.635 --> 05:41.794 Batho ha ba fumane meriana ea bona e pholosang bophelo hobane tsamaiso e mpe feela ka tsela e se nang thuso. 05:41.794 --> 05:45.404 Re tlameha ho emisa qobello ena ea dijithale hona joale. 05:45.404 --> 05:51.291 Lekhanselara la Federale Rösti o se a boletse hore o batla ho fedisa phano ea mangolo ea letsatsi le letsatsi 05:51.291 --> 05:54.358 le ho hlalosa bocha boitlamo ba tšebeletso e akaretsang. 05:54.358 --> 05:59.970 Le hore metse e hole ha e sa sebeletsoa ke poso. 05:59.970 --> 06:07.220 E le mokhoa o mong, joale e fana ka lengolo la elektroniki. Mme bakeng sa lengolo lena la elektroniki, o hloka e-ID. 06:07.220 --> 06:13.007 Hona joale molemi oa thabeng o tlameha ho ingolisa bakeng sa e-ID hore feela a khone ho lefa bili ea hae ea motlakase. 06:13.007 --> 06:17.459 Ho na le mehlala e se nang palo ea sena, ho kenyeletsa le Switzerland le linaheng tse ling tse ngata. 06:17.459 --> 06:32.154 e-ID e theha tsamaiso e ncha e kholo ea tlhokomelo le taolo, moo, ho fapana le GDR, o seng o sa hloke moemeli ea o hlokomelang. 06:32.154 --> 06:33.915 Tsohle di laolwa ke AI. 06:33.915 --> 06:40.397 O hloka di-server tse mmalwa, mme bohlale ba maiketsetso bo ka beha leihlo le ho laola batho ba se nang palo ka nako e le nngwe. 06:40.397 --> 06:42.665 Hoo ho kotsi haholo. 06:42.665 --> 06:46.734 Mme ho na le batho ba reng, "Hantle, seo ha se nthinte." Empa se ama bohle. 06:46.734 --> 06:53.913 Sena se tla lebisa kapele-pele ho ba le li-ID tsa elektroniki tse tlamang libakeng tsa bolo ea maoto ka lebaka la pefo ea 06:53.913 --> 07:01.787 balateli, kapa mecheng ea litaba tsa sechaba, kapa linthong tse ling tse ngata-ngata ka lebitso la ho sireletsa bacha. 07:01.787 --> 07:08.581 Rockstar , mohatisi oa GTA 6 , e se e phatlalalitse hore ho tla hlokahala e-ID hore motho a bapale papali ena. 07:08.581 --> 07:14.360 Sena se ama lipapali tsohle. Ka 'nete se ama likarolo tsohle tsa sechaba tse thibetsoeng mona. 07:14.360 --> 07:16.394 Mme seo ha se a lokela ho etsahala. 07:16.394 --> 07:22.415 E, ke kamoo o hlileng o hoxisang batho le ho feta tsamaisong ena. Mme kamora moo o ba qobella ho e kena. 07:22.415 --> 07:31.127 Motshehetsi wa e-ID, Franz Grüter, o re lekgetlong lena e-ID ke "ya mmuso ka 100%", ke hore, e tsamaiswa ke mmuso feela. 07:31.127 --> 07:37.934 Batšehetsi ba boetse ba re e-ID ea pele e ile ea haneloa ke baahi ka 2021 hobane ba ne ba sa batle hore e 07:37.934 --> 07:42.122 be matsohong a poraefete, empa e be matsohong a 'muso. 07:42.122 --> 07:46.512 Empa ha e le hantle, e bua ka ntho e 'ngoe. U reng ka seo? 07:46.512 --> 07:52.018 Ke ne ke se ke le ka pele ka nako eo mme ka loantša e-ID le ka nako eo. 07:52.018 --> 07:55.557 Ho 'na le ba bang ba bangata, ho ne ho hlakile: ha re batle e-ID ho hang. 07:55.557 --> 08:00.260 Ha re na taba hore na ho etsoa ka lekunutu kapa ke 'muso. 08:00.260 --> 08:05.763 Ka bonna, ke tshwenyehile haholo ka ho bokellwa ha matla matsohong a mmuso, hobane batho ka bomong ha ba na 08:05.763 --> 08:08.899 monopo wa tshebediso ya dikgoka – bonyane, eseng ha jwale. 08:08.899 --> 08:12.306 Ka Palantir , sena se tla etsahala lilemong tse 'maloa tse tlang. Empa ka likhamphani 08:12.306 --> 08:14.271 tsa poraefete, ke na le tokoloho ea ho khetha. 08:14.271 --> 08:17.044 Haeba banka e le 'ngoe e sa nka batle, nka ea bankeng e latelang. 08:17.044 --> 08:23.170 Ha ke sa batle ho sebedisa Google, ke sebedisa ntho e nngwe, ke sebedisa GrapheneOS. 08:23.170 --> 08:25.605 Ha ke na tokoloho ena ea ho khetha le mmuso. 08:25.605 --> 08:30.707 Haeba mmuso o ka hlahisa e-ID, o tla e qobella ka matla a ona a ho sebedisa dikgoka, ka 08:30.707 --> 08:33.902 dikotlo, ditsamaiso tsa moputso wa setjhaba, jj. 08:33.902 --> 08:41.439 Liphuputso tsa kamora likhetho li boetse li senotse hore batho ba ne ba tshwenyehile haholo ka ho hlokeha ha tshireletso ya data. 08:41.439 --> 08:45.380 Ha ho na taba ho hang hore na e tswa mmusong kapa ho batho ka bomong. 08:45.380 --> 08:52.951 Ka mantsoe a mang, kgang e hlahiswang ke batšehetsi ya hore batho ba batla feela e-ID e fanoeng ke 08:52.951 --> 08:56.958 mmuso, e mabapi feela le ho ikamahanya le maemo. 08:56.958 --> 09:01.791 Matla a eketsehileng bakeng sa mmuso, matla a fokolang bakeng sa baahi, joalokaha ho hlalositsoe pejana. 09:01.791 --> 09:08.939 Mme seo le sona ha se na motheo ho hang, hobane e-ID ena ha e hlahiswe ke mmuso. 09:08.939 --> 09:15.635 Naha ha e na chelete ea ho etsa ts'ebetso ea ho fana ka boitsebiso bona ba elektroniki. 09:15.635 --> 09:25.700 Kaofela ha rona re tseba mehlala e se nang palo moo merero ea IT ea mmuso e ileng ea hloleha ka ho feletseng – khafetsa. 09:25.700 --> 09:26.784 E, o ka utlwa seo. 09:26.784 --> 09:31.756 Ka lehlohonolo, mmuso wa rona ha o na bokgoni ho hang ha ho tluwa ditabeng tsa dijithale. 09:31.756 --> 09:36.951 Sena se re thusa ho phela mona ka tokoloho nakoana e eketsehileng. 09:36.951 --> 09:42.294 Mona, e-ID e fanoa ke k'hamphani ea poraefete, e leng ELCA Group. 09:42.294 --> 09:47.043 Sehlopha sa ELCA ke sa motho a le mong eo hape e leng mong'a Serafe. 09:47.043 --> 09:47.927 Ruri, e? 09:47.927 --> 09:52.808 Mme ba fana ka software ya ho bapisa ditshwantsho tsa difahleho, bakeng sa ho ntsha e-ID. Seo se 09:52.808 --> 09:56.026 phethahatsa taba ya hore ha se tsamaiswe feela ke mmuso. 09:56.026 --> 10:03.016 Mona, likhoebo tsa poraefete li etsa limilione, libilione ka datha ea rona ea lekunutu. 10:03.016 --> 10:09.961 Mme e-ID e tla sebetsa feela disebedisweng tsa Apple le Google. 10:09.961 --> 10:17.609 Mme seo se sebetsa jwang ka mantswe a botekgeniki? Founu e na le khamera e ka pele. O tlameha ho iponahatsa ka yona. 10:17.609 --> 10:25.497 Mme hore mmuso o kgone ho fihlella mohala ho hang, o hloka sehokelo se tswang ho Apple le Google. 10:25.497 --> 10:28.638 Mme, ehlile, ha ba fane ka sena ho naha ya Switzerland mahala. 10:28.638 --> 10:35.433 Mme ha ke batle hore mmuso o be fonong e nngwe le e nngwe – ka molao, ka semmuso. 10:35.433 --> 10:40.198 Mme ke mang ya tsebang hore na ba tla etsang ka yona – ha se ya tsamaiswang ke mmuso feela, ke mashano kaofela. 10:40.198 --> 10:45.165 Lik'hamphani tsa poraefete li etsa chelete e ngata haholo ho eona. 10:45.165 --> 10:50.618 Ho thweng ka boitsebiso ba batho? Na ho bolokehile, kapa na bosholu ba boitsebiso bo ka etsahala? 10:50.618 --> 10:53.079 E, ho bonolo haholo, ho bonolo haholo. 10:53.079 --> 11:00.886 Estonia, moo e-ID e qetileng lilemo tse fetang mashome a mabeli e sebelisoa, batho ba 750,000 ba 11:00.886 --> 11:05.280 sa tsoa pepesehela kotsi ea bosholu ba boitsebiso. 11:05.280 --> 11:11.584 Motho e mong le e mong oa tseba – o hloka feela ho bula likoranta hang ka letsatsi – hore litsamaiso tsena ha li 11:11.584 --> 11:14.973 na tšireletso e lekaneng ho sebetsana le ntho e kang ena. 11:14.973 --> 11:20.059 Re bona sena letsatsi le letsatsi, jwaloka ka mmuso le sesole, data e dutla ho kena 11:20.059 --> 11:23.166 darknet , ho ya ho di-hacker, le ho setjhaba. 11:23.166 --> 11:30.406 Mme ho nahana hore datha ya rona ya botho e sireleditswe ke bothoto bo feteletseng. 11:30.406 --> 11:37.477 Hape ke nnete hore ha Mokhanselara oa Federale Jans haufinyane a ne a tšoere seboka sa boralitaba a tšehetsa e-ID, o ile a 11:37.477 --> 11:44.840 sebelisa boemo ba hae hampe ka ho phahamisa thelefono ea hae ka letsoho le le leng le karete ea hae ea boitsebiso ka le leng. 11:44.840 --> 11:51.100 O ne a batla ho matlafatsa tshepo ho setjhaba. "Bonang, ha ho kotsi, ke tla le bontsha ID ya ka!" 11:51.100 --> 11:58.983 Empa o koahetse nomoro ea karete ea hae k'honeng e kaholimo ka ho le letona, hobane Lekhotla la Federale le tseba hantle-ntle hore 11:58.983 --> 12:06.805 haeba joale ke na le senepe sa boitsebiso ba hae le livideo tse lekaneng tsa hae – tse fumanehang, kaha ke motho ea tsebahalang – 12:06.805 --> 12:12.566 nka sebelisa bohlale ba maiketsetso habonolo ho etsa 'deepfake' , ke qhekelle boitsebiso ba hae 12:12.566 --> 12:15.523 le ho fumana e-ID ka bomenemene ka lebitso la hae. 12:15.523 --> 12:19.599 Sena se se se senotsoe mme sa sebediswa hampe dinaheng tse ngata. 12:19.599 --> 12:24.031 Seo o se hlokang feela ke livideo le senepe sa karete ea hau ea boitsebiso. 12:24.031 --> 12:29.780 Lekgotla la Federale le a tseba sena, le hlahisa boitsebiso ba lona, empa le pata khoutu, e leng nomoro. 12:29.780 --> 12:32.705 Mmuso o ka se be le mano ho feta. 12:32.705 --> 12:34.991 Seo ha se fane ka tshepo hantle tabeng ena. 12:34.991 --> 12:37.500 Ha se hantle. 12:37.500 --> 12:46.112 Haeba re nka hore e-ID e tla hlahisoa ho sa tsotellehe letšolo, boemo bo bobe ka ho fetisisa bakeng sa rona e ka ba bofe? 12:46.112 --> 12:55.338 Hantle, re tlameha ho hopola hore kgetho e ka di 28 Loetse. Seo ha se re siee nako e ngata. 12:55.338 --> 13:02.143 Theko ea ho hanana hona joale e tlase haholo ha e bapisoa le seo re tla tlameha ho se sebelisa le ho se lefa lilemong tse 13:02.143 --> 13:08.633 tharo, tse 'ne kapa tse leshome ho tloha joale, e le hore re boloke leha e le feela karoloana e nyenyane ea tokoloho. 13:08.633 --> 13:10.990 Chelete e tla fedisoa ha e-ID e hlahisoa. 13:10.990 --> 13:15.185 Ho tla ba le meeli e phahameng bakeng sa franc ea Switzerland ea dijithale, e leng meeli ea botho. 13:15.185 --> 13:18.763 Mmuso o hlalosa moo sena se ka sebediswang teng. 13:18.763 --> 13:25.521 Kahoo haeba ha o eso hlahlobe mangolo a coronavirus kapa o ngaka e faneng ka mangolo a li-mask, o ka koala 13:25.521 --> 13:29.722 – o tla ba ntle le mosebetsi ebile o bolawa ke tlala. 13:29.722 --> 13:37.616 Lintlha tsa sekoloto sa sechaba lia tla: kaha joale u se u le senokoane mme nka u tlisetsa bohobe, metsi, lebese le ho buisana 13:37.616 --> 13:41.962 le uena, ke lahleheloa ke lintlha mme le 'na ke fetoha senokoane. 13:41.962 --> 13:46.908 Kahoo ona ke kgethollo, ho qhelelwa ka thoko setjhabeng, eo re eso ho bone e tshwanang le yona pele, esita le 13:46.908 --> 13:50.397 nakong ya sewa sa coronavirus ho rona batho ba sa entwang. 13:50.397 --> 13:54.265 Ebe, ehlile, o na le temoho ea lifahleho hohle, nako eohle. 13:54.265 --> 14:00.223 Mmuso o tseba hore na motho e mong le e mong o hokae le hore na ba etsa eng ka nako tsohle. 14:00.223 --> 14:07.127 Ebe o otlolloa. Seo o se phatlalatsang mecheng ea litaba tsa sechaba se kanna sa se ratehe ke mmuso. 14:07.127 --> 14:12.659 Ntho e khahlanong le lipolotiki tsa bong, khahlanong le bolumeli ba tlelaemete, kapa eng kapa eng. 14:12.659 --> 14:17.303 Joale mohlomong boitshwaro ba hao ha bo dumellane le melao: o kganna koloi ya peterole. O ja nama. Joale ditefello 14:17.303 --> 14:20.672 tsa hao tsa inshorense ya bophelo bo botle di a nyoloha. 14:20.672 --> 14:25.297 Mme jwale letoto lena la ditlamorao tse mpe le ka atoloswa haholo. 14:25.297 --> 14:31.538 Re na le melao e mengata e mecha ea puo ea lehloeo – Switzerland, le ho pholletsa le Europe. 14:31.538 --> 14:35.288 Re na le mekhoa e mengata e mecha ea tlhokomelo e tlang. 14:35.288 --> 14:39.840 Mme hoo ke tlhaselo ya motheo hodima ditokelo tsa rona tsohle tsa motheo. 14:39.840 --> 14:46.856 Tsena ke liphetoho bophelong ba letsatsi le letsatsi ba motho e mong le e mong tse e-s'o bonoe ho tloha ha inthanete e hlahisoa. 14:46.856 --> 14:52.791 Batho ba lokela ho tseba sena. Mme tsena ke liketsahalo tsa 'nete tse tšosang tseo joale li re sokelang. 14:52.791 --> 14:59.916 Phetolo e feletseng le ea motheo ka tlhaho ea boteng. 14:59.916 --> 15:05.695 Ha ho sa na tokoloho ea monahano, ha ho sa na tokoloho ea puo – eo e se e le boemong bo bobe kajeno. 15:05.695 --> 15:09.280 Ha o sa kgona ho kena ho Netflix kapa ho fumana poso. 15:09.280 --> 15:11.242 Ha o sa kgona ho kena inthaneteng ho hang. 15:11.242 --> 15:16.554 Le hlophisa boipelaetso joang, le tsebisa batho, le tšoara boipelaetso, kapa le theha – joaloka MASS-VOLL! – 15:16.554 --> 15:19.897 boipelaetso ba lipolotiki, haeba seo se ka etsoa feela ka e-ID? 15:19.897 --> 15:25.158 Ebe, ehlile, setifikeiti sa ente le sona se tla kenngwa ho e-ID – ntho tsohle – tutti – dilaesense tsa 15:25.158 --> 15:28.183 ho ithuta ho kganna – ntho tsohle tse ka kgonehang. 15:28.183 --> 15:30.860 Sena ke se re sokelang haeba re sa se emise hona joale. 15:30.860 --> 15:38.517 E, ha e le hantle e fa mmuso matla a mangata le ho feta a ho iphetetsa ho baahi, baahi ba sa ratweng. 15:38.517 --> 15:44.660 Boemo hona joale ke hore linaha tse ling li se li na le e-ID. Linaha tse ling li se li e kenyelelitse. 15:44.660 --> 15:48.476 Na u na le mehlala e seng mekae bakeng sa rona? Boemo ba tsona ke bofe? 15:48.476 --> 15:55.149 E, ka mokhoa o thabisang, e-ID e tla hlahisoa hona joale ho pholletsa le EU ka 2026, 2027, ka nako e le 'ngoe, joalokaha eka 15:55.149 --> 15:59.825 ke ka ho tobetsa konopo feela. Morero o moholo o kopanetsoeng. 15:59.825 --> 16:06.412 Sena ke sesosa sa ngongoreho e kholo, hobane linaheng tsohle moo e-ID e seng e kene tšebetsong, ha e e-s'o 16:06.412 --> 16:10.081 ka e sala e le boikhethelo. Ho tla ba joalo le mona. 16:10.081 --> 16:17.042 Haufinyane tjena naheng ea Austria, moo tichere e ileng ea lelekoa mosebetsing hobane e ne e sa batle E-ID ea Austria. 16:17.042 --> 16:20.110 Eaba ka tšohanyetso ho thoe, "Ho lokile, konteraka ea mosebetsi, o tlameha ho etsa 16:20.110 --> 16:22.125 litsamaiso tsa mongolo oa 'mino" – leha e le eng. 16:22.125 --> 16:31.846 Hoo ke boqhekanyetsi bo boholo. Le US e a e kenya tshebetsong, jwalo ka Ma-Britain le Majeremane. Jwale e se e tla hohle. 16:31.846 --> 16:38.533 O sebetsa ka thata lets'olong. O ntse o na le mosebetsi o mongata oo o lokelang ho o etsa. O na le batšehetsi ba bangata. 16:38.533 --> 16:42.400 Ha e le hantle, o tshehetsa letsholo le matla hakaale ka ditjhelete jwang? 16:42.400 --> 16:49.398 Ka motho ka mong le ka mong. Ho fapana le mekha ea lipolotiki kapa mekhatlo e ikemetseng, ha re na batšehetsi ba baholo ba lichelete 16:49.398 --> 16:52.801 ka morao, likoporasi kapa tšehetso ea lichelete ea 'muso. 16:52.801 --> 16:56.871 Sohle seo re se etsang mona se tšehelitsoe ke menehelo e menyenyane e tsoang ho 16:56.871 --> 16:59.714 batho ka bomong, ka mokhoa o tlohang botebong. 16:59.714 --> 17:03.320 Ka boikitlaetso ba baithaopi ba sa balweng. 17:03.320 --> 17:10.172 Ke matla a setjhaba feela, a lebisitsweng sepheong se le seng: ho thibela e-ID ena. 17:10.172 --> 17:14.683 Hobane ho fapana le lefatshe lohle, re ka kgona ho emisa sena mona ka referendum. 17:14.683 --> 17:19.620 Ha ho motho e mong ea nang le tokelo ena. Ha re e sebeliseng ka botlalo. 17:19.620 --> 17:21.344 Hantle haholo, e. 17:21.344 --> 17:27.951 Jwale, le ka e-ID, ho na le dihlopha tse fapaneng tse e kgahlanong. 17:27.951 --> 17:38.240 Ka bomalimabe, le mona, dihlopha tsena, leha ha e le hantle di na le sepheo se le seng, di arotsehane mme di qalile ho lwana. 17:38.240 --> 17:47.366 Mme bothata ke hore rona bohle – mekhatlo yohle ya kgantsho, mekhatlo yohle ya toka, mekhatlo yohle ya kgotso – bohle re 17:47.366 --> 17:52.539 na le sepheo se le seng. Seo se akaretsa le rona ba Kla.TV. 17:52.539 --> 17:58.080 Re phahamisa tlhokomeliso; kaofela ha rona re na le mohanyetsi a le mong, nka re, sera se tloaelehileng. 17:58.080 --> 18:05.061 Mahlakore ana a kotsi, a batlang ho laola lefatše lohle ka ho feletseng, a sebetsa ka sephiring 'me a se a 18:05.061 --> 18:09.419 fumane phihlello ea mekhoa ea matla hoo e ka bang hohle. 18:09.419 --> 18:18.746 Mme re batla ho thibela matla ana a kotsi ho fihlella dipheo tsa ona, re batla ho fihlella tlholo mmoho kae kae moo. 18:18.746 --> 18:23.824 U e sebeletsa, rona re e sebeletsa, le ba bang ba bangata ba etsa jwalo. 18:23.824 --> 18:30.272 Empa jwale, ha dihlopha tsena, dihlopha tsena tsa toka, di qala ho sebetsa kgahlanong le tse ding, leha mohlala, ho ka nna ha eba 18:30.272 --> 18:34.520 ho na le ho sa tsamaeang hantle tshebedisanong, mohlomong e mong kapa e mong a bile a 18:34.520 --> 18:37.568 tshwarwa ka leeme kapa ka kgahlanong le molao. 18:37.568 --> 18:45.980 Empa hang ha re qala ho lebisa matla a rona eseng ho sera sena se tloaelehileng, empa ho loantšana, ka motsotso oo re hula 18:45.980 --> 18:55.477 matla a rona ntoeng ena e tloaelehileng khahlanong le sera se tloaelehileng, ebe re hloka matla a ho loana, ha re ka rialo. 18:55.477 --> 19:01.549 Mme ha e le hantle, bothata ke hona, hore karohano ena e dula e etsa hore matla ao re a hlokang bakeng sa ntwa 19:01.549 --> 19:05.728 ena a se ke a sa lebiswa ho sera sa rona se tshwanetseng. 19:05.728 --> 19:12.720 Mme ka bomadimabe, le rona re se re itemohetse sena, jwale le mabapi le e-ID. 19:12.720 --> 19:20.626 Mme ke nahana hore ruri re lokela ho thibela seo ho etsahala le ho phahamisa tlhokomediso mehatong ea thuto hore ha rea 19:20.626 --> 19:24.942 lokela ho tlohela morero o tloaelehileng oo re nang le oona. 19:24.942 --> 19:27.072 Ka sebele, ho seng jwalo ha re na tshepo. 19:27.072 --> 19:34.057 E. Hape nka rata ho qotsa Ivo Sasek ho tswa ho AZK ya bo 21. 19:34.057 --> 19:40.570 Sena se tsoa thutong e bitsoang "Synergistic Spiritual Power". Ho eona, Ivo Sasek o bolela hantle se hlokahalang ka ho fetisisa. 19:40.570 --> 19:46.617 O re: "Kaofela ha rona re ntho e le 'ngoe. Kaofela ha rona re bapala lihlopheng tse tšoanang. Re sehlopha se le seng." 19:46.617 --> 19:49.508 Seo se bolela hore ha ho mohla ho bang le tlhodisano pakeng tsa rona. 19:49.508 --> 19:53.443 Ha ho na qabang har'a rona barolisisi ba lokolohileng. 19:53.443 --> 19:59.982 Ha re batho ba ratang ho iponahatsa re le bohlokoa, moo e mong le e mong a batlang ho ba e moholo. 19:59.982 --> 20:04.215 Ke re, ha nka o etsa moholo, le 'na ke tla ba moholo ho feta. 20:04.215 --> 20:13.135 Mme o tswela pele ho re: "Re ka hlola sera sena sa bokahohle kaofela feela ka ho kopanya matla le ho sebetsa 20:13.135 --> 20:18.660 mmoho re le mokgatlho o momahaneng, o sebetsang hantle." 20:18.660 --> 20:21.156 Ke ka tsela ena feela re ka fumanang monyetla o tsitsitseng. 20:21.156 --> 20:25.445 Mme haeba re sa hlōle ka tšebelisano-'moho, kaofela ha rōna re hlōlehile 'moho. 20:25.445 --> 20:32.805 Eo ke bothata ba rona. Empa ha re atleha, ke hobane re entse sena mmoho, eseng ka lebaka la e mong a le mong. 20:32.805 --> 20:38.625 Ke nahana hore ke qotso e ntle haholo. E bontša hore na re hokae kannete, hore re tšehetsana. 20:38.625 --> 20:42.341 Ke ka lebaka leo re tšehetsang letšolo la lona hona joale. 20:42.341 --> 20:44.703 U hlile u fumana phihlelo ena joang? Na u kile ua fumana phihlelo e tšoanang le ena pele? 20:44.703 --> 20:48.512 Kapa mokgatlo wa lona o se o kile wa hlaselwa? 20:48.512 --> 20:55.533 Ka bomalimabe hangata haholo, e, hobane ho bohlokoa hore bohle ba utloisise hore o ka hlola feela ha o sebedisa tjhelete 20:55.533 --> 20:59.021 e nngwe le e nngwe ka matla motsotswana o mong le o mong. 20:59.021 --> 21:07.594 Haeba le na le maano a sebetsang hantle mme le sebelisana ka kelello, ka maano le ka ho se na maikutlo, hobane "motho 21:07.594 --> 21:16.089 eo" o matla haholo, o bohlale haholo ebile ke setsebi ho seo a se etsang, hoo le rona re tlamehang ho ba jwalo. 21:16.089 --> 21:23.063 Batho ba lokela hape ho utlwisisa hore maikutlo a tebileng a lokela ho behelwa ka thoko. 21:23.063 --> 21:27.626 Hobane o ka lwana kamehla dithibelong hang ha sera se hlotswe. 21:27.626 --> 21:32.258 Empa pele, re tlameha ho sebetsa ka matla a feletseng kgahlanong le ba batlang mmuso wa 21:32.258 --> 21:34.225 lefatshe, mme re emise e-ID ka matla a rona ohle. 21:34.225 --> 21:39.487 Ha re na nako ho hang bakeng sa likhohlano tse nyenyane le tse ling tsohle, kahoo re li qoba. 21:39.487 --> 21:46.670 Ka bomalimabe, sena se re etsahalla hangata, empa hangata ke batho ba sa nkeng karolo haholo mme ba 21:46.670 --> 21:50.541 kgotsofetse ho siya maikutlo a boeleele ho Facebook. 21:50.541 --> 21:56.614 Mme ehlile re ba memela hore ba kenelle: "Ho lokile, nka karolo, bua le rona, nka 21:56.614 --> 22:01.380 boikitlaetso!" ebe kamehla re lebisa dintho tseleng e hahang. 22:01.380 --> 22:06.802 Hobane ke dumela hore ha ho na ya lahlehileng. Bohle ba ka pholoswa. 22:06.802 --> 22:11.933 U rerile ho fihlela batho le ho ba susumelletsa ho nka karolo lets'olong joang? 22:11.933 --> 22:19.088 Re hlophisitse letsholo le leholo, le matla, mme, ka maikutlo a ka, le letle ka ho fetisisa 22:19.088 --> 22:23.009 leo rona ba MASS-VOLL! re kileng ra le etsa. 22:23.009 --> 22:29.118 Batho ba rona hajoale ba phathahane ka ho manamisa liposetara tse se nang palo ho pholletsa le Switzerland. 22:29.118 --> 22:34.222 Re entse li-lighter mona ho li aba ho batho. 22:34.222 --> 22:38.160 Re qalile letsholo ka dipuo tse tharo. 22:38.160 --> 22:45.615 Re na le li-sticker mona ka Sejeremane, Sefora le Setaliana. 22:45.615 --> 22:49.104 Re kentse tsohle tseo re ka li khonang ho eona. 22:49.104 --> 22:54.789 Ehlile, re boetse re na le lifolakha tsa balcony tseo mang kapa mang a ka li odarang. 22:54.789 --> 22:58.191 Tsena le tsona li fumaneha ka lipuo tse tharo. 22:58.191 --> 23:01.098 Letsholo lena le ke ke la hlola le le leng. 23:01.098 --> 23:07.487 Letsholo lena le ka hlolwa – ka mantswe a mang, e-ID le ditshoso tsohle tseo ke di boletseng pejana 23:07.487 --> 23:10.244 di ka emisiwa – haeba bohle ba ka kenya letsoho. 23:10.244 --> 23:16.408 Mang kapa mang a ka fanyeha folakha e jwalo foranteng kapa fensetereng ya hae, mme a kgomaretsa ditikara tse mmalwa ho yona. 23:16.408 --> 23:21.409 Ehlile, feela sebakeng sa hau sa poraefete, eseng likoloing tsa mapolesa kapa tse tšoanang le tsona. 23:21.409 --> 23:23.500 Motho ofe kapa ofe a ka e etsa. E ka etswa kae kapa kae. 23:23.500 --> 23:28.349 Kapa fa motshwasi laeteri mme o mo hohele ho kgetho. 23:28.349 --> 23:35.429 Ehlile, re ile ra boela ra etsa lihempe tsa T-shirt, tseo hona joale li aparoang ke batho ba 23:35.429 --> 23:39.901 bangata 'me li fetohile lipapatso tse tsamaeang. 23:39.901 --> 23:47.852 Ke kamoo o iphumanang o le lefatšeng! Hobane o ke ke oa hlola likhetho mecheng ea litaba tsa sechaba. 23:47.852 --> 23:53.901 Ho na le SRF, e tsheheditsweng ka ditjhelete ka qobello, e matla haholo, mme e fihlella batho ba bangata ho re feta. 23:53.901 --> 23:58.335 Re tlameha ho fumana mekgwa e boqapi ya ho fihlella batho ka borona. 23:58.335 --> 24:02.069 Mme kannete ke boikarabelo ba e mong le e mong wa rona. 24:02.069 --> 24:08.619 Re boetse ra etsa pampitšana ea phatlalatso ka lipuo tse tharo. Maqephe a tšeletseng, A4. 24:08.619 --> 24:14.106 Mme kannete re na le tsohle moo. Kahoo, mabaka a teng moo. 24:14.106 --> 24:22.940 Mme hape ya bohlokwa haholo mona ke Karin Keller-Sutter, ya seng a tshepisitse ka 2021: e-ID e ke ke ya dula e le ya boikgethelo. 24:22.940 --> 24:26.409 Ona ke Mopresidente wa rona wa ha jwale. 24:26.409 --> 24:33.040 Mme ha a re ha a dule ka boithaopo, re ka mo dumela hantle. 24:33.040 --> 24:38.987 Mme seo re se nkang e le sa bohlokwa haholo ke karete ya ho kgetha ka 2021. 24:38.987 --> 24:44.241 Ka 64.4%, Ma-Swiss a hanne. 24:44.241 --> 24:47.557 Likantone tsohle, linaha tsohle li hanne. 24:47.557 --> 24:51.123 Mme o ka odara pampitshana ena ho rona mme wa e aba. 24:51.123 --> 24:55.479 Kahoo se hlileng se le bohlokoa mona ke boitlamo ba bohle. Mme re tla hlola. 24:55.479 --> 24:59.049 Ehlile, ha re boholo joalo, ha re matla joalo, ha re na chelete e ngata. 24:59.049 --> 25:06.144 Batšehetsi ba qobello ena, ba batlang ho hatella batho le ho etsa phaello ho eona, ba na le limilione. 25:06.144 --> 25:13.013 Ehlile, ha re na tse ngata hakalo. Empa ke nahana hore David a ka hlola Goliathe mona haeba re na le khothatso e lekaneng, 25:13.013 --> 25:16.579 re tiile, re bohlale maqhekaneng, mme re loana re le 'moho. 25:16.579 --> 25:21.053 Ho lokile haholo, e. U se u buile ho hongata ka seo motho ka mong a ka se etsang. Na ho na 25:21.053 --> 25:23.520 le seo u ka se eketsang, kapa hoo ho lekane? 25:23.520 --> 25:29.980 Ke nahana hore hape ho bohlokoa hore pampitšana ena e ka romelloa malapeng 'ohle a Switzerland. 25:29.980 --> 25:36.713 Re na le sesebediswa webosaeteng moo o ka tshehetsang ka ditjhelete ditjhaba tse nyane kapa tse kgolo, 25:36.713 --> 25:40.809 mme bohle ba tla fumana pampitshana ena ka puo ya bona. 25:40.809 --> 25:44.640 Mme ke ka tsela eo o fihlelang batho bao o neng o ke ke wa ba fihlela ka tsela e nngwe. Mme ke mang ya tsebang 25:44.640 --> 25:46.739 hore o tla fihlela mang, le hore na seo se tla tsosa eng. 25:46.739 --> 25:51.760 Re ka fumana monehelo o mong o moholo. Sena se tla re nolofalletsa ho manamisa liposetara tse ncha. 25:51.760 --> 25:56.377 Ke ka lebaka leo e leng bohlokoa haholo hore bohle ba kenye letsoho ka tsela efe kapa efe eo ba ka khonang. 25:56.377 --> 26:03.117 Ka mantsoe a mang, ho bontšoa poso 'me re romelloa liponto tse lekholo e le hore re ka hlahisa lisebelisoa tse ncha hape. 26:03.117 --> 26:09.070 Ka hona ke kgodisehile hore re ka kgona ho lwantsha tsamaiso ena e hatellang. 26:09.070 --> 26:11.707 Hore na re tla hlola kapa che, re tla bona. 26:11.707 --> 26:16.052 Empa se bohlokoa ka nnete ke hore o il'o lwa ka matla a hao ohle. 26:16.052 --> 26:21.580 Mme ke kopa bohle hore ba etse jwalo, hobane ena ke e nngwe ya menyetla ya rona ya ho qetela. 26:21.580 --> 26:25.792 Hantle haholo, le nna nka rata ho tshehetsa seo hape. Bamamedi ba ratehang, ka kopo tshehetsang letsholo. 26:25.792 --> 26:29.635 Mme haeba bohle ba etsa sohle se matleng a bona, ke nahana hore re ka emisa sena. 26:29.635 --> 26:33.081 Dilo di tsamaya jwang ho wena ka bonna le ho MASS-VOLL! 26:33.081 --> 26:39.107 E sebetsa. Re thabile haholo ka kamoo re holang ka matla kateng ho latela botho, tšusumetso, 26:39.107 --> 26:42.728 tlhokomeliso, botumo le kamoo re atolosang meaho ea rona. 26:42.728 --> 26:45.734 Batho ba bangata ba nang le talenta, ba bacha, le ba chesehang ba ntse ba ikopanya le sehlopha sa rona. Le 26:45.734 --> 26:47.335 ka bona seo le mecheng ea rona ea litaba tsa sechaba. 26:47.335 --> 26:52.436 Re phatlalatsa ntlha e ncha ka e-ID mona letsatsi le leng le le leng. 26:52.436 --> 26:57.820 Mme bekeng ya bobedi, ho bile le divideo tse tharo tseo ho tsona batho ba bangata le ho feta ba rona ba bontshang difahleho 26:57.820 --> 27:01.106 tsa bona, ba amohela kgatello mme leha ho le jwalo ba ema. 27:01.106 --> 27:05.286 Ho tsamaea hantle haholo. Re boetse re itokisetsa lintoa tsa lilemo tse tlang. 27:05.286 --> 27:10.788 Molao o mocha oa Mofuba, o ikemiselitseng ho lula le ho sa feleng lithibelo tsa coronavirus, tse neng li 27:10.788 --> 27:14.237 le sehlōhō ho feta tekano, ka nako e sa lekanyetsoang. 27:14.237 --> 27:19.263 Ebe, ehlile, selekane sa bokgoba sa EU se tshepisa ho re tlama ho Brussels. 27:19.263 --> 27:24.228 Hore re ne re tla ba kolone feela ea EU 'me re se hlole re e-na le puso ea batho ka kotloloho, le 27:24.228 --> 27:26.240 hore Switzerland e tla senya boitsebahatso ba eona. 27:26.240 --> 27:28.300 Sena se tlameha ho thibeloa ka mefuta eohle. 27:28.300 --> 27:32.098 Hantle haholo. E, tseo ke lipakane tse phahameng. Re o lakaletsa katleho e kgolo, Monghadi Rimoldi. 27:32.098 --> 27:32.540 Kea leboha haholo. 27:32.540 --> 27:38.415 Mme ruri re tla dula re buisana. Ke a leboha haholo ka puisano ena le ka maikutlo a hao mabapi le Molao wa E-ID. 27:38.415 --> 27:39.649 Kea leboha haholo. Kea leboha.