WEBVTT 00:00.234 --> 00:04.648 In our studio today I welcome lawyer Ralf Ludwig. 00:04.648 --> 00:11.757 Thank you very much for taking the time to answer our exciting, burning questions! 00:11.757 --> 00:15.804 You are co-founder of the so-called ZAAVV. 00:15.804 --> 00:24.488 The ZAAVV - I'll read it out: ZAAVV stands for Center for the Reappraisal, Clarification, Legal 00:24.488 --> 00:30.062 Prosecution and Prevention of Crimes against Humanity. 00:30.062 --> 00:38.844 The ZAAVV was created during the - I would say - recent past, which I personally experienced as extremely oppressive, 00:38.844 --> 00:43.324 threatening, restrictive, in other words really cruel. 00:43.324 --> 00:51.906 And that's how this ZAAVV came about, with the goal: This must not happen again, we must reappraise this: 00:51.906 --> 00:55.367 What happened there must never happen again! 00:55.367 --> 01:05.937 Now the thing is, during that very time - that Covid time, pandemic time - many coercive measures were prescribed, where it 01:05.937 --> 01:13.585 has now emerged in retrospect through the released protocols of the Robert Koch Institute 01:13.585 --> 01:18.007 that there was no medical need for them at all. 01:18.007 --> 01:28.117 In other words, measures were imposed on us simply for political reasons, not based on medical grounds at all. 01:28.117 --> 01:33.998 And that brings me to the point of why I, why we at Kla.TV, want to talk to you 01:33.998 --> 01:38.265 specifically. And we want to talk about practical matters. 01:38.265 --> 01:44.617 The Standing Vaccination Commission strongly recommends polio vaccination. 01:44.617 --> 01:52.111 There are also repeated discussions and voices saying that polio vaccination should be made compulsory. 01:52.111 --> 01:57.407 It was discontinued back then, but it would be time to reintroduce it. 01:57.407 --> 02:03.373 And of course, as a citizen, I question this at first. Do I want this, do I have to do 02:03.373 --> 02:06.837 this, should I do this? And I inform myself. 02:06.837 --> 02:13.281 And the other day, I read an interesting report by Torsten Engelbrecht and Hans Tolzin. 02:13.281 --> 02:24.343 They, in turn, write in their report that these polio symptoms, that is, these signs of paralysis and so on, can 02:24.343 --> 02:34.837 also be caused by poisoning - DDT, arsenic, lead and so on - which can produce exactly the same symptoms. 02:34.837 --> 02:39.621 So then you also have someone who supposedly has polio. 02:39.621 --> 02:47.582 And it's not entirely clear to Professor Dr. Bhakdi either. 02:47.582 --> 02:52.254 Virus: What supports the virus? What else is there? And so on. 02:52.254 --> 02:56.589 It is in itself something that is fraught with many question marks. 02:56.589 --> 02:59.237 Hence my question to you as a lawyer: 02:59.237 --> 03:05.382 If I, as a citizen, were to have a polio vaccination... - if something like this were to become compulsory again, 03:05.382 --> 03:13.841 for example - and the matter is unclear, is it even permissible to expect a citizen to have such a vaccination? 03:13.841 --> 03:19.629 Well, the standard legal answer is that it depends. 03:19.629 --> 03:27.152 Unfortunately, we have seen in the Corona period that the courts did not protect people and that the courts... 03:27.152 --> 03:33.908 First of all, I would always say that it is an individual decision and medical measures should 03:33.908 --> 03:38.347 never be carried out on people against their will. 03:38.347 --> 03:43.609 That is actually what we have learned and taken with us from the Nazi era. 03:43.609 --> 03:49.043 Human experiments were carried out, people were treated against their will. 03:49.043 --> 03:55.385 And that is precisely why one of the lessons of the Nazi era was: It must never happen again! 03:55.385 --> 03:57.238 So 40s protocols or whatever they're called, right? 03:57.238 --> 04:03.897 Exactly, but it is essentially about the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the protocols 04:03.897 --> 04:07.754 or catalogs of fundamental rights derived from it. 04:07.754 --> 04:13.668 There is a Bioethics Convention, which incidentally has not been ratified by Germany. 04:13.668 --> 04:19.660 But the Bioethics Convention includes this, as does the European Charter of Fundamental Rights. 04:19.660 --> 04:30.214 So it is said again and again: No forced medication, no medical therapy against a person's will! 04:30.214 --> 04:37.254 And that was really restricted for the first time during the Covid period. 04:37.254 --> 04:41.347 And then the politicians more or less realized: We can do this. 04:41.347 --> 04:46.191 And the judiciary, which is supposed to be there as a corrective, did not make this correction. 04:46.191 --> 04:48.386 First of all, that's the experience we have. 04:48.386 --> 04:55.466 And that is also the danger that, as you said, is still there from this most bitter time, and incidentally also one of 04:55.466 --> 05:02.252 the reasons why the ZAAVV exists, so that we can intervene at precisely this point and raise our finger and say: 05:02.252 --> 05:06.119 Wait a minute, we actually have the basic rule. 05:06.119 --> 05:13.710 And since this Bioethics Convention has been in existence - that is, it has actually been under discussion since the 1990s - the 05:13.710 --> 05:19.818 path has actually been towards defining more and more clearly and establishing more clearly that no one 05:19.818 --> 05:23.676 may be treated therapeutically against their will. 05:23.676 --> 05:33.329 But obviously this view of human rights contradicts pharmaceutical interests and more or less contradicts a 05:33.329 --> 05:38.478 large global industry that makes a lot of money from it. 05:38.478 --> 05:40.847 Yes, that's how we perceived it during the Covid period. 05:40.847 --> 05:43.777 That's exactly how it was before the Covid pandemic. 05:43.777 --> 05:45.686 This is also the case now after the Covid period. 05:45.686 --> 05:52.379 So there's a lot of money involved, a lot of power, influence, spheres of interest and so on. 05:52.379 --> 05:54.777 And you just mentioned the STIKO . 05:54.777 --> 06:00.980 Of course, the STIKO is also precisely an instrument for implementing these ideas. We must not forget that. 06:00.980 --> 06:05.135 So the STIKO - if you take a closer look at how the STIKO actually works... 06:05.135 --> 06:11.846 So the STIKO is a commission, I think it consists of 18 members. 06:11.846 --> 06:16.596 And in this STIKO, in this standing vaccination commission, they form so-called subcommittees. 06:16.596 --> 06:21.283 In other words, there is a Covid committee - or working groups. 06:21.283 --> 06:27.336 There is a working group for various disease patterns and for the measures that they then review, 06:27.336 --> 06:31.002 whether we make a vaccination recommendation or not. 06:31.002 --> 06:37.416 And then there are clear guidelines. So in principle, if you take a closer look, everything is well regulated by law. 06:37.416 --> 06:40.860 Because the STIKO is actually supposed to make a recommendation. 06:40.860 --> 06:49.369 They receive evaluations of studies that exist on these specific disease patterns. 06:49.369 --> 06:55.080 And these studies are then classified on the basis of an evidence scale . 06:55.080 --> 07:00.682 In other words, we know that this is a study in which many participants took part and which was double-blind . 07:00.682 --> 07:08.416 So the evidence of such a study is classified according to scientific criteria, and then the STIKO members, or first of all 07:08.416 --> 07:14.954 the members of the committee, who then make a recommendation to the STIKO, get more or less a scientific 07:14.954 --> 07:20.682 overview of what the current situation is with regard to the disease pattern in question. 07:20.682 --> 07:27.111 So what do we know more precisely about this disease, what do we know about the symptoms of this disease, what do we know about 07:27.111 --> 07:33.337 the course of this disease, what do we know about the severity of the disease, what do we know about medical substances, in 07:33.337 --> 07:39.518 this case vaccinations, against this disease, how effective are these vaccinations, what are the side effects and so on. 07:39.518 --> 07:44.900 And according to this evidence, the STIKO should then actually make a recommendation or not. 07:44.900 --> 07:45.674 Yes. 07:45.674 --> 07:50.670 The problem, however, is that there are often no studies that actually argue for one or 07:50.670 --> 07:53.537 the other from a scientific point of view. 07:53.537 --> 07:56.531 That's the main problem. And now comes the trick... 07:56.531 --> 07:58.109 A very brief question here: 07:58.109 --> 08:09.071 Does that mean that perhaps the aspect of poisoning, for example, was not taken into account at all in this weighing-up process? 08:09.071 --> 08:18.998 First of all - I'll get to that in a moment - first of all, the question is what exactly do these studies say? 08:18.998 --> 08:21.873 But what is the level of evidence for these studies? 08:21.873 --> 08:28.404 Yes, so the first question is whether the evidence is very high, high, moderate, low or very low. 08:28.404 --> 08:32.388 In most cases, we have no studies that go beyond moderate evidence. 08:32.388 --> 08:39.481 But then it is also possible, for example, that studies that say that these symptoms we attribute to this 08:39.481 --> 08:43.000 disease may also have been triggered in other ways. 08:43.000 --> 08:48.037 So that is, I think, what you are referring to in this elaboration... 08:48.037 --> 08:55.271 So it is quite possible that we call something polio that is not polio at all. 08:55.271 --> 09:02.771 Or, if you go back to the Covid period, that we call something Covid - Covid is the disease, the coronavirus disease, the 09:02.771 --> 09:10.642 illness - that we call something Covid that is not Covid at all, but which only has the symptoms, such as a sore throat, cough, 09:10.642 --> 09:15.539 headache, fatigue or something else, which has completely different causes, but 09:15.539 --> 09:18.841 which we still call Covid. We don't know that. 09:18.841 --> 09:20.816 As a viral disease. 09:20.816 --> 09:24.091 Exactly, as this Covid disease. 09:24.091 --> 09:29.834 And the medical measures that the STIKO then recommends are supposed to be directed against this disease. 09:29.834 --> 09:36.079 And maybe that's not the case at all, because the study situation that we have, especially with Covid, we know 09:36.079 --> 09:39.435 that there is no evidence-based study situation for Covid. 09:39.435 --> 09:44.654 Neither about the disease as such, nor about the evidence of the measures. 09:44.654 --> 09:50.568 All the studies we have tend to be low or even very low. 09:50.568 --> 09:57.561 We have a single moderate study, which is the subject of the STIKO recommendation, which 09:57.561 --> 10:01.966 deals with efficacy. And that is simply not enough. 10:01.966 --> 10:07.207 And normally the STIKO says that these are the so-called Standard Operating Procedures , yes. 10:07.207 --> 10:12.497 These are established, global procedures or global standards that are observed when 10:12.497 --> 10:17.771 classifying diseases and the effectiveness of medicines. 10:17.771 --> 10:21.193 They should actually always be at least moderate. But we don't have any. 10:21.193 --> 10:26.421 And that may be the case with polio, I don't know exactly now, but you would have to look into 10:26.421 --> 10:29.263 the study situation that the STIKO has in general. 10:29.263 --> 10:34.998 And we may not even have any studies that go beyond moderate. 10:34.998 --> 10:42.893 And then - and here comes the trick, namely that if we don't have the medical situation, the STIKO doesn't 10:42.893 --> 10:49.466 just decide on medical-scientific grounds, but then comes a so-called Decide Board . 10:49.466 --> 10:54.802 And this Decide Board then tends to say: How well can we put this on the market? 10:54.802 --> 10:58.623 How acceptable will it be to people? Will there be resistance from doctors? 10:58.623 --> 11:02.115 Will there be resistance from pharmacies? And so on. 11:02.115 --> 11:04.021 How inexpensive are these drugs and so on. 11:04.021 --> 11:10.146 And then suddenly the scientific decision becomes a political decision. Like this. And that's when... 11:10.146 --> 11:12.440 And a commercial decision. 11:12.440 --> 11:14.320 Yes, it's been a commercial decision all along. 11:14.320 --> 11:17.857 It is then a political decision, which is of course often made for commercial reasons. 11:17.857 --> 11:21.341 Then, of course, we have the lobbyists who advise politicians accordingly. 11:21.341 --> 11:24.294 We have the lobbyists who advise the RKI and so on. 11:24.294 --> 11:32.989 And suddenly something becomes a recommendation by STIKO, without us being told that the medical evidence that would actually be 11:32.989 --> 11:41.880 required does not exist at all, but that the decision was simply made on political grounds, despite the lack of medical evidence. 11:41.880 --> 11:47.103 This is the situation we actually have, and every person who has a STIKO recommendation must know 11:47.103 --> 11:49.963 that this is not what the STIKO recommendation says: 11:49.963 --> 11:57.088 We have scientific evidence here that says this disease is well researched and the effectiveness of the drugs is well 11:57.088 --> 12:04.784 researched, and the harmfulness of the drugs, side effects are well researched, but that is possibly not the case at all. 12:04.784 --> 12:08.306 Rather, it is simply a political decision to say that we are going to put it on the market anyway. 12:08.306 --> 12:12.274 And with a recommendation and with a STIKO recommendation, we naturally have the 12:12.274 --> 12:14.807 situation that a drug sells better than without. 12:14.807 --> 12:23.534 That is really brutal. The focus is no longer on the well-being of the people, but on completely different interests. 12:23.534 --> 12:29.651 Mr. Ludwig, I do not just want to stay on the subject of polio, but zoom out a little further. 12:29.651 --> 12:40.221 For example, the physician Dr Stefan Lanker also focuses on the psyche. 12:40.221 --> 12:48.573 That a person's psyche is also important for their subjective perception, but also for symptoms that the body also develops. 12:48.573 --> 12:57.019 Another study from 1984, which highlights both the psyche and diet, that diet does have an impact - 12:57.019 --> 13:01.471 including what symptoms a body may also develop. 13:01.471 --> 13:08.323 And it also describes, for example, that toxins, environmental toxins, can affect the psyche. 13:08.323 --> 13:16.424 Suddenly, I am depressed or nervous or something else, which in turn often has an effect on the body. 13:16.424 --> 13:28.799 So there are many factors that ultimately affect or co-determine the symptoms that the body develops, let us put it that way. 13:28.799 --> 13:36.792 So it is not always so clear, as they say, that it is the virus that causes the disease, as is the 13:36.792 --> 13:41.377 case with Covid-19, but it can be many other things. 13:41.377 --> 13:50.025 Professor Bhakdi says the same thing about the liver disease hepatitis, for example, which is often caused by medication, 13:50.025 --> 13:58.029 perhaps even drug abuse, alcohol consumption, all of these things, and not just a liver virus that is now making 13:58.029 --> 14:02.612 the liver sick. And that is why I am going to list that. 14:02.612 --> 14:07.627 The fact is, we now have the fresh WHO pandemic treaty. 14:07.627 --> 14:12.729 Then just the International Health Regulations - also initiated by the WHO. 14:12.729 --> 14:20.749 In principle, we have practically already been taught this: Dear people, we are entering an age of constant pandemics, 14:20.749 --> 14:24.901 there is no getting around it. It is all connected globally. 14:24.901 --> 14:31.068 And if a case of - I don't know what - occurs in Africa, then we have to start vaccinating here, prophylactically and so on. 14:31.068 --> 14:43.218 But if all these connections, which simply make up such physical symptoms, are still so completely multifaceted, still 14:43.218 --> 14:54.072 unexplained, then we as citizens, under the, I'll say ZAAVV, which arose during the time of the corona pandemic 14:54.072 --> 15:00.665 panic, then we have to look at how can we prevent such crimes. 15:00.665 --> 15:07.415 Crimes against humanity, being again subject to restrictions, being forcibly medicated, being perhaps forcibly sent to hospital, 15:07.415 --> 15:10.994 as has happened on a large scale in Italy and other countries. 15:10.994 --> 15:16.156 You've been tested somehow then - you have Covid-19, and now you have to go to hospital. 15:16.156 --> 15:22.939 You have to be isolated and so on. Then be forcibly medicated, forcibly ventilated, people died like flies. 15:22.939 --> 15:26.408 These are all such things, these are brutal crimes. 15:26.408 --> 15:33.111 And if something like this is just around the corner, virtually through the WHO, which is announcing it: 15:33.111 --> 15:38.650 We are now entering an age of pandemics. We need to prepare for it. 15:38.650 --> 15:43.184 How can citizens defend themselves? What can you do? 15:43.184 --> 15:48.134 First of all, as citizens we are free people. 15:48.134 --> 15:52.697 We are free people, we can take care of ourselves first. 15:52.697 --> 16:00.725 And I believe that the WHO and this pandemic narrative that we have now is of course a 16:00.725 --> 16:05.884 marketing tool for the pharmaceutical industry. 16:05.884 --> 16:12.093 And you only have to look at who is essentially financing the WHO and who is investing in the WHO... 16:12.093 --> 16:13.017 Then who is that? 16:13.017 --> 16:17.939 Yes, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, among others, pays a relatively large amount of money. 16:17.939 --> 16:25.040 So the more states withdraw from financing the WHO, the more it will be privately financed. 16:25.040 --> 16:35.585 In other words, the private sector, the pharmaceutical industry, the pharmaceutical companies and the upstream organizations they 16:35.585 --> 16:45.691 set up are naturally interested in ensuring that organizations such as the WHO, the STIKO, the European medical authorities, the 16:45.691 --> 16:54.376 American medical authorities and so on always focus their recommendations and their views on a pharmacological 16:54.376 --> 17:03.845 solution - and less on what you just said, on a nutritional solution and possibly also on psychological solutions. 17:03.845 --> 17:06.281 That is precisely the cultural war that is taking place in America. 17:06.281 --> 17:15.286 Incidentally, we also have a lawyer there, Robert Kennedy Junior, who is the US Secretary of Health and Human Services, who founded 17:15.286 --> 17:21.816 the MAHA movement, the Make America Healthy Again movement, which played a major role in Donald 17:21.816 --> 17:25.328 Trump being elected president in the first place. 17:25.328 --> 17:32.936 Because this MAHA movement around Robert Kennedy actually comes from the Democratic spectrum, that is, the Democratic Party, 17:32.936 --> 17:40.673 and in the swing states it has ensured that the corresponding votes have gone to Trump, so that Trump won these swing states. 17:40.673 --> 17:41.946 When Republicans won. 17:41.946 --> 17:43.532 When a Republican won, exactly. 17:43.532 --> 17:51.663 And I know a lot of people from this MAHA movement, this Make America Healthy Again movement. That's exactly what it's about. 17:51.663 --> 17:58.725 They say we only ever look when symptoms are already present, when a disease has broken 17:58.725 --> 18:02.060 out, how can we then treat it with medication? 18:02.060 --> 18:07.100 That's clear, if I were a pharmaceutical representative, that would also be my point of view. 18:07.100 --> 18:11.186 My point of view would not be: Do we have healthy people? 18:11.186 --> 18:17.952 But my point of view would be: How could I keep people so sick that we end up making money from them? 18:17.952 --> 18:21.199 Because the pharmaceutical industry does not make money from healthy people. 18:21.199 --> 18:29.283 So it's not about having the best possible healthcare, as the international social pact says, but 18:29.283 --> 18:34.710 about making the best possible profit from healthcare. 18:34.710 --> 18:39.890 And people will probably say again that Ludwig, who says this in the interview, is a conspiracy theorist... 18:39.890 --> 18:45.763 But that's how our world works. We live in a capitalist world, and in this capitalist world everything is profit-oriented. 18:45.763 --> 18:46.210 Yes. 18:46.210 --> 18:50.668 That is, if you belong to the pharmaceutical industry, you would consider: 18:50.668 --> 18:57.796 How can we manage to sell our products to men and women in such a way that we make a profit from them? 18:57.796 --> 19:04.255 When it came to banning smoking, the tobacco industry immediately set up institutes to find out 19:04.255 --> 19:08.491 that tobacco smoke is not so dangerous after all. 19:08.491 --> 19:13.116 And of course it also founded institutes that researched lung cancer and so on. 19:13.116 --> 19:18.435 That is absolutely clear. First of all, this is a completely normal, logical measure taken by the industry. 19:18.435 --> 19:27.208 And that means that the pharmaceutical industry has an interest in dominating the WHO, and the pharmaceutical industry does not 19:27.208 --> 19:35.497 have an interest in preventing pandemics, but has an interest in ensuring that pandemics occur so that the corresponding 19:35.497 --> 19:43.780 drugs, which have already been patented and produced - or prepared for production - can be brought on to the market. 19:43.780 --> 19:46.945 We experienced this with swine flu, we have now experienced it with corona. 19:46.945 --> 19:48.835 And, as I said, you can see this counter-movement. 19:48.835 --> 19:50.460 They wanted to know what can be done about it. 19:50.460 --> 19:54.671 So in America there is now this counter-movement, Make-America-Healthy-Again. 19:54.671 --> 19:56.835 They have exactly two starting points. 19:56.835 --> 20:02.772 Point one is that the Kennedy actually says that although we in America are the richest industrialized nation in the 20:02.772 --> 20:06.153 world, we have the lowest life expectancy compared to others. 20:06.153 --> 20:08.171 Why is that? It can't really be. 20:08.171 --> 20:11.360 We are a prosperous country and have a low life expectancy. 20:11.360 --> 20:14.343 And then he looks and says: What is the nutrition program like in the USA? 20:14.343 --> 20:20.318 And then, of course, you see a lot of fast food, a lot of unhealthy food, a lot of convenience food, a lot of artificial 20:20.318 --> 20:23.262 food that is now being developed and so on. And he says... 20:23.262 --> 20:24.326 Environmental toxins... 20:24.326 --> 20:28.209 Environmental toxins, lots of things, lots of drugs, that's where it starts. At the 20:28.209 --> 20:30.750 moment this opiate crisis in the USA and so on. 20:30.750 --> 20:34.950 So in the USA, an incredible amount of medication... - the drinking water is not clean 20:34.950 --> 20:37.633 because there are also drug residues and so on. 20:37.633 --> 20:40.390 In other words, he approaches it from precisely this point and says: 20:40.390 --> 20:46.094 "We have to improve nutrition, we have to make sure that people eat healthier things. 20:46.094 --> 20:52.555 And we must ensure that environmental toxins are reduced." That is precisely the approach. 20:52.555 --> 20:58.100 And then we have to see if what the pharmaceutical industry is saying is true - that's the next step... 20:58.100 --> 21:01.412 He completely replaced this standing vaccination commission and said: 21:01.412 --> 21:06.797 "Your task now is to actually check whether all the recommendations that exist are necessary or not. 21:06.797 --> 21:10.140 And now actually take a look at the studies for evidence." 21:10.140 --> 21:14.193 There was a great outcry worldwide, especially here in Germany of course, because it is clear... 21:14.193 --> 21:20.991 Well, I can tell you that we have checked this for corona, and we have no evidence from studies with corona! 21:20.991 --> 21:25.398 Nevertheless, we have a recommendation. Yes, we have a recommendation for vaccination without 21:25.398 --> 21:27.078 evidence from studies. And most certainly the... 21:27.078 --> 21:30.226 And with all the serious side effects and the many deaths. 21:30.226 --> 21:32.720 Exactly! And it will certainly be the same with the other vaccinations. 21:32.720 --> 21:36.445 And now Robert Kennedy is having it checked. And suddenly there's a huge outcry. 21:36.445 --> 21:39.375 Why? Who is making this outcry and who is organizing this outcry? 21:39.375 --> 21:44.181 Of course, the media also make an incredible living from this financing from the pharmaceutical industry, from 21:44.181 --> 21:46.633 the advertising, from the money that is poured into it. 21:46.633 --> 21:51.160 Bill Gates, here we are again with Bill Gates, has paid several million to "Der Spiegel", for example. 21:51.160 --> 21:55.688 This means that "Der Spiegel" and the newspapers, which have less and less money, also live 21:55.688 --> 21:58.580 strongly from the support of the pharmaceutical industry. 21:58.580 --> 22:02.420 So, of course, they also broadcast the corresponding news. And that is the point. 22:02.420 --> 22:10.406 So first of all, pay attention to our existing political system: Who are actually those who oppose it? 22:10.406 --> 22:15.847 And there is a relatively strong, large counter-movement coming from America, and they have founded 22:15.847 --> 22:18.945 this MAHA, this Make America Healthy Again movement. 22:18.945 --> 22:21.053 There's nothing to be said against doing the same in Germany. 22:21.053 --> 22:27.500 And we at ZAAVV are also quite prepared to support precisely these points as an organization. 22:27.500 --> 22:29.600 We already work closely with the MAHA movement. 22:29.600 --> 22:33.047 We know the people, we have already exchanged ideas, we have already met. 22:33.047 --> 22:41.231 We also need to make sure that we say: We demand evidence-based studies, we demand that medication in 22:41.231 --> 22:50.027 particular is only administered if we actually have studies that have at least a high level of evidence. 22:50.027 --> 22:53.695 So moderate is still possible, but high is better. 22:53.695 --> 22:57.672 And then something will change - many drugs will no longer be approved. 22:57.672 --> 22:59.656 And then, of course, people have to defend themselves. 22:59.656 --> 23:05.031 So point one, what you said, everyone has to pay attention to how they eat. 23:05.031 --> 23:09.202 In other words, you have to look at how you can possibly make sure that you eat more 23:09.202 --> 23:11.617 regionally, that you support your regional farmers. 23:11.617 --> 23:18.171 They have just taken to the streets against this central policy, in favour of eating regional food, 23:18.171 --> 23:22.226 eating healthy food, paying attention to a mixed diet. 23:22.226 --> 23:28.760 That's primarily an individual matter. And then, when these state measures come, you have to resist. 23:28.760 --> 23:32.765 We have to take to the streets again. Then you have to say: No, I won't go along with that. 23:32.765 --> 23:35.289 And then counter it accordingly. 23:35.289 --> 23:43.617 Hmm. As a human being, you also said: I have my individual human rights, they are non-negotiable and I insist on them! 23:43.617 --> 23:53.520 And I don't have to follow this forced medication or whatever it may be, I don't have to follow it at all. 23:53.520 --> 23:56.264 Yes, as we can see, the consequence happens automatically. 23:56.264 --> 24:04.549 So we see, for example, that there are unbelievably big problems in the area of junior staff, in the area of junior medical 24:04.549 --> 24:08.859 staff, due to this facility-based vaccination requirement. 24:08.859 --> 24:11.166 Yes, that is of course also a reaction to it. 24:11.166 --> 24:14.440 So maybe nobody says anything and people don't take to the streets. 24:14.440 --> 24:19.554 But a lot of young people are no longer choosing this medical profession because there is always this sword of Damocles 24:19.554 --> 24:23.765 hovering over this medical profession, saying that now it's the next pandemic, now you have to get 24:23.765 --> 24:27.961 vaccinated again with a substance like this and take a substance and medication like this. 24:27.961 --> 24:30.461 And of course they don't want that either. They are also body-conscious. 24:30.461 --> 24:31.751 Yes, sure. 24:31.751 --> 24:35.900 And then you just have to say "No!" and say: "Stop, I won't do that!" 24:35.900 --> 24:39.897 And when in doubt, you have to say: "Then I'll leave this job." 24:39.897 --> 24:41.960 Of course, this is also an individual decision. 24:41.960 --> 24:45.391 But I know that many people did that during the coronavirus pandemic too. 24:45.391 --> 24:49.756 And especially those who have consciously left the profession, they won't go back. They don't want to. 24:49.756 --> 24:57.743 And that means that we have - this is a huge problem in Germany, and there is no discussion about it - an incredible 24:57.743 --> 25:01.839 gap in the medical professions that are not being filled. 25:01.839 --> 25:03.830 Yes, a huge shortage of staff. 25:03.830 --> 25:05.634 Exactly. 25:05.634 --> 25:11.264 Okay, now there is also this Vetopedia. 25:11.264 --> 25:21.272 Have you witnessed vaccine damage? Register it on Vetopedia, the free encyclopedia of dissenting voices: www.vetopedia.org 25:21.272 --> 25:29.185 This platform, this database, where you can enter your vaccination injuries during the corona 25:29.185 --> 25:33.701 period, for example - or other vaccination injuries. 25:33.701 --> 25:37.730 But especially during the corona period, a large number of vaccine injuries occurred, 25:37.730 --> 25:40.208 including fatal ones - many of them can then be... 25:40.208 --> 25:46.459 Relatives can also enter this vaccination damage there. 25:46.459 --> 25:55.190 Isn't that also an important tool, I would say, from a legal point of view, from a forensic point 25:55.190 --> 26:00.476 of view, in order to have leverage there as well: 26:00.476 --> 26:08.060 Coercive measures were not good back then, and we never want to go back to having something simply imposed on us 26:08.060 --> 26:12.842 in future pandemics - with such horrendous consequences. 26:12.842 --> 26:16.678 Isn't this an important tool for lawyers too, I say? 26:16.678 --> 26:21.701 Yes, that is also an experience we have from this pandemic period. 26:21.701 --> 26:24.225 This is actually a time of pandemic measures. 26:24.225 --> 26:31.147 And what we are now also seeing - especially through people like Tom Lausen - in the committees of inquiry: 26:31.147 --> 26:35.022 The authorities actually responsible did not do their job. 26:35.022 --> 26:38.990 The Paul Ehrlich Institute did not collect the data as it should have. 26:38.990 --> 26:41.404 No warning messages were sent out. 26:41.404 --> 26:45.932 The health insurance companies... - actually everyone, I mean, the signs were red everywhere, the 26:45.932 --> 26:48.225 alarm bells should have been ringing everywhere. 26:48.225 --> 26:54.819 I mean, at the Paul Ehrlich Institute we learned in the committee of inquiry in Brandenburg that the Paul Ehrlich Institute 26:54.819 --> 27:01.148 didn't even have enough server capacity available to accommodate all the reports that came in about side effects. 27:01.148 --> 27:01.624 Crass. 27:01.624 --> 27:07.162 This means that the assertion that we do not have that many side effects results from the fact that the side effects that have been 27:07.162 --> 27:10.501 reported have not been recorded and have not been documented. 27:10.501 --> 27:15.219 What I don't see, I don't have. And Tom Lausen has done a very good job of that. 27:15.219 --> 27:24.158 And that means that we can only get to the actual numbers that have happened as a result of this vaccination through modeling. 27:24.158 --> 27:30.101 And then of course it's good when there are private initiatives that do exactly these things, so that it at 27:30.101 --> 27:33.440 least becomes obvious that there are many, many more cases. 27:33.440 --> 27:39.177 So if a public authority, which is more or less equipped with infinite resources, is not in a position to record this, 27:39.177 --> 27:42.148 and then a private initiative does it, and you suddenly see: 27:42.148 --> 27:46.150 Oh my God, how many reports do we actually have here and what actually happened? 27:46.150 --> 27:48.767 Then you at least have an initial look at it. 27:48.767 --> 27:54.734 And then at some point the leading media, the mainstream media, will no longer be able 27:54.734 --> 27:57.931 to work against it or hide what has happened. 27:57.931 --> 28:02.837 That is also very important experience that we have gained during this time. 28:02.837 --> 28:06.376 We have to bring all these things out of the darkness and into the light. 28:06.376 --> 28:08.580 So your question was, what can people do? 28:08.580 --> 28:12.940 For example, you can set up such initiatives. You can register there yourself. 28:12.940 --> 28:19.200 You can also provide your information to the ZAAVV to show this: Just because you don't record it as 28:19.200 --> 28:22.634 authorities that are responsible, we are doing it. 28:22.634 --> 28:27.991 That you also urge your doctor to say: This is a vaccine injury and I'm telling you to report it to 28:27.991 --> 28:30.703 the health insurance company as a vaccine injury! 28:30.703 --> 28:33.572 Because many doctors don't do that. Patients simply have to insist on it. 28:33.572 --> 28:39.095 The doctor is obliged to do so. If it could be vaccine damage, he must report it. 28:39.095 --> 28:44.996 Things like that, insist on having them reported, report them to your health insurance company or, if in doubt, go to a 28:44.996 --> 28:49.540 portal like this and report it on the portal so that we can see that something has actually happened here. 28:49.540 --> 28:52.392 And you can see that the political wind is changing. 28:52.392 --> 29:00.525 Due to the strength of the AfD, for example, or the BSW - in eastern Germany we now have more than this 25 percent everywhere, 29:00.525 --> 29:06.528 so that committees of inquiry or enquete commissions can be set up everywhere, which at least 29:06.528 --> 29:10.220 serve to ensure that these things are made public. 29:10.220 --> 29:12.728 And you just have to report and keep on exerting pressure. 29:12.728 --> 29:23.813 Yes, and that's just the way I feel, that right now is a good time, in this time after Corona, to simply push for such 29:23.813 --> 29:35.120 a reappraisal or a review of things, to work towards it, especially to prevent, to stop further crimes, right? 29:35.120 --> 29:39.853 Yes, exactly. It's essentially about prevention. We have to learn what happened. 29:39.853 --> 29:46.384 I can only recommend that you take a look at... - this is online, the videos of the Enquete Commission in Brandenburg. 29:46.384 --> 29:52.729 In Brandenburg, the state parliament has a commission of inquiry to reappraise the coronavirus era. 29:52.729 --> 29:58.173 An enquete commission - unlike a committee of inquiry - always means that an enquete commission only looks to the future. 29:58.173 --> 30:00.173 In other words, you just look at this: What can we do better? 30:00.173 --> 30:05.996 But the Enquete Commission in Brandenburg in particular is designed in such a way, due to the political 30:05.996 --> 30:12.580 circumstances there, that there are many, many critical experts and many, many critical experts who have their say. 30:12.580 --> 30:13.406 Interesting. 30:13.406 --> 30:19.087 For example, there is Gerd Antes, there was Stefan Homburg, there is Tom Lausen. So there are many, many of them. 30:19.087 --> 30:28.011 For example, the AfD parliamentary group's scientific advisor is Stephan Kohn, who worked here in the Federal Ministry of the 30:28.011 --> 30:32.471 Interior, then leaked this shock paper and was dismissed for it. 30:32.471 --> 30:34.916 He is now involved in the reappraisal in Brandenburg, so to speak. 30:34.916 --> 30:41.909 This gives us a great deal of information about what has happened and then points us into the future. 30:41.909 --> 30:49.642 And that's exactly where the starting points are, so that people - we are involved in educating them - that we first of all know: 30:49.642 --> 30:53.760 What happened and how did it happen and what is the reality? 30:53.760 --> 31:01.292 And Wolfgang Wodarg, Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, said in one of his very first videos, perhaps it was even his first video, at the 31:01.292 --> 31:07.600 beginning of this corona period - that's how I became aware that something was going wrong - that if we 31:07.600 --> 31:13.362 really have a pandemic, then we'll see dead people on the street. Then everyone will know... 31:13.362 --> 31:14.221 ...it's a pandemic. 31:14.221 --> 31:15.700 It's a pandemic, people are dying. 31:15.700 --> 31:16.955 And not a paper pandemic. 31:16.955 --> 31:25.215 Exactly. And now we see that when we go out on the street, we hardly find anyone who can tell us: 31:25.215 --> 31:30.024 Oh, I have an acquaintance who died of corona. That hardly ever happens. 31:30.024 --> 31:36.084 So nobody, because we also see that the median age of those who died of corona or died of and with 31:36.084 --> 31:40.260 corona is 84 - i.e. above the life expectancy we have. 31:40.260 --> 31:42.754 But everyone knows someone who has vaccine damage. 31:42.754 --> 31:47.398 Everyone knows someone who has suffered as a result of vaccination, who has had damage as a result 31:47.398 --> 31:51.527 of vaccination - strokes, heart attacks, heart disease, myocarditis, deaths and so on. 31:51.527 --> 31:57.550 In other words, the actual pandemic that we have was the side effects of the vaccination. 31:57.550 --> 32:02.740 Well, I also experience this with people who were less lateral thinkers or critical. 32:02.740 --> 32:10.925 But when I talk to people today - of course they often wouldn't admit it in public, but when you talk to them, they all say it: 32:10.925 --> 32:16.415 I know someone or I've experienced it myself, I'm feeling bad myself, since I've had this vaccination I'm constantly ill, 32:16.415 --> 32:19.144 I constantly have problems and so on. And that's the point. 32:19.144 --> 32:21.824 And that's where people have to... - I think that's the learning we have. 32:21.824 --> 32:26.381 And if it becomes clearer to them through such portals, which are then also used for the future, that there are 32:26.381 --> 32:30.575 side effects here, then people will become more critical and are more likely to say no and speak out: 32:30.575 --> 32:34.288 I won't do that again, I won't do that to myself and my body again! 32:34.288 --> 32:42.762 Yes, I understand. To summarize it: All in all, it's basically about raising awareness. 32:42.762 --> 32:48.380 It's not about our health, it's about a business model of the pharmaceutical industry. 32:48.380 --> 32:51.942 There is a pandemic industry behind it in principle. 32:51.942 --> 32:56.611 The companies are not interested in us being healthy, they only live off the sick, in 32:56.611 --> 32:59.913 principle, if I have understood it correctly. 32:59.913 --> 33:02.137 Yes, of course, so we know that too. 33:02.137 --> 33:10.200 So even with normal doctors, the time that the doctor takes for the patient is relatively short. 33:10.200 --> 33:14.004 I think it actually averages a few seconds. 33:14.004 --> 33:19.420 Doctors are then often provided with computer programs by the pharmaceutical industry, which they use. 33:19.420 --> 33:25.117 The medicine that pops up is always the one from the manufacturer that financed or co-financed this 33:25.117 --> 33:29.129 computer program or the equipment in the doctor's surgery. 33:29.129 --> 33:31.129 It's all about money, of course it's about money. 33:31.129 --> 33:36.200 Everything that happens in our medical field is first and foremost about money. 33:36.200 --> 33:39.880 Of course, I would say that healthcare is a side effect. 33:39.880 --> 33:44.403 And I am not someone who criticizes or opposes conventional medicine. 33:44.403 --> 33:51.174 We need conventional medicine, and in the surgical field in particular we naturally also have modern, good 33:51.174 --> 33:55.253 medicine that is scientifically sound and does good work. 33:55.253 --> 34:02.706 But many areas or many things, for example in oncology, all these measures that are being taken against cancer, are of 34:02.706 --> 34:09.408 course measures that are essentially borne by the hospitals, which are responsible for the medical field. 34:09.408 --> 34:11.715 And there is simply an incredible amount of money involved. 34:11.715 --> 34:17.770 And for me it's completely logical to say: Why am I only thinking about which drug I'm putting 34:17.770 --> 34:21.018 into my body and not thinking about how I'm eating? 34:21.018 --> 34:26.582 Because the oral intake of nutrients is one of the most important things of all. 34:26.582 --> 34:32.887 For example, there is always this vitamin D discussion, which is now becoming more and more mainstream. 34:32.887 --> 34:39.687 This means that it is becoming clearer that vitamin D or vitamin D supplementation is essential to prevent disease. 34:39.687 --> 34:47.900 But vitamin D is of course cheap to obtain and is therefore not a business model for the pharmaceutical industry. 34:47.900 --> 34:53.114 And that's why many of the insights we have are naturally withheld. 34:53.114 --> 34:59.739 But of course, it's a global trillion-dollar industry, the medical industry. 34:59.739 --> 35:02.817 And of course you recommend masks if you want to sell masks. 35:02.817 --> 35:10.153 And of course you then support studies that say that an FFP2 mask, which is actually a dust mask, protects against a virus. 35:10.153 --> 35:17.289 And of course you don't take the inexpensive drugs that are on the market if you can get an expensive 35:17.289 --> 35:21.817 development financed by the state - and then without liability. 35:21.817 --> 35:24.081 Ultimately, we are the state, we pay for it with our tax money. 35:24.081 --> 35:25.254 Exactly. 35:25.254 --> 35:29.043 But as you basically said at the beginning, everyone is responsible for themselves. 35:29.043 --> 35:32.832 And as a lawyer, I can't really do much about that, as you mentioned. 35:32.832 --> 35:38.611 I can only say that the human rights situation actually prohibits this approach, this 35:38.611 --> 35:41.387 forced medication, forced therapy and so on. 35:41.387 --> 35:48.059 But if the courts simply wave it through, as we have experienced here, then it is of course difficult. 35:48.059 --> 35:52.981 And then you are left to your own devices. And when in doubt, you have to clearly say no and say, I won't go along with this. 35:52.981 --> 36:00.090 Just like it says on your T-shirt: Freedom begins with No. For me, it means human rights first. 36:00.090 --> 36:09.272 And the other thing is to prevent crime - I think also through education, by educating 36:09.272 --> 36:15.450 yourself, informing yourself and also informing others. 36:15.450 --> 36:20.098 Great. Thank you for this interview. It was very enlightening. 36:20.098 --> 36:24.434 In other words, things are never as bad as they seem. 36:24.434 --> 36:38.801 Corona has warned us, shaken us up. And we don't need to subject ourselves to all these pandemic fireworks. 36:38.801 --> 36:41.520 Exactly. Thank you for letting me come!