WEBVTT 00:00.280 --> 00:08.606 Ho tloha ka la 3 ho isa ho la 5 Mphalane 2025, Kopano ea Melao e Mecha ea Demokerasi e bile teng mona Apolda haufi le Weimar. 00:08.606 --> 00:15.300 Litumeliso li fanoe ke mekhatlo e kopaneng ea Germany Stands Up, Wabeo, ZAAVV, Klagepaten le Freedom Begins with No. 00:15.300 --> 00:21.075 Ka bankakarolo ba ka bang 90 ba tsoang maemong a fapaneng a lipolotiki, mehatong le mekhatlong, ho ile ha buisanwa ka 00:21.075 --> 00:27.389 mathata a hajwale a setjhaba, a dipolotiki le a sebopeho, mme qetellong ho ile ha dumellanwa ka ditharollo tse pedi. 00:27.389 --> 00:34.636 Ena ke mokhoa oa ho khetha o itšetlehileng eseng ho ee, empa ho che. Kla.TV e u rekotetse maikutlo. 00:34.636 --> 00:36.430 Potso ea ka ea pele ke hore, u tsoa kae? 00:36.430 --> 00:37.520 Ho tswa Augsburg. 00:37.520 --> 00:39.500 Ke tswa seterekeng sa Hochtaunus. 00:39.500 --> 00:41.010 Ho tsoa haufi le Berlin. 00:41.010 --> 00:44.330 Ke tswa Brandenburg, e ka leboya ho Berlin. 00:44.330 --> 00:46.276 Ke tswa Frankfurt am Main. 00:46.276 --> 00:48.763 Ke tswa Bochum sebakeng sa Ruhr. 00:48.763 --> 00:50.203 Ke tswa Frankfurt am Main. 00:50.203 --> 00:53.043 Ke tswa Bavaria, sebakeng sa Upper Franconia. 00:53.043 --> 00:56.036 Ke eng se o susumelitseng ho tla kopanong ena? 00:56.036 --> 01:00.564 E, ke boemong ba metheo mme ke ne ke batla feela ho bua le batho ba bangata ka demokerasi 01:00.564 --> 01:02.963 le hore na re ka hatela pele hammoho joang. 01:02.963 --> 01:12.249 Hantle, esale re le khahlanong ka lilemo tse ngata joale, 'me joale ke nako ea ho theha sechaba se betere, ke ka lebaka leo 01:12.249 --> 01:17.230 re neng re le mona mafelo-bekeng ana ho bona se ka khonehang. 01:17.230 --> 01:27.317 Ke amehetse haholo ke sehlooho sa demokerasi ea metheo le ka mokhoa oo maikutlo a thehoang ka oona kopanong ena, hobane ka 01:27.317 --> 01:35.584 lekhetlo la pele ho na le phapang e feletseng le mokhoa o tloaelehileng oa sethala se ka pele moo ba 01:35.584 --> 01:43.670 lutseng sethaleng ba etsang qeto esale pele ka maikutlo ao matšoele a lokelang ho ba le ona. 01:43.670 --> 01:55.953 Ke lekgetlo la pele re sebedisa mekgwa ena ho bokella maikutlo a motho ka mong ho tswa kopanong, ebe re fihlela tumellano. 01:55.953 --> 02:03.609 Tumellano e bolela tshebetso eo ka yona sehlopha se fihlelang maikutlo a tshwanang, a dumellanweng – tumellano. 02:03.609 --> 02:08.972 Ho fapana le kgetho ya setso e thehilweng hodima molaotheo wa bongata, ho batla tumellano ka tsamaiso ha ho batle 02:08.972 --> 02:15.323 tharollo e nang le dikgetho tse ngata tsa 'e', empa ho batla e nang le kganyetso e nyane ka ho fetisisa ka hara sehlopha. 02:15.323 --> 02:19.213 Sena se kgothalletsa diqeto tse kenyeletsang bohle le tse tsitsitseng, moo mantswe a 02:19.213 --> 02:23.043 thotseng kapa a nyatsang le ona a utlwahalang. 02:23.043 --> 02:28.591 Re bona hore demokerasi ea rona ha e sa le demokerasi ea rona. 02:28.591 --> 02:33.553 Mme re batla ho fumana tsela e ntjha ya ho tsosolosa puso ya batho ka batho. 02:33.553 --> 02:38.163 Linako tsa nalane ka linako tse ling li kanna tsa se bonahale ho hang e le linako tsa nalane. 02:38.163 --> 02:41.490 Hantle, ha re Hollywood, ha ho motho ea tlileng maobane ka mokete. 02:41.490 --> 02:48.202 E ne e se baahi bohle ba ileng ba ema ka tlung ka tšohanyetso, ba re, "Ho na le se etsahetseng." 02:48.202 --> 02:50.661 Mohale oa tsohle – ha ke tsebe le hore na mohale ke mang – ke wena! 02:50.661 --> 02:56.196 O ne a sa batlelehe, mme bohle ba mo sheba ka hlompho ba re, jwale ho na le phetoho. 02:56.196 --> 02:58.830 Empa ntho e bohlokoa nalaneng e etsahetse maobane. 02:58.830 --> 03:04.563 Monyetla feela oo re nang le oona oa ho etsa seo ke haeba re sa sitisoe ebile haeba re sa itimetsa. 03:04.563 --> 03:13.268 Mme seo re se entseng kajeno, kapa hantle-ntle hona jwale, matsatsing ana a mabedi, 03:13.268 --> 03:18.054 ke hore re qalile teko ya ho hlakola sena . 03:18.054 --> 03:22.456 Le ho bolela hore matla a phetoho ao re a hlahisang a lebisitsoe feela khahlanong le litsi tsa matla. 03:22.456 --> 03:27.809 Ke hore, ka ho re seo re se etsang, e leng qeto eo re e entseng ea ho theola litlhoko tsa 03:27.809 --> 03:31.456 lireferendamo, ke ho beha matla matsohong a sechaba. 03:31.456 --> 03:34.910 Re ba amoha matla a bona mme re ba tlisa ho rona. 03:34.910 --> 03:40.476 Mme monyetla o le mong feela oo re nang le ona wa ho etsa jwalo ke ho se kgeloswe le ho se intshe. 03:40.476 --> 03:46.176 Tsohle tseo re li buang ke lipuo feela tse se nang thuso haeba re se na matla a ho phethahatsa mehopolo ea rona. 03:46.176 --> 03:51.110 Ke seo re se entseng qeto mona maobane. 03:51.110 --> 03:54.888 Hona joale ke na le Ralf Ludwig, e mong oa ba qalileng kopano ena. 03:54.888 --> 03:58.583 Hape, potso ea ka: sepheo sa kopano ena ke sefe? 03:58.583 --> 04:05.793 Sepheo sa kopano ena ke ho kopanya dihlopha tse ngata tse fapaneng, tseo kaofela di nang le ditaba tse kgolo le tsa 04:05.793 --> 04:12.187 bohlokwa tsa dipolotiki, e le hore di ka fumana le ho theha mookotaba o tshwanang, e leng kutlwisiso e 04:12.187 --> 04:15.535 tshwanang ya dihlopha tsohle tsa dipolotiki, mmoho. 04:15.535 --> 04:19.095 Re se re entse seo, e leng hore re tlameha ho phahamisa potso ea matla. 04:19.095 --> 04:24.675 Hore ho sa tsotellehe hore na bothata ke bofe, re ka bo sebetsa feela haeba batho ba naha, 04:24.675 --> 04:27.430 baahi ba naha, le bona ba na le matla a lipolotiki. 04:27.430 --> 04:32.136 Sena se bolela hore, ha e le hantle, o khona ho iketsetsa qeto ka litaba tsa lipolotiki. 04:32.136 --> 04:36.990 Mme o atlehile jwang ho phedisana le mekgatlo e fapaneng, maikutlo le botho? 04:36.990 --> 04:42.396 Hantle, joalokaha u bona, kajeno ke letsatsi la ho qetela. Ke khathetse haholo. 04:42.396 --> 04:48.372 Re na le batho ba bangata ba nang le botho bo matla mona, batho ba matla ba ka tlhaho ba nang le litaba tsa bohlokoa tseo 04:48.372 --> 04:54.863 ba lokelang ho sebetsana le tsona. E ne e le puisano e thata 'me e ne e se bonolo kamehla, empa ho lokela ho ba joalo. 04:54.863 --> 05:00.685 Empa qetellong, re fihletse sephetho se setle hobane ke dumela hore bohle ba utlwile hore ena ke taba ya bohlokwa, e leng hore e 05:00.685 --> 05:05.780 le hore motho a phethahatse merero ya hae, o tlameha ho ba le matla a ho etsa diqeto tsa dipolotiki, hore ena ke 05:05.780 --> 05:10.910 taba ya bohlokwa ka ho fetisisa ho bohle, hore ena ke, jwalo ka ha ke boletse, taba ya motheo ho bohle. 05:10.910 --> 05:17.944 Mme seo se ile sa sebetsa ka tsela e makatsang. Mme ke nahana hore ke sona se thabisang ka hona: motho e mong le e mong a ka 05:17.944 --> 05:22.880 tswelapele ho etsa tsa hae, a be e le yena, a etse dintho ka mokgwa wa hae, mme a mpa a 05:22.880 --> 05:26.283 eketsa taba e nngwe moqoqong, e leng potso ya matla. 05:26.283 --> 05:31.700 Ke na le Stephanie Tsomakaeva, e mong oa bahlahisi le bahlophisi ba kopano ena. 05:31.700 --> 05:34.760 Potso ea ka ea pele ke hore, sepheo sa kopano ena ke sefe? 05:34.760 --> 05:37.396 E, dumela, ke a leboha ka ho ba mona. 05:37.396 --> 05:44.916 Sepheo sa rona bakeng sa kopano ena ha se ho amohela melao e mecha ea demokrasi, empa ke ho fihlela tumellano ka eona. 05:44.916 --> 05:54.150 Re kopane mona le batho ba tsoang mehatong e fapaneng, lihlopheng, le batho feela ba thahasellang taba ena, ho fumana 05:54.150 --> 06:03.305 hore na re ka fetisetsa matla a ho etsa liqeto joang ho tloha ho litho tsa paramente ho ea ho sechaba, hore na re ka 06:03.305 --> 06:13.520 iketsetsa liqeto joang, le hore na re ka fetola melao ena joang ka mekhoa e tloaelehileng, e lumellanang le molao. 06:13.520 --> 06:18.243 E, kea leboha. Mme ho ne ho le jwang ho fihlela tumellano mona le mekgatlo e fapaneng, 06:18.243 --> 06:21.160 mehopolo e fapaneng le maikutlo a fapaneng? 06:21.160 --> 06:25.496 E, ruri ke phephetso, kapa hona ho bolela ke tshebetso ya ho ithuta, nka ba ke re. 06:25.496 --> 06:30.390 Tumellano e fapane ka motheo le ho voutela "ee" kapa "che". 06:30.390 --> 06:33.655 Ka sebele e na le molemo oa hore ha le arohana. 06:33.655 --> 06:38.458 Leha re bile le dipuisano tse tsositseng kgang haholo mona, mme ka maikutlo a mangata, re 06:38.458 --> 06:41.570 ntse re le sehlopha se ikutlwang jwaloka lelapa. 06:41.570 --> 06:50.283 Empa ehlile re na le bothata ba ho fumana mantsoe a nepahetseng le ho utloisisa lipotso hantle, ke hore, ho utloisisana kannete 06:50.283 --> 06:58.803 le ho ikemisetsa ho mamela le ho fana ka nako le sebaka sa ho fumana mantsoe a nepahetseng, e leng phephetso ea sebele. 06:58.803 --> 07:04.416 Mme hape, ntlha ke hore ha o sa bolela seo o se tshehetsang, empa o bolela feela seo o sa se haneng. 07:04.416 --> 07:09.455 Mme o etsa seo ka matsoho a hao. Mme ke phephetso e nngwe hape, hobane batho ha ba tlwaetse ho etsa jwalo. 07:09.455 --> 07:12.703 Mme ruri oo e ne e le boikwetliso maobane bosiu. 07:12.703 --> 07:18.523 Ke lokela ho e etsa joang hona joale? Na ke e etse ka tsela ena, kapa ke e etse ka tsela ena le e 'ngoe? 07:18.523 --> 07:25.802 E, Ke nahana hore ena ke tsela e babatsehang ya ho ithuta e bontshitseng hore o ka fihlela tharollo le batho ba fapaneng 07:25.802 --> 07:33.445 haholo ntle le ho ngangisana, ntle le ho senyetsana, ntle le ho lwana qetellong, jwalo ka ha hangata ho etsahala dipolotiking. 07:33.445 --> 07:40.117 Haeba re ka nka sena re se isa lefatsheng mme ra qala ho theha tumellano boemong bo boholo ba dipolotiki, ruri 07:40.117 --> 07:46.540 ho tla lebisa lefatsheng le nang le kgotso e kgolo bakeng sa rona bohle. Mme ke eona qaleho mona. 07:46.540 --> 07:51.336 E, kea leboha haholo. Mme qeto ea hau ka sebele ho tsoa kopanong ena ke efe? 07:51.336 --> 07:54.596 E, ke fumane e le ntho e thabisang haholo. Le 'na ke khathetse haholo. 07:54.596 --> 07:59.323 Kahoo, qalong ho ne ho nkgathatsa haholo, empa boikitlaetso bo a tshwanela. 07:59.323 --> 08:05.804 Mme ke dumela hore re bile le ketsahalo ya bohlokwa nalaneng maobane, ha re ne re etsa qeto eo, hobane re 08:05.804 --> 08:12.001 kgonne ho kopanya batho ba bangata ba fapaneng, mekgatlo le dihlopha. Mme qeto ya ka e ntle haholo. 08:12.001 --> 08:17.850 Ke dumela hore jwale re ntse re tswela pele le hore re tla fumana lebelo le matlafatsang, le tla lebisa matla a 08:17.850 --> 08:23.770 phetoho a teng hara setjhaba, ho isa setjhabeng ho nka matla a ho etsa diqeto tsa dipolotiki matsohong a sona. 08:23.770 --> 08:29.236 Mme li ne li le tsa histori ka tsela efe? Ke eng e neng e khethehile ka matsatsi ao? 08:29.236 --> 08:35.219 Ka nalane, ntho ea mofuta ona ha e e-s'o ka e etsahala pele, moo bohle ba lekang ho iphumanela lintlha tsa lipolotiki ka 08:35.219 --> 08:41.183 litaba tsa bona tsa motho ka mong le ho lumela hore litaba tsa bona tsa motho ka mong li lekane ho tlisa phetoho. 08:41.183 --> 08:45.996 Empa re hlokomela seo. Re ka tsoela literateng ka mashome a likete, ka makholo a likete a batho ho ipelaetsa khahlanong le 08:45.996 --> 08:49.546 ntoa, empa bo-ralipolotiki ba tsoela pele joalokaha eka batho bana ba ne ba le sieo. Ho ne 08:49.546 --> 08:51.425 ho le joalo le nakong ea seoa sa coronavirus. 08:51.425 --> 08:55.031 Re ile ra tsoela literateng le batho ba likete-kete, mme mehato ea ile ea phethahatsoa. 08:55.031 --> 08:57.090 Tsohle li ile tsa tsoela pele joalo ka pele. 08:57.090 --> 09:01.701 Mme se etsahalang hona joale sa bohlokoa nalaneng ke hore mekhatlo ena e hlokometse le ho utlwisisa sena, ho sa 09:01.701 --> 09:05.321 natswe diphapang tsa mehopolo, e, ka ho feletseng ho sa natswe diphapang tsa dipolotiki le tsa mehopolo. 09:05.321 --> 09:08.834 Ha ho na taba hore na batho ba eme kae, ba hlokometse. 09:08.834 --> 09:12.506 Jwale re tlameha ho kopana re le setjhaba mme re nke matla matsohong a rona. 09:12.506 --> 09:16.488 Mme ha re se re na le matla matsohong a rona, re ka boela ra ngangisana ka ditaba ka bonngwe, hobane ka nako eo ha re 09:16.488 --> 09:20.495 sa tla be re dutse feela tafoleng ya ba tlwaelehileng, empa re tla be re le hara ditaba mme re kgona ho etsa diqeto. 09:20.495 --> 09:22.930 Mme seo ke nalane feela, hore batho ba utlwisise. 09:22.930 --> 09:27.056 Ha re sa batla hore matla a be hodimo. Re batla hore matla a be matsohong a rona. 09:27.056 --> 09:29.010 Ke rata hape ho bolela WABEO hape. 09:29.010 --> 09:34.873 WABEO e tla ba e 'ngoe ea mekhatlo ea bohlokoahali bakeng sa liphuputso tsa sechaba 09:34.873 --> 09:38.060 hobane WABEO e beha leihlo likhetho ka kakaretso. 09:38.060 --> 09:46.207 Mme ho akaretsa hape ho bolela ho shebella ho balwa ha dikgetho diforamong tsa setjhaba, hobane e nngwe ya dikotsi tseo re 09:46.207 --> 09:54.450 tobaneng le tsona ke hore, haeba re sa ele hloko kamoo dikgetho di balwang kateng, re ka hlolwa ka palo e nyane haholo. 09:54.450 --> 09:56.544 U ratile eng ka matsatsi ana? 09:56.544 --> 10:00.646 E, tumellano e akaretsang, e le molao-motheo, hape ka nako e 'ngoe ha sehlopha se seholo haholo se 10:00.646 --> 10:03.816 lumellana ka ntho e itseng, ka tsela e itseng ea ho sebetsa. 10:03.816 --> 10:08.103 Haeba sena se hlile se fumana matla mme se atleha, e tla be e le bohlokoa haholo boikitlaetso boo. 10:08.103 --> 10:13.014 Mohopolo oa hore kaofela ha rona re ne re lumelletsoe ho nka karolo ka bo rona le 10:13.014 --> 10:16.384 hore ho ne ho se na libui tse laolang tsohle. 10:16.384 --> 10:24.106 E ne e le hantle ho tseba hore na tumellano e sebetsa joang, hore na e etswa jwang, le hore batho ba bangata haholo ba ile ba nka 10:24.106 --> 10:30.092 karolo ka mehopolo le ditshisinyo, ka moelelo wa ho kopanya mehopolo, e le hore ho fihlellwe ntlha e 10:30.092 --> 10:33.290 le nngwe, tse pedi kapa tse tharo tse kopanetsweng. 10:33.290 --> 10:36.861 Re ka etsa eng kannete? Ke eng ntho e utloahalang ka ho fetisisa eo re ka e etsang ho 10:36.861 --> 10:39.523 kgutlisetsa naha ya rona tseleng e nepahetseng? 10:39.523 --> 10:43.940 Hore ho na le mehopolo e mengata e falimehileng mona e nang le thahasello ea 'nete ea ho sebetsa 'moho, 10:43.940 --> 10:47.083 ho nts'etsapele litharollo le ho li kenya tšebetsong. 10:47.083 --> 10:54.250 Leha ke setho sa motheo, mohopolo oa ho fihlela tumellano o ne o sa hlakele ho 'na nakong e fetileng. 10:54.250 --> 10:59.900 Kahoo, ke utlwisisa le ho feta kamoo tumellano e sebetsang hantle kateng. 10:59.900 --> 11:07.770 Mme ke kgothaleditswe haholo ho tswelapele ho sebetsa mme hape ke na le tshepo ya hore re tla etsa kgatelopele. 11:07.770 --> 11:11.044 U tla nka eng ka bouena matsatsing ana? 11:11.044 --> 11:14.794 Hore ho na le batho ba bangata ba inehetseng ba batlang ho sebeletsa demokerasi ka tsela e ntle. 11:14.794 --> 11:21.852 Hore ho ka kgonahala ho dumellana ditabeng tse itseng moo ho nang le tumellano, le moo moetlo wa dipuisano o ka bang 11:21.852 --> 11:25.856 motle haholo-holo hara batho bana bohle ba fapaneng haholo. 11:25.856 --> 11:30.250 Ke se ke tseba seo ke lokelang ho se etsa, mme ke tla tswelapele ho se etsa. 11:30.250 --> 11:37.550 Mme ka bonna, ho dula ho le monate ho kopana le batho ba tjena, ba mafolofolo haholo. 11:37.550 --> 11:42.523 Ho theha maqhama ho bohlokoa kamehla, ho kopana hape, le ho fapanyetsana mehopolo. 11:42.523 --> 11:46.923 Lihokahano tse ngata tse ncha, batho ba ratehang bao ke kopaneng le bona mona. 11:46.923 --> 11:55.627 Jwalokaha ke sa tswa bua, ha ho bonolo ho sebeletsa ho theha setjhaba se setjha. Re se re na le 11:55.627 --> 12:00.783 mekgwa ya demokrasi, empa ditshitiso di phahame haholo. 12:00.783 --> 12:04.443 Mme re hloka ho sebetsa ho fokotsa tsena. 12:04.443 --> 12:10.898 Kea utlwisisa hore re tlameha ho ba hlokolosi hore re se ke ra kgeloswa ke ditaba tse ka thoko le ho se 12:10.898 --> 12:20.156 senyetsane, empa ho ena le hoo re tsepamise maikutlo sepheong sa ho tsosolosa puso ya batho ka batho. 12:20.156 --> 12:24.223 Kahoo, re fihlile qetellong. Sephetho sa matsatsi ana a mararo ke sefe? 12:24.223 --> 12:28.963 E, sephetho sa matsatsi ana a mararo ke hore re thehile dihlopha tsa tshebetso mme jwale re ikemiseditse ho 12:28.963 --> 12:33.876 sebedisa dihlopha tsena tsa tshebetso ho kenya tshebetsong diphetoho tsa molaotheo dinaha tsa kopanelo. 12:33.876 --> 12:36.356 Ke dumela hore re thehile dihlopha tse supileng tsa mosebetsi kaofela. 12:36.356 --> 12:41.814 Kahoo jwale ke nako ya ho qala: ho theha motheo wa botekgeniki, ho theha motheo wa basebetsi, papatso, ditaba 12:41.814 --> 12:46.495 tsa setjhaba, tlhahlobo ya dikotsi – ditaba tsena tsohle tse hlokang ho sebetswa hona jwale. 12:46.495 --> 12:52.495 Ehlile, ho fumana lichelete le tiisetso ea tsona le tsona ke tsa bohlokoa, joalo ka ts'ebetso ea molao ea litaba tsohle, 12:52.495 --> 12:55.720 hobane ho na le litlhoko tse itseng tse tlamehang ho fihlellwa. 12:55.720 --> 12:59.180 Kahoo jwale re fetela tshebetsong e sebetsang, ha re ka rialo. 12:59.180 --> 13:01.303 Mme e tla tsoela pele neng? 13:01.303 --> 13:04.203 Hantle, lihlopha tsa tšebetso li tla qala ho kopana hang-hang. 13:04.203 --> 13:08.274 Mme jwale re dumellane ho tswelapele ka kopano e kgolo e akaretsang khoeli tse pedi ka seng, ke hore, ha e le 13:08.274 --> 13:13.650 hantle re tswelapele ka kongerese ya inthaneteng e le kopano e kgolo e akaretsang e etsahalang khoeli tse pedi ka seng. 13:13.650 --> 13:15.856 Ho sa ntse ho tla bonahala hore na linako tsa kopano li tla tsoela pele ho ba khoeli tse peli le tse 13:15.856 --> 13:17.160 peli, kapa li tla ba khutšoanyane kapa li telele ho feta. 13:17.160 --> 13:23.450 Mme ke nahana hore selemong se tlang, kamora dikgwedi tse ka bang tsheletseng, re tla tshwara kopano e latelang ya analogue hape. 13:23.450 --> 13:28.023 E, kea leboha ka ho hlophisa sena, hape lebitsong la rona bohle ba neng re le karolo. 13:28.023 --> 13:31.770 E, kea leboha ka ho ba teng le ho tlaleha ka taba ena. 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