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Namuhla ngiyamemukela uKarl Hummitzsch esitudiyo sethu se-Kla.tv.
Ungumphathi wesigaba saseJalimane senhlangano ethi

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United for Freedom, inhlangano yamalungelo abantu,
futhi ungusekela-sihlalo weKomishana Yokuziphatha.

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Mnu Hummitzsch, namuhla sekuphele amasonto
amabili kusukela waba nengxoxo ethokozisayo nenolwazi

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olunzulu noDkt Reiner Füllmich ejele eBremervörde.

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Sifuna ukukhuluma kancane ngalokho namuhla.
Kwakuyingxoxo eshisayo kakhulu, uma ngiqonda kahle.

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Kodwa angifuni ukukhohlwa ukusho ukuthi wayejabule
ukubona umlwela amalungelo abantu evakashela yena ejele.

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Sazibamba ngokuthokoza okukhulu. Kwakuyingxoxo emnandi
kakhulu, enolwazi olunzulu, futhi sobabili sasijabule kakhulu.

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Ngikholwa ngempela. Sesivele sixoxe ngendaba
yamalungelo abantu, ikakhulukazi maqondana

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noDkt. Reiner Füllmich, engxoxweni yangaphambilini.

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Ngokufingqa nje futhi, mayelana noDkt. Reiner
Füllmich. Ungummeli onelayisensi eJalimane nase-United States.

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Uvelele ikakhulukazi ngesikhathi sobhubhane we-coronavirus
ekutholeni ubugebengu obuhlobene ne-coronavirus kule

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khomishini ye-coronavirus, lapho ayengomunye wamalungu ayo.

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Kodwa wayephinde wahlanganisa ijuri enkulu
e-United States. Wahlanganisa ososayensi

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abangochwepheshe abangama-150, odokotela namagqwetha.

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Babe sebedwebe isimangalo esichaza
ngokuningiliziwe lezi zibhedlela ze-coronavirus.

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Kwathi-ke, ngokumangazayo, wamangalelwa. Ngesinye
isikhathi wamangalelwa ngokweba noma ukusebenzisa

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imali ngokungafanele. Asifuni ukungena kulokho manje.

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Noma kunjalo, wabanjwa eMexico. Kwenzeke kanjani lokho? Unolwazi
ngalokho? Ungachaza lokho kancane okwengeziwe, Mnu Hummitzsch?

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Yebo, besinengxoxo enhle kakhulu. Futhi besinethuba elanele.

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Wachaza ukuthi wabuyiselwa kanjani
eMexico, uma ungakubiza ngalelo gama.

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Asikakayitholi ukubuyekezwa okuphelele
kwamafayela. Ngingabhekisa kuphela kulokho

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akushilo kanye namafayela esinawo kuze kube manje.

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Ngokwalokhu, wadukiswa waya ehhovisi lwe-consulate
eMexico ngamanga ngemva kokuba amaphasiphothi akhe elahlekile.

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Angikwazi ukusho ngokuqinisekile ukuthi kwenzeke ngale
ndlela ngqo, kodwa yilokho akubike ngakho, futhi yilokho

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esikwazi ngakho emafayilini. Ngicabanga ukuthi lokhu kulungile.

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Wangitshela ngendlela ethembekile kakhulu.

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Kwathi-ke watshelwa ukuthi amaphasiphothi azobe ekuleli
zwe lapho okwakumele aye azowathatha khona. Futhi

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kwakukhona amaphasiphothi esikhundleni kwakufanele athole.

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Kwabe sekutholakala futhi
amaphasiphothi amadala. Kodwa kwathiwa awasebenzi.

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Ngakho-ke, indaba emangalisayo kakhulu
engingasho ukuthi ayizange iphathwe kahle. Ngokombono

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wami, kwakungokuziphatha okungathembekile kakhulu.

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Ngakho-ke bamthatha bamsa esikhumulweni sezindiza.
Wabe esethintekwa yinto ayizange ayiqonde ngokushesha.

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Ngoba bamthatha bamusa ekampini yabokufika, ihholo
elikhulu eligcwele abokufika. Lokhu kwenza

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kwabonakala sengathi babehamba bamxosha njengomfiki nje.

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Kodwa akusebenzi kanjalo, ngoba akufanele.
Akakaze enze lutho olungalungile. Noma kunini.

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Ngaphezu kwalokho, wangena ezweni ngokusemthethweni.

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Ngakho-ke kwakungekho sizathu nhlobo sokumxosha eMexico.

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Kuze kube manje konke kuyinqaba kakhulu. Futhi
awunikezwanga ukufinyelela kumafayela, nakuba uwacelile?

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Wafika eJalimane. Waholwa phansi
ezitebhisini ngemuva, edlula phambi kwababukeli. Futhi

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phansi, wabanjwa ngokushesha ngamaphoyisa.

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Wacela ukufinyelela kumafayela ukuze athole
ukuthi kungani eboshiwe. Lokhu akuzange kuvunyelwe.

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Futhi noma namuhla, asikakwazi
ukufinyelela ngokuphelele kumafayela.

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Ngakho-ke akuvunyelwe ukubopha umuntu ngaphandle kokumazisa.
Futhi uma kunjalo, njengoba ngishilo, asikakwazi ukufinyelela

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kumafayela. Lokho-ke kuzophula iziqondiso zamazwe ngamazwe.

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Iyiphi, isibonelo?

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Isibonelo, Isigaba 15 soMthetho Wokuvikelwa Kwedatha (GDPR).

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Bese iSigaba 6 se-ECHR, okuyiSivumelwano saseYurophu
ngamaLungelo Abantu. Kanti futhi iziqondiso ze-EU zango-2012/13.

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Ngakho-ke kunemithetho edinga ukuthi unike
umuntu lonke ulwazi ngesizathu sokuboshwa kwakhe.

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Futhi yilokho ngqo okungazange kwenzeke. Lokho
akuvumelekile ngokomthetho, njengokwesibonelo esisodwa. Waphinde

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wayicela, njengoba angitshele. Kodwa akazange ayithole.

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Akunikezwanga nhlobo, hawu.

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Kwathi-ke wathunyelwa kuqala ejele laseRosdorf eduze kweKassel.

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Lapho wafakwa ekuboshweni yedwa isikhashana. Lokho nakho
kuwukwephulwa kwamalungelo abantu.

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Kubhekwa ngisho njengokuhlukunyezwa
okusobala ngokweSivumelwano seZizwe Ezihlangene.

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…yebo, iziqondiso ze-UN. Zithi ungavalelwa
wedwa isikhathi esingadluli izinsuku eziyi-14.

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Uma kudlula lapho, kunciphisa impilo. Ngakho-ke wavalelwa
yedwa izinyanga eziyisithupha. Yebo, yingakho sangena phakathi.

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Nina be-United for Freedom nangenelela. Nenzani ngempela?

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Saqala sabona inqubo kafushane. Sasivele
sayibhekana nayo ngaphambilini, ngangokunokwenzeka.

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Bese saxoxa nommeli omkhulu wezokuvikela. Sizame ukuqonda
ukuthi empeleni kwenziwa kuye. Nokuthi waphathwa kanjani.

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Khona-ke sathi sizothatha icala. Kuze kube yilapho, bekugxile
kuphela ezindabeni zomthetho nasezigabeni ezifanele kuzo

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zombili izinhlangothi, okungukuthi inkantolo kanye nokuzivikela.

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Kodwa thina siyakubhekana nezindaba zamalungelo abantu
ngendlela ehlukile ngokuphelele. Yilokho esikwenzile.

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Sinikeze amagqwetha kaFuellmich umbhalo onamakhasi angama-30.

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Abameli bathumele incwadi yethu yemfuno.
Ekugcineni, lokhu kuholele empumelelweni.

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Kamva wadluliselwa ejele elinye. Lokho
kwakuseBremervörde, lapho ngangikhona ngaleso sikhathi.

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Ukuze ngibe nokulingana, kumele ngithi
ukungenelela kwethu sekuzuzise kakhulu.

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Yena uqobo akanakhalo ngendlela aphathwa ngayo.
Sibona izimo ejele ziyajwayeleka, njengoba kulindelekile.

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Akumnandi ngempela, kodwa izimo
ezazikhona ngaphambilini azisekho.

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Yebo, kuhle kakhulu. Futhi saze sazwa uDkt.
Füllmich ekhuluma emibhikishweni

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ezinyangeni ezimbalwa ezedlule, uma ngikhumbula kahle.

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Kwadlalwa umlayezo wezwi oluvela kuye. Waxoxa
nababhikishi ngendlela ekhuthazayo kakhulu nenombono omkhulu.

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Lokho kwanginika ithemba ngempela. Ngoba yena,
phela, ungumcwaningi wezobugebengu be-coronavirus.

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Ngakho-ke saphinda samhlangabezana naye empeleni, hhayi
kuphela ebhentshini lezohlomulo, kodwa nasesigcawini somdlalo.

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Ngabe kukhona okunye okuzayo? Singathemba yini ukuthi
manje uzovunyelwa ukuqhubeka esebenza? Noma ubona kanjani?

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Uma bekungokomthetho, yebo. Khona-ke
wayezokwazi ukuqhubeka ehamba ngokukhululekile.

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Akasiyena isiboshwa esagwetshwa.
Akakagwetshwa okwamanje. Empeleni uyindoda ekhululekile.

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Impela.

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Noma amalungelo akhe ayisisekelo evinjelwe ejele ngokwezindlela
ezijwayelekile lapho. Noma lokhu kubonakala kuyindlela

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ejwayelekile, akufanele anqatshwe amalungelo akhe ayisisekelo.

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Okungukuthi, kufanele akwazi ukwenza izingcingo. Kufanele
futhi avunyelwe ukuxhumana nomhlaba wangaphandle noma

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nini lapho efuna. Kufanele akwazi ukuba nemali yakhe siqu.

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Ngakho-ke, kufanele akwazi ukuhamba khona ngokukhululekile
njengomuntu ojwayelekile. Kodwa akavunyelwe ukwenza njalo.

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Lesi kwakuyisikhathi kuphela ayekwazi ukuxhumana
nomhlaba wangaphandle. Manje uvinjelwe ukwenza kanjalo.

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Sizogxila kulezi zinto. Sizobhekana
nazo. Ngoba izinto azinakuhlala njengoba

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zinjalo. Ngokomthetho, lokhu akwamukelekile.

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Ngakho-ke, uma ngiqonda kahle, uDkt.
Füllmich akakaze ahlulelwe ngokusemthethweni.

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Akukakafakazelwa ukuthi wena. Ngakho-ke,
ngokucatshangelwa kokungabi necala, uzoba

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yindoda ekhululekile. Yini-ke ayenzayo ejele?

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Bengingathi akavunyelwe ukukhuluma
ngokukhululekile. Yingakho eboshiwe ngesisekelo sokuthi

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ungumuntu ongase abaleke. Yilokho akusolwa ngakho.

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Ah, yingakho-ke esebanjwe ngokusemthethweni,
ngenxa yengozi yokuthi angabaleka. Yilokho isizathu.

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Yebo, sabheka ngalokho. Akukho okutholakele.
Akukho bufakazi bokuthi ufuna ukubaleka.

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Ngakho-ke akukho zinkomba esizitholile kuze kube manje.

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Nokho, njengoba sesishilo, asikakabi
nokufinyelela okuphelele kumafayela. Ngakho-ke, lesi

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sitatimende kufanele sithathwe ngokucophelela.

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Nokho, asikwazi ukuthola noma yiluphi ubungozi
bokubaleka emafayilini. Akukho sizathu salokhu.

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Ngakho-ke, angakhululwa. Izibopho zezinyawo noma ezinye
izinyathelo ezijwayelekile zingacatshangelwa

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ngokuqinisekile uma inkantolo inquma kanjalo. Lezi ziwusizo
ngempela. Ngakho-ke, akukho okungaphikiswa ngalokho.

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Sizocubungula lokhu futhi sinikeze izigaba
ezifanele. Inhloso ukuqeda ingozi yokubaleka.

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Ngakho-ke lokho kusho ukuthi ngalezi zibopho zikagesi
ezibizwa ngokuthi ama-electronic ankle tag, wayesevele

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ekhululekile futhi echitha iKhisimusi nomndeni wakhe?

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Yilokho engangicabanga lapho ngamvakashela.

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Ngoba konke kukhombisa ukuthi lokho
okwenziwa kuye lapha akusemthethweni.

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Kodwa njengoba ngishilo, futhi
nginokungabaza. Ngakho-ke asinalo lonke ulwazi.

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Kungenzeka kube nezizathu zokuthi bamgcine ejele.
Kodwa ngokususelwa kulokho esikubonile kuze kube

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manje, kufanele akwazi ukuchitha iKhisimusi nomkakhe.

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Akukho sizathu sokumgcina isikhathi eside. Kodwa
njengoba ngishilo, manje kumele sidlule enye ingxoxo nommeli.

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Sizosebenzisana naye ukucela ukufinyelela okuphelele
kumafayela. Ngiyethemba ukuthi sizophumelela kulo mzamo.

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Siyinhlangano yamalungelo abantu. Lokhu kusho ukuthi
siyimaphakathi, sihlangene namazwe omhlaba futhi

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sinamalungelo afanele. Lawa awakafakwa emthethweni waseJalimane.

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Nakanjani, zikhona naseJalimane. Kodwa
kuyindaba ehlukile uma iJalimane isivumile

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imithetho ethile – imithetho yamazwe ngamazwe.

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Sihlanganise izinto eziningi futhi siphoqelelwa yiJalimane
ukuba samukele lezi zinto. Futhi sizosebenzisa lo mthwalo.

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Ah yebo, ngakho-ke lezi yizimiso zamazwe ngamazwe
ezifana neSivumelwano se-UN, njengoba bekushiwo, futhi

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kukhona nezinye izinto ezifanayo ezibophezela naseJalimane.

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Lena yindaba enhle. Lokho kusho ukuthi ngokushesha nje lapho
usuthola ukufinyelela kule mafayela, isimo

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singashintsha sibe ngokuvumelana nezifiso zikaReiner
Füllmich kungakapheli sikhathi esifushane kakhulu.

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Ngokombono wamalungelo abantu,
sicabanga ukuthi kuyenzeka ngokomthetho.

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Umbuzo uwukuthi inkantolo yaseJalimane
izophendula kanjani? Abahluleli nabamangaleli

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bazoziphatha kanjani? Bazoyilalela yini le mthetho?

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Sekwenzekile ukuthi abantu bazibuze ukuthi ngabe
abamangaleli namajaji basazilandela yini imithetho yaseJalimane.

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Ngezinye izikhathi umuntu uthola umbono
wokuthi lokhu kuphathwa ngobubele obukhulu,

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masithi. Ngakho-ke sesivele sinombono ngalokho.

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Kodwa kungaba njalo. Njengoba sesivumelene,
inkantolo imphathe ngokulingana maqondana nezimo ejele.

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Abaphathi bamajele bathathe
izinyathelo ezifanele. Futhi kwasebenza.

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Ngingakucabanga kahle ukuthi izingxoxo zizoqhubeka
ngaleli zisekelo. Ngakho-ke kungenzeka ukuthi akhululwe,

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afakwe amathegi ezinyaweni nezinye izinyathelo ezibekiwe.

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Kodwa ukuthi kumele ahlale ejele ngaphandle
kwesinqumo senkantolo. Akungeneki

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ukucabanga ngalokho. Futhi nokuthi waphathwa kanjani.

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Ngakho-ke ukuphathwa kabi okwakudlule.
Sekwanele. Futhi ukuhlukunyezwa kwakhe, indlela

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umphakathi owadukiswa ngayo. Lokho akunamusa.

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Yingakho sizizwa siphoqelekile
ukungenelela njengenhlangano yamalungelo abantu.

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Kulungile. Ngaleso sikhathi, lokhu kwakubhalwe
ngokusobala njenge "lawfare". Lokhu kubhekisela

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ohlotsheni lobulungisa olusetshenziswa kabi kwezombusazwe.

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Kusebenzisekayo kakhulu ekususeni ngandlela thile abaphikisi,
njengodokotela oqwashisiwe uDkt. Reiner Füllmich, ekusakazweni.

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Kwakungokungcola konke. Kodwa manje unombono omuhle
noma ulindelo oluhle lokuthi lokhu kungashintsha.

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Yebo, hhayi lokho kuphela. Angicabangi ukuthi
ukumkhipha ekusabalalisweni kuyinjongo yalolu daba nhlobo.

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Umbono wami ezingxoxweni wukuthi
bafuna ukwenza isibonelo ngaye, ngokuthi.

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Ngokuphi?

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Waziwa kakhulu eJalimane. Usebenze kakhulu emsebenzini
wemfundo nabantu abaphezulu abathembekile nabazimisele.

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Uwenzile ucwaningo ngokwazi kwakhe okungcono
kakhulu nabasayensi abaningi nochwepheshe abaningi.

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Wethule konke lokhu neqembu lakhe. Wenza
okufanayo emazweni omhlaba. Yingakho

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enedumela eliqinile nelihle kakhulu lapho futhi.

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Ngakho-ke ngiyakwazi ukucabanga ukuthi
inhloso ingaba ukwenza isibonelo ngaye.

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Wonke umuntu omazi kufanele azi: uma uqala
ukuziphatha ngokuphikisa manje futhi empeleni

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usebenza kahle, into efanayo ingakwenzeka kuwe.

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Lena umbono wami lapho ngibheka isithombe sonke. Icala
likaFüllmich, isibonelo saseJalimane nomhlaba wonke.

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Kulungile, kulungile. Kodwa ngakolunye uhlangothi,
kukhona abantu nezinhlangano zamalungelo abantu ezifana

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ne-United for Freedom ezigcina amehlo eduze kakhulu kulokhu.

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Baqinisekisa ukuthi ukusetshenziswa kabi
kobulungiswa kuyamiswa. Futhi ngalokhu, kuyinto

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ekhuthazayo kakhulu. Futhi nakubo bonke abaphenyi abanye.

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United for Freedom ayishiyi muntu ehlupheka ejele; kunalokho,
iqinisekisa ukuthi abantu bathole ubulungisa futhi bakhululwe.

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Inqobo nje uma bengakaze benze noma yiziphi iziphambeko.

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Uma ukubeka kanjalo, kumele ngiphinde ngithi,
ngokulingana, ukuthi sibona womabili amacala.

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Akukhona nje ukuthi senza umkhankaso
sokulwa nokungabi nobulungiswa kubantu.

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Kodwa uma okuthile kwenziwa ngokuhlakanipha nangendlela
efanele, siqinisekisa lokho ngokusobala nangokungangabazi.

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Futhi yilokho okwenza kube kubalulekile kimi
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