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Kajeno, ke amohela Karl Hummitzsch setudiong sa rona sa Kla.tv. U
hlooho ea lekala la Jeremane la Mokhatlo oa Litokelo

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tsa Botho oa United for Freedom, hape u motlatsi
oa molula-setulo oa Khomishene ea Melao ea Boitšoaro.

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Monghadi Hummitzsch, dibeke tse pedi tse fetileng ho
tloha kajeno, o bile le moqoqo o kgahlang le o rutang

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haholo le Ngaka Reiner Füllmich teronkong e Bremervörde.

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Re ka rata ho bua hanyane ka seo kajeno. E ne e le
puisano e chesang haholo, haeba ke e utloisisitse hantle.

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Empa ha ke batle ho lebala ho bolela hore o ile a thaba haholo
ho bona moitseki oa litokelo tsa botho a mo etetse chankaneng.

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Re ile ra hakana ka thabo e fetisisang. E ne
e le moqoqo o monate haholo-holo, o nang le

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tsebo e ngata, mme ka bobeli ra thaba haholo.

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Ke dumela jwalo ka sebele. Re se re buisane ka taba ya ditokelo
tsa botho, haholoholo mabapi le Ngaka Reiner Füllmich, puisanong.

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Ka bokhutšoanyane hape, mabapi le Ngaka Reiner Füllmich. Ke
'muelli oa molao, ea nang le laesense Jeremane le United States.

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O ipabotsitse haholo-holo nakong ya sewa sa coronavirus
ka ho pepesa ditlolo tsa molao tse amanang le

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coronavirus komising ena ya coronavirus, moo e neng e le setho.

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Empa o ne a boetse a bitsitse lekgotla le leholo la
baahlodi naheng ya United States. O ile a bokella

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ditsebi tse 150 tsa mahlale, dingaka le babuelli ba molao.

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Ba ne ba qapile qoso e hlalosang ka
botlalo litlolo tsena tsa molao tsa coronavirus.

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Mme ka tsela e makatsang, o ile a qoswa. Ka tsela e
itseng, o ile a qoswa ka ho ja tjhelete kapa ho sebedisa

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tjhelete hampe. Ha re batle ho kena ho seo hona jwale.

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Leha ho le joalo, o ile a tshwarwa Mexico. Hoo ho
etsahetse jwang? Na o na le tlhahisoleseding ka seo? Na

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o ka hlalosa seo haholwanyane, Monghadi Hummitzsch?

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E, re bile le moqoqo o motle
haholo. Re bile re na le nako e ngata.

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O ile a pheta kamoo a ileng a lelekwa kateng
naheng ya Mexico, haeba o ka re ho ne ho le jwalo.

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Ha re eso fumane faele e feletseng. Nka bua feela ka seo a se
buileng le ka lifaele tseo re nang le tsona ho fihlela joale.

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Ho ya ka sena, o ile a hohelwa ofising ya boemedi
Mexico ka mano kamora hore dipasipoti tsa hae di nyamele.

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Nke ke ka bua ka tieo hore na ho etsahetse hantle tjena,
empa ke kamoo a e tlalehileng kateng, mme ke kamoo re e

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tsebang kateng lifaeleng. Ke nka hore sena se nepahetse.

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O mpolelletse seo ka tsela e tshepahalang haholo.

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Eaba o bolelloa hore liphasepoto li tla ba moo a neng a lokela
ho ea li lata. Mme hape ho ne ho e-na le liphasepoto tse neng

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li tla nka sebaka sa tse ling tseo a neng a lokela ho li fumana.

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Eaba liphasepoto tsa khale li fumanoa
hape. Empa eaba ho thoe ha li sa sebetsa.

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Kahoo ke pale e makatsang haholo, mme nka re e ne e ke ke ya
etswa ka nepo. Ka maikutlo a ka, e ne e le ka mano a bobe.

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Mme ya ba ba mo isa boemafofaneng. Eaba o iphumana a
le ka hara taba eo a neng a sa e utlwisise hanghang.

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Hobane ba mo isitse kampong ea bafalli, e leng holo e
kholo e tletseng bafalli. Sena se ile sa fana ka

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maikutlo a hore ba ne ba il'o mo leleka feela joaloka mofalli.

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Empa ha ho sebetse jwalo, hobane ha ho tsamaisane
le taba. Ha a etsa letho le fosahetseng. Nako

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efe kapa efe. Ho feta moo, o kene naheng ka molao.

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Kahoo ho ne ho se lebaka leha e le le
leng la ho mo leleka naheng ea Mexico.

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Ho fihlela jwale, tsohle di belaetsa haholo. Mme ha o a
fuwa monyetla wa ho fihlella difaele, leha o di kopile?

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Eaba o fihla Jeremane. O ile a theolelwa
ditepising tse ka morao, a feta pela bamamedi. Mme

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ka tlase, o ile a tshwarwa hanghang ke mapolesa.

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O ile a kopa ho fumana difaele hore a tsebe hore na ke
hobaneng a tshwerwe. Kopo ena ha e a ka ya ananelwa.

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Le kajeno, re ntse re se na phihlello e feletseng ea lifaele.

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Kahoo ho seng molaong ho tshwara motho ntle le ho mo tsebisa. Mme
haeba ho le jwalo, jwalo ka ha ke boletse, ha

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re eso fumane phihlello ya difaele. Jwale
hoo ho ne ho tla tlola ditataiso tsa matjhaba.

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Ke afe, mohlala?

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Mohlala, Karolo ea 15 ea GDPR, e
leng Molaoana oa Tšireletso ea Lintlha.

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Ebe Karolo ya 6 ya ECHR, e leng Tumellano ya Yuropa
ya Ditokelo tsa Botho. Le Ditaelo tsa EU tsa 2012/13.

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Kahoo ho na le melao e hlokang hore o fe motho tlhahisoleseding
e feletseng mabapi le hore na ke hobaneng a tshwaruwa.

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Mme ke sona hantle se sa etsahalang. Seo ke ho se
molaong, ho fana ka mohlala o le mong. O ile a boela a se

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batla, jwalo ka ha a mpolelletse. Empa ha a ka a se fuwa.

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Ha ho a fanoa ho hang, jooe.

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Mme yaba o ile a romelwa pele
teronkong ya Rosdorf haufi le Kassel.

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Moo o ile a bewa teronkong a le mong ka nako e itseng. Hape hoo
ke tlolo ya ditokelo tsa botho. Ho bile ho nkuwa e le tlhokofatso

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e tshweu ho ya ka Molao wa Motheo wa Machaba a Kopaneng.

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…e, litataiso tsa UN. Li bolela hore o ka tshwarelwa
feela kgohlong ya boinotsi ka nako e sa feteng matsatsi a 14.

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Haeba ho feta moo, ho kgutsufatsa bophelo. Kahoo o ile
a bewa teronkong a le mong ka dikgwedi tse

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tsheletseng. E, mme ke ka lebaka leo re ileng ra kena dipakeng.

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Lona ba United for Freedom le kenetse. Hantle-ntle le entse'ng?

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Re qalile ka ho shebella tshebetso ka
bokgutshwane. Re ne re se re e sebetsane le yona

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pele, ho ya ka moo ho neng ho kgoneha kateng.

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Eaba re bua le 'muelli-molao e moholo oa ts'ireletso.
Re ile ra leka ho utloisisa hore na ho ne ho

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etsahetse eng hantle ho eena. Kamoo a neng a tšoeroe kateng.

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Eaba re re re tla nka nyeoe. Ho fihlela ka nako eo, e ne
e le feela ka litaba tsa molao le lirapa tse amehang ka

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mahlakoreng ka bobeli, ke hore, lekhotla le boiphemelo.

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Empa rona re atamela litaba tsa litokelo tsa botho ka tsela
e fapaneng ka ho feletseng. Ke seo re se entseng. Re fane ka

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tokomane ea maqephe a 30 ho babuelli ba molao ba Fuellmich.

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Babueledi ba ile ba kenya letsoho morerong wa
rona. Qetellong, sena se ile sa lebisa katlehong.

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Hamorao o ile a fetisetsoa teronkong e 'ngoe. Eo e ne
e le Bremervörde, moo ke neng ke le teng ka nako eo.

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Ho bua 'nete, ke tlameha ho bolela hore kenokeno
ea rona e tlisitse litholoana tse ntle haholo.

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Eena ka boeena ha a na ditletlebo ka tshwaro eo a e
fumanang. Re fumana maemo a tlwaelehileng a teronko,

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jwalo ka ha motho a ka nahana hore a tla ba kateng.

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Ha ho hotle, empa ha ho sa le maemo a
neng a le teng pele. A se a fetile.

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E, ho lokile haholo. Mme re bile ra utlwa
Ngaka Füllmich a bua boipelaetsong dikgweding tse

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mmalwa tse fetileng, haeba ke hopola hantle.

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Ho ile ha bapalwa molaetsa wa hae wa modumo.
O ile a bua le baipelaetsi ka mokgwa o

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kgothatsang haholo, o nang le pono e pharaletseng.

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Seo se ile sa nneha tšepo kannete. Hobane,
qetellong ea tsohle, ke motho ea hlahisang

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leseli mabapi le litlōlo tsa molao tsa coronavirus.

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Kahoo re ile ra boela ra mo bona hape, eseng feela
bencheng ea baemeli, empa le lebaleng la papali.

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Na ho sa tla ba le tse ling? Na re ka tšepa hore joale o tla
lumelloa ho tsoela pele ho sebetsa? Kapa u bona taba ena joang?

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Haeba e ne e le ho ya ka molao, e. Ka nako eo o ne a
tla kgona ho tswela pele ho tsamaya ka bolokolohi.

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Ha se motshwaruwa ya ahlotsweng. Ha a eso
ahlolwe. Ha e le hantle ke monna ya lokolohileng.

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Ruri.

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Le ha ditokelo tsa hae tsa motheo di ka fokotswa teronkong ho
ya ka mekgwa e tlwaelehileng teng. Le ha sena se bonahala e

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le tloaelo, ha a lokela ho amohuwa ditokelo tsa hae tsa motheo.

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E leng hore, o lokela ho kgona ho letsa mehala. O lokela
hape ho dumellwa ho buisana le lefatshe le kantle. Neng kapa

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neng ha a batla. O lokela ho kgona ho ba le tjhelete ya hae.

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Ka bokhutšoanyane, o lokela ho khona ho
tsamaea hohle moo ka bolokolohi joaloka motho ea

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tloaelehileng. Empa ha a lumelloe ho etsa joalo.

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Ena e ne e le eona feela nako eo a bileng le monyetla oa ho
buisana le lefatše le kantle. Joale o thibetsoe ho etsa joalo.

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Re tla ela hloko lintho tsena. Re tla
sebetsana le tsona. Hobane lintho li ke ke tsa sala

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li le tjena. Ka molao, sena ha se dumellwe.

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Kahoo, haeba ke utlwisisa hantle,
Ngaka Füllmich ha a so ahlolwe ka molao.

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Molato oa hae ha o so ka o pakoa. Kahoo, ho
latela kahlolo ea ho se be le molato, e ne e tla ba

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monna ea lokolohileng. Joale o etsa'ng teronkong?

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Nka re ha a lokela ho lumelloa ho bua ka bolokolohi.
Ke ka lebaka leo a tšoeroeng ka lona, ka lebaka la hore

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ho nahanoa hore a ka baleha. Ke seo a qosoang ka sona.

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Ah, ke ka lebaka leo a leng tshwarong ka molao, ka
lebaka la kotsi ya hore a ka baleha. Ke lona lebaka.

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E, mme yaba re e batlisisa. Ha ho letho le
fumanweng. Ha ho na bopaki ba hore o batla ho baleha. Kahoo

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ha ho na lesedi leo re le fumaneng ho fihlela jwale.

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Leha ho le jwalo, jwalo ka ha re boletse, ha re
eso fumane phihlello e felletseng difaeleng.

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Ka hona, polelo ena e lokela ho nkuwa ka hloko.

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Leha ho le jwalo, ha re fumane bopaki bofe kapa bofe ba
kotsi ya ho baleha difaeleng. Ha ho na motheo bakeng sa sena.

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Ka hona, a ka lokolloa. Ho ka nahanoa ka ho mo kenya lithaese tsa
maqaqailaneng kapa mehato e meng e tloaelehileng. Haeba ke

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seo lekhotla le se etsang qeto. Tsena ruri lia sebetsa.
Kahoo, ho ne ho ke ke ha e-ba le lebaka la ho se etse joalo.

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Re tla sekaseka sena mme re fane ka diparagrafa tse
amehang. Sepheo ke ho fedisa taba ya kotsi ya ho baleha.

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Kahoo seo se bolela hore ka li-tag tsena tsa
elektroniki tsa maqaqailaneng, a ka be a se a

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lokolohile 'me a qeta Keresemese le lelapa la hae?

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Ke seo ke neng ke se nahana ha ke mo etetse.

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Hobane tsohle li supa hore seo a
etsetsoang sona mona ha se hantle.

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Empa jwalo ka ha ke boletse, hape ke na le dipelaelo.
Kahoo ha e le hantle ha re na tlhahisoleseding yohle.

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Ho ka nna ha e-ba le mabaka a hore na ke hobaneng ba ntse
ba mo tshwere. Empa ho latela seo re se boneng ho fihlela

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jwale, o lokela ho kgona ho qeta Keresemese le mosadi wa hae.

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Ho ne ho se lebaka la ho mo boloka nako e telele.
Empa jwalo ka ha ke boletse, jwale re tlameha ho

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ba le potsolotso e nngwe hape le 'muelli wa molao.

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Re tla sebetsa le yena ho batla phihlello e feletseng ya
difaele. Ke lebelletse hore re tla atleha boitekong bona.

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Re mokgatlo wa ditokelo tsa botho. Sena se bolela hore re sa nke
lehlakore, re matjhaba, mme re na le ditokelo tse tsamaelanang

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le seo. Ditokelo tsena ha di eso ngolwe molaong wa Jeremane.

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Ehlile, li teng le Jeremane. Empa ke taba e fapaneng ha
Jeremane e tiisitse melao e itseng – melao ea machaba.

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Re kopantse lintho tse ngata mme re
qobelletswe ke Jeremane ho amohela le tsona lintho

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tsena. Mme re tla phethahatsa boikarabelo bona.

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E, kahoo tsena ke melaoana ea machaba e kang Molao oa
Motheo oa Machaba a Kopaneng, joalo ka ha ba bua, 'me ho

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na le lintho tse tšoanang tse boetse li tlama Jeremane.

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Kahoo ke litaba tse monate. Seo se bolela hore hang ha o
fumana phihlello ea lifaele tsena, maemo a ka fetoha a

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le molemo ho Reiner Füllmich ka nako e khuts'oane haholo.

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Ho ya ka pono ya ditokelo tsa botho,
re nka hore ho a kgonahala ka molao.

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Potso ke hore, lekhotla la Jeremane le tla
arabela joang? Baahlodi le bachochisi ba tla

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itshwara jwang? Na ba tla latela molao ona?

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Ho se ho etsahetse hore batho ba ipotse hore na
bachochisi le baahlodi ba ntse ba latela melao ya Jeremane.

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Ka nako e 'ngoe motho o fumana maikutlo a hore sena se
sebetsoa ka seatla se bulehileng haholo, ha re re.

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Kahoo re se re ntse re na le maikutlo a rona ka taba eo.

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Empa ho ka etsahala. Joalokaha re se re hlalositse,
lekhotla le mo tshwere ka toka mabapi le maemo a teronko.

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Batsamaisi ba chankana ba nkile
khato e loketseng. Mme e ile ea atleha.

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Nka nahana hantle hore dipuisano di tla tswela
pele hodima motheo ona. Ka hoo, a ka nna a lokollwa, a

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bewa ditshwao tsa maqaqailaneng le mehato e meng.

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Empa hore a be teronkong a se na kahlolo. Ho ke
ke ha nahanoa. Le kamoo a neng a tšoeroe kateng.

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Kahoo, tlhekefetso e fetileng. Ho lekane! Le
kgethollo ya hae, le mokgwa oo setjhaba se

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neng se fafatswa ka leshano. Seo ha se botho.

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Ke ka lebaka leo re ikutloang re tlamehile ho
kena lipakeng re le mokhatlo oa litokelo tsa botho.

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Ho lokile. Ka nako eo, sena se ne se
hlalositswe ka ho hlaka e le "lawfare". Sena se bolela

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mofuta wa toka o sebediswang hampe dipolotiking.

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E sebetsa haholo bakeng sa ho tlosa ka tsela e
itseng ba hanyetsang, joalo ka Ngaka Reiner

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Füllmich ea hlalefileng, hore ba se ke ba utloahala.

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Tsohle di ne di le mpe haholo. Empa jwale o na le
tshepo e ntle kapa tebello e ntle ya hore sena se ka fetoha.

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E, eseng seo feela. Ha ke nahane hore ho
mo tlosa ts'ebetsong ke sepheo sa taba ena.

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Kutloisiso ea ka ho tsoa lipuisanong ke hore
ba batla ho mo etsa mohlala, ha re ka rialo.

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Ka tsela efe?

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O tsebahala haholo Jeremane. O entse
mosebetsi o moholo oa thuto le batho ba maemo a

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holimo ba tšepahalang le ba tšepahalang pelong.

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O entse dipatlisiso ka hohle kamoo a tsebang, a
ena le borasaense ba bangata le ditsebi tse ngata.

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O ile a hlahisa sena sohle le sehlopha sa hae. O ile a
etsa se tshwanang le dinaheng tse ding. Ke ka lebaka leo a

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nang le seriti se matla haholo, se setle haholo le moo.

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Ka hona, nka nahana hore sepheo e ka ba ho mo etsa mohlala.

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E mong le e mong ea mo tsebang a tsebe: haeba u qala
ho ba mokhahlapeli hona joale 'me ha e le hantle u

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sebetsa hantle, joale ntho e tšoanang e ka u etsahalla.

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Ke maikutlo a ka ha ke sheba tsohle ka kakaretso.
Nyeoe ea Füllmich, mohlala bakeng sa Jeremane le lefatše.

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Ho lokile, ke hantle. Empa ka lehlakoreng le leng, ho
boetse ho na le batho le mekhatlo ea litokelo tsa botho e

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kang United for Freedom e shebileng taba ena haufi-ufi.

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Ba etsa bonnete ba hore mekhoa e joalo ea ho sebelisa
toka hampe ea emisoa. 'Me ntlheng ena, hape ke ntho

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e khothatsang haholo. Le ho bafuputsi bohle ba bang.

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United for Freedom ha e siee mang kapa mang a
ntse a hlokofatswa tjhankaneng, empa e

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netefatsa hore batho ba fumana toka mme ba lokollwe.

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Ha feela ba sa etsa tlolo efe kapa efe ea molao.

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Ha o e beha ka tsela eo, ke tlameha hape ho
bolela, ka toka eohle, hore re bona mahlakore ka bobeli.

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Ha se feela hore re etsa letsholo
kgahlanong le ho se be le toka ho batho.

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Empa ha ntho e itseng e etswa ka kelello le ka
nepo, re tiisa seo ka ho hlaka le ntle le pelaelo.

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Ke ka lebaka leo ho leng bohlokoa ho 'na ho
bua se latelang. Ho entsoe mosebetsi ka boemo

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ba Füllmich. Mme joale o se a tšoaroa hantle.

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Ke iponetse. E ne e le lekhetlo la ka la bobedi moo.

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Lekgetlo la pele, o ne a tsamaya hampe ka
leoto le le leng. Mohlomong o ile a itlontsha.

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Ha ke a mo botsa. Empa ke ile ka mo bona a tsamaya ke mo shebile
a le ka morao. Mme lekhetlong lena ka boela ka mo shebella.

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Mme jwale o ne a phutholohile ka ho feletseng.
Ke tlameha ho bolela hore ke maikutlo ao ke a

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fumaneng. Mme ke kamoo a neng a itshwere kateng.

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O tshwarwa hantle haholo. Ntle le dintho tse seng molaong.

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Mme ke tlameha ho supa sena. Jwalokaha ke
hlalositse, o na le ditokelo. Mme ditokelo tsena di ntse

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di fokotswa. Mme re nka mehato kgahlanong le sena.

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Tsena ke litaba tsa molao tse ka tšohloang. Mme re
nka hore sena se tla etsoa ka mokhoa o utloahalang.

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Dingodiso tsa boahlodi le diparagrafa
di beilwe tafoleng, ha re ka rialo.

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Re tla buisana, re tla qoqa. Ho kenyeletsa le
ofisi ea mochochisi oa sechaba le baahloli.

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Mmoho le boiphemelo, ehlile. Nka nahana
hantle hore litharollo li ntse li ka khoneha mona.

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Kahoo a ke ke a tlohelwa moo ho hlohlona ho
isa ho ile kapa ho isa kahlolong ya ho qetela.

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Kahoo, jwalo ka ha ke boletse, nka se fane ka maikutlo mabapi
le dikahlolo tsa molato le ditaba tsa botlokotsebe. Empa mabapi

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le ditokelo tsa botho, ho na le tlhoko ya hore ho nkuwe kgato.

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Hantle. E, joale ke na le tjantjello, re na le tjantjello,
sechaba sa lefats'e ka bophara se na le tjantjello ea ho

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bona hore na nyeoe ea Füllmich e tla tsoela pele joang. Hape
le hore na phihlello ea hae ea lifaele e tla shebahala joang.

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Re tla lula re buisana, Monghadi Hummitzsch. Ke a
leboha haholo ka tlhahisoleseding ya hao ya kajeno.

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Ke rata hape ho leboha Kla.TV ka ho mpha monyetla
ona oa ho tlisa taba ena tlhokomelong ea sechaba.

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Ho bontša hore re etsa mosebetsi o hlokolosi
haholo, o boima haholo mona. Le hore ruri re

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utluoa. Rea leboha haholo ka ho bua le rona.