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Ho tloha ka la 3 ho isa ho la 5 Mphalane 2025, Kopano ea Melao
e Mecha ea Demokerasi e bile teng mona Apolda haufi le Weimar.

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Litumeliso li fanoe ke mekhatlo e kopaneng ea Germany
Stands Up, Wabeo, ZAAVV, Klagepaten le Freedom Begins with No.

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Ka bankakarolo ba ka bang 90 ba tsoang maemong a fapaneng a
lipolotiki, mehatong le mekhatlong, ho ile ha buisanwa ka

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mathata a hajwale a setjhaba, a dipolotiki le a sebopeho,
mme qetellong ho ile ha dumellanwa ka ditharollo tse pedi.

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Ena ke mokhoa oa ho khetha o itšetlehileng eseng
ho ee, empa ho che. Kla.TV e u rekotetse maikutlo.

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Potso ea ka ea pele ke hore, u tsoa kae?

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Ho tswa Augsburg.

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Ke tswa seterekeng sa Hochtaunus.

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Ho tsoa haufi le Berlin.

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Ke tswa Brandenburg, e ka leboya ho Berlin.

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Ke tswa Frankfurt am Main.

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Ke tswa Bochum sebakeng sa Ruhr.

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Ke tswa Frankfurt am Main.

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Ke tswa Bavaria, sebakeng sa Upper Franconia.

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Ke eng se o susumelitseng ho tla kopanong ena?

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E, ke boemong ba metheo mme ke ne ke batla
feela ho bua le batho ba bangata ka demokerasi

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le hore na re ka hatela pele hammoho joang.

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Hantle, esale re le khahlanong ka lilemo tse ngata joale, 'me
joale ke nako ea ho theha sechaba se betere, ke ka lebaka leo

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re neng re le mona mafelo-bekeng ana ho bona se ka khonehang.

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Ke amehetse haholo ke sehlooho sa demokerasi ea metheo le ka
mokhoa oo maikutlo a thehoang ka oona kopanong ena, hobane ka

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lekhetlo la pele ho na le phapang e feletseng le mokhoa o
tloaelehileng oa sethala se ka pele moo ba

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lutseng sethaleng ba etsang qeto esale pele ka
maikutlo ao matšoele a lokelang ho ba le ona.

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Ke lekgetlo la pele re sebedisa mekgwa ena ho bokella maikutlo
a motho ka mong ho tswa kopanong, ebe re fihlela tumellano.

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Tumellano e bolela tshebetso eo ka yona sehlopha se
fihlelang maikutlo a tshwanang, a dumellanweng – tumellano.

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Ho fapana le kgetho ya setso e thehilweng hodima molaotheo wa
bongata, ho batla tumellano ka tsamaiso ha ho batle

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tharollo e nang le dikgetho tse ngata tsa 'e', empa ho batla e
nang le kganyetso e nyane ka ho fetisisa ka hara sehlopha.

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Sena se kgothalletsa diqeto tse kenyeletsang
bohle le tse tsitsitseng, moo mantswe a

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thotseng kapa a nyatsang le ona a utlwahalang.

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Re bona hore demokerasi ea rona ha e sa le demokerasi ea rona.

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Mme re batla ho fumana tsela e ntjha
ya ho tsosolosa puso ya batho ka batho.

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Linako tsa nalane ka linako tse ling li kanna
tsa se bonahale ho hang e le linako tsa nalane.

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Hantle, ha re Hollywood, ha ho
motho ea tlileng maobane ka mokete.

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E ne e se baahi bohle ba ileng ba ema ka tlung
ka tšohanyetso, ba re, "Ho na le se etsahetseng."

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Mohale oa tsohle – ha ke tsebe le
hore na mohale ke mang – ke wena!

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O ne a sa batlelehe, mme bohle ba mo sheba
ka hlompho ba re, jwale ho na le phetoho.

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Empa ntho e bohlokoa nalaneng e etsahetse maobane.

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Monyetla feela oo re nang le oona oa ho etsa seo
ke haeba re sa sitisoe ebile haeba re sa itimetsa.

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Mme seo re se entseng kajeno, kapa
hantle-ntle hona jwale, matsatsing ana a mabedi,

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ke hore re qalile teko ya ho hlakola sena .

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Le ho bolela hore matla a phetoho ao re a hlahisang
a lebisitsoe feela khahlanong le litsi tsa matla.

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Ke hore, ka ho re seo re se etsang, e leng qeto
eo re e entseng ea ho theola litlhoko tsa

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lireferendamo, ke ho beha matla matsohong a sechaba.

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Re ba amoha matla a bona mme re ba tlisa ho rona.

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Mme monyetla o le mong feela oo re nang le ona wa
ho etsa jwalo ke ho se kgeloswe le ho se intshe.

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Tsohle tseo re li buang ke lipuo feela tse se nang thuso
haeba re se na matla a ho phethahatsa mehopolo ea rona.

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Ke seo re se entseng qeto mona maobane.

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Hona joale ke na le Ralf Ludwig,
e mong oa ba qalileng kopano ena.

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Hape, potso ea ka: sepheo sa kopano ena ke sefe?

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Sepheo sa kopano ena ke ho kopanya dihlopha tse ngata tse
fapaneng, tseo kaofela di nang le ditaba tse kgolo le tsa

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bohlokwa tsa dipolotiki, e le hore di ka fumana le
ho theha mookotaba o tshwanang, e leng kutlwisiso e

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tshwanang ya dihlopha tsohle tsa dipolotiki, mmoho.

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Re se re entse seo, e leng hore re
tlameha ho phahamisa potso ea matla.

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Hore ho sa tsotellehe hore na bothata ke bofe,
re ka bo sebetsa feela haeba batho ba naha,

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baahi ba naha, le bona ba na le matla a lipolotiki.

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Sena se bolela hore, ha e le hantle, o khona
ho iketsetsa qeto ka litaba tsa lipolotiki.

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Mme o atlehile jwang ho phedisana le
mekgatlo e fapaneng, maikutlo le botho?

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Hantle, joalokaha u bona, kajeno ke
letsatsi la ho qetela. Ke khathetse haholo.

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Re na le batho ba bangata ba nang le botho bo matla mona, batho
ba matla ba ka tlhaho ba nang le litaba tsa bohlokoa tseo

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ba lokelang ho sebetsana le tsona. E ne e le puisano e
thata 'me e ne e se bonolo kamehla, empa ho lokela ho ba joalo.

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Empa qetellong, re fihletse sephetho se setle hobane ke dumela
hore bohle ba utlwile hore ena ke taba ya bohlokwa, e leng hore e

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le hore motho a phethahatse merero ya hae, o tlameha ho ba le
matla a ho etsa diqeto tsa dipolotiki, hore ena ke

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taba ya bohlokwa ka ho fetisisa ho bohle, hore ena
ke, jwalo ka ha ke boletse, taba ya motheo ho bohle.

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Mme seo se ile sa sebetsa ka tsela e makatsang. Mme ke nahana
hore ke sona se thabisang ka hona: motho e mong le e mong a ka

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tswelapele ho etsa tsa hae, a be e le yena, a
etse dintho ka mokgwa wa hae, mme a mpa a

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eketsa taba e nngwe moqoqong, e leng potso ya matla.

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Ke na le Stephanie Tsomakaeva, e mong oa
bahlahisi le bahlophisi ba kopano ena.

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Potso ea ka ea pele ke hore, sepheo sa kopano ena ke sefe?

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E, dumela, ke a leboha ka ho ba mona.

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Sepheo sa rona bakeng sa kopano ena ha se ho amohela melao
e mecha ea demokrasi, empa ke ho fihlela tumellano ka eona.

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Re kopane mona le batho ba tsoang mehatong e fapaneng,
lihlopheng, le batho feela ba thahasellang taba ena, ho fumana

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hore na re ka fetisetsa matla a ho etsa liqeto joang ho tloha ho
litho tsa paramente ho ea ho sechaba, hore na re ka

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iketsetsa liqeto joang, le hore na re ka fetola melao ena
joang ka mekhoa e tloaelehileng, e lumellanang le molao.

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E, kea leboha. Mme ho ne ho le jwang ho
fihlela tumellano mona le mekgatlo e fapaneng,

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mehopolo e fapaneng le maikutlo a fapaneng?

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E, ruri ke phephetso, kapa hona ho bolela
ke tshebetso ya ho ithuta, nka ba ke re.

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Tumellano e fapane ka motheo le ho voutela "ee" kapa "che".

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Ka sebele e na le molemo oa hore ha le arohana.

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Leha re bile le dipuisano tse tsositseng kgang
haholo mona, mme ka maikutlo a mangata, re

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ntse re le sehlopha se ikutlwang jwaloka lelapa.

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Empa ehlile re na le bothata ba ho fumana mantsoe a nepahetseng
le ho utloisisa lipotso hantle, ke hore, ho utloisisana kannete

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le ho ikemisetsa ho mamela le ho fana ka nako le sebaka sa
ho fumana mantsoe a nepahetseng, e leng phephetso ea sebele.

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Mme hape, ntlha ke hore ha o sa bolela seo o se
tshehetsang, empa o bolela feela seo o sa se haneng.

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Mme o etsa seo ka matsoho a hao. Mme ke phephetso e
nngwe hape, hobane batho ha ba tlwaetse ho etsa jwalo.

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Mme ruri oo e ne e le boikwetliso maobane bosiu.

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Ke lokela ho e etsa joang hona joale? Na ke e etse
ka tsela ena, kapa ke e etse ka tsela ena le e 'ngoe?

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E, Ke nahana hore ena ke tsela e babatsehang ya ho ithuta e
bontshitseng hore o ka fihlela tharollo le batho ba fapaneng

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haholo ntle le ho ngangisana, ntle le ho senyetsana, ntle le ho
lwana qetellong, jwalo ka ha hangata ho etsahala dipolotiking.

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Haeba re ka nka sena re se isa lefatsheng mme ra qala ho theha
tumellano boemong bo boholo ba dipolotiki, ruri

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ho tla lebisa lefatsheng le nang le kgotso e
kgolo bakeng sa rona bohle. Mme ke eona qaleho mona.

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E, kea leboha haholo. Mme qeto ea hau
ka sebele ho tsoa kopanong ena ke efe?

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E, ke fumane e le ntho e thabisang
haholo. Le 'na ke khathetse haholo.

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Kahoo, qalong ho ne ho nkgathatsa
haholo, empa boikitlaetso bo a tshwanela.

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Mme ke dumela hore re bile le ketsahalo ya bohlokwa nalaneng
maobane, ha re ne re etsa qeto eo, hobane re

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kgonne ho kopanya batho ba bangata ba fapaneng,
mekgatlo le dihlopha. Mme qeto ya ka e ntle haholo.

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Ke dumela hore jwale re ntse re tswela pele le hore re tla fumana
lebelo le matlafatsang, le tla lebisa matla a

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phetoho a teng hara setjhaba, ho isa setjhabeng ho nka
matla a ho etsa diqeto tsa dipolotiki matsohong a sona.

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Mme li ne li le tsa histori ka tsela efe?
Ke eng e neng e khethehile ka matsatsi ao?

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Ka nalane, ntho ea mofuta ona ha e e-s'o ka e etsahala pele, moo
bohle ba lekang ho iphumanela lintlha tsa lipolotiki ka

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litaba tsa bona tsa motho ka mong le ho lumela hore
litaba tsa bona tsa motho ka mong li lekane ho tlisa phetoho.

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Empa re hlokomela seo. Re ka tsoela literateng ka mashome a
likete, ka makholo a likete a batho ho ipelaetsa khahlanong le

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ntoa, empa bo-ralipolotiki ba tsoela pele
joalokaha eka batho bana ba ne ba le sieo. Ho ne

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ho le joalo le nakong ea seoa sa coronavirus.

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Re ile ra tsoela literateng le batho ba
likete-kete, mme mehato ea ile ea phethahatsoa.

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Tsohle li ile tsa tsoela pele joalo ka pele.

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Mme se etsahalang hona joale sa bohlokoa nalaneng ke hore
mekhatlo ena e hlokometse le ho utlwisisa sena, ho sa

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natswe diphapang tsa mehopolo, e, ka ho feletseng
ho sa natswe diphapang tsa dipolotiki le tsa mehopolo.

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Ha ho na taba hore na batho ba eme kae, ba hlokometse.

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Jwale re tlameha ho kopana re le
setjhaba mme re nke matla matsohong a rona.

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Mme ha re se re na le matla matsohong a rona, re ka boela ra
ngangisana ka ditaba ka bonngwe, hobane ka nako eo ha re

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sa tla be re dutse feela tafoleng ya ba tlwaelehileng,
empa re tla be re le hara ditaba mme re kgona ho etsa diqeto.

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Mme seo ke nalane feela, hore batho ba utlwisise.

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Ha re sa batla hore matla a be hodimo. Re
batla hore matla a be matsohong a rona.

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Ke rata hape ho bolela WABEO hape.

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WABEO e tla ba e 'ngoe ea mekhatlo ea
bohlokoahali bakeng sa liphuputso tsa sechaba

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hobane WABEO e beha leihlo likhetho ka kakaretso.

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Mme ho akaretsa hape ho bolela ho shebella ho balwa ha dikgetho
diforamong tsa setjhaba, hobane e nngwe ya dikotsi tseo re

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tobaneng le tsona ke hore, haeba re sa ele hloko kamoo
dikgetho di balwang kateng, re ka hlolwa ka palo e nyane haholo.

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U ratile eng ka matsatsi ana?

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E, tumellano e akaretsang, e le molao-motheo, hape ka
nako e 'ngoe ha sehlopha se seholo haholo se

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lumellana ka ntho e itseng, ka tsela e itseng ea ho sebetsa.

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Haeba sena se hlile se fumana matla mme se
atleha, e tla be e le bohlokoa haholo boikitlaetso boo.

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Mohopolo oa hore kaofela ha rona re ne re
lumelletsoe ho nka karolo ka bo rona le

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hore ho ne ho se na libui tse laolang tsohle.

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E ne e le hantle ho tseba hore na tumellano e sebetsa joang, hore
na e etswa jwang, le hore batho ba bangata haholo ba ile ba nka

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karolo ka mehopolo le ditshisinyo, ka moelelo wa ho
kopanya mehopolo, e le hore ho fihlellwe ntlha e

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le nngwe, tse pedi kapa tse tharo tse kopanetsweng.

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Re ka etsa eng kannete? Ke eng ntho e
utloahalang ka ho fetisisa eo re ka e etsang ho

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kgutlisetsa naha ya rona tseleng e nepahetseng?

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Hore ho na le mehopolo e mengata e falimehileng mona
e nang le thahasello ea 'nete ea ho sebetsa 'moho,

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ho nts'etsapele litharollo le ho li kenya tšebetsong.

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Leha ke setho sa motheo, mohopolo oa ho fihlela
tumellano o ne o sa hlakele ho 'na nakong e fetileng.

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Kahoo, ke utlwisisa le ho feta kamoo
tumellano e sebetsang hantle kateng.

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Mme ke kgothaleditswe haholo ho tswelapele ho sebetsa
mme hape ke na le tshepo ya hore re tla etsa kgatelopele.

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U tla nka eng ka bouena matsatsing ana?

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Hore ho na le batho ba bangata ba inehetseng ba
batlang ho sebeletsa demokerasi ka tsela e ntle.

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Hore ho ka kgonahala ho dumellana ditabeng tse itseng moo
ho nang le tumellano, le moo moetlo wa dipuisano o ka bang

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motle haholo-holo hara batho bana bohle ba fapaneng haholo.

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Ke se ke tseba seo ke lokelang ho se
etsa, mme ke tla tswelapele ho se etsa.

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Mme ka bonna, ho dula ho le monate ho
kopana le batho ba tjena, ba mafolofolo haholo.

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Ho theha maqhama ho bohlokoa kamehla, ho
kopana hape, le ho fapanyetsana mehopolo.

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Lihokahano tse ngata tse ncha, batho ba
ratehang bao ke kopaneng le bona mona.

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Jwalokaha ke sa tswa bua, ha ho bonolo ho
sebeletsa ho theha setjhaba se setjha. Re se re na le

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mekgwa ya demokrasi, empa ditshitiso di phahame haholo.

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Mme re hloka ho sebetsa ho fokotsa tsena.

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Kea utlwisisa hore re tlameha ho ba hlokolosi hore re se ke ra
kgeloswa ke ditaba tse ka thoko le ho se

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senyetsane, empa ho ena le hoo re tsepamise maikutlo
sepheong sa ho tsosolosa puso ya batho ka batho.

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Kahoo, re fihlile qetellong.
Sephetho sa matsatsi ana a mararo ke sefe?

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E, sephetho sa matsatsi ana a mararo ke hore re thehile dihlopha
tsa tshebetso mme jwale re ikemiseditse ho

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sebedisa dihlopha tsena tsa tshebetso ho kenya
tshebetsong diphetoho tsa molaotheo dinaha tsa kopanelo.

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Ke dumela hore re thehile dihlopha
tse supileng tsa mosebetsi kaofela.

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Kahoo jwale ke nako ya ho qala: ho theha motheo wa botekgeniki,
ho theha motheo wa basebetsi, papatso, ditaba

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tsa setjhaba, tlhahlobo ya dikotsi – ditaba
tsena tsohle tse hlokang ho sebetswa hona jwale.

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Ehlile, ho fumana lichelete le tiisetso ea tsona le tsona ke
tsa bohlokoa, joalo ka ts'ebetso ea molao ea litaba tsohle,

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hobane ho na le litlhoko tse itseng tse tlamehang ho fihlellwa.

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Kahoo jwale re fetela tshebetsong e sebetsang, ha re ka rialo.

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Mme e tla tsoela pele neng?

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Hantle, lihlopha tsa tšebetso li tla qala ho kopana hang-hang.

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Mme jwale re dumellane ho tswelapele ka kopano e kgolo e
akaretsang khoeli tse pedi ka seng, ke hore, ha e le

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hantle re tswelapele ka kongerese ya inthaneteng e le kopano e
kgolo e akaretsang e etsahalang khoeli tse pedi ka seng.

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Ho sa ntse ho tla bonahala hore na linako tsa kopano
li tla tsoela pele ho ba khoeli tse peli le tse

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peli, kapa li tla ba khutšoanyane kapa li telele ho feta.

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Mme ke nahana hore selemong se tlang, kamora dikgwedi tse ka bang
tsheletseng, re tla tshwara kopano e latelang ya analogue hape.

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E, kea leboha ka ho hlophisa sena, hape
lebitsong la rona bohle ba neng re le karolo.

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E, kea leboha ka ho ba teng le ho
tlaleha ka taba ena. Kea leboha!

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