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Uwe Kranz ke lepolesa, moeletsi e moholo wa lekala ya
seng a tlohetse mosebetsi, le mopresidente wa mehleng wa

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Ofisi ya Sepolesa sa Botlokotsebe ya Naha ya Thuringia.

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E ne e le setsebi sa naha ho Europol.

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E le setsebi sa litaba tsa tšireletso le bokhukhuni, o
atisa ho phatlalatsa lingoloa mecheng e mengata ea phatlalatso.

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Uwe Kranz o qetile lilemo tse fetang 50 a loantša
botlokotsebe bo hlophisehileng, bofetohedi le bokhukhuni.

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Nakong eo a neng a le ofising, o ne a
ikemiseditse haholo ho sireletsa bana.

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Sena se hlaka ha o sheba makala a mosebetsi wa hae wa botsebi:

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E ne e le moemeli litabeng tsa bacha, thibelong ea botlokotsebe,
ntoeng khahlanong le tlhekefetso ea thobalano ho bana le khoebong

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ea batho le litho tsa 'mele maemong a naha le machaba, 'me o
ne a le karolo mosebetsing oa mokhatlo oa leano la botlokotsebe.

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Webosaeteng ea hae, Uwe Kranz o phatlalatsa
lingoloa ka lihlooho tse kang "tlhekefetso

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ea thobalano ea bana" le "taolo ea kelello".

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E le mophethisi oa botlokotsebe, o fana ka
temohisiso ka "mmuso o tebileng" mme o shebella

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liketsahalo tsa lefatše tsa hajoale a le phomolong ea hae.

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O boetse o kenya letsoho ka boiphihlelo le tsebo ea hae e le
setho le sebui likopanong tsa boralitaba tse hlophisitsoeng ke

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mekhatlo e tsebahalang joalo ka Axion Resist le
MWGFD e.V. (Litsebi tsa Bongaka le Bo-ramahlale

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bakeng sa Bophelo bo Botle, Tokoloho le Demokerasi).

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Tsena di thehilwe ka sepheo sa ho sireletsa
boiketlo ba bana le ho baballa tokoloho le puso ya molao.

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Mona, o ile a bua ka ditaba tse kenyeletsang tlolo ya molao ya
bonyatsi ba bana, ho qala thobalano kapele le kgwebo ya bana.

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Ke tlotla e kgethehileng ho nna ho amohela
mmatlisisi enwa ya ditlolo tsa molao ya nang le

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boiphihlelo, Uwe Kranz, mona kopanong ya bo22 ya AZK.

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Tlhompho eohle ke ea ka.

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Ke monate ho ba le wena mona.

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E, o na le boiphihlelo ba dilemo tse mashome a
mahlano ba dipatlisiso tsa botlokotsebe ntweng

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kgahlanong le tlhekefetso ya thobalano ya bana.

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Joaloka lepolesa, esita le joaloka moeletsi e moholo oa
mosebeletsi oa mmuso le hlooho ea Lefapha la

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Lipatlisiso tsa Botlokotsebe la Thuringia,
o ne o le ka pele-pele lipatlisisong tsena.

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Seo se bolela hore linyeoe li ile tsa tlalehoa ho uena,
eaba u li fuputsa. Empa ho ile ha etsahala'ng ka mor'a moo?

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Bothata ke hore bopaki bo tlameha ho hlahisoa pele e le hore
nyeoe e ka fetisetsoa ofising ea mochochisi oa

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sechaba, moo e tla amoheloa le ho lokisoa bocha
hore e be qoso e tla hlahisoa ka pel'a lekhotla.

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Mme ka bomadimabe, ho na le ditimelo tse ngata haholo tseleng.

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Ho a ferekanya ha o tshwara motho
hoseng ebe o kopana le yena hape thapama.

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– Ke bontšitse sena ka mohlala: ho
tšoaroa hoseng, ho lokolloa motšehare.

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Ka mohlala, hangata re kopana le bothata ba
hore mapolesa a fihla hangata sebakeng sa

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polao ebe a qala ho etsa dipatlisiso ka polao eo.

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Mme yaba, tseleng e eang ofising ya mochochisi wa
setjhaba, polao e fetoha kotsi ya mmele e bakang lefu.

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Ebe, tlas'a maemo a itseng, o ka iphumana o le
maemong a fapaneng ka ho feletseng a molao le

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a nang le mathata a fapaneng ka ho feletseng.

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Kapa ha, jwaloka ketsahalong ya haufinyane, bafepi ba entseng
peto ya sehlopha ba tswa ka kgotlatshekelo ba ntse ba

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fofola ka thabo hobane moahlodi ha a na bonnete bo
phethahetseng ba hore mohlankana a kanna yaba o ne a dumetse.

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Ke moo taba eohle e qalang ho belaetsa hanyane.

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Mme ho na le menyetla e mengata haholo ya ho
emisa ditshebetso kapa ho di fetola hore e be

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kamohelo ya sepetlele sa kelello, jwalo-jwalo.

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Kahoo ho na le qabang kae-kae
khoebong, mme ka bomalimabe ho jwalo.

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Mibabelo ena e tlameha ho tšoaroa ka hloko le ka botebo.

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O na le tokelo e feletseng ya ho tshwarwa
hantle ke mapolesa le tsamaiso ya toka.

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Kea leboha ka polelo ea hau. U boetse u bua ka seo ho thoeng ke
"molato oa bosebeletsi ba bana" le likamano

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tseo ho thoeng li fihla ho "batho ba maemo a
holimo". U hlokometse eng mabapi le taba ee?

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E, kahoo ha re nke tse latelang: Kamehla ke
kenyeletsa nyeoe ea Dutroux lipuong tsa ka tsa PowerPoint.

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Ka sebele o tloaelane le nyeoe ea Dutroux.

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Mohlahlathetsi oa bana oa Belgium ea
bolaeang bana ba leshome le motso o mong mme a

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bolaisa ba babeli ka tlala ha a le chankaneng.

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Hobane ha a ka a senola letho ha a le chankaneng, mme
bana ba shoa ke tlala. Ke taba e tshabehang kannete.

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Letoto lohle la lipaki le bile likotsing kapa le
hlokahetse ka maemo a belaetsang, kapa eng kapa eng.

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Mme nyeoe ea Dutroux e se e pakile hore maemo ohle a sechaba
a ne a kenelletswe mekgatlong ena ya tlhekefetso ya bana.

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Kahoo sena se ile sa fihla sehlohlolong sa lipolotiki,
sehlohlolong sa setso, thelevisheneng le mecheng ea phatlalatso.

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Mokhoa ona o ne o tšoana le bothata ba mantlha.

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Hore na ke Epstein kapa che, ke ntho e tšoanang hantle.

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Ho Epstein's, ba boetse ba na le likamano tse fihlang holimo-limo
lipolotiking, khoebong ea boithabiso, ho

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bachochisi – ke mang ea tsebang hore na ke eng hape –
ho liofisiri tse phahameng le bo-ralipolotiki.

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Ba entse se tšoanang le "Diddy" Sean Combs, eo le
eena a tsebahalang haholo. Hona joale o qetile

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lilemo tse 'ne le likhoeli tse peli a le chankaneng.

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Ha e le hantle, ena ke nyatso e se nang kotsi, hobane karolo
eohle ea botlokotsebe bo hlophisitsoeng e mpa e tlositsoe feela.

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Ho ne ho thwe re tla tlohela nyeoe mme re mo
ahlolele feela ketsahalo e le nngwe ya

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tlhekefetso kgahlanong le kgarebe kapa mosadi wa hae.

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Mme ka mora moo, tshebetso yohle e
ile ya fokotswa ho ba karolo e nyane.

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Maemong a mangata, mekgwa e jwalo e arolwa ka boomo.

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Ka 1995, re bile le nyeoe e kholo Engelane. E ne e boetse
e phatlalalitsoe ke libanka, boradipolotiki, mecha ea

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phatlalatso, bo-rakhoebo ba baholo le mang kapa mang e mong.

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Ha dilemo di ntse di feta, tshebetso e ile ya nna e
nyane, ho fihlela qetellong ho se ho se letho le setseng.

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Qetellong, tsena e ne e le litaba tse nyane – li aroloa-aroloa
'me li senoloa likotoana tse nyenyane, ha re

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ka rialo, likotoana tse nyenyane tsa molao,
'me ka mor'a moo ha ho sa sala letho le leholo.

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Sena ka tlhaho se hlahisa pelaelo ea hore ho
na le tšusumetso e sebelisoang mona. Seo

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se ke ke sa itšehloa ka lehlakoreng habonolo.

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Na le lona le hlokometse molao-motheo ona
sebakeng sa lona, jwalo ka ha ho se ho ntse ho

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etsahetse ka Epstein, Dutroux, P. Diddy jwalo-jwalo?

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Melao-motheo e tšoana hohle, ho sa tsotellehe naha.

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Le lokela ho nahana hore tlhekefetso ena ea
thobalano ea bana ba banyenyane, banana le

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bacha e etsahala hohle Europe le hohle lefatšeng.

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Ha o sheba NCMEC, mohlala – setsi sa Amerika sa ho tlaleha
bana ba lahlehileng le ba hlekefelitsoeng – lilemo tse 'ne kapa

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tse hlano tse fetileng, e ne e ntse e na le linyeoe tse 50,000.

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Hona joale re fumana liketsahalo tse 205,000
tse tlalehoang ho rona selemo se seng le se seng.

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Ho makatsa!

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Empa re lebone le lenyenyane.

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Ha o bapisa seo NCMEC e se tlalehang le Asia,
India, le Pakistan, re batla re le dimilione.

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Sena se bontša ka ho hlaka hore ke bothata
ba lefats'e ka bophara, eseng feela ba

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Jeremane, eseng feela ba Belziki kapa eng kapa eng.

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Ke boetse ke utloile hore ho na le diphuputso tse ngata
tsa semmuso mabapi le tlhekefetso ya dikereke tsa sephiri.

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A o ka hlalosa ka dipolelo tse mmalwa
seo polelo ya semmuso e se buileng?

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Ho na le liphuputso tse ngata. Ntumelle, ho na le
liphuputso tse se nang palo lekaleng lena haholo-holo.

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Nna ka bonna ke ngotse diphuputso tse pedi
bakeng sa Palamente ya Yuropa, ka 2020 le 2021,

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moo ke kopantseng tlhahisoleseding ena yohle.

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Mme ka re, "Ho lokile, ke eng se ka etswang
hamolemo? Re ka nolofatsa eng? Re ka qala hokae?"

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– Mme ho entsoe hantle se fapaneng.

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Ho thehilwe setsi hape, setsi sa ho
lwantsha tlhekefetso ya thobalano ya bana. Boom.

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Jwale re na le setsi se seng hape, ka
thoko ho Europol le tse ding jwalo-jwalo.

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Re na le baemeli hohle mme re na le diphuputso hohle.

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Ho bile le phuputso e babatsehang ka 2011 mabapi le kenyelletso
ea litaelo tsa EU ho loantša tlhekefetso ea thobalano ea bana.

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Mme e ile ya hlahlojwa ka 2016. Ke phuputso e ntle.

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Ho bile le phuputso e 'ngoe ke
WeProtect. (https://www.weprotect.org/)

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E ne e boetse e le phuputso e ntle; e ne e
hloka feela ho tswelapele le ho phethahatswa.

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Ho ne ho hlokahala feela hore motho a etse ho hong ka hona!

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Ho ile ha etswa phuputso, e ileng ya ngolwa mme hape e ne e
thabisa ho e bala, e na le ditshwantsho tse ntle, ditshwantsho

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tsa khomphutha tse ntle le tse ding tsohle tse jwalo.

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Empa tšebetsong ka kakaretso ho na le khaello.

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Kahoo, ha se feela hore ho haella lipatlisiso mabapi le
linyeoe tse sa tlalehoang, empa hape ho haella le boikemisetso

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ba lipolotiki ba ho sebetsana le litaba tsena ka botebo.

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Ha se hakaalo hore ho na le khaello ea
melao, 'me ka sebele ha ho na khaello ea lithuto.

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Che, o tlameha ho e etsa! O tlameha
ho e etsa ebile o batla ho e etsa!

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Le lona le bua haholo ka thuto ea tsa botona le
botšehali ho bana ba banyenyane likolong tsa bana ba

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banyenyane le likolong tse tloaelehileng. Le ka reng ka taba eo?

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E, thuto ea thobalano ea bana ba banyenyane ke karolo e
khethehileng e ntshosisitseng haholo, hobane e

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hlahisitsoe ke WHO ka tšebelisano 'moho le Setsi sa
Federale sa Jeremane sa Thuto ea Bophelo bo Botle.

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Ho tloha ka la 13 Hlakola selemong sena (2025), e
bitswa "Setsi sa Federale sa Bophelo bo Botle ba Setjhaba".

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E na le ditokelo tse ngata le ho feta, menyetla e
mengata le ho feta, mme e ka etsa ho hongata le ho feta,

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haholoholo ha ho tluwa tabeng ya tshireletso ya tlelaemete.

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Mme ba babedi bana ba hlophisitse tataiso ena ya kamoo
ho ka "rutwang bana ba banyenyane ka tsa thobalano".

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Mohopolo o motheo ka mora sena ke hore ngoana – kamora hore a ka
ntšoa ka mpa ho fihlela a tsoaloa, eo ke lehlakore le

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le leng la taba – hang ha a tsoaloa o nkoa e le motho
ea thobalano, ea ka hlekeflehoang nako efe kapa efe.

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Mme hoo ho hlanya hoo o ke keng wa ho nahana le ho ho akanya.

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Mme ntho e mpe ka ho fetisisa ke hore ditataiso tsena tsa BZgA
tse tswang ho WHO di thehilwe hodima diphuputso tsa mahlale.

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Mme jwale ka kopo shebisisa diphuputso tsa saense
mme o bone hore na di tswa kae. Di tswa ho Kinsey.

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Monna ea ngotseng Tlaleho e tummeng hampe ea Kinsey
lilemong tsa bo-1960 mabapi le tokoloho ea banna le basali.

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Ho tloha ka nako eo, tsohle li ile tsa mpefala feela.

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Ka nako eo, mohopolo oa ho lumella
thobalano e sa laoleheng o ne o se o ntse o qapjoa.

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Ho se tsotelle bana le thobalano le bana ho a
khoneha, ho tloaelehile, ebile ho a lumelloa.

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Ho ile ha hlahiswa puo e mpe. Mme motho
enwa, Kinsey, o ile a etsa letoto la diteko.

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Mme ho na le letoto la diteko tseo ke di boneng moo
ngwana ya dilemo tse nne a ileng a hlekefetswa dihora tse

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24 hore a fihlele maikutlo a ho phahama a makgetlo a 27.

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Ak'u nahane feela. O ne a hlalosa ho fihlela tlhoro nako le nako
ha ngoana a lla, a hoeletsa, kapa a tsokotsa – a hlokofatsa

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ngoana ea lilemo li 'ne ka lihora tse 24 ho
fihlela ho e-ba le karabelo e itseng ea 'mele – ebe o

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hlalosa karabelo eo ea 'mele e le ho fihlela tlhoro.

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Mme ka mora moo, ho bile le ba neng ba etsa sena, ba
hlekefetsang bana. Ba bang ba bona e ne e le matšwele, ba

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bang e le batshwaruwa ba mehleng ba neng ba lokolotswe.

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O tlameha ho etsa dipatlisiso le ho sefa tsohle tseo.

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Ebe o ipotsa: "Dumela, sena ke eng? Tsebo ya saense?"

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Hona ke tlhekefetso e hloekileng ea bana, pefo
e hloekileng ea thobalano khahlanong le bana, e

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itšetlehileng ka boitšireletso ba lipatlisiso.

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Mme yaba o ba le baithuti ba tshwanang.

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Kinsey o ile a latela Kentler. Ho ne ho na le Tlaleho ea Kentler.

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Eaba ho ba le Sielert. Eaba ho ba
le e mong hape, haufinyane tjena.

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Kaofela ba tswa sehlopheng se le seng sa maikutlo.

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U tlameha ho nahana. Kinsey o e qalile.

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Eaba ba "hapa" diyunivesithi, dikholetjhe tsa
botekgeniki le ditheo tsa kwetliso e kgethehileng.

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Mme jwale meloko ya bo-ramahlale ba kelello ya setjhaba le ba
ditso le tse ding le tse ding... Ba ntse ba hlahiswa ka bongata

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ka ho latellana mme ba tlala diofising tsa boiketlo
ba setjhaba le mebusong ya thuto hohle, ba tswela

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pele ho sebetsa ho ya ka moya wa kwetliso ya bona.

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Ho makatsa!

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Ka maikutlo a ka, hoo ke bothoto bo feletseng.

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Mme ha o ka sheba seo ditaelo tsena di se batlang – ho tloha
dilemong tse lefela ho isa ho tse nne, ngwana o

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lokela ho ithuta ho itlosa ditakatso tsa
thobalano. Ho tloha dilemong tse lefela ho isa ho tse nne!

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Kea ipotsa, ehlile, hore na ke titjhere efe e
etsang jwalo, le hore na e etsa jwalo jwang?

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Mme jwale re na le ditsi tsa tlhokomelo ya bana tse 17
Schwäbisch Hall tse hlomang dibaka tsa boithuto ba mmele.

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Batsoali ba ile ba makala ho feletseng!

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Ba ne ba sa tsebe letho ka hona. Le bona ba ne ba sa tsebisoa.

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Kahoo, haeba eo ke thuto ea thobalano ea bana ba
banyenyane, joale ha e le hantle ke ts'enyo feela ea lelapa.

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Seo ke tshenyo ya lelapa.

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Motheo oa naha, khubu ea naha, ke
kamano e phetseng hantle ea lelapa.

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Ho na le ntate, ho na le mme, ho na le ngwana, mme ho felela moo.

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Ho na le bong bo peli, 'me ho felela moo. Joale
ke motho ea feteletseng oa lehlakore le letona.

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Kea tseba. Ho na le ntho e ntle le ho
feta, joalokaha Monika Gruber a kile a bua:

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Mme haeba re na le Motsoadi1 le Motsoadi2, haufinyane re tla
ba le Setopo1 le Setopo2 bakeng sa ntate-moholo le nkhono.

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Na le hona ho tla etsahala? Ke motlae,
ehlile, empa nnete ke hore hoo ho etsa hore taba

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ena kaofela e se ke ea nkoa e le ea botho.

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E, hantle-ntle.

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Ha e sa le botho ebile ha ho na
seriti – haholoholo bakeng sa ngoana.

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Le bana ba na le seriti. Ditokelo tsa
bona le tsona di tlameha ho sireletswa.

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Mme bana ba lokela ho nkuoa e le batho ba molao,
eseng lintho tse ka nkuoang le ho lahloa feela.

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E! Kea leboha ka ho hlalosa.

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Kahoo ho bile le ntlha e le 'ngoe e ntle tabeng ena kaofela.

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Eo e ne e le Univesithi ea Bielefeld.

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O ile a etsa phuputso e pharaletseng ka Kinsey,
Kentler le Co. mme a fumana hore e ne e le

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tlhekefetso ea bana, tlhekefetso ea thobalano, hohle-hohle.

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Ena e ne e le mokhatlo oa botlokotsebe bo boholo o seng o hasane
hohle setsing sohle sa koetliso, moo ho neng ho

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koetlisetsoa litsebi tsa kelello tsa kahisano, litsebi tsa
kelello, lihlooho tsa likolo le litsebi tse ling tse tšoanang.

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Mme sena se ntse se tswela pele. Kahoo
se ntse se etsahala kgafetsa le ho feta.

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Ka hona, ha ho makatse ho bala dimakasineng tsa botsoali kajeno
hore ke ntho e tlwaelehileng hore bana ba tshwarwe le ho

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ruteha ka tsela eo e leng tlameho hore ba be le dikamano tsa
thobalano pakeng tsa dilemo tse tsheletseng le tse robong.

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Le ho amana 'meleng le ho ipatela ho theha likonopo tse
nyenyane tse mofuthu hohle moo bana ba ka ikhutselang teng.

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Hoo kaofela ke ho thusa baetsadibe feela.

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Ee... tshwarelo, ha ke na ditaba tse monate.

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Tsena ke maiphihlelo a mabe feela ao ke bileng le ona moo.

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Ke loetse hoo e ka bang bophelo bohle ba ka hore
tlhekefetso ea thobalano khahlanong le bana e be tlolo ea molao.

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Mme ka 2021, kamora dilemo tsa boemo-thata, sena se qetelletse,
se qetelletse, se qetelletse se ile sa phethahatsewa Jeremane

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hoo jwale se nkwang e le tlolo ya molao ya botlokotsebe.

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Mme seo se ile sa dula se le jwalo ho tloha ka 2021 ho isa ho
2024. Yaba Monghadi Buschmann, jwalo ka ha a ne a bitswa ka

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nako eo, Letona la Toka la Liberal, o ile a tla mme a se fetola.

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Jwale ke tlolo ya molao hape.

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Ka hona, le eo ha se tlholo e kgolo.

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Ka maikutlo a ka, ditlhaloso tsohle tse fanoeng ke
Lekala la Toka ho lokafatsa hore na ke hobaneng ha tlolo

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ena ya molao e hlakotsoe, ke bopaki bo qosang ka matla.

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E, ruri ke sesupo se hlonameng sa boemo ba litaba.

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Ke leboha haholo ka boinehelo ba lona ba ho thusa bana, mme
ka hodima tsohle, ka ho hlahisa ditaba tsena phatlalatsa.

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Hoo ke habohlokwa haholo.

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Seo se tlameha ho etswa.

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Kea leboha ka ho ipha nako, leha o le tseleng hona joale.

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Lipolelo tsa lona li re thusitse haholo ho
fumana setšoantšo se hlakileng sa taba ena.

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Re o lakaletsa mahlohonolo mesebetsing ea hau ea
kamoso, ho kenyeletsa le ho phomola mosebetsing ha hao.

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O ntse o falimehile!

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Re a leboha ka mosebetsi oa lona o motle oa thuto. Rea le rata!

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Kea leboha.
