In an interview on June 1, 2025, conducted by German journalist Flavio von Witzleben, German doctor
and author Heiko Schöning spoke on various topics.
In the following you can see Schöning's assessment of current world events.
Now there is another very important, central player.
That is the new, re-elected US President, Donald Trump: "Make America Great Again".
Robert Kennedy wants to "Make America Healthy Again".
But now you are saying - and I recently heard you say this again in an interview - that Donald Trump is part of a mafia gang.
You say, it is a different mafia gang, not the mafia gang of the Clintons, Biden or Obama.
So why are you so skeptical when it comes to the person of Donald Trump, who after all is committed to achieving
peace in the Ukraine war, who has exposed and dried up USAID?
So why are you so skeptical about this issue, Mr. Schöning?
Well, it's simply the way things are.
And we now have printed evidence in a really good form.
And as far as Donald Trump's relationship with the mafia, with the classic mafia is concerned there is a very
good investigative journalist, Whitney Webb, an American.
And she has published the book "One Nation Under Blackmail" about Jeffrey Epstein.
You have now translated this in your publishing house "Courage Media".
Right, exactly. This has now been translated and published by Etica.Media.
In two volumes, around 1,000 pages.
There is really very clear evidence, with lots of sources and all the trimmings, of how these power structures came about.
Like now, for example, Donald Trump, who is actually just a straw man, who for us was something of a classic mafia, as we imagine it.
Because he only ever bought up mafia properties and sold them again. He even traded in mafia casinos.
His lawyer and mentor was Roy Cohn.
And he is a mafia figure par excellence. So that's all been proven.
It's really worthwhile, if you're a public official or if you really want to protect your money or your family,
it's really worth familiarizing yourself with it, by reading these two volumes to really see:
Ah, this is the structure of power, the criminal organization.
Donald Trump is right in the thick of it.
So he has been pushed into this position as a showman and is a straw man, so to speak.
Does the same apply to Robert Kennedy, the new Minister of Health?
No, not from my point of view. Because they are very different life paths.
I also got to know Robert Kennedy personally and had my own impression. Even now, over all the years of his work.
I think from his character, from his heart, he is really trying to help, to create something good.
So also really defending children, Children's Health Defense.
But that he got involved with organized crime, with Trump, that he is part of this US government, which is also doing extremely
dubious things in the Gaza Strip and many other places - I'll put it very kindly - and is therefore part of it.
It was clear to me from the outset.
I had also advised against doing that, because it can't go well.
On the one hand, it is possible to uncover a number of things, such as what you mentioned - USAID, for example.
It's called a limited hangout, so it's a partial uncovering, but it doesn't show the whole picture.
Incidentally, Whitney Webb's website is also called "Unlimited Hangout", which means that you provide
complete information. And that is a very important point.
And last but not least, Mr. Donald Trump and the war - he predicted "The war will be over in 24 hours
when I'm president" - now it looks very different.
The negotiations are ongoing. Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin had a third telephone conversation this week.
We'll come back to that, Mr. Schöning.
But first I would like to know about another aspect that interests me personally.
Namely the fact that countries such as Russia and China - which belong to the so-called global South, the BRICS states
- differ significantly from the West in terms of political, domestic and geopolitical developments.
However, in two respects, I would say that they are very, very similar to the West.
One is digital payment options and the other is the development of mRNA. That's another area you specialize in.
I would be interested to hear from you: How do you explain the fact that there is ostensibly this conflict with the West,
between Russia and the USA or, above all, now Russia and Europe, but nevertheless almost all countries in the
world are already pulling together on this mRNA strand, in the truest sense of the word?
How do you explain that, Mr. Schöning?
You really have to look at the big picture and familiarize yourself with it to really see why this is the case.
And if you don't quite understand it yet - and I always do this - then you say, I don't know yet, I don't know exactly yet.
So that you also remain in this state of wonder, in this state of suspension.
I can't tell you everything yet.
But there are things that are simply obvious.
Firstly, in mid-March 2020, all governments, all countries in the world - or almost all of them - suddenly said:
Covid is here. Now it's a pandemic and the solution is vaccines.
The only solution. Yes. And other things, like classic vaccines - such as the Lübeck vaccine,
"LubecaVax" - have been marginalized.
Yes, the inventor of that couldn't understand why that was actually the case.
From my point of view, it's clear that he wasn't allowed to sell it and make it a success
because there was a completely different agenda.
And that was coordinated. So we have seen, also internationally, that the USA and China,
for example, are pulling in the same direction.
They played together then. And it's not the countries, but the power structures behind them.
You can see from this biological weapons laboratory in Wuhan that they staged this together.
That was done jointly. By the US army and the Chinese army, for years.
To name names, it was Ralph Baric and Anthony Fauci who paid for it and worked on it.
Michael Callahan, for example, from the CIA, a friend of Robert Malone, who received 20 million from Fauci
just a few weeks after this Covid came out, so to speak, to do - in quotation marks - "a study".
So the CIA man Callahan and Robert Malone together. That is, in China, in Wuhan.
That means they were playing together the whole time. Years before in development and now too.
That means, you think they are enemies, at the very top level, strategic enemies. But that's simply not the case.
To understand this, to give you a keyword, you have to see: The ruling oligarchic families
of the world are international and also feel international.
And they also have joint asset management companies.
Those asset management companies are also the most powerful organizations in the world today.
They are BlackRock, Vanguard and State Street.
Vanguard in particular is quite interesting, because it's a cooperative and it's quite unclear who actually owns it.
They have a stake in it, so to speak, and coordinate the whole thing in conjunction with the central banks.
And also with the central bank of the banks in Switzerland, the BIS.
You simply have to see that.
In the first volume of my book, I outlined this history and these family trees so that people could
understand them: Where do they actually come from?
Where do they get the money? Where do they get the power?
Then you can also show this reasonably stringently.
But it's not easy to explain in a few minutes.
But there really is a clear structure.
It's still a bit contradictory for me that Donald Trump is currently trying to uncover how the Chinese artificially
released this virus in the laboratory back in spring 2020.
For some time now, the White House website has been making a big deal about this - about
"I, Donald Trump the Great, am now exposing this lie."
So what is going on in the background? And what are we possibly being led to believe?
Because you have just said that the USA and China have actually worked together.
Now Donald Trump arrives and lashes out against China in this way.
So is Donald Trump perhaps not as system-compliant as we think? Or is that simply part of the game?
It's part of the game. I am very grateful to you for asking this question and for presenting it in this way.
Because it really is very important.
If you remember - and you can research this - what was it like from January to March 2020?
Oops, we see in the news that the USA is already accusing China of it being a bioweapon. China opposes this, even officially.
The Foreign Ministry spokesman says here: "We reject that. That was not from us."
There was also the Trump administration with its Secretary of State Pompeo.
He had already said: "Wait a minute, there's already a bioweapon out there."
They had already played it back then and set it up that way.
But then it was obviously like par ordre du mufti, that means a command to the team from the very top.
As from mid-March 2020, everyone obeyed.
And what we are experiencing now is actually - from my point of view - the solution, so to speak,
to how this is to be sold to us and what the next step is.
After all, if you plan such a crime in advance, you have to know who is going to be the scapegoat in the end?
And it was clear that the USA or the West would blame China.
We can discuss why this is the case in a moment.
In any case, it was already clear beforehand that they wanted to blame China and then work against China.
Even though we worked together quite well for almost five years.
Also in the WHO - Tedros Ghebreyesus was also appointed its director by the USA and China together.
And what we are experiencing now is such a build-up that you say "oh".
The German secret service, the BND, had already told Chancellor Merkel in spring 2020 that 85 percent of this
virus originated from the bioweapons laboratory in Wuhan.
Even DIE WELT newspaper and others - the mainstream media - reported this.
Only the population wasn't told. And now it's being brought out again.
And this is the beginning of a phoney war: USA versus China.
And it's also very much about the island of Taiwan, which is National China, so to speak.
And I described why this is the case in my first volume.
But everything we are actually seeing, including the Russia-Ukraine war, the Russia-Europe war, the conflict with NATO,
it all boils down to one thing, Mr. von Witzleben.
And that is, China is being strengthened. China is now the only adult in the room.
We look at the USA, we look at Europe and all we really see is chaos and joke figures and contradictions.
Everything is actually heading towards China.
Since the 1970s at the latest we have been seeing that China is actually being built up as a large oligarchic
consensus and that Europe and the USA in particular are being dismantled. This is only accelerating now.
And will we adapt and adopt these structures that are currently being established there in China, here in Europe,
especially as far as the internal social processes are concerned - keywords "surveillance",
"social credit system", "digital central bank money"?
Yes, that's what they're trying to make palatable to us.
On the one hand with the carrot, or rather with the stick and Palantir, the US company. On the other hand, forcing it on us.
If you look at China, compared to what we have here in Europe or in Germany, it is a coercive and surveillance state.
And we don't really want to live like that.
But if we destroy each other like here in the West, then it really will come down to this Chinese model.
One of the most knowledgeable people I have met in recent years and often spoken to - and also met
in person, as I said - is Catherine Austin Fitts.
And we agree on that, she also thinks it comes down to China.
She was actually told decades ago by top US government circles - she was a minister or deputy minister in the US government
- that the USA had been virtually abandoned as a location.
China is the new model. You have to realize that first. China is the new model.
And Glenn Beck, the world-famous, or in the USA very well-known, presenter, has also been told this.
He also said this again in an interview with Whitney Webb: "That's right, China is the new model".
And ten or twenty years later, he realized that this is what it really boils down to.
They want to drive us into a corner from the right or the left, so that ultimately we only have the option
of living this Chinese economic and surveillance model.
Then let's talk about another very important player, namely Russia.
The relationship between Russia and China is at a historic high.
Putin has also emphasized this time and again.
His first official trip after being re-elected was to China.
There he said that relations are better than ever before, both politically, diplomatically and economically.
Which is probably why Donald Trump - we could talk about this now, but I think we agree on this - is also trying to adjust this
course towards Russia in order to bring Russia back into the US hemisphere, because Russia and China
together of course pose a huge threat to US supremacy.
I think we agree on that.
Nevertheless, it will be interesting to see how things develop with Russia.
You have also been announced as a speaker at a peace demonstration here tomorrow, which is primarily about how we
position ourselves here in Germany in this war in Ukraine.
You said: From 2030 there will be a hot war with Russia!
Mr. Schöning, can this war with Russia still be stopped?
I hope so. But we really have to be active now and take to the streets.
We also saw that during the corona period.
We do have an influence! After all, we also stopped compulsory vaccination!
We have also stopped having to get vaccinated every three to six months.
That's what Ursula von der Leyen wanted.
So, we have been able to stop this regime and we must also stop the next one, which is now being built up visibly in our country.
Because massive investments are now being made in armaments.
It all boils down to a war, NATO against Russia!
We have illustrated this in the Schöning reports and shown who is or is not the aggressor here. You can see this in detail.
But the very interesting aspect is what you mentioned at the beginning: Russia and China.
Because if you actually take a look at the big picture, what does it actually amount to now?
North Stream, the gas pipeline between Germany and Russia, has been cut.
Where is all the gas going? Mainly to China and all the way to India.
As you rightly said, China and Russia have announced that relations have never been
as good as they are today - in all of history!
They were still socialist brother nations, so to speak.
And today is the best collaboration. Why?
Well, the effect we are seeing is that Russia is being driven into the arms of China.
They can no longer sell the gas here.
They are subject to sanctions, they have been threatened with them since the Maidan coup in Ukraine in 2014 and much more.
Also, of course, the illegal war - the invasion of Ukraine - that is of course just as illegal under
international law as many NATO wars before it. That is not good.
But in any case, we can see that Russia now has to give all its raw material resources mainly to China.
So what we see is - as has been decided since the 1970s, so to speak, after the Korean and Vietnam wars, after there
was a stalemate, so to speak - China was not brought back.
Who lost China? Nixon and Kissinger made a kind of deal in the 1970s.
And the workbench of the West is in China. That's it!
And now all the raw material resources that China needs are no longer going to Europe, but from Russia to China.
Because, and this is really something, how are we supposed to rebel against the Chinese model if we can no longer
produce anything, if we no longer have access to raw materials?
The link to Flavio von Witzleben's full interview with Heiko Schöning can be found in the blue info box below the broadcast.