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Sawubona babukeli abathandekayo, namuhla samukela
umongameli womkhankaso we-MASS-VOLL! uNicolas Rimoldi.

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MASS-VOLL! – inyakazo yenkululeko, ubukhosi
nokuzimela kanye namalungelo ayisisekelo.

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Namuhla sikhuluma ngalokho okubizwa
nge-E-ID kanye noMthetho we-E-ID.

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Siyakwamukela, Mnu. Rimoldi!

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Ngiyabonga kakhulu ngomemo.

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Ungasho amagama ambalwa kulabo abangakayazi lutho
ngalokhu okwamanje – i-E-ID iyini ngempela,

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ingabe iyiphi uhlobo lomthetho? Ungachaza kafushane?

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NgoDisemba odlule, iKhonsili Yezwe nePhalamende banquma
ukuthi manje kufanele kwethulwe ubunikazi bakagesi kubo bonke.

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Usexwayisa nge-e-ID kusukela ngo-2017,
futhi mhla ziyi-28 kuSepthemba kulo nyaka,

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abantu baseSwitzerland bazovota ngalo mthetho.

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Ucabanga ukuthi yini eshintshile
eminyakeni eyisishiyagalombili kusukela ngo-2017?

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Ngeshwa, kakhulu. Iqiniso lokuthi izindlela ezintsha
zobuchwepheshe zingasetshenziswa ukwandisa umbuso wokugada

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akuyona into entsha futhi sekuyabonakala iminyaka eminingi.

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Ngalesi simo, eminyakeni eyisishiyagalombili edlule, ngineminyaka
engu-22, ngaxwayisa ukuthi uma amakhadi

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obu-identithi ezodijithalishwa, kungakhuphuka
kakhulu ukuqapha nokulawula bonke izakhamuzi.

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Eminyakeni eyisishiyagalombili edlule, le
nkathazo isiqhubeke isiqinisekisa ukuthi iyiqiniso.

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Kwethulwe izivimbelo nemikhawulo eziningi
kakhulu kusuka kwesobunxele kuya kwesokudla.

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Ukuthuthukiswa okusha embonini yokubhekwa kombuso, izigebengu
zomshwalense, amandla amaningi kwezinsizakalo zobuhlakani,

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amathuluzi amaningi okubhekwa ngokujwayelekile, okwenzeka
ngenxa yobuchwepheshe obusha nokuthuthuka kobuchwepheshe.

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Kanti-ke ngo-2020/2021, kwavela imikhawulo engalungile
ye-coronavirus ehlanganisa izitifiketi, ukuvalwa komphakathi,

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ukugonywa okuphoqelekile, kanye nokucwasa okukhulu ezinkundleni
zokuxhumana kusetshenziswa ama-algorithm amasha asekelwe yi-AI.

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Futhi manje, eminyakeni eyisishiyagalombili
kamuva, sesiseduze ngempela nokwethula

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ukuphoqelelwa kwedijithali nobunikazi bedijithali.

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Futhi yilokho ngempela okuyisisekelo esiyinhloko
sekusasa lapho kungasekho muntu ofuna ngempela ukuphila khona.

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Esikhathini esizayo esilawulwa ngokuphelele ukuqapha
nokulawulwa, ukufundiswa kabusha kanye nokususwa

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ngokuphelele kwamalungelo omuntu ozimele – umuntu ngamunye.

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Manje sesizwe ezinkundleni zezindaba ukuthi i-MASS-VOLL! isibe
idakiwe nokuthi nihlasele i-referendamu. Ingabe lokho kuyiqiniso?

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Ngicabanga ukuthi besizokwenza
okungalungile uma imidiya yakudala iqala ukusidumisa.

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Khona-ke ngempela besizobe sesindleleni engalungile.

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Mhlawumbe, yebo.

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Iqiniso lokuthi imithombo yezindaba yakudala
isihlambalaza futhi isihlambalaza kaningi

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kuyingxenye yebhizinisi yansuku zonke. Kulungile.

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Impela, selokhu kwasungulwa i-MASS-VOLL! ngoFebhuwari
2021, sihlangabezane kaningi nokumelana ngaphakathi kohlelo.

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Sifuna ukushintsha lolu hlelo futhi sibe
nolunye olubeka izakhamuzi phakathi nendawo ngempela.

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Akukhona ukuthi amaqembu kusuka kwesobunxele kuya kwesokudla
ayeka amalungelo ayisisekelo, kodwa ukuthi ekugcineni ayeke.

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Kuyisimo sezinto ukuthi siyisihlakala ohlangothini lolu hlelo.

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Iqiniso lokuthi bakhuluma kabi ngathi liyingxenye yesivumelwano.

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Siyinhlangano yokulwela amalungelo abantu futhi sihlale
silwa nokuphoqelelwa. Siphikisa izitifiketi eziphoqelekile,

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izimaski eziphoqelekile, nemijovo yokugoma ephoqelekile.

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Ngakho-ke kunengqondo futhi kuhambisana
ukuthi thina, njengomkhankaso wamalungelo abantu,

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siphinde silwe nokuphoqelelwa kwedijithali.

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I-e-ID izoletha imikhawulo. Uma
kuqhathaniswa nalokho, i-COVID-19 izobonakala sengathi

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yiphathi yokugubha usuku lokuzalwa lwezingane.

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Ngiyabonga ngokuchaza.

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Ungachaza kabanzi kancane ukuthi kungani
nisungule i-referendamu yokuphikisa uMthetho we-E-ID?

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Inhloso eyinhloko emhlabeni wanamuhla ukuya
ekulawulweni okwengeziwe kakhulu

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nasekunciphiseni kwamalungelo ayisisekelo kwabantu ngabanye.

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Asikubonanga lokhu eminyakeni emine noma emihlanu edlule
kuphela, kodwa eminyakeni eyishumi noma emibili edlule.

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Impela, abezepolitiki manje bazofika
bathi i-e-ID izohlala ivolontiya kubo bonke.

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Ubani osakholelwa kubo? Mhlawumbe akekho.

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EJalimane, isivumelwano sokubambisana kukahulumeni
kaMerz sithi wonke umuntu okwaziwayo kumele athole i-e-ID.

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Futhi manje sebenezazisi zikagesi emazweni amaningi.

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Futhi akazange ahlale kunoma yiliphi
izwe ngokuphelele ngokuzithandela kwakhe.

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E-Estonia naseSweden, udinga i-e-ID ukuze usebenzise ibhange
eku-inthanethi, ezempilo, imithi, izintela, amamaki

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ezikoleni zezingane zakho, ilayisensi yakho
yokushayela, ukuxhumana neziphathimandla, njll., njll., njll.

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Manje-ke abaphathi bethu bezepolitiki beza
bathi ngokungathi sína ukuthi eSwitzerland

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kusahlala kuyinto yokuzithandela ngokuphelele.

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Lokho kuwumbango nje. Kufanele kushiwo ngokusobala.

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E-Austria, isibonelo, uma usebenzisa i-e-ID yakho
ezinqubweni zokuphatha, uthola isaphulelo esingu-40% ezimali.

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Lena yimfuno yokuzithandela
ephoqelekile esijwayele yona kusukela ngo-2020.

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Okwengeziwe kulokhu ukuthi lo mkhawulo
wedijithali usephawuleka kakhulu kulo nyaka.

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E-England, isibonelo, udinga i-e-ID ukuze uvakashele i-Wikipedia.

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E-USA, ukuqinisekiswa kobudala kuyadingeka ku-YouTube.

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I-Spotify isivele imemezele.

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eSwitzerland, lokhu kusho ukuthi udinga i-e-ID
ukuze ungene ebhange eku-inthanethi, ebhange

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eku-inthanethi, ngisho nangokufinyelela ku-inthanethi.

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IJalimane selethule izinkomishana zikagesi. Imithi
ekhishwe ngodokotela manje itholakala kuphela

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ngenkomishana yedijithali. Nokho, lolu hlelo luhlala hluleka.

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Abantu abatholi imithi yabo esindisa
izimpilo ngoba lolu hlelo lubi nje ngokuphelele.

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Kumele siyeke lo mkhuba wedijithali manje lapha.

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Ilungu leKhonsili yoMbuso uRösti useke wathi
ufuna ukuqeda ukulethwa kwezincwadi nsuku zonke

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nokuchaza kabusha isibopho senkonzo jikelele.

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Futhi imizi nemizi emaphandleni kude
ayisasebenzi ngesivikelo sezincwadi.

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Njengendlela ehlukile, manje inikeza incwadi
kagesi. Futhi ukuze uthole incwadi kagesi, udinga i-e-ID.

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Umlimi wasentabeni manje kumele abhalisele
i-e-ID ukuze akwazi ukukhokha ibhili lakhe kagesi.

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Kunezibonelo ezingenakubalwa zokhu,
kuhlanganisa neSwitzerland nakwamanye amazwe amaningi.

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I-e-ID idala imvelo entsha enkulu yokwengamela nokulawula,
lapho, ngokungafani ne-GDR, awusadingi ummeli ongakubheka.

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Konke kulawulwa yi-AI.

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Udinga amaseva ambalwa, futhi ubuhlakani bokwenziwa bungabheka
futhi bulawule abantu abangenakubalwa ngasikhathi sinye.

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Lokho kuyingozi kakhulu.

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Futhi kukhona abantu abathi, "Hhayi,
akungithinti." Kodwa kuthinta wonke umuntu.

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Lokhu kuzoholela ngokushesha ekubeni kube nezazisi zikagesi
eziphoqelekile ezinkundleni zebhola ngenxa yodlame

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lwabalandeli, noma ezinkundleni zokuxhumana, noma
kwezinye izinto eziningi egameni lokuvikela intsha.

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Rockstar , umshicileli we-GTA 6 , isivele imemezele
ukuthi kuzodingeka i-e-ID ukuze udlale lo mdlalo.

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Lokhu kuthinta yonke imidlalo. Kuthinta
ngempela zonke izigaba zabantu abavinjelwe lapha.

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Futhi lokho akufanele kwenzeke.

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Yebo, yilokho ngempela okukhanga abantu kakhulu kulesi
simiso. Futhi kamuva uyabaphoqa ukuthi bangene kuso.

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Umxhasi we-e-ID, uFranz Grüter, uthi kulokhu
i-e-ID iyi-100% ephethwe nguhulumeni, okusho ukuthi

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iphethwe futhi iqhutshwa ngokuphelele nguhulumeni.

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Abaxhasi futhi bathi i-e-ID yokuqala yaphikwa
yizakhamuzi ngo-2021 ngoba bengafuni ukuthi ibe

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ezandleni zabucala, kodwa esandleni sikahulumeni.

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Kodwa empeleni, kukhuluma ngento ehlukile. Uthi yini ngalokho?

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Bengivele ngiphambili ngaleso sikhathi
futhi ngalwa ne-e-ID ngisho ngaleso sikhathi.

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Kimina nakwabanye abaningi, kwacaca: asifuni i-e-ID nhlobo.

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Asinandaba ukuthi kwenziwe ngasese noma nguhulumeni.

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Ngokwami, ngikhathazeke kakhulu ngokugxila kwamandla
ezandleni zombuso, ngoba abantu ngabanye abanaso

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isibambiso ekusebenziseni udlame – okwamanje okungenjalo.

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NgePalantir , lokhu kuzokwenzeka eminyakeni embalwa ezayo.
Kodwa ngezinkampani ezizimele, nginokukhululeka kokukhetha.

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Uma ibhange elilodwa lingifuni, ngingaya kwelinye ibhange.

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Uma ngingafuni ukusebenzisa
i-Google, ngisebenzisa okunye, i-GrapheneOS.

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Anginayo le nkululeko yokukhetha ngokuhambisana nohulumeni.

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Uma umbuso wethula i-e-ID, izophoqelelwa
ngokubusa kwawo kuphela ekusebenziseni amandla,

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ngezijeziso, izinhlelo zokuthembeka komphakathi, njll.

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Ucwaningo olwenziwa ngemva kokhetho
luphinde lwavezela ukuthi abantu babekhathazekile

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kakhulu ngokuntuleka kokuvikelwa kwedatha.

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Akubalulekile nhlobo ukuthi ivela
kuhulumeni noma kubantu ngabanye.

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Ngamanye amazwi, impikiswano abaxhasi
abayivezayo yokuthi abantu bafuna nje i-e-ID ekhishwe

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nguhulumeni imayelana nje nokulandela umkhondo.

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Amandla amaningi kuhulumeni, amandla
amancane kubantu, njengoba kuchazwe ngaphambilini.

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Futhi lokho nakho akunasisekelo nhlobo,
ngoba le e-ID ayikhiqizwa nguhulumeni.

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Umbuso awukwazi ukukhokhela inqubo
yokukhipha lesi sikhombi sobu sikhombi sikagesi.

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Sonke siyazi izibonelo ezingenakubalwa lapho
iphrojekthi ye-IT kahulumeni eyodwa ngemuva

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kwenye ihambe kabi ngokuphelele – kaningi kaningi.

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Yebo, ungakuzwa lokho.

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Ngenhlanhla, uhulumeni wethu awukwazi
ngempela uma kuziwa ezindabeni zedijithali.

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Lokhu kusisiza ukuthi siphile
lapha ngenkululeko isikhashana eside.

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Lapha, i-e-ID ikhishwa yinkampani
yangasese, okungukuthi i-ELCA Group.

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Iqembu le-ELCA liyingaphansi komuntu
ofanayo owuphinde abe nguumnikazi weSerafe.

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Ngempela, yebo?

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Futhi bahlela uhlelo lokuhambanisa izithombe zobuso, lokukhipha
i-e-ID. Manje sekucaca ukuthi akuphathwa nguhulumeni kuphela.

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Lapha, izinkampani ezizimele zenza izigidi
namabhiliyoni ngedatha yethu eyimfihlo kakhulu.

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Futhi i-e-ID izosebenza kuphela
kumadivayisi e-Apple nawase-Google.

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Futhi lokho kusebenza kanjani ngokwezobuchwepheshe?
Ifoni inekhamera yangaphambili. Kufanele uzazise ngayo.

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Futhi ukuze uhulumeni akwazi ukufinyelela kule foni
nhlobo, udinga isixhumi esivela ku-Apple naku-Google.

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Futhi, vele, abakuniki lokhu kuhulumeni waseSwitzerland mahhala.

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Futhi angifuni ukuthi uhulumeni abe kuwo
wonke ucingo – ngokusemthethweni nangokomthetho.

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Futhi ubani owaziyo ukuthi bazokwenzani ngakho
– akuphathwa nguhulumeni kuphela, konke amanga.

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Izinkampani ezizimele zenza ingcebo ngakho.

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Kuthiwani ngobuwena? Ingabe
kuphephile, noma kungaba nokwebiwa kobuwena?

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Yebo, kulula kakhulu, kulula kakhulu.

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E-Estonia, lapho i-e-ID isetshenziswe iminyaka
engaphezu kwamashumi amabili, abantu abangama-750

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000 muva nje babhekene nengozi yokwebiwa kobuwena.

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Wonke umuntu uyazi – kudingeka nje uvule
amaphephandaba kanye ngosuku – ukuthi lezi zinhlelo azikaze

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zibe nokuphepha okwanele ukubhekana nento enjengale.

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Siyibona nsuku zonke, njengokuhulumeni nasemabuthweni ezempi,
idatha iphunyuka iye ku-darknet , kubahakeri, emphakathini.

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Futhi-ke ukucabanga ukuthi idatha yethu siqu
ivikelwe kuyisibonelo sobuwula obukhulu nje.

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Kuyiqiniso futhi ukuthi lapho uKhansela Kazwelonke uJans muva nje
ebambe ingqungquthela yezindaba esekela i-e-ID, waphula

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isikhundla sakhe sokuba uKhansela Kazwelonke ngokubamba ucingo
ngesandla esisodwa nekadi lakhe lobu sikhombisi ngesandla esinye.

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Wayefuna ukunika abantu ithemba. "Bheka,
akukho ngozi, ngizokukhombisa isazisi sami!"

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Kodwa ufihle inombolo yekhadi lakhe ekhoneni eliphezulu
kwesokudla, ngoba iKhonsili Yezwe iyazi kahle ukuthi uma manje

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nginayo isithombe sekhadi lakhe sokuzazisa kanye namavidiyo
amaningi akhe – atholakala kalula njengoba eyisihlabani

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somphakathi – ngingasebenzisa kalula ubuhlakani
bokwenziwa ukudala i-deepfake , ngikhohlise

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ubunikazi bakhe futhi ngithole i-e-ID egameni lakhe.

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Lokhu sekudalulwe kakade futhi
kwasetshenziswa kabi emazweni amaningi.

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Okudingayo kuvidiyo kuphela nesithombe sekhadi lakho lokuzazisa.

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IKhonsili Kazwelonke iyakwazi lokhu, iveza
isazisi sayo, kodwa ifihla ikhodi nenombolo.

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Uhulumeni akanakuba amanga kakhulu.

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Lokho akwenzeli ukuba nethemba kuleli cala.

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Cha ngempela.

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Uma sithatha ukuthi i-e-ID izokwethulwa naphezu
komkhankaso, yini okungaba isimo esibi kakhulu kithi?

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Kufanele sikhumbule ukuthi ukuvota kuzoba ngomhlaka
28 Septhemba. Lokho akusishiyeli isikhathi esiningi.

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Intengo yokumelana manje iphansi kakhulu uma kuqhathaniswa
nalokho esizodinga ukukuchitha nokukukhokha eminyakeni emithathu,

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emine noma eyishumi ukuze sigcine noma yikuphi ukukhululeka.

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Imali esandleni izosuswa ngokwethulwa kwe-e-ID.

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Kuzoba nemikhawulo ephezulu yefrenki
yaseSwitzerland yedijithali, nemikhawulo yokuba ngumnikazi.

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Umbuso uchaza ukuthi lokhu kungachithwa kuphi.

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Ngakho-ke uma ungakayihloli noma iyiphi isitifiketi
se-coronavirus noma ungudokotela okhishile izitifiketi

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zemask, ungavalwa – uzobe usungenamsebenzi futhi ulambile.

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Amaphuzu wesikweletu somphakathi ayafika: njengoba manje
usuyisigebengu futhi ngingakuletha isinkwa,

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amanzi, ubisi futhi ngibe nokuxhumana nawe,
ngilahlekelwa amaphuzu futhi nami ngiba isigebengu.

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Ngakho-ke lokhu kuwukucwasa, ukuxoshwa emphakathini, okungakaze
sibone okufana nakho ngaphambili, ngisho nasezikhathini

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zobhubhane lwe-coronavirus kithi abantu abangagonyelwanga.

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Bese-ke, impela, unokubona ubuso yonke indawo, amahora
angama-24 ngosuku, izinsuku eziyisikhombisa ngesonto.

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Uhulumeni uyazi ukuthi wonke umuntu uphi
nokuthi benza ini ngaso sonke isikhathi.

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Kanti-ke uyajeziswa. Okushicilela ezinkundleni
zokuxhumana kungase kungathandeki kuhulumeni.

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Okuthile okuphikisana nezombusazwe
zobulili, inkolo yesimo sezulu, noma yini.

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Khona-ke mhlawumbe ukuziphatha kwakho akulandeli
imithetho: ushayela imoto kaphethiloli. Udla inyama.

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Khona-ke izinkokhelo zakho zomshwalense wezempilo ziyenyuka.

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Futhi manje lo mugqa wemiphumela engemihle ungandiswa kakhulu.

14:25.297 --> 14:31.538
Sinemithetho emisha eminingi yezinkulumo
zokuzonda – eSwitzerland, kulo lonke elaseYurophu.

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Sinezindlela eziningi ezintsha zokuqapha ezizayo.

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Futhi lokho kuwuhlaselo oluyisisekelo
kuwo wonke amalungelo ethu ayisisekelo.

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Lezi izinguquko empilweni yansuku zonke yabantu bonke
ezingakaze zibonwe kusukela kwethulwa i-inthanethi.

14:46.856 --> 14:52.791
Abantu kumele bazi ngalokhu. Futhi lezi yizimo
ezesabekayo zangempela ezisongela thina manje.

14:52.791 --> 14:59.916
Ushintsho oluphelele noluyisisekelo
emvelweni yangempela yokuba khona.

14:59.916 --> 15:05.695
Akusekho inkululeko yokucabanga, akusekho inkululeko
yokukhuluma – sekusesimweni esidabukisayo namuhla.

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Awusakwazi ukufinyelela ku-Netflix noma ukuthola iposi.

15:09.280 --> 15:11.242
Awusakwazi nhlobo ukufinyelela ku-inthanethi.

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Ungahlela kanjani ukumelana, wazise abantu, ubanze
imibhikisho, noma wakhe – njenge-MASS-VOLL! – ukumelana

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kwezombusazwe, uma lokho kungafezeka kuphela nge-e-ID?

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Khona-ke, vele, isitifiketi sokugoma sizofakwa futhi ku-e-ID
– konke – tutti – izimvume zokufunda – konke okungenzeka.

15:28.183 --> 15:30.860
Lokhu kuyasibabaza uma singakumisa manje.

15:30.860 --> 15:38.517
Yebo, empeleni linikeza uhulumeni amandla
amaningi kakhulu okuhlupha izakhamuzi ezingathandeki.

15:38.517 --> 15:44.660
Isimo manje ukuthi kwamanye amazwe
sekunama-e-ID. Ezinye izizwe seziyethule.

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Unazo yini izibonelo ezimbalwa zethu? Iyini isimo sazo?

15:48.476 --> 15:54.758
Yebo, ngokujabulisayo, i-e-ID manje izokwethulwa kuyo
yonke i-EU ngo-2026 nango-2027 ngasikhathi sinye,

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sengathi ngokuthinta inkinobho. Iphrojekthi enkulu ehlangene.

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Lena yimbangela enkulu yokukhathazeka, ngoba kuzo
zonke izizwe lapho i-e-ID isethuliwe kuze kube

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manje, ayikaze ihlale iyinketho. Kuzoba kanjalo lapha.

16:10.081 --> 16:17.042
Muva nje e-Austria, lapho uthisha
axoshwe ngoba engafuni i-E-ID Austria.

16:17.042 --> 16:22.125
Kwathi ngokuzumayo, "Kulungile, inkontileka yomsebenzi,
kufanele wenze izinhlelo zokubhala umculo" – noma yini.

16:22.125 --> 16:31.846
Lapho-ke kuba sobi ngempela. I-US nayo iyayethula,
kanjalo namaBrithani namaJalimane. Manje isifika yonke indawo.

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Uyasebenza kakhulu emkhankasweni.
Usaneminingi okufanele uyenze. Unabaxhasi abaningi.

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Ungayixhasa kanjani ngempela imikhankaso enamandla kangaka?

16:42.400 --> 16:49.135
Ngomuntu ngamunye. Ngokungafani namaqembu ezombusazwe
noma izinhlangano ezingahulumeni, asinabo abaxhasi abakhulu

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bezimali ngemuva, izinkampani noma uxhaso lukahulumeni.

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Konke esikwenzayo lapha kusekelwa yiminikelo
emincane evela kubantu ngabanye, ngendlela yomgogodla.

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Ngezama zokuzithandela zabantu abangenakubalwa.

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Lena nje amandla omgwaqo, aqondiswe
ekufezeni umgomo owodwa: ukuvimbela le e-ID.

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Ngoba ngokungafani nomhlaba wonke, singakwazi
ngempela ukumisa lokhu lapha ngereferendamu.

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Akekho omunye onalo ilungelo. Masisebenzise ngokugcwele.

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Kuhle kakhulu, yebo.

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Manje, noma ngisho nangokuba ne-e-ID,
kunezinhlangano ezahlukene ezimelene nayo.

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Ngeshwa, ngisho lapha, lezi zinhlangano,
nakuba empeleni zinezinjongo ezifanayo,

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sezihlukanile futhi zaqala ukulwa komunye nomunye.

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Inkinga ithi sonke – zonke izinyakatho zokuvuselelwa kwengqondo,
zonke izinyakatho zobulungisa, zonke izinyakatho zokuthula

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– sinenhloso efanayo. Lokhu kufaka phakathi nathi kwa-Kla.TV.

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Sikhuphula ukuqwashisa; sonke sinositha
ofanayo, ngingathi, isitha esivamile.

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Lezi zimiso ezimbi, ezifuna ukubusa umhlaba wonke
ngokuphelele, zisebenza ngasemva futhi sezithole

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ukufinyelela ezintweni ezibamba amandla cishe kuyo yonke indawo.

18:09.419 --> 18:18.746
Futhi sifuna ukuvimbela lawa mabutho amabi ekufezeni
izinhloso zawo, sifuna ukunqoba ndawonye kwenye indawo phesheya.

18:18.746 --> 18:23.824
Wena uyasebenza kuyo, nathi siyayisebenza
kuyo, nabanye abaningi nabo bayasebenza kuyo.

18:23.824 --> 18:30.089
Kodwa uma lezi zinhlangano zokulwela ubulungisa manje seziqala
ukusebenzisana ngokumelene, noma ngabe, isibonelo, okuthile

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akuzange kuhambe kahle ekubambisaneni,
mhlawumbe omunye wabo noma omunye wabo waphathwa

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ngokungafanele noma ngokungekho emthethweni.

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Kodwa nje siqala ukugxila amandla ethu hhayi kulesi sitha
esivamile, kodwa ekulweni komunye nomunye, ngaleso sikhathi

18:46.048 --> 18:55.477
sihoxisa amandla ethu kulomzabalazo ovamile wokulwa
nesitha esivamile, bese siba namandla okuncane okulwa, ngokuthi.

18:55.477 --> 19:01.349
Futhi yilokho ngempela inkinga, ukuthi lo mhlahlandlela
uhlala uholela ekutheni amandla esiwadingayo kuleli

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phikiswano angasasetshenziswa ukulwa nesitha sethu esivamile.

19:05.728 --> 19:12.720
Futhi ngeshwa, nathi
sesikuhlangabezane nakho lokhu, manje nakwi-e-ID.

19:12.720 --> 19:20.507
Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi ngempela kumele sivimbele lokho
ukuthi kwenzeke, futhi siphakamise ukuqwashisa emizameni

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yemfundo yokuthi akufanele silahle umgomo esiwuhlanganyela.

19:24.942 --> 19:27.072
Impela, ngaphandle kwalokho asinathuba.

19:27.072 --> 19:34.057
Yebo. Ngiphinde ngifuna ukucaphuna
u-Ivo Sasek ovela ku-AZK yesi-21.

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Lokhu kuvela enkulumweni ethi "Amandla Omoya Ahambisanayo".
Kuyo, uIvo Sasek uthi ngqo ukuthi yini ebaluleke kakhulu.

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Uthi: "Sonke siyabunye. Sonke sidlala
emaqenjini afanayo. Singethimba elilodwa."

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Lokho kusho ukuthi asikaze sibe nokuncintisana phakathi kwethu.

19:49.508 --> 19:53.443
Akukho ukuncintisana phakathi kwethu
abakhulumi bokukhanya abakhululekile.

19:53.443 --> 19:59.982
Asingabantu abafuna ukuzibonakalisa sibalulekile,
lapho wonke umuntu efuna ukuba ngcono kunabo bonke.

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Ngithi, uma ngingakwenza ube mkhulu, nami ngizoba mkhulu kakhulu.

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Futhi uyaqhubeka wathi: "Singamnqoba kuphela lo
mphikisi womkhathi wonke ngokuhlanganyela amandla nokusebenza

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ndawonye njengesidalwa esihlangene futhi esisebenzayo."

20:18.660 --> 20:21.156
Ngale ndlela kuphela esingazuza inzuzo ehlala njalo.

20:21.156 --> 20:25.445
Futhi uma singanqobi ngokubambisana
okuhlanganisiwe, sonke sihlulwe ndawonye.

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Yinkinga yethu leyo. Kodwa lapho sithola
inzuzo, kungenxa yokuthi senza konke ndawonye,

20:30.247 --> 20:32.805
hhayi ngenxa yomunye kuphela noma komunye.

20:32.805 --> 20:38.625
Ngicabanga ukuthi yisisho esihle kakhulu. Ikhombisa
ukuthi empeleni sikhona kuphi, ukuthi sisekelana.

20:38.625 --> 20:42.341
Yingakho manje sisekela umkhankaso wakho.

20:42.341 --> 20:44.703
Uyazizwa kanjani ngempela lokhu?
Wake wazizwa kanjalo ngaphambili?

20:44.703 --> 20:48.512
Noma-ke inhlangano yakho isikaze ihlaselwe?

20:48.512 --> 20:54.943
Ngeshwa kaningi kakhulu, yebo, ngoba kubalulekile
ukuthi wonke umuntu aqonde ukuthi ungawina

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kuphela uma usebenzisa yonke ipeni ngomzuzwana ngamunye.

20:59.021 --> 21:07.661
Uma unenhlelo esebenzayo futhi nisebenzisana ngobuhlakani
nangokucophelela, ngoba "lowomuntu" unamandla

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kakhulu, uhlakaniphile futhi uchwepheshe kulokho
akwenzayo, ngakho-ke nathi kumele sibe kanjalo.

21:16.089 --> 21:23.063
Abantu kumele futhi baqonde ukuthi
izizathu zokuzwela kumele zibekwe eceleni.

21:23.063 --> 21:27.626
Ngoba ungahlala ulwa ezithiyweni uma isitha sesinqotshiwe.

21:27.626 --> 21:32.411
Kodwa kuqala, kumele sisebenzise wonke
amandla ethu silwe nabaxhasi bomhlaba wonke

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futhi simise i-e-ID ngazo zonke izindlela.

21:34.225 --> 21:39.487
Asinayo nhlobo isikhathi sokuxabana okuncane
nakunoma yini enye, ngakho-ke siyazigwema.

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Ngeshwa, lokhu kwenzeka kithi kaningi, kodwa
ngokuvamile laba ngabantu abangasebenzi kakhulu futhi

21:46.551 --> 21:50.541
banelisekile ukushiya amazwana ahlekisayo ku-Facebook.

21:50.541 --> 21:56.699
Futhi vele siyabamenyisa ukuthi bahlanganyele:
"Kulungile, ngena kuyo, khuluma nathi,

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zibandakanye!" bese sihlale siqondisa izinto ngendlela eyakha.

22:01.380 --> 22:06.802
Ngoba ngikholelwa ukuthi akekho
olahlekile. Wonke umuntu angasindiswa.

22:06.802 --> 22:11.933
Uhlela kanjani ukufinyelela kubantu
nokubakhuthaza ukuthi bahlanganyele lo mkhankaso?

22:11.933 --> 22:23.009
Sihlanganise umkhankaso omkhulu, onamandla futhi, ngokombono
wami siqu, omuhle kakhulu esake sawenza thina kwa-MASS-VOLL!

22:23.009 --> 22:29.118
Abantu bethu njengamanje baxakekile ukunamathisela
izibhengezo ezingenakubalwa kuyo yonke iSwitzerland.

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Senze ama-lighter lapha ukuze siwasabalalise kubantu.

22:34.222 --> 22:38.160
Sethule umkhankaso ngezilimi ezintathu.

22:38.160 --> 22:45.615
Sinezitikha lapha ngesiJalimane, ngesiFulentshi nangesiTaliana.

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Sifake ngempela konke esingakwenza kukho.

22:49.104 --> 22:58.191
Nakanjani, sinazo neziqhuzulo zebhalkhoni ezingalelwa
yilowo nalowo. Lezi nazo zitholakala ngezilimi ezintathu.

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Lo mkhankaso ngeke uwine ngokwawo.

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Lomkhankaso linganqotshwa – ngamanye amazwi, i-e-ID
kanye nazo zonke izinto ezesabekayo engizibalule

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ngaphambilini zingavinjelwa – uma wonke umuntu ebamba iqhaza.

23:10.244 --> 23:16.408
Noma ubani angakwazi ukuxhuma ifulegi enjalo ebhalkonini
noma ewindini lakhe bese efaka izitikha ezimbalwa kuyo.

23:16.408 --> 23:21.409
Impela, kuphela endaweni yakho yangasese,
hhayi ezimotweni zamaphoyisa noma okufana nakho.

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Noma ubani angakwenza. Kungakwenzeka noma kuphi.

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Noma unike umuntu odlayo ugwayi
isilayida bese umdonsela ukunaka ekhethweni.

23:28.349 --> 23:39.901
Impela, saphinde sakha ama-T-shirt, manje agqokwa abantu
abaningi futhi ase esephenduke amabhodi okukhangisa ahambayo.

23:39.901 --> 23:47.852
Ngalendlela uyaphuma emhlabeni! Ngoba
awukwazi ukunqoba ivoti ezinkundleni zokuxhumana.

23:47.852 --> 23:53.901
Kukhona i-SRF exhaswa ngokuphoqelelwa, enamandla
kakhulu futhi efinyelela kude kakhulu kunathi.

23:53.901 --> 23:58.335
Kumele sithole izindlela ezintsha
zokufinyelela kubantu ngokwethu.

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Futhi lokho ngempela kuwumthwalo womuntu ngamunye kithi.

24:02.069 --> 24:08.619
Siphinde senze iflayara ngezilimi
ezintathu. Amakhasi ayisithupha, i-A4.

24:08.619 --> 24:14.106
Futhi ngempela sinakho konke lapho ngaphakathi.
Ngakho-ke izimpikiswano zikhona lapho ngaphakathi.

24:14.106 --> 24:22.940
Futhi okubaluleke kakhulu lapha nguKarin Keller-Sutter,
osekethembise ngo-2021: i-e-ID ngeke ihlale ingokuzithandela.

24:22.940 --> 24:26.409
Lona uMongameli wethu wamanje.

24:26.409 --> 24:33.040
Futhi lapho ethi akahlali ngokuzithandela, singakukholwa kalula.

24:33.040 --> 24:38.987
Futhi esikubheka njengento ebaluleke
kakhulu yikhadi lokuvota ngo-2021.

24:38.987 --> 24:44.241
Nge-64.4%, amaSwisi bathi cha.

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Zonke izifunda, zonke izifundazwe zathi cha.

24:47.557 --> 24:51.123
Futhi ungayalela lo mbhalo wokukhangisa kithi bese ulusabalalisa.

24:51.123 --> 24:55.479
Ngakho-ke okubalulekile lapha
ukuzibophezela kwabo bonke. Futhi-ke sizowina.

24:55.479 --> 24:59.049
Impela, asikhulu kangako, asinamandla
kangako, futhi asinayo imali eningi kangako.

24:59.049 --> 25:06.144
Abaxhasi balo ucindezelo, abafuna
ukucindezela abantu nokuzuza kulo, banezizigidi.

25:06.144 --> 25:12.865
Impela, asinakho okuningi kangako. Kodwa ngicabanga ukuthi
uDavide angamnqoba uGoliya lapha uma sikhuthazekile ngokwanele,

25:12.865 --> 25:16.579
sinesibindi, sinobuhlakani bocwangciso futhi silwe njengomunye.

25:16.579 --> 25:20.741
Kuhle kakhulu, yebo. Usuvele wathi okuningi
ngalokho umuntu ngamunye angakwenza.

25:20.741 --> 25:23.520
Ingabe kukhona okunye ongangeza, noma sekwanele?

25:23.520 --> 25:29.980
Ngicabanga ukuthi kubalulekile futhi ukuthumela leli
phakethe lokuphromotha kuwo wonke amakhaya aseSwitzerland.

25:29.980 --> 25:36.882
Sinethuluzi kuwebhusayithi lapho ungaxhasa
imiphakathi emincane noma emikhulu, futhi wonke

25:36.882 --> 25:40.809
umuntu uzothola leli phakethe ngolimi lwakhe.

25:40.809 --> 25:44.646
Futhi yilokho okukuvumela ukuthi ufinyelele kubantu
ongabe ungakaze ubafinyelele. Futhi ubani owaziyo

25:44.646 --> 25:46.739
ukuthi uzofinyelela bani nokuthi lokho kuzovusa ini.

25:46.739 --> 25:51.760
Singase sithole enye iminikelo emikhulu.
Lokhu kuzosisiza ukuba sifake amaphosta amasha.

25:51.760 --> 25:56.377
Futhi yingakho kubalulekile kakhulu ukuthi wonke umuntu
abambe iqhaza nganoma iyiphi indlela abangakwenza ngayo.

25:56.377 --> 26:03.117
Ngamanye amazwi, iphosta iboniswa futhi sithola amakhulu
amaphawundi ukuze sikwazi ukukhiqiza izinto ezintsha futhi.

26:03.117 --> 26:09.070
Ngakho-ke ngiyaqiniseka ukuthi
singaphikisa ngempela lolu hlelo olucindezelayo.

26:09.070 --> 26:11.707
Noma siyawina noma asiyawini, sizobona.

26:11.707 --> 26:16.052
Kodwa okubalulekile ngempela ukuthi
ulwe ngazo zonke izindlela zakho.

26:16.052 --> 26:21.580
Futhi ngithanda ukucela wonke umuntu ukuthi enze
kanjalo, ngoba leli ngelinye lamathuba ethu wokugcina.

26:21.580 --> 26:25.792
Kuhle kakhulu, ngithanda futhi ukusekela lokhu futhi.
Babukeli abathandekayo, sicela nisekele umkhankaso.

26:25.792 --> 26:29.635
Futhi uma wonke umuntu enza konke
okusemandleni akhe, ngicabanga ukuthi singayinqanda lokhu.

26:29.635 --> 26:33.081
Izinto zihamba kanjani kuwe siqu naku-MASS-VOLL!

26:33.081 --> 26:39.533
Kuyasebenza. Siyajabula kakhulu ngokuthi sikhula
kangakanani ngokweqiniso ngokwamalungu, umthelela, ukuqwashisa,

26:39.533 --> 26:42.728
ukuthandwa kanye nokuthi sandisa kanjani izakhiwo zethu.

26:42.728 --> 26:45.609
Abantu abaningi abanamakhono, abasha
nabagqugquzelekile bayahlanganyela eqenjini lethu.

26:45.609 --> 26:47.335
Ungakubona lokhu nakuzinkundla zethu zokuxhumana.

26:47.335 --> 26:52.436
Sishicilela iqiniso elisha nge-e-ID lapha nsuku zonke.

26:52.436 --> 26:57.452
Futhi evikini lesibili, amavidiyo amathathu
lapho abaningi kithi bebonisa ubuso babo,

26:57.452 --> 27:01.106
bemukela ukucindezelwa kodwa bemile noma kunjalo.

27:01.106 --> 27:05.286
Kuhamba kahle kakhulu. Nathi
silungiselela izimpi zeminyaka ezayo.

27:05.286 --> 27:14.237
Umthetho omusha we-Epidemic, ohlose ukuqhubekisela phambili
izikhawulo ze-coronavirus, ezazingenabuntu ngempela, unomphela.

27:14.237 --> 27:19.263
Khona-ke, vele, isivumelwano sobugqila
se-EU sisongela ukusibopha eBrussels.

27:19.263 --> 27:26.240
Sizoba yikoloni ye-EU kuphela futhi asisazoba nendlela
yokubusa ngqo, futhi iSwitzerland izobhubhisa ubunikazi bayo.

27:26.240 --> 27:28.300
Lokhu kumele kuvinjelwe nganoma yiziphi izindleko.

27:28.300 --> 27:32.098
Kuhle kakhulu. Yebo, lezo zinjongo
eziphakeme. Sikufisela impumelelo yonke, Mnu Rimoldi.

27:32.098 --> 27:32.540
Ngiyabonga kakhulu.

27:32.540 --> 27:38.415
Futhi nakanjani sizohlala sixhumene. Ngiyabonga kakhulu
ngengxoxo nangokuphawula kwakho mayelana noMthetho we-E-ID.

27:38.415 --> 27:39.649
Ngiyabonga kakhulu. Ngiyabonga.