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Ukususela ngomhla wesi-3 ukuya kowesi-5
ku-Okthobha 2025, iNkongolo yemiThetho eMitsha

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yeDemokhrasi ibibanjelwe apha eApolda kufuphi neWeimar.

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Izimemo zikhutshwe ngamabumbano i-Germany Stands Up,
i-Wabeo, i-ZAAVV, i-Klagepaten kunye ne-Freedom Begins with No.

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Kubathathi-nxaxheba abamalunga ne-90 abavela kwiimvelaphi
ezahlukeneyo zezopolitiko, kumaphulo nakwiintshukumo,

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kuxoxwe ngeengxaki zangoku zentlalo, ezopolitiko nezakhiwo,
kwaye ekugqibeleni kwavunyelwana ngezisombululo ezibini.

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Le yinkqubo yokuvota esekelwe kungekhona kwewe,
kodwa kwakungekho. I-Kla.TV ikurekhodele iingqondomhla.

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Umbuzo wam wokuqala ngulo, uvela phi?

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Ovela e-Augsburg.

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Ndisuka kwisithili saseHochtaunus.

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Ukusuka kufuphi neBerlin.

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Ndisuka eBrandenburg, kanye emantla eBerlin.

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Ndisuka eFrankfurt am Main.

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Ndisuka eBochum kwingingqi yaseRuhr.

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Ndisuka eFrankfurt am Main.

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Ndisuka eBavaria, kwingingqi yase-Upper Franconia.

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Yintoni ekukhuthazileyo ukuba uze kule nkomfa?

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Ewe, ndikumgangatho wabantu abaqhelekileyo kwaye
bendifuna nje ukuthetha nabantu abaninzi malunga

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nodemokhrasi nendlela esinokuqhubela phambili ngayo kunye.

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Ewe, sekuyiminyaka emininzi sisekuxhatshazweni, kwaye
ngoku lixesha lokudala uluntu olungcono, yiyo loo nto

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besilapha kule mpelaveki ukubona ukuba yintoni enokwenzeka.

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Ndichukumiseke ngokukodwa sisihloko sendimokhrasi esuka ezantsi
nangendlela izimvo ezenziwa ngayo kule nkomfa, kuba kokokuqala

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ngqa kukho ukuphambuka okubanzi kwifomathi eqhelekileyo
yepodiumi engaphambili apho abo bahleli epodiumini benza

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kwangaphambili ukuba izihlwele kufuneka zibe neziphi izimvo.

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Kokuqala ngqa sisebenzisa le nkqubo yokuqokelela izimvo
zabantu ngabanye kwiNkongolo ukuze ke sifikelele kwisivumelwano.

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Ukuvumelana kubhekisa kwinkqubo apho iqela
lifikelela kwimbono efanayo, evunyelweneyo – isivumelwano.

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Ngokwahlukileyo kunokuvota kwesiqhelo okusekelwe kumgaqo
wobuninzi, ukufuna imvumelwano ngokwenkqubo akufuni

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sisombululo esinazo ezona voti zininzi zokuvuma, kodwa
endaweni yoko, ifuna esona sinenkcaso incinci eliqela.

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Oku kukhuthaza izigqibo ezibandakanyayo nezizinzileyo,
apho amazwi athuleyo okanye agxekayo nawo ayaviwa.

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Siyabona ukuba idemokhrasi yethu ayiseyidemokhrasi yethu.

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Kwaye sifuna ukufumana indlela
entsha yokusekela kwakhona idemokhrasi.

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Amaxesha embalini ngamanye amaxesha
asenokungabonakali kwaphela ngathi ngawona amaxesha embalini.

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Kaloku, asikho eHollywood, akukho
mntu ufikileyo izolo 'nesandi esikhulu'.

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Asingabo bonke abantu abathe ngequbuliso bema ngaphandle
kwiholo baza bangena apha besithi, "Kukho into eyenzekileyo."

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Igqala lako konke – andazi nokuba ligqala lingubani – Nguwe!

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Wayengekho esazulwini, kwaye wonke umntu
wamhlonipha wathi, ngoku kukho into etshintshileyo.

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Kodwa into eyimbali yenzeke izolo.

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Ithuba kuphela esinalo lokwenza oko kukuba
singaphazanyiseki kwaye singazitshabalalisi.

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Kwaye into esiyenzileyo namhlanje, okanye mandithi ngoku, kwezi
ntsuku zimbini, kukuba siqalile umzamo wokuphosa ecaleni oku .

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Kwaye ukuthi amandla otshintsho
esiwavelisayo ajoliswe kuphela kwiiziko zolawulo.

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Okungukuthi ngokuthi into esiyenzayo,
ngokukodwa ngesigqibo esisenzileyo sokuthoba iimfuno

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zeereferendamu, kukubeka amandla ezandleni zabantu.

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Siyakuthabatha amandla abo size sibazise kuthi.

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Kwaye ithuba kuphela esinalo lokwenza oko
kukuba singaphazamiseki kwaye singazitshabalalisi.

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Yonke into esiyithethayo yintetho nje esingento
ukuba asinalo amandla okwenza izimvo zethu zibe yinyani.

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Yiloo nto esigqibe ngayo apha izolo.

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Ngoku ndikunye noRalf Ludwig, omnye wabasunguli bale nkomfa.

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Kananjalo, umbuzo wam: yintoni injongo yale nkomfa?

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Injongo yale nkomfa kukudibanisa amaqela amaninzi awohlukeneyo,
onke anezindaba ezinkulu nezibalulekileyo

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zezopolitiko, ukuze afumane kwaye aformule umxholo ofanayo,
ingqiqo efanayo yayo yonke amaqela ezopolitiko, kunye.

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Sele siyenzile loo nto, kowukuba
kufuneka siphakamise umbuzo wamandla.

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Nokuba sinayo nayiphi na ingxaki, singayisombulula kuphela
xa abantu belizwe, abemi balo, nabo benamandla ezopolitiko.

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Oku kuthetha ukuba, eneneni, uyakwazi
ukuzigqibelela ngemiba yezopolitiko.

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Kwaye wawunakho njani ukuvumelana nemibutho
eyahlukeneyo, izimvo kunye nobuntu obahlukeneyo?

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Ke, njengoko ubona, namhlanje
lusuku lokugqibela. Ndidiniwe kakhulu.

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Sinabantu abaninzi abanozakuzo apha, abantu abomeleleyo
abakwaziyo ukuba neengxaki ezibalulekileyo

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ekufuneka bazilungise. Ibiyingxoxo enzima kwaye
ibingasoloko ilula, kodwa kufanele kube njalo.

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Kodwa ekugqibeleni, sifumene isiphumo esihle kuba ndikholelwa
ukuba wonke umntu uyaqonda ukuba lo ngumba obaluleke kakhulu,

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okuthetha ukuthi ukuze uphumeze i-ajenda yakho, kufuneka ube
namandla okwenza izigqibo kwezopolitiko, nokuba lo

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ngowona mbuzo ubalulekileyo kumntu wonke, nokuba lo,
njengoko benditshilo, ngumba osisiseko kumntu wonke.

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Kwaye oko kwasebenza ngokumangalisayo. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba yile
nto eyenza le nto ibe nemincili kangaka: wonke umntu unokuqhubeka

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esenza eyakhe into, abe yile nto ayiyo, enze
izinto ngendlela yakhe, aze nje ongeze esinye

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isihloko kule ngxoxo, kanye lo mbuzo wamandla.

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Ndikunye noStephanie Tsomakaeva, omnye
wabaxhasi nabaququzeleli bale nkomfa.

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Umbuzo wam wokuqala ngulo, injongo yale nkomfa yintoni?

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Ewe, molo, enkosi ngokuba lapha.

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Injongo yethu kule nkomfa asikokwamkela imithetho
emitsha yedemokhrasi, kodwa kukufikelela kwisivumelwano ngayo.

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Sidibene apha nabantu abavela kumaphulo ahlukeneyo, kumaqela,
nabantu nje abanomdla kulo mbandela, ukuze sifumane ukuba

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singayisusa njani amandla okwenza izigqibo esuka kubalawuli
bezomthetho siye ebantwini, ukuba singazigqibelela njani, nokuba

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singawatshintsha njani la migaqo ngeendlela eziqhelekileyo,
ezimiselweyo ngokomthetho okanye ezihambelana nomthetho.

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Ewe, enkosi. Kwaye bekunjani ukufikelela kwisivumelwano
apha kunye neentshukumo ezahlukeneyo, iingqondo, nezimvo?

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Ewe, ngenene ngumngeni, okanye mandithi yinkqubo yokufunda.

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Uvumelwano lwahluke ngokupheleleyo ekuvoteni "ewe" okanye "hayi".

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Ngokuqinisekileyo inenzuzo yokuba anahlukani.

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Nangona siye sanengxoxo eziphikisanayo kakhulu apha, nezele
ziimvakalelo, sisengumntu-ntlanganisela oziva njengosapho.

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Kodwa ke sinengxaki yokufumana amagama achanekileyo nokuqonda
imibuzo ngokuchanekileyo, oko kukuthi, ukuqondana ngokwenene

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nokuba nokuzimisela ukuphulaphula nokunika ixesha nendawo
yokufumana amagama achanekileyo, nto leyo engumngeni wokwenene.

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Kwaye ke kukho into yokuba awusasithi yintoni
oyixhasayo, kodwa uthi yile nto ungenankathalo ngayo.

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Kwaye wenza loo nto ngezandla zakho. Kwaye lo ngomnye
umceli mngeni, kuba abantu abaqhelanga ukwenza loo nto.

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Kwaye yiyo kanye loo nto ebiyeyo ngokwenene umthambo phezolo.

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Mndenze njani ngoku? Ingaba mandiyenze ngolu
hlobo, okanye mandiyenze ngolu hlobo nangaloo hlobo?

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Ewe, Ndicinga ukuba le yinkqubo yokufunda emangalisayo ebonisile
ukuba ungafikelela kwisisombululo nabantu abahluke kakhulu

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ngaphandle kokuxabana, ngaphandle kokutshabalalisana, ngaphandle
kokulwa ekugqibeleni, njengoko kusoloko kunjalo kwezopolitiko.

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Ukuba singayisa le nto kwihlabathi jikelele size siqalise ukwakha
uvumelwano kwinqanaba eliphezulu lezopolitiko,

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ngokuqinisekileyo oku kuza kukhokelela kwihlabathi elinoxolo
ngakumbi kuthi sonke. Kwaye yayiloo nto isisiqalo apha.

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Ewe, enkosi kakhulu. Yeyiphi
isigqibo sakho buqu osifumene kule nkomfa?

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Ewe, ndikufumene kuyonwabisa kakhulu. Nam ndidiniwe kakhulu.

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Ngoko ke, ekuqaleni kwakudinisayo
kakhulu kum, kodwa umzamo uyaxabiseka.

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Kwaye ndikholelwa ukuba besinethuba eliyimbali namhlanje, izolo,
xa sasisenza eso sigqibo, kuba sikwazile

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ukudibanisa abantu abaninzi abohlukeneyo, imibutho kunye
namaqela. Kwaye isiphelo sam sinentembelo kakhulu.

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Ndikholelwa ukuba ngoku siqhubela phambili kwaye siza kufumana
umfutho oza kukhokelela amandla otshintsho akhoyo

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phakathi kwabemi, nto leyo eza kukhokelela ekubeni abemi
bazithathe ngokwabo amagunya okwenza izigqibo zezopolitiko.

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Kwaye zazibalulekile njani emlandweni?
Yintoni eyayenza iyezo ntsuku zikhetheke kangako?

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Ngokwembali, le nto ingolu hlobo ayizange yenzeke ngaphambili,
wonke umntu ezama ukuzifumanela amanqaku

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ezopolitiko ngemiba yakhe yobuqu kwaye ekholelwa
ukuba imiba yakhe yobuqu yanele ukuzisa utshintsho.

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Kodwa siyayibona loo nto. Singaphuma sisiya ezitratweni nezigidi
zabantu sizibandakanya uqhankqalazo oluchasene nemfazwe,

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kodwa ke oosopolitiki baqhuba ngathi ezi zihlwele
bezingekho. Kwakunjalo nangexesha lobhubhane we-coronavirus.

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Saphuma esitratweni kunye namakhulu amawaka abantu, kwaye
amanyathelo aye asetyenziswa. Kwakhona kwaqhubeka njengakuqala.

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Kwaye eyona nto ibalulekileyo ngoku kukuba la mahlakani ayiqondile
yaye ayamkele le nto, nangaphaya kokwahlukana kweembono, ewe,

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ngokupheleleyo nangaphaya kokwahlukana kwezopolitiko neembono.

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Akukhathaliseki ukuba abantu bemi phi, baye baqonda.

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Ngoku kufuneka simanyane njengesizwe
size sithathe amandla ngesandla sethu.

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Kwaye xa sinamandla ezandleni zethu, singaphinda sixoxe ngemiba
nganye, kuba ngoko asisayi kuba sisahleli nje

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etafileni yabantu abaqhelekileyo, kodwa siza kube
sikwaziziko zezinto kwaye sikwazi ukwenza izigqibo.

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Kwaye oko kwakuyinto nje yembali, ukuba abantu baqonda.

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Asisafuni laa mandla abe phezulu.
Sifuna laa mandla abe ezandleni zethu.

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Ndingathanda kwakhona ukukhankanya iWABEO.

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I-WABEO iza kuba ngenye yezona mibutho
zibalulekileyo yee-referendamu kuba

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i-WABEO ibeka iliso kunyulo kuzo zonke iinkalo.

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Kwaye igama elithi 'comprehensive' lithetha nokujonga ukubalwa
kweevoti kwiireferendamu, kuba omnye wemingcipheko

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esijongene nayo kukuba, ukuba asinikeli ngqalelo
kwindlela ebalwa ngayo iivoti, sinokoyiswa ngomda omncinci.

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Uthande ntoni ngezi ntsuku?

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Ewe, uvumelwano olupheleleyo, njengomgaqo, kwaye
ngamanye amaxesha xa iqela elikhulu kakhulu

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livumelana ngento ethile, ngendlela ethile yokwenza izinto.

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Ukuba oku kuyaphumelela kwaye kuqhuba kakuhle,
kuya kuba kufanelekile ukuba umzamo wenziwe.

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Ingcinga yokuba sonke besivunyelwe ukuba sithathe inxaxheba
ngokwethu kwaye bekungekho zithethi ezazilawula yonke into.

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Bekulungile ukwazi indlela esebenza ngayo isivumelwano, indlela
eyenziwa ngayo, nokuba abantu abaninzi kangaka baye bathatha

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inxaxheba ngeengcinga neziphakamiso, ngenjongo
yokuhlanganisa iingcinga, ukuze kuvele

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ingqikelelo enye, ezimbini okanye ezintathu ezifanayo.

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Singenza ntoni ngokwenene? Yeyiphi eyona nto
inengqiqo esinokuyenza ukuze ilizwe lethu libuyele endleleni?

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Ukuba zininzi iingqondo eziphaphileyo apha ezinomdla wokwenene
wokusebenzisana, ukuphuhlisa izisombululo nokuzisebenzisa.

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Nangona ndiligqala elisuka ezantsi, ingcinga yokwakha
isivumelwano ibingacacanga kum kwixesha elidlulileyo.

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Ngoko ke, ukuqonda kwam malunga nokuba
isivumelwano sisebenza kakuhle kangakanani kuye kwazinziswa.

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Kwaye ndikhuthazeke kakhulu ukuqhubeka nokusebenza
kwaye kwakhona ndinethemba lokuba siza kwenza inkqubela.

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Yintoni oza kuyithatha wena buqu kwezi ntsuku?

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Ukuba baninzi abantu abazinikeleyo abafuna
ukusebenzela idemokhrasi ngendlela eyakhayo.

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Kuyenzeka ukuba kuvunyelwane ngemiba ethile apho
kukho isivumelwano, kwaye inkcubeko yengxoxo inokuba intle

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kakhulu phakathi kwabo bonke aba bantu abohlukeneyo.

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Sendisazi into ekufuneka
ndiyenzile, kwaye ndiza kuqhubeka ndiyenza.

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Kwaye mna ngokwam, kuhlala kulungile
ukudibana nabantu abanjengaba, abakhuthele kakhulu.

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Ukunxulumana kubalulekile ngamaxesha onke,
ukudibana kwakhona, nokutshintshiselana ngeengcinga.

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Abantu abaninzi abatsha endidibene nabo apha.

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Njengoko ndisandul' ukutsho, akukho lula
ukusebenzela uluntu olutsha. Sele sinazo iindlela

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zedemokhrasi, kodwa imiqobo iphezulu kakhulu.

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Kwaye kufuneka sisebenzele ukunciphisa ezi.

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Ndiyaqonda ukuba kufuneka silumke singaphazanyiswa
yimiba esecaleni kwaye singazityhafisi, kodwa endaweni

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yoko sigxile kwinjongo yokuseka kwakhona idemokhrasi.

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Ngoko ke, sifikelele esiphelweni.
Yintoni isiphumo sezi ntsuku zintathu?

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Ewe, isiphumo sezi ntsuku zintathu kukuba simise amaqela
okusebenza kwaye ngoku sinenjongo

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yokusebenzisa la maqela okusebenza ukuphumeza
izilungiso zomgaqo-siseko kumazwe afederali.

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Ndikholelwa ukuba simisile iqela
elipheleleyo lamaqela okusebenza asixhenxe.

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Ngoko ke ngoku lixesha lokuqalisa: ukudala iziseko
zobuchwepheshe, ukudala iziseko zabasebenzi,

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ukuthengisa, imicimbi yoluntu, uhlalutyo lwemingcipheko
– yonke le micimbi ekufuneka ngoku ijongwane nayo.

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Ewe kona, inkxaso-mali nezibambiso zayo nazo zibalulekile,
njengoko kubalulekile nokwenziwa kwayo yonke

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inkqubo yezomthetho kuyo yonke le micimbi, kuba
kukho iimfuno ezithile ekufuneka zifezekiswe.

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Ngoku ke siqhubela phambili kusetyenziso olusebenzayo, masithi.

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Kwaye izakuqhubeka nini?

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Ke, amaqela okusebenza aza kuqalisa ukudibana ngoko nangoko.

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Kwaye ngoku sivumelene ukuqhubeka rhoqo kwiinyanga ezimbini
ngentlanganiso enkulu yovulindlela, oko kukuthi,

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ngokwenene siqhubeka nenkomfa ye-intanethi
njengentlanganiso enkulu yovulindlela rhoqo kwiinyanga ezimbini.

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Okuba ingaba iintlanganiso ziya kuqhubeka zibanjwa
qho emva kweenyanga ezimbini, okanye ingaba izithuba

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ziya kufutshane okanye zibe zinde, kusaza kubonakala.

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Kwaye ndicinga ukuba kunyaka ozayo, malunga neenyanga ezintandathu
ezizayo, siza kuphinda sibambe inkomfa elandelayo ye-analogue.

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Ewe, enkosi ngokuququzelela oku,
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