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Sannu da yamma, Mista Vrabel. Ina farin
cikin cewa ka amince da wannan hira don Kla.TV.

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Idan zan iya gabatar da ku a taƙaice ga masu kallo:

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Kana tsayawa takara a jam'iyyar "The Czech Republic First
(ČR1)" a zaɓen majalisar dokoki mai zuwa a Jamhuriyar Czech.

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Ina matuƙar farin ciki da cewa ka ɗauki lokaci don wannan hira.

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Wataƙila za ka iya taƙaitaccen gabatar da kanka ga masu
kallo daga Jamus da sauran ƙasashe da ba su san ka ba tukuna.

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Da farko, na gode ƙwarai da gayyata.

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Ni mutum ne na kowa da kowa wanda aka
haife shi a kudancin Jamhuriyar Czech.

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Na kasance mai fafutuka a yaki da cin
hanci tun daga 2003 har sai na bar makaranta.

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A wani lokaci tsakanin 2003 da 2025, na
sadaukar da kaina ga yaki da cin hanci da rashawa.

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Tun kusan shekarar 2012, ni ma na
kasance cikin gwagwarmayar yakar hijira.

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Kuma tun daga shekarar 2022, wato a lokacin
annobar coronavirus, tabbas ni ma na yi yaƙi

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don 'yanci da hakkokin 'yan ƙasa da kamfanoni.

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Tun daga shekarar 2022, ina shirya manyan zanga-zanga a
Prague don 'yancin faɗin albarkacin baki da zaman lafiya,

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waɗanda watakila kun kuma gani a kafofin watsa labarai.

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Eh, mun kasance muna bibiyar wannan. Na gode. A
Kla.TV, muna ganin alhakinmu ne mu ba da rahoto

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kan abin da manyan kafofin watsa labarai ke ɓoye.

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Shi ya sa muka gayyace ka zuwa wannan hira.

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Kana neman takarar zabe a zaɓen majalisar
dokoki na 2025. Ka dade kana aiki a harkokin siyasa.

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Sun shirya manyan zanga-zanga a Prague don
zaman lafiya da 'yancin faɗar albarkacin baki.

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Ta yaya kafofin watsa labarai na jama'a suka mayar
maka da martani tun lokacin da ka sanar da takararka?

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Da farko dai, ina so in ce cewa bayan na shirya waɗannan manyan
zanga-zangar a Jamhuriyar Czech, waɗanda watakila su

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ne mafi girma tun bayan juyin juya hali, kafofin
watsa labarai suka fara rubuta munanan abubuwa a kaina.

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Tabbas suna ƙaryata ni kuma suna bata min suna, amma a nan
Jamhuriyar Czech, Ma'aikatar Cikin Gida ta

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ma kafa wani sashe nata da ke da alhakin yin
aiki da jama'a domin sarrafa ra'ayin jama'a.

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Kuma shi ne a wannan sashen, wanda ake kira
"KRIT" , suke da wata takamaiman fayil a kaina.

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Kuma a nan ne daidai inda masana halayyar ɗan adam da ke
aiki a Ma'aikatar Cikin Gida suka yanke shawarar cewa ya zama

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dole su yi mini suka a bainar jama'a su kuma kunyatar da ni.

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To, shi ne abin da kafofin watsa
labarai suka yi a shekarar farko.

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Bayan haka, na fuskanci tarin shari'o'in laifi daga gwamnati
saboda laifukan kudi da takura 'yancin faɗin albarkacin baki.

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Da na yi magana a kan matakan gwamnati na takura
wa 'yancin faɗin albarkacin baki, a ƙarshe na ci

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ƙara ta a Kotun Tsarin Mulki kuma aka wanke ni.

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Amma an kama ni, kuma an shirya ɗaukar ni a tsare.

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Kuma yanzu ina fuskantar wani shari'a a kotu, inda
watakila za su yi ƙoƙarin tuhumar ni da laifukan

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kuɗi, waɗanda, tabbas, su ne kawai zato ne kuma ƙirƙira.

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Tun da na kafa wannan motsin siyasa, kafofin watsa
labarai suna yin shiru a kaina duk lokacin da suka samu dama.

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Idan ba su iya, kamar yadda ya faru lokacin da na ci nasara a
shari'ata a Kotun Tsarin Mulki, to dole ne su ruwaito shi domin

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duk tashoshin talabijin da 'yan sanda sun yi sharhi a kai,
kasancewar hukuncin babba ne sosai, mafi girma cikin

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shekaru da dama a fannin 'yancin faɗar albarkacin baki.
Don haka kafofin watsa labarai dole ne su ruwaito ni.

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Amma in ba haka ba, suna ƙoƙarin hana ni magana.

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A lokacin yakin neman zabe, na bayyana a talabijin na Czech
kwanaki biyu da suka wuce, kuma an ba motsin siyasa namu mintuna

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bakwai na watsa shirye-shirye a duk tsawon yakin neman zabe.

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A cikin waɗancan mintuna bakwai, mai gabatarwa ya yi magana a
kaina har ban sami damar faɗin kome ba, ya kuma

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tambaye ni tambayoyi da ba su da alaƙa da
shirin zaɓe domin ya hana ni magana gwargwadon iko.

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To, a takaice, haka ne yadda manyan kafofin
watsa labarai ke tasiri kan yadda mutane ke

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jefa kuri'a a Jamhuriyar Czech, ko ba haka ba?

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Eh.

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Jigonmu a yau shi ne abin da ake kira adawa mai sarrafawa.

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A cikin kafofin watsa labarai, muna jin labarin
wannan ne kawai dangane da ƙasashe kamar China ko Rasha.

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Amma menene halin da ake ciki a Turai ta Yamma, a
ƙasashen da suka sadaukar da kansu ga ƙimomin dimokuradiyya?

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Menene kimantawarka game da wannan tambayar, Mista Vrabel?

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To, tabbas, abin da ake nuna a bainar jama'a abu ne guda.

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Wannan yana nufin cewa ana sarrafa wani kwaikwayon adawa a
kafofin watsa labarai a matsayin adawa ta gaske, kuma ana

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gudanar da fafatawa tsakanin kawancen da adawa a talabijin.

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A gaskiya, duk da haka, akwai abin da ake kira adawa ta
ƙasa a Jamhuriyar Czech, wadda ta ƙunshi kungiyoyi biyu.

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Jam'iyyu huɗu a dama da jam'iyyu biyar a hagu.

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Kuma waɗannan haɗin gwiwa biyu suna
gabatar da kansu a matsayin adawa ta gaske.

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Matsalata ita ce cewa lokacin da na shiga cikin yaƙin yaki da cin
hanci da rashawa, lokacin da na gaya muku cewa ina aiki sosai a

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cikin yaƙin yaki da cin hanci da rashawa, binciko zamba na kuɗi,
alaƙa da tallafin kuɗi na Turai da kuma satar kuɗaɗen jama'a, da

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kuma masu ɗaukar nauyin jam'iyyun siyasa, waɗannan masu ɗaukar
nauyi da ke aiki a ƙasarmu, ko manyan

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attajiran siyasa da ke aiki a ƙasarmu, waɗanda ke
ɗaukar nauyin jam'iyyun siyasa da 'yan siyasa.

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Na gano wasu daga cikinsu kuma na dakatar
da wasu daga cikin waɗannan mu'amaloli.

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Tun daga 2005, ainihin abokan hamayyata su ne 'yan oligarƙi da ke
ɓoye a bayan fage, suna kafa jam'iyyun siyasa,

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suna tallafa musu don 'yan siyasa a cikin
waɗannan jam'iyyun su ba su kwangilolin gwamnati.

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Shugabannin jam'iyyun siyasa da ke gabatar da
kansu a matsayin adawa, a ce, suna mataki ɗaya ƙasa.

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Yaki na nufin mutanen da a zahiri ke tallafa musu.

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Don haka lokacin da na shirya waɗancan manyan zanga-zangar a
Filin Wenceslas kuma na gayyaci dukkan 'yan adawa su halarta, Na

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yi tsammanin za su haɗu su tabbatar da ikon Jamhuriyar
Czech, amma ban san cewa a bayansu akwai 'yan oligarki da

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nake yaƙi da su, waɗanda ke tallafawa jam'iyyar mulki ba.

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Amma kwatsam sai na gane cewa jam'iyyar mulki, wadda ODS
ke wakilta a yau, a zahiri ta samo asali ne daga gare ta,

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tare da 'yan siyasar ODS, don kafa sabbin jam'iyyun ƙasa.

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Saboda haka, wani irin ODS-B ne, wanda a halin
yanzu mambobin jam'iyyar da ke mulki a yau ke kafa shi.

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Kuma, tabbas, masu daukar nauyin ODS da ODS ta ba su
kwangilolin gwamnati, wanda ya sa kudaden gwamnati suka ɓace,

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kamar yadda na gano, su ne kuma ke daukar nauyin adawar ƙasa.

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Kuma tabbas waɗannan masu ɗaukar nauyi suna ganin ni
barazana saboda na lalata musu yarjejeniyoyi da dama.

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Abin takaici, jama'a ba su san komai game da wannan ba,
tabbas saboda ba a yada shi a kafofin watsa labarai ba.

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Tabbas. A taƙaice: waɗanda suke da gaske
masu iko suna ci gaba da kasancewa a kan iko.

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Yaya kake ganin wannan yana aiki a Jamhuriyar Czech?

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Daidai abin da na kwatanta yanzu.

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Muna da kawancen jam'iyyu biyu a Jamhuriyar Czech waɗanda ma suka
yi magudi, domin lokacin da suka fara yakin neman zaɓensu watanni

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tara da suka wuce, sun ce za a sami jimillar jam'iyyu huɗu
na siyasa, amma za su gabatar da kansu a matsayin jam'iyya

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guda ɗaya, ta haka suna rage ƙimar kuri'un da ake buƙata.

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Yanzu Kotun Tsarin Mulki na magance wannan, kuma a Jamhuriyar
Czech akwai barazanar cewa za a bayyana mafi yawan kuri'un da

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masoyan ƙasa suka jefa a matsayin marasa inganci,
kuma waɗannan mukamai za su ƙare saboda duka

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kawancen masu ra'ayin hagu da na dama sun yi magudi.

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Kamar yadda na ce, yanzu kotuna ke fayyace
wannan. Kuma wannan ne ainihin halin da ake ciki.

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Abin takaici, 'yan ƙasa a yau suna fuskantar irin wannan ko
makamancin yaudara kamar a shekarar 1989, lokacin da suke fatan

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canji da ba zai zo ba, domin mutanen da a yau ke wakiltar
fuskar wannan sabuwar adawa, wato canji, a zahiri tsofaffin 'yan

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siyasa ne daga cikin irin tsarin iko guda da jam'iyyar mulki.

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Eh, mun san hakan. A Jamus, mutane da yawa sun rasa duk
amincewarsu da siyasa saboda ba a cika alkawuran zabe ba.

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A wasu lokuta, akasin abin da aka yi
alkawari kafin zaɓe ya faru bayan zaɓen.

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Mun sani. Wani misali na wannan shi ne Shugaban
Majalisar Ministocin Jamus na yanzu, Merz, wanda ya yi alkawarin

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kafin zaɓe cewa ba zai taɓa na'urar dakatar da bashi ba.

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Ba da jimawa ba bayan zaɓen, duk da haka, ya haɗa
wata muhimmin shirin bashi mai darajar biliyoyin.

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Kun haɓaka wani ra'ayi kan wannan batu.

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Za ku iya gabatar mana da shi a taƙaice, don Allah?

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Tabbas, na ruwaito game da na'urar hana tara bashi a Jamus a
Jamhuriyar Czech, kuma na yi hira da Petr Bystron, memba na

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majalisar dokoki, kan wannan batu a lokacin da ake gab da zaɓe.

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Wannan, tabbas, matsala ce ma a Jamhuriyar Czech.

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Abin takaici, kungiyar masoya ƙasa, kamar yadda waɗannan masoyan
ƙasa ke kiran kansu, waɗanda suka yi alkawari shekaru biyu da

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suka gabata na tilasta janyewar Jamhuriyar Czech daga Tarayyar
Turai da NATO da kuma tabbatar da ikon ƙasa, sun fara sannu

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a hankali kiran yin kuri'ar raba kawance daga Tarayyar Turai.

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Kuma da suka gane cewa hakan ba zai yiwu bisa doka ba, sai suka
janye gaba ɗaya daga aiwatar da ficewar Jamhuriyar Czech

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daga Tarayyar Turai, abin da ke nufin cewa a zahiri sun
yi watsi da shirye-shirye na ƙasaitarsu tun kafin zaɓen.

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Da Friedrich Merz, abu ya sha bamban kaɗan.
Ya ci amanar mutanen Jamus ba da jimawa ba

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bayan zaɓen, har ma kafin a kafa sabon majalisa.

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Kuma ina da ra'ayi game da wannan. Mun shirya wani
shiri mai suna "Jamhuriyar Czech Ta Farko," wanda ya

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ƙunshi gyare-gyaren da ake buƙata don sauya tsarin siyasa.

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Kuma ɗaya daga cikin waɗannan canje-canjen da ake
buƙata shi ne damar mayar da 'yan siyasa kan aikin su.

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Muna buƙatar mu zartar da doka da ta ƙayyade adadin sa hannu da
ake buƙata ga kowane ɗan siyasa, dangane da ko ɗan

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siyasa ne na ƙananan hukumomi, na jihohi ko na
ƙasa, ko kuma memba ne na majalisar dokoki ko minista.

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Kuma dole ne a sami doka da ta tanadi cewa idan wani ɗan
siyasa ya karya abin da yake ƙoƙarin aiwatarwa, idan ya karya

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shirin da aka zaɓe shi domin aiwatarwa, dole ne a iya kore shi.

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Zan faɗa shi cikin sauƙi. Idan ɗan siyasa ya
nemi takarar zaɓe, yana da manufofin zaɓe.

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Kuma masu zabe suna ba 'yan siyasa kuri'unsu,
wanda yake kamar sanya hannu kan kwangilar aiki.

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Wannan kwangilar aikin yi, wannan takardar
manufofin zabe, tana fayyace abin da dan siyasa zai yi.

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Kuma idan wannan ɗan siyasa ya yi wani abu
daban bayan zaɓen, kamar dai ya karya kwangilar

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aikinsa ne, kuma ya kamata a kore shi daga aikinsa.

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Wannan yana nufin cewa idan mutane suka gano cewa Friedrich Merz
ya yi alkawarin bin ƙa'idar takaita bashi, amma ba da jimawa ba

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bayan an zaɓe shi sai ya tara majalisar dokoki wadda a zahiri ba
ta cika ƙa'idar yawan 'yan majalisa ba, ya karya

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ƙa'idar takaita bashi, to bisa ga wannan doka, 'yan ƙasar
Jamus za su sanya hannu a wata takardar neman sauyi.

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Kuma da zarar sun tattara isassun sa hannu,
za su je kotu su gabatar da hujjoji a can.

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Manifesto na zabe da ainihin halayen ɗan siyasa, da kotu tare da
juri na 'yan ƙasa – zan nuna cewa gyaran shari'a ma yana da

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muhimmanci domin mu sami juri na 'yan ƙasa –
wannan juri na 'yan ƙasa ne ke kimanta abin da ɗan

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siyasar ya yi alkawari da abin da ya aikata a zahiri.

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Kuma idan kotu ta gano cewa dan siyasa ya yi
alkawari da wani abu amma yana aikata wani daban,

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sai ta yanke hukunci cewa ya rasa ikon wakilcinsa.

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Na gode ƙwarai. Wannan kyakkyawan hali ne. Kamar
yadda muka ji yanzu, alkawuran zaɓe da ba a cika ba suna

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daga cikin rayuwar yau da kullum ga mutane a Turai.

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Shin zai yiwu cewa ba a cika alkawuran zabe ba a
matsayin wata dabara ta gangan don takaita

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mutane da raunana su, ta yadda za a karya juriyarsu?

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Ban yi tunanin haka ba. Ina ganin cewa alkawuran da aka
karya suna jawo hankalin masu zabe su zabi waɗannan masu zamba.

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Abin takaici, 'yan ƙasa da masu zaɓe suna da saurin mantawa, shi
ya sa, misali, tsohon Firayim Minista Andrej Babiš, wanda ya yi

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mulki a lokacin annobar coronavirus, ya sa a duka mutane a
tituna, ya tilasta musu alluran rigakafin mRNA ta hanyar

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tashin hankali, kuma yanzu ana sake zaɓensa saboda yana
yi musu alkawura, shi ne ke da fifiko a zaɓen ƙasar mu.

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A ra'ayina, wannan wasan kwaikwayo ne inda abin takaici 'yan
ƙasa koyaushe suke yarda da mutumin da kafofin watsa labarai

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suka gabatar a matsayin wanda ke da damar cin nasara a zaɓen.

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Kuma kafofin watsa labarai ne ke
yanke shawarar wa zai buga wannan wasa.

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Ba tambaya ce ta cewa duk 'yan takara
suna da irin waɗannan yanayi a nan ba.

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A'a, kafofin watsa labarai ne ke zaɓar waɗanda za su taka rawa,
suna sanya 'yan wasa su fafata da juna, sannan kai za ka iya zaɓar

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ne kawai tsakanin wata zaɓi mara kyau da wata zaɓi mara kyau.

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Kuma 'yan ƙasa sun manta cewa ba lallai ba ne a zaɓi mummunan
ƙanana, amma ana buƙatar wani shiri da zai taimaki ƙasar.

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Eh. Wannan yana nufin cewa shirin
jam'iyyarku yana nufin sauyin hanya a sarari.

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Menene bambancin? Ta yaya mutane za su gane
cewa ba ku kasance adawa da ake sarrafawa ba?

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Kuma wane matakai kuka ɗauka don hana kutse cikin jam'iyyarku?

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Tabbas, wannan yana da wahala saboda matakan hana
kutse, domin jami'an leƙen asiri da 'yan sanda suna shigowa

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da fita a koda yaushe; ba za a iya kauce wa hakan ba.

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Don haka muna da masaniya kan wanda daga 'yan sanda ne kuma wanda
daga hukumar leƙen asiri ne, kuma muna ƙoƙarin

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kada mu bayyana musu kowace irin bayani mai
muhimmanci, amma hakan ba koyaushe zai yiwu ba.

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Dangane da shirin, tabbas mu gaba ɗaya daban muke, domin a nan
akwai wani tsarin mulki, wato tsarin mulkin masu son haɗin

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duniya, wannan piramid na iko da ke tafe daga FED a Amurka ta EU,
ta ƙungiyoyin ba na riba da jarin masu son haɗin duniya, kuma

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a gefe guda akwai 'yantar da Jamhuriyar Czech, wato ikon kanta.

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Ginin wannan shi ne janyewa daga EU,
janyewa daga NATO, janyewa daga WHO.

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Wannan yana nufin cewa duk wanda ke da ɗan hankali
zai fahimci cewa adawa da ake sarrafawa tana yin

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kama da tana gefen mutanen Czech, gefen ƙasar Czech.

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Amma a ƙarshe, koyaushe yana cewa dole ne a samo mafita ta Turai,
cewa dole ne mu kasance cikin Tarayyar Turai, cewa dole ne a yi

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gyara a Tarayyar Turai, cewa ba za mu iya barin Tarayyar Turai
ba domin ba za mu sake da tasiri kan abubuwan da ke faruwa ba.

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Cewa ba za mu iya barin EU ba saboda
kamfanoninmu za su bankarce kuma sauran irin wannan banza.

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Adawa da ake sarrafawa kullum tana jan hankalin masu
zabe da wani irin alkawari sannan a hankali ta juya baya.

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Wani misali na wannan shi ne lokacin da na shirya zanga-zanga
a Filin Wenceslas, sai wani abokin aiki ya maye gurbina

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wanda aka kaddara ya yi fice fiye da ni a harkokin siyasa.

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Ya karɓi ragamar zanga-zangar da ake yi a Filin Wenceslas, kuma
abu na farko da ya yi lokacin da ya gaishe da mutane shi ne ya yi

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ihu cewa babu wanda ke nan da ke adawa da Rasha ko da Putin,
sannan ya fara juya dukkanin yanayin kishin ƙasa ya koma kan

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Gabas, kan Rasha, domin shiga cikin abin da gwamnati ke yi.

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Ya ma kai rahoton masu zanga-zanga saboda suna da manne mai
rubutun haruffan "Z" a kansa, kuma yanzu an yanke wa waɗannan

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mutanen hukunci, don haka... kuma abin takaici,
mutane ba sa iya ganewa saboda suna da tsananin son

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rai kuma ba su fahimci waɗannan abubuwa sosai ba.

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Amma za ka iya gane adawa ta ƙarya koyaushe ta
yadda suke faɗin abu ɗaya sannan su aikata wani daban.

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A farko, suna faɗin wani abu daban da abin da suka yi daga baya.

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Kuma yanzu, misali, ina gudu tare da Dr Miroslav Sládek, wanda ya
kasance shugaban jam'iyyar Republicans kuma ya faɗi abin da nake

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faɗa shekaru 35 da suka wuce kuma har yanzu yana faɗa a yau.

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Yana faɗa hakan koyaushe, ya
rubuta shi a cikin duk littattafansa.

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Don haka idan wani mutum gaskiya ne a matsayin jagoran
adawa, to yana da shi a zuciyarsa kuma yana yin hakan ne saboda

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yana yin imani da ƙasarsa, saboda yana yin imani da makoma.

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Idan wani na cikin adawa da ake sarrafawa ne,
koyaushe zai ƙare da haɗa kai da babban jarin duniya.

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Na gode ƙwarai da ƙwarai saboda bayananku masu ban
sha'awa kuma in yi fatan alheri a zaɓen. Sai an jima.

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Na gode ƙwarai. Na gode da wannan dama. Ina gaishe ku a Jamus
kuma, tabbas, a duk ƙasashen da aka fassara wannan hira, kuma ina

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yi muku fatan alheri daga zurfin zuciyata, domin mu
'yantar da kanmu daga mulkin fashista na kamfanonin

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duniya na yau mu sami 'yanci a kasashenmu. Na gode ƙwarai.

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Eh, na gode ma. Sai an jima.

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Sai an jima.
