WEBVTT 00:00.280 --> 00:08.606 Daga 3 zuwa 5 ga Oktoba 2025, an gudanar da Kongres ɗin Sabbin Ka'idojin Dimokuraɗiyya a nan Apolda kusa da Weimar. 00:08.606 --> 00:15.300 An fitar da gayyata ta haɗin gwiwar Germany Stands Up, Wabeo, ZAAVV, Klagepaten da Freedom Begins with No. 00:15.300 --> 00:22.811 Da kusan mahalarta 90 daga bangarori daban-daban na siyasa, shirye-shirye da motsi, an tattauna matsalolin zamantakewa, 00:22.811 --> 00:27.389 siyasa da tsarin yanzu, kuma a ƙarshe an amince da mafita biyu. 00:27.389 --> 00:34.636 Wannan tsarin jefa ƙuri'a ne da ba bisa 'eh' ba, sai dai bisa 'a'a'. Kla.TV ta ɗauki tasirin maka. 00:34.636 --> 00:36.430 Tambayata ta farko ita ce, daga ina kake? 00:36.430 --> 00:37.520 Daga Augsburg. 00:37.520 --> 00:39.500 Na fito daga gundumar Hochtaunus. 00:39.500 --> 00:41.010 Daga kusa da Berlin. 00:41.010 --> 00:44.330 Na fito ne daga Brandenburg, a arewacin Berlin. 00:44.330 --> 00:46.276 Na fito ne daga Frankfurt am Main. 00:46.276 --> 00:48.763 Na fito ne daga Bochum a yankin Ruhr. 00:48.763 --> 00:50.203 Na fito ne daga Frankfurt am Main. 00:50.203 --> 00:53.043 Na fito ne daga Bavaria, yankin Upper Franconia. 00:53.043 --> 00:56.036 Me ya motsa ka ka halarci wannan taro? 00:56.036 --> 01:00.371 Eh, ina a matakin talakawa kuma kawai ina so in yi magana da mutane da yawa game da 01:00.371 --> 01:02.963 dimokuradiyya da yadda za mu iya ci gaba tare. 01:02.963 --> 01:12.249 To, mun kasance cikin adawa tsawon shekaru da dama yanzu, kuma yanzu lokaci ya yi na kafa al'umma mafi alheri, shi ya sa muka 01:12.249 --> 01:17.230 kasance anan a wannan karshen mako don ganin abin da zai yiwu. 01:17.230 --> 01:28.137 Na ji matuƙar sha'awa game da batun dimokuradiyya ta matasa-masa da kuma yadda ake samar da ra'ayoyi a wannan taro, domin a karon 01:28.137 --> 01:38.198 farko an yi cikakken kaucewa daga tsarin da aka saba na dandalin magana a gaba, inda waɗanda ke zaune a kan dandalin ke 01:38.198 --> 01:43.670 riga-riga ƙayyade irin ra'ayoyin da jama'a ya kamata su yi. 01:43.670 --> 01:55.953 Wannan shi ne karon farko da muke amfani da tsarin gine-gine don tattara ra'ayoyin kowane ɗan majalisa sannan mu cimma matsaya. 01:55.953 --> 02:00.762 Daidaitaccen ra'ayi na nufin tsarin da wata ƙungiya ke bi don cimma ra'ayi guda ɗaya da 02:00.762 --> 02:03.609 aka yarda da shi – wato daidaitaccen ra'ayi. 02:03.609 --> 02:11.025 A sabanin zaɓe na gargajiya da ke bisa ƙa'idar rinjaye, neman daidaiton tsarin bai nemi mafita da ta samu kuri'un "eh" mafi 02:11.025 --> 02:15.323 yawa ba, sai dai wadda ke da ƙarancin adawa a cikin ƙungiyar. 02:15.323 --> 02:23.043 Wannan yana ingiza yanke shawara mai haɗin kai da dorewa, inda ake sauraron muryoyi masu shiru ko masu suka. 02:23.043 --> 02:28.591 Muna ganin cewa dimokuradiyarmu ba ta kasance dimokuradiyarmu ba. 02:28.591 --> 02:33.553 Kuma muna son nemo wata sabuwar hanya don sake kafa dimokuradiyya. 02:33.553 --> 02:38.163 Lokutan tarihi wani lokaci ba sa bayyana kamar lokutan tarihi kwata-kwata. 02:38.163 --> 02:41.490 To, ba mu cikin Hollywood ba, babu wanda ya zo jiya da hayaniya. 02:41.490 --> 02:48.202 Ba dukkan jama'a bane suka tsaya a waje a dakin taro ba, suka hanzarta shigowa nan suna cewa, "Wani abu ya faru." 02:48.202 --> 02:50.661 Jarumin komai – ban ma san wanene jarumi ba – kai ne! 02:50.661 --> 02:56.196 Ba ya cikin haske, kuma kowa ya kalle shi da girmamawa ya ce, yanzu wani abu ya canza. 02:56.196 --> 02:58.830 Amma wani abu na tarihi ya faru jiya. 02:58.830 --> 03:04.563 Daya tilo damar da muke da ita don yin hakan ita ce idan ba mu yi rudani ba kuma idan ba mu halaka kanmu ba. 03:04.563 --> 03:18.054 Kuma abin da muka yi a yau, ko ma yanzu, a cikin waɗannan kwanaki biyu, shi ne mun fara ƙoƙarin goge wannan . 03:18.054 --> 03:22.456 Kuma mu ce cewa kuzarin canji da muke samarwa an mayar da shi ne kawai kan cibiyoyin iko. 03:22.456 --> 03:28.171 Wato, ta hanyar cewa abin da muke yi, wato shawarar da muka yanke na rage ƙa'idodin yin 03:28.171 --> 03:31.456 kuri'un yankin, shi ne mika iko ga mutane. 03:31.456 --> 03:34.910 Muna kwace ikon su mu kawo su gare mu. 03:34.910 --> 03:40.476 Kuma kawai damar da muke da ita don yin hakan ita ce kada mu bari abin ya karkatar da mu kuma kada mu halaka kanmu. 03:40.476 --> 03:46.176 Komai abin da muka faɗa ba komai bane sai magana banza idan ba mu da ikon aiwatar da ra'ayoyinmu. 03:46.176 --> 03:51.110 Wannan shi ne abin da muka yanke shawara a nan jiya. 03:51.110 --> 03:54.888 Yanzu na haɗu da Ralf Ludwig, ɗaya daga cikin masu fara wannan taro. 03:54.888 --> 03:58.583 Haka kuma, tambayata: menene manufar wannan taron? 03:58.583 --> 04:07.238 Manufar wannan taro ita ce haɗa ƙungiyoyi daban-daban da dama, waɗanda dukansu ke da manyan batutuwan siyasa masu 04:07.238 --> 04:15.535 muhimmanci, domin su sami su kuma tsara jigo guda ɗaya, wato tunanin gama gari na dukkan ƙungiyoyin siyasa. 04:15.535 --> 04:19.095 Mun riga mun yi hakan, wato cewa dole ne mu ɗaga tambayar iko. 04:19.095 --> 04:27.430 Ko da wane irin matsala muke da ita, ba za mu iya aiwatar da ita ba sai mutanen ƙasar, wato 'yan ƙasa, sun riƙe iko na siyasa. 04:27.430 --> 04:32.136 Wannan yana nufin, a zahiri, samun ikon yanke shawara kan batutuwan siyasa da kanka. 04:32.136 --> 04:36.990 Kuma ta yaya ka yi nasarar yin sulhu da kungiyoyi daban-daban, ra'ayoyi da halaye? 04:36.990 --> 04:42.396 To, kamar yadda kuke gani, yau ce ranar ƙarshe. Na gaji sosai. 04:42.396 --> 04:48.406 Muna da mutane masu karfi da yawa a nan, mutane masu ƙarfi waɗanda a halitta ke da muhimman batutuwa da za su 04:48.406 --> 04:54.863 magance. Tattaunawar ta kasance mai wahala kuma ba koyaushe mai sauƙi ba, amma haka ya kamata ta kasance. 04:54.863 --> 05:01.802 Amma a ƙarshe mun samu sakamako mai kyau saboda na yi imani kowa ya fahimci cewa wannan batu ne mai muhimmanci, wato domin aiwatar 05:01.802 --> 05:07.567 da ajanda ɗaya dole ne a sami ikon yanke shawara na siyasa, cewa wannan shi ne mafi muhimmanci ga kowa, cewa 05:07.567 --> 05:10.910 wannan, kamar yadda na ce, shi ne asalin batu ga kowa. 05:10.910 --> 05:18.308 Kuma hakan ya yi aiki da kyau sosai. Kuma ina ganin wannan ne abin da ya fi ban sha'awa a cikinsa: kowa na iya ci gaba da yin 05:18.308 --> 05:26.283 nasa abin, ya kasance kansa, ya yi abubuwa yadda yake so, sannan kawai ya ƙara wani batu a cikin tattaunawar, wato tambayar iko. 05:26.283 --> 05:31.700 Na haɗu da Stephanie Tsomakaeva, ɗaya daga cikin masu tallatawa da masu shirya wannan taro. 05:31.700 --> 05:34.760 Tambayata ta farko ita ce, menene manufar wannan taro? 05:34.760 --> 05:37.396 Eh, sannu, na gode da kasancewarku anan. 05:37.396 --> 05:44.916 Manufarmu ga taron ba ta karɓar sabbin ƙa'idodin dimokuraɗiyya ba, sai dai samun daidaitaccen ra'ayi a kansu. 05:44.916 --> 05:55.675 Mun taru anan tare da mutane daga shirye-shirye daban-daban da kungiyoyi, mutane ne kawai masu sha'awar wannan batu, don gano 05:55.675 --> 06:04.713 yadda za mu mayar da ikon yanke shawara daga 'yan majalisa zuwa ga talakawa, yadda za mu yanke shawara da 06:04.713 --> 06:13.520 kanmu, da yadda za mu canza waɗannan ƙa'idoji ta hanyoyi na al'ada da suka dace da doka. 06:13.520 --> 06:21.160 Eh, na gode. Kuma ta yaya aka cimma daidaito a nan tare da motsin daban-daban da tunani da ra'ayoyi? 06:21.160 --> 06:25.496 Eh, lallai gaskiya ne babban ƙalubale, ko ma dai a ce tsari ne na koyo, zan ma ce haka. 06:25.496 --> 06:30.390 Jituwa a asali tana da bambanci sosai da jefa ƙuri'ar "eh" ko "a'a". 06:30.390 --> 06:33.655 Tabbas yana da fa'ida cewa ba ku rabu. 06:33.655 --> 06:38.639 Ko da yake mun yi muhawarori masu matuƙar jayayya anan, kuma da cike da motsin rai, har 06:38.639 --> 06:41.570 yanzu mu ƙungiya ce da ke jin kamar iyali. 06:41.570 --> 06:49.896 Amma tabbas muna da matsalar neman kalmomi masu dacewa da fahimtar tambayoyi daidai, wato, fahimtar juna sosai da 06:49.896 --> 06:58.803 kasancewa a shirye mu saurara da kuma ba da lokaci da sarari don nemo kalmomi masu dacewa, wanda babban ƙalubale ne. 06:58.803 --> 07:04.416 Kuma akwai kuma gaskiyar cewa ba ka sake faɗin abin da kake goyon baya ba, sai dai inda ba ka da wata ƙin yarda. 07:04.416 --> 07:09.455 Kuma kana yin hakan da hannuwanka. Kuma wannan wata ƙalubale ce, domin mutane ba su saba yin hakan ba. 07:09.455 --> 07:12.703 Kuma a gaskiya wannan ne atisayen daren jiya. 07:12.703 --> 07:18.523 Ta yaya zan yi shi yanzu? Shin zan yi shi ta wannan hanya, ko zan yi shi ta wannan hanya da wancan? 07:18.523 --> 07:26.155 Eh, Ina ganin wannan wata hanya ce mai ban mamaki ta koyo wadda ta nuna cewa za a iya samun mafita tare da mutane masu ra'ayi 07:26.155 --> 07:33.971 daban-daban ba tare da muhawara ba, ba tare da halaka juna ba, ba tare da fada a ƙarshe ba, kamar yadda ake yawan gani a siyasa. 07:33.971 --> 07:40.504 Idan muka fitar da wannan a duniya mu fara gina fahimtar juna a babban matakin siyasa, tabbas zai haifar da 07:40.504 --> 07:46.540 duniya mai zaman lafiya sosai ga mu duka. Kuma wannan shi ne farkon abin da ya faru a nan. 07:46.540 --> 07:51.336 Eh, na gode ƙwarai. Kuma menene ƙarshe-hujjar ka ta sirri daga wannan taro? 07:51.336 --> 07:54.596 Eh, na ga abin matuƙar ban sha'awa. Ni ma na gaji sosai. 07:54.596 --> 07:59.323 Don haka, a farko ya kasance min gajiya sosai, amma ƙoƙarin ya cancanci. 07:59.323 --> 08:05.797 Kuma ina ganin mun samu wani lokaci na tarihi a yau, ko jiya, lokacin da muka yanke wannan shawarar, domin mun 08:05.797 --> 08:12.001 samu damar haɗa mutane da dama daban-daban, kungiyoyi da ƙungiyoyi. Kuma ƙarshe na yana da matuƙar kyau. 08:12.001 --> 08:18.105 Ina ganin yanzu muna ci gaba da tafiya gaba, kuma za mu samu ƙarfi mai ci gaba wanda zai jagoranci kuzarin 08:18.105 --> 08:23.770 canji da ke cikin al'umma, har ya kai ga al'umma ta ɗauki ikon yanke shawarar siyasa a hannunta. 08:23.770 --> 08:29.236 Kuma ta wace hanya ne suka kasance tarihi? Me ya sa waɗancan kwanakin suka kasance na musamman? 08:29.236 --> 08:36.809 A tarihi, irin wannan abu bai taɓa faruwa ba, inda kowa ke ƙoƙarin samun maki na siyasa da batutuwansu na kansu 08:36.809 --> 08:41.183 kuma suna ganin batutuwansu na kansu sun isa su kawo canji. 08:41.183 --> 08:46.249 Amma mun lura da hakan. Za mu iya fita tituna da dubban mutane, da daruruwan dubban mutane don yin zanga-zanga kan yaki, 08:46.249 --> 08:51.425 amma 'yan siyasa suna ci gaba kamar wadannan mutanen ba su ma wanzu ba. Haka ma ya kasance a lokacin annobar coronavirus. 08:51.425 --> 08:54.933 Mun fito kan tituna tare da daruruwan dubban mutane, kuma an aiwatar da matakan. Sai 08:54.933 --> 08:57.090 dai abubuwa suka ci gaba kamar yadda aka saba. 08:57.090 --> 09:02.610 Kuma abin tarihi yanzu shi ne cewa waɗannan ƙungiyoyi sun gane kuma sun fahimci wannan, a fadin bambance-bambancen 09:02.610 --> 09:05.321 akida, eh, gaba ɗaya a fadin bambance-bambancen siyasa da akida. 09:05.321 --> 09:08.834 Ba shi da muhimmanci inda mutane suke tsaye, sun gane. 09:08.834 --> 09:12.506 Yanzu dole ne mu haɗu a matsayin al'umma mu ɗauki iko a hannunmu. 09:12.506 --> 09:16.709 Kuma idan muka samu iko a hannunmu, za mu iya sake muhawara kan kowanne batu daban, domin a lokacin ba za mu zauna 09:16.709 --> 09:20.495 kawai a teburin masu halarta kullum ba, sai mu kasance a tsakiyar al'amura kuma mu iya yanke shawara. 09:20.495 --> 09:22.930 Kuma hakan tarihi ne kawai, mutane sun fahimta. 09:22.930 --> 09:27.056 Ba ma son iko ya kasance a sama. Muna son iko ya kasance a hannunmu. 09:27.056 --> 09:29.010 Ina kuma son sake ambaton WABEO. 09:29.010 --> 09:35.288 WABEO zai kasance ɗaya daga cikin ƙungiyoyi mafi muhimmanci wajen gudanar da kuri'un raba kawuna, 09:35.288 --> 09:38.060 saboda WABEO na sa ido kan zaɓe a kowane fanni. 09:38.060 --> 09:46.211 Kuma cikakken yana nufin lura da yadda ake kirga kuri'u a jefa kuri'a ta gama gari, domin ɗaya daga cikin haɗarin da 09:46.211 --> 09:54.450 muke fuskanta shi ne cewa, idan ba mu kula da yadda ake kirga kuri'u ba, za mu iya sha kashi da ƙaramin bambanci. 09:54.450 --> 09:56.544 Me kuka so game da waɗannan kwanaki? 09:56.544 --> 10:00.784 Eh, daidaitaccen ra'ayi na tsarin, a matsayin ka'ida, kuma wani lokaci idan babbar ƙungiya ta 10:00.784 --> 10:03.816 yarda kan wani abu, kan wani takamaiman tsarin aiki. 10:03.816 --> 10:08.103 Idan wannan ya samu karfi ya fara tafiya, to hakika za a ga cewa ƙoƙarin ya cancanci. 10:08.103 --> 10:16.384 Ra'ayin cewa an ba mu duka damar mu da kanmu mu halarta kuma babu masu jawabi da suka tsara komai. 10:16.384 --> 10:24.928 Ya kasance abin alheri koyon yadda ake samun daidaitaccen ra'ayi, yadda ake yin sa, da yadda mutane da yawa suka shiga cikin 10:24.928 --> 10:33.290 ra'ayoyi da shawarwari, a ma'anar yin tunani tare, don samar da abubuwa guda ɗaya, biyu ko uku da kowa zai amince da su. 10:33.290 --> 10:39.523 Me za mu iya yi da gaske? Menene abin da ya fi dacewa mu yi don dawo da ƙasarmu kan hanya? 10:39.523 --> 10:47.083 Akwai masu tunani masu wayewa da yawa a nan waɗanda a gaskiya suke sha'awar yin aiki tare, haɓaka mafita da aiwatar da su. 10:47.083 --> 10:54.250 Ko da yake ni memba ne daga matakin ƙasa, ra'ayin gina daidaito bai kasance a bayyane a gare ni a baya ba. 10:54.250 --> 10:59.900 Don haka fahimtata game da yadda yarjejeniya ke aiki da kyau ta ƙara zurfafa. 10:59.900 --> 11:07.770 Kuma ina da ƙwarin gwiwa sosai don ci gaba da aiki, kuma na sake samun bege cewa za mu samu ci gaba. 11:07.770 --> 11:11.044 Me za ka ɗauka da kanka daga waɗannan kwanaki? 11:11.044 --> 11:14.794 Akwai mutane da yawa masu jajircewa da ke son yin aiki cikin nagarta don dimokuradiyya. 11:14.794 --> 11:20.121 Zai yiwu a cimma yarjejeniya kan wasu batutuwa inda ake da daidaitaccen ra'ayi, kuma inda al'adar 11:20.121 --> 11:25.856 tattaunawa za ta iya kasancewa matuƙar kyau tsakanin duk waɗannan mutanen masu bambance-bambance. 11:25.856 --> 11:30.250 Na riga na san abin da zan yi, kuma zan ci gaba da yin hakan. 11:30.250 --> 11:37.550 Kuma a ganina, koyaushe yana da kyau a sadu da mutane irin su nan, waɗanda duk suna matuƙar aiki. 11:37.550 --> 11:42.523 Kulla alaka koyaushe yana da muhimmanci, sake taruwa, musayar ra'ayoyi. 11:42.523 --> 11:46.923 Da yawa sabbin lambobin sadarwa, mutane nagari da na haɗu da su anan. 11:46.923 --> 11:56.005 Kamar yadda na fada yanzu, ba abu ne mai sauƙi ba a yi aiki don samar da sabuwar al'umma. Mun riga mun sami 11:56.005 --> 12:00.783 hanyoyin dimokuradiyya, amma cikasai sun yi yawa sosai. 12:00.783 --> 12:04.443 Kuma muna buƙatar mu yi aiki don rage waɗannan. 12:04.443 --> 12:12.879 Na fahimci cewa dole ne mu yi hattara kada mu bari batutuwan gefe su ja hankalinmu, kada mu raunana juna, sai 12:12.879 --> 12:20.156 dai mu mai da hankali kan burin sake kafa dimokuradiyya. 12:20.156 --> 12:24.223 Don haka, mun kai ƙarshe. Menene sakamakon waɗannan kwanaki uku? 12:24.223 --> 12:30.487 Eh, sakamakon waɗannan kwanaki uku shi ne mun kafa ƙungiyoyin aiki kuma yanzu muna shirin amfani da waɗannan ƙungiyoyin aiki don 12:30.487 --> 12:33.876 aiwatar da gyare-gyaren kundin tsarin mulki a jihohin tarayya. 12:33.876 --> 12:36.356 Ina ganin mun kafa jimillar ƙungiyoyi bakwai na aiki. 12:36.356 --> 12:43.045 Yanzu lokaci ya yi da za a fara: ƙirƙirar tsarin fasaha, ƙirƙirar tsarin ma'aikata, tallace-tallace, harkokin jama'a, nazarin 12:43.045 --> 12:46.495 haɗari – duk waɗannan batutuwan da yanzu ake buƙatar magancewa. 12:46.495 --> 12:52.628 Tabbas, samar da kuɗi da tabbacin kuɗi ma suna da muhimmanci, haka nan kuma aiwatar da duk batutuwa bisa 12:52.628 --> 12:55.720 ga doka, domin akwai wasu buƙatu da dole ne a cika. 12:55.720 --> 12:59.180 To yanzu muna matsawa zuwa aiwatarwa ta aiki, kamar yadda ake cewa. 12:59.180 --> 13:01.303 Kuma yaushe za a ci gaba? 13:01.303 --> 13:04.203 To, ƙungiyoyin aiki za su fara taro nan da nan. 13:04.203 --> 13:09.841 Kuma yanzu mun amince mu ci gaba da gudanar da babban zaman taro a kowane watanni biyu, wato a zahiri ci gaba da taron 13:09.841 --> 13:13.650 kan layi a matsayin babban zaman taro a kowane watanni biyu. 13:13.650 --> 13:17.160 Ko za a ci gaba da yin ganawa duk bayan watanni biyu, ko kuma tazara za su gajarta ko su tsawo, har yanzu ba a sani ba. 13:17.160 --> 13:23.450 Kuma ina tunanin cewa a shekara mai zuwa, cikin kusan watanni shida, za mu sake gudanar da taron analog na gaba. 13:23.450 --> 13:28.023 Eh, na gode da shirya wannan, har ma a madadin mu duka da muka shiga. 13:28.023 --> 13:31.770 Eh, na gode da kasancewarku a wurin da kuma rahoto a kai. Na gode! 13:40.553 --> 13:44.966 Kla.TV. Kyauta, 'yanci, ba tare da takura ba.