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Namhlanje, ndamkela uKarl Hummitzsch kwisitudiyo sethu seKla.tv.
Ungumphathi wesebe laseJamani loMbutho i-United

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for Freedom, umbutho wamalungelo oluntu, kwaye
ungusekela-sihlalo weKomishoni yeZimiso Zokuziphatha.

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Mnu Hummitzsch, kanye kule mihla ibini
idlulileyo, waba nencoko enomdla neyonwulayo

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noGqr Reiner Füllmich entolongweni eBremervörde.

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Singathanda ukuthetha kancinci ngaloo nto namhlanje.
Lwalungxoxo eshushu kakhulu, ukuba ndiyiqondile kakuhle.

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Kodwa andifuni kulibala ukukhankanya ukuba wavuya kakhulu
ukubona umlweli wamalungelo oluntu emtyelele entolongweni.

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Sazibambana ngovuyo olukhulu. Yayingencoko emnandi
kakhulu, enolwazi oluninzi, kwaye sobabini sasichulumancile.

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Ngokuqinisekileyo ndiyakholelwa njalo. Sele siyixoxile ngaphambili
ingxoxo-mpikiswano yamalungelo oluntu, ingakumbi ngokunxulumene

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noGqr. Reiner Füllmich, kudliwano-ndlebe oludlulileyo.

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Ngokufutshane kwakhona, malunga noGqr. Reiner
Füllmich. Ungummeli onelayisensi eJamani nase-United States.

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Uzimele ngokukodwa ngokuthe ngqeshe ngesigaba sobhubhane
we-coronavirus ngokutyhila

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ulwaphulo-mthetho olunxulumene ne-coronavirus kule
khomishoni ye-coronavirus, apho ebengeli-lungu.

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Kodwa waye wayebize ijaji enkulu eUnited States. Wadibanisa
izazinzulu ezili-150 ezingamachwepheshe, oogqirha namagqwetha.

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Babenyathelisile isimangalo esibhala
ngokweenkcukacha la lwaphulo-mthetho lwe-coronavirus.

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Kwaye ke, ngokumangalisayo, wabekwa ityala. Ngandlel'
ithile, watyholwa ngokunxamlisa imali okanye ukusebenzisa

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imali ngokungekho mthethweni. Asifuni kungena kuloo nto ngoku.

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Nangona kunjalo, wabanjwa eMexico. Kwenzeka
njani oko? Unayo nayiphi na inkcazelo ngaloo

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nto? Ungakucacisa oko ngakumbi, Mnu Hummitzsch?

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Ewe, besinencoko elungileyo
kakhulu. Besinexesha elaneleyo kananjalo.

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Uchazile ukuba kwenzeka njani ukuba
agxothwe eMexico, ukuba unokuthi yiyo lonto.

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Asikafumani uphononongo olupheleleyo
lwefayile. Ndingathetha kuphela ngoko wathethayo

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kunye neefayile esinazo ukuza kuthi ga ngoku.

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Ngokwale nto, watsalelwa kwikonsile eMexico
ngobuxoki emva kokuba iipaspoti zakhe zinyamalele.

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Andinakutsho ngokuqinisekileyo ukuba kwenzeke kanye
ngolu hlobo, kodwa ngolu hlobo aluxela ngalo, kwaye kulapho

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esazi khona kwiifayile. Ndicinga ukuba oku kuchanekile.

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Undixelele ngendlela ethembeke kakhulu.

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Kwaza ke waxelelwa ukuba iipaspoti ziya kuba kuloo
ndawo ekwakufuneka aye kuzilanda kuyo. Kwaye ke

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kwakukho neepaspoti ezitsha ekwakufuneka azifumane.

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Kwathi ke kwaphinda zafunyanwa iipaspoti
ezindala. Kodwa ke kwathiwa azisasebenzi.

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Ngoko yibali elingaqhelekanga kakhulu, kwaye
ndingathi ayinakwenzeka ukuba kwenziwe

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ngokufanelekileyo. Kwakungamanyala, ngokoluvo lwam.

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Ngoko ke bamsa kwisikhululo seenqwelomoya. Wathi ke
wazifumana sele enxaxheba kwinto angayiqondanga kwangoko.

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Kuba bemse kwinkampu yabaphambukeli, iholo enkulu
ezele ngabaphambukeli. Oku kwenza kwabonakala

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ngathi babezimiselile ukumgxotha nje njengomphambukeli.

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Kodwa ayisebenzi ngolo hlobo, kuba ayihambelani.
Akazange enze nto iphosakeleyo. Ngalo naliphi na ixesha.

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Ngaphezu koko, ungenele elizweni ngokusemthethweni.

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Ngoko ke, kwakungekho sizathu kwaphela sokumgxotha eMexico.

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Ukuza kuthi ga ngoku, yonke le nto iyathandabuzeka kakhulu.
Kwaye awukavunyelwa ukufikelela kwezi fayile, nangona ubuzile?

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Wathi ke wafika eJamani. Wakhutshelwa
ezitepsini ngasemva, edlula kubaphulaphuli. Kwaye

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ngaphantsi, wabanjwa kwangoko ngamapolisa.

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Ucele ukufikelela kwiifayile ukuze afumanise ukuba
kutheni ebebanjwe. Esi sicelo asizange samkelwe.

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Kwaye nanamhlanje, asikafikeleli ngokupheleleyo kwezi fayile.

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Ngoko ke, akukho mthethweni ukubamba umntu ungamxelanga.
Kwaye ukuba kunjalo, njengoko benditshilo, asikwazi ukufikelela

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kwezi fayile. Loo nto ingaphula izikhokelo zamazwe ngamazwe.

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Zeziphi, umzekelo?

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Umzekelo, iSihloko 15 se-GDPR,
uMgaqo-siseko woKhuseleko lweDatha.

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Emva koko i-Athikili 6 ye-ECHR, eyiSivumelwano
saseYurophu samaLungelo oLuntu. Kwaye iiMyalelo ze-EU 2012/13.

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Ngoko ke kukho imigaqo-nkqubo efuna ukuba unike umntu
iinkcukacha ezipheleleyo malunga nesizathu sokuba abanjwe.

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Kwaye yile nto kanye engenzekanga. Oko akukho
mthethweni, ukunika umzekelo omnye. Wayifuna nayo,

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njengoko wandixelela. Kodwa akazange ayifumane.

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Akunikezelwanga kwaphela, kuhle kakhulu.

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Waza ke wathunyelwa kuqala
kuNtolongo yaseRosdorf ekufuphi neKassel.

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Apho wafakwa kwisigcina-dwa okwethutyana. Loo nto
ikwalulwaphulo lwamalungelo oluntu. Kuthathwa

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njengokungcungcuthekisa okumhlophe ngokweSivumelwano se-UN.

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…ewe, izikhokelo ze-UN. Ziyalatha ukuba ungagcinwa
kwigumbi elikhethekileyo kangangeentsuku ezili-14 kuphela.

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Ukuba kudlula apho, kunciphisa ubomi. Ngoko ke
wayevalelwe yedwa iinyanga ezintandathu.

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Ewe, kwaye seso isizathu sokuba singene phakathi.

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Nani base-United for Freedom nangenelele. Nenzani kanye kanye?

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Siqale ngokujonga le nkqubo ngokufutshane. Sasisele
siyilungiselele ngaphambili, kangangoko bekunokwenzeka.

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Emva koko sathetha negqwetha eliyintloko lezokuzikhusela. Sizame
ukuqonda ukuba kwenziwe ntoni kuye. Indlela awayephatheke ngayo.

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Emva koko sathe siza kuyithatha ityala. Kude kube lelo xesha,
ibikuphela ngemiba yezomthetho kunye neengcaphuno ezifanelekileyo

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kumacala omabini, oko kukuthi, inkundla kunye nabameli.

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Kodwa thina sijongana nemiba yamalungelo oluntu ngendlela
eyahluke ngokupheleleyo. Yiloo nto esiyenzileyo. Sinikezele

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ngoxwebhu lwamaphepha angama-30 kubagqwetha bakaFuellmich.

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Amagqwetha angenise isishwankathelo sethu.
Ekugqibeleni, oku kukhokelele kwimpumelelo.

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Kamva wathunyelwa kwesinye isibholongelo. Loo
nto yayiseBremervörde, apho ndandikho ngelo xesha.

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Ukunyaniseka, kufuneka nditsho ukuba
ungenelelo lwethu luye lwaba nempumelelo ngokwenene.

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Yena ngokwakhe akanazikhalazo ngendlela
aphethwa ngayo. Sifumana imeko ejwayelekileyo

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yentolongo, kanye njengoko umntu enokuyicinga.

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Akumnandi ke, kodwa ayikho imeko eyayikho ngaphambili. Ayisekho.

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Ewe, kuhle kakhulu. Kwaye side seva uGqr.
Füllmich ethetha kumzabalazo kwiinyanga

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ezimbalwa ezidlulileyo, ukuba ndikhumbula kakuhle.

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Kudlalwe umyalezo wakhe wokuthetha. Uthethe
nabaqhankqalazi ngendlela ekhuthazayo kakhulu, nenombono obanzi.

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Loo nto indinike ithemba ngokwenene. Kuba, emva
kwayo yonke loo nto, ungumntu ocacisa izenzo

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zolwaphulo-mthetho ezinxulumene ne-coronavirus.

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Ngoko ke simfumene kwakhona, kungekuphela
nje kwibhentshi yamanqaku, kodwa nakwibala.

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Ingaba kusaza kubakho okunye? Singathemba na ukuba ngoku
uza kuvunyelwa ukuqhubeka esebenza? Okanye wena ubona njani?

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Ukuba bekungokomthetho, ewe. Ngoko ke wayeza
kukwazi ukuqhubeka ehamba ngokukhululekileyo.

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Akasosiboshwa esigwetyiweyo.
Akakagwetywanga. Ngokwenene ungumntu okhululekileyo.

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Ngokwenene.

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Nokuba amalungelo akhe asisiseko athintelwe entolongweni
ngokwemigaqo eqhelekileyo yalapho. Nokuba oku kubonakala

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kuqhelekile, akufuneki abanjwe amalungelo akhe asisiseko.

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Okuthetha ukuthi, kufuneka akwazi ukufowuna. Kufuneka
kwakhona avunyelwe ukunxibelelana nehlabathi langaphandle

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nanini na efuna. Kufuneka akwazi ukuba nemali yakhe.

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Ngoko ke, ngokwesiseko, kufanele akwazi
ukuhamba-hamba khululekileyo apho njengomntu

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oqhelekileyo. Kodwa akavumelekanga ukwenza njalo.

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Eli yayilelo kuphela ixesha awayekwazi ukunxibelelana
nehlabathi langaphandle. Ngoku akavumelekanga ukwenza oko.

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Siza kuqwalasela ezi zinto. Siza kuzilungisa. Kuba izinto
azinakuhlala zinjalo. Ngokomthetho, oku akuvumelekanga.

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Ngoko ke, ukuba ndiqonda kakuhle, uGqr.
Füllmich akazange agwetywe ngokusemthethweni.

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Utyala lwakhe alungqinwanga. Ngoko ke,
ngokomthetho wokuqikelelwa njengongatyholwanga, ungumntu

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okhululekileyo. Ukwenza ntoni ke entolongweni?

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Ndingathi akufuneki avunyelwe ukuthetha
ngokukhululekileyo. Yiloo nto ebanjwe ngesizathu sokuba

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'usengozini yokubaleka'. Yiloo nto atyholwa ngayo.

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Ah, ngoko ke uselugcinweni ngokusesikweni ngenxa
yomngcipheko wokuba angabaleka. Seso isizathu.

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Ewe, saza sayiphanda. Kaloku, akukho nto
ifunyenweyo. Akukho bungqina bokuba ufuna ukubaleka. Ngoko ke,

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akukho mkhondo esiwufumeneyo ukuza kuthi ga ngoku.

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Nangona kunjalo, njengoko sele sitshilo,
asikabafumani ukufikelela okupheleleyo kwiifayile.

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Ngenxa yoko, le ngxelo kufuneka ithathwe ngononophelo.

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Nangona kunjalo, asiboni mngcipheko
wokuba amaxwebhu angabaleka. Akukho sizathu.

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Ngenxa yoko, angakhululwa. Iithegi zeqatha okanye ezinye iindlela
eziqhelekileyo zokulawula ngokuqinisekileyo zinokucingelwa,

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ukuba inkundla iyagqiba njalo. Ezi zinto ngokuqinisekileyo
ziyasebenza. Ngoko ke, akukho mntu uza kuphikisa oku.

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Siza kuyiqwalasela le nto size sinikeze iindinyana
ezifanelekileyo. Injongo kukuphelisa umba wengozi yokubaleka.

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Ngoko ke oko kuthetha ukuba ngala mathikithi
athiwa ngawogqala otywini, eneneni sele

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ekhululekile yaye echitha iKrisimesi nosapho lwakhe?

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Yiloo nto bendiyicinga xa bendimtyelele.

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Kuba yonke into ibonisa ukuba into
eyenzelwa yena apha ayisemthethweni.

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Kodwa njengoko benditshilo, kwakhona
ndinamathandabuzo. Ngoko ke asinalo lonke ulwazi.

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Kusenokubakho izizathu zokuba bamgcine entolongweni.
Kodwa ngokusekelwe koko sibonileyo ukuza kuthi ga

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ngoku, ufanele akwazi ukuchitha iKrisimesi nomfazi wakhe.

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Akukho sizathu sokumgcina ngoku. Kodwa njengoko benditshilo,
kufuneka sidlule kwelinye ijikelo nomthetheleli ngoku.

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Siza kusebenzisana naye ukufuna ukufikelela ngokupheleleyo
kweefayile. Ndiyathemba ukuba siza kuphumelela kolu phulo.

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Siliqumrhu lamalungelo oluntu. Oku kuthetha ukuba
asikhethi cala, sisebenza kumazwe ngamazwe kwaye sinamalungelo

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afanelekileyo. La malungelo akakafakwa kumthetho waseJamani.

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Bakho naseJamani, ewe. Kodwa yinto eyahlukileyo xa iJamani
isivumile imithetho ethile – imithetho yamazwe ngamazwe.

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Siye sadibana nezinto ezininzi kwaye sinyanzeliswe yiJamani
ukuba samkele nezi zinto. Kwaye siza kusebenzisa lo nyanzeliso.

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Ewe ke, ngoko ezi ziimigaqo zamazwe ngamazwe
ezifana neSivumelwano se-UN, njengoko besitsho, kwaye

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kukho izinto ezifanayo ezibophelelayo naseJamani.

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Ngoko ke ezi ziindaba ezimnandi. Oko kuthetha ukuba, nje
ukuba ufumane ufikelelo kwezi fayile, imeko ingatshintsha

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ibe ngxaki kuReiner Füllmich kwisithuba esifutshane kakhulu.

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Ngokwembono yamalungelo oluntu, sithatha
ngokuba kunokwenzeka ngokwasemthethweni.

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Umbuzo ngulo, inkundla yaseJamani iza
kusabela njani? Oosompempe nabatshutshisi baza

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kuziphatha njani? Baza kusithobela na lo mthetho?

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Sekusenzekile ukuba abantu bazibuze ukuba ingaba
abatshutshisi namajaji basenamathela na kwimithetho yaseJamani.

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Ngamanye amaxesha umntu ufumana umbono
wokuba oku kuphathwa ngobubele obukhulu,

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masithi. Ngoko ke, sele sinoluvo lwethu ngaloo nto.

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Kodwa kunokwenzeka. Njengoko sesivumelene, inkundla
imphathe ngokufanelekileyo ngokwemeko yasentolongweni.

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Abaphathi bentolongo bathathe
amanyathelo afanelekileyo. Kwaye kwasebenza.

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Ndingakucingela kakuhle ukuba iingxoxo ziya kuqhubeka ngesiseko
esinjalo. Ngoko ke kunokwenzeka ukuba akhululwe, afakwe

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izixhobo zokumkhomba ezinkqomeni kunye namanye amanyathelo.

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Kodwa ukuba kufuneka ahlale entolongweni ngaphandle
kwesigwebo. Akunakucingelwa. Kwanendlela awayephatheka ngayo.

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Ngoko ke ukuxhatshazwa okwakudala. Kwanele ke!
Kwakhona nocalucalulo lwakhe, nendlela uluntu

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olwaluxhaphazwa ngayo ngolwazi. Ngoko ke oko akubobuntu.

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Yiyo loo nto siziva sinyanzelekile ukuba
singene phakathi njengequmrhu lamalungelo oluntu.

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Kulungile. Ngelo xesha, le nto yayichazwe
ngokucacileyo njenge "lawfare". Oku kubhekisa kuhlobo

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lobulungisa olusetyenziswa gwenxa kwezopolitiko.

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Kuluncedo kakhulu ngandlela ithile
ukususa abachasi, abanjengoGqirha Reiner

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Füllmich oqondileyo, ekubeni baphakanyiswe.

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Yayiyinto engamkelekanga kwaphela. Kodwa ngoku unombono
olungileyo okanye ulindelo oluhle lokuba oku kungatshintsha.

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Ewe, ayisiyiyo loo nto kuphela. Andicingi ukuba
ukumkhupha ekujikelezeni yinjongo yalo mcimbi kwaphela.

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Ukuqonda kwam kwiingxoxo kukuba
bafuna ukumenza umzekelo, masithi.

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Ngayiphi indlela?

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Waziwa kakhulu eJamani. Wenze umsebenzi
omkhulu kwezemfundo nabantu abakumgangatho

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ophezulu abanyanisekileyo nabanyanisekileyo.

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Uqhube uphando ngokwazi kwakhe okukhulu kunye
nezenzululwazi ezininzi kunye neengcali ezininzi.

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Wazisa konke oku kunye neqela lakhe. Wenza okufanayo
nakumazwe ngamazwe. Yiyo loo nto enegama elihle kakhulu nalapho.

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Ngoko ke ndingacinga ukuba injongo isenokuba kukumenza umzekelo.

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Wonke umntu omaziyo makazi: ukuba uqala ukuba
ngumphikisi ngoku kwaye usenza umsebenzi

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wakho kakuhle, ke into efanayo inokwenzeka nawe.

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Yiloo nto endiyibonayo xa ndijonga umfanekiso uphela.
Ityala likaFüllmich, umzekelo kwiJamani nakwihlabathi jikelele.

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Kulungile ke. Kodwa kwelinye icala, kukwakho
nabantu nemibutho yamalungelo oluntu efana ne-United

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for Freedom abajonge le nto ngeliso elibukhali.

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Baqinisekisa ukuba ukusetyenziswa gwenxa
kolungiso okunjalo kuyamiswa. Kwaye ngale ndlela, yinto

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ekhuthaza kakhulu. Nakubo bonke abanye abaphandi.

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I-United for Freedom ayishiyi mntu ehlupheka
entolongweni; endaweni yoko, iqinisekisa

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ukuba abantu bafumana ubulungisa baze bakhululwe.

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Nje ukuba bangakhange benze naluphi na ulwaphulo-mthetho.

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Ukuba uyibeka ngolo hlobo, kufuneka nditsho
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nokunyhashwa kobulungisa kubantu.

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Kodwa xa into yenziwe ngobulumko nangokuchanekileyo,
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oku kulandelayo. Kwenziwe umsebenzi ngemeko

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Kwaye ngoku wayephumile ngokupheleleyo. Kumele nditsho,
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Ngaphandle kwezinto ezingekho mthethweni.

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ngokuba oku kuza kwenziwa ngendlela efanelekileyo.

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Kulungile. Ewe, ke ndinomdla, sinomdla, uluntu lwehlabathi lonke
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