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Ngo-15 Novemba 2025, kwabanjwa ingqungquthela yezintatheli
ehlelwe yi-MWGFD ngesihloko esithi "Umthetho

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Wokuvikela Imeasles Ohlolwayo", eyayibanjelwe
eduze kwe-Passau, ngqo ogwini loMfula Danube omuhle.

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Lo mthetho uphazamisa ngokungekho emthethosisekelo ubuqotho
bomzimba namalungelo abazali, ngokusho kweQembu

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Elisebenzayo loMthetho Wokuvikela iMeasles,
elihlanganisa odokotela, ososayensi namagqwetha.

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Bafuna ukususwa kwalo ngokushesha. I-Kla.TV
yayikhona bukhoma lapho futhi isekela lo mkhankaso

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ngokusakaza izethulo zomuntu ngamunye, ezifanele ukubukwa.

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Ngezansi kohlelo uzothola amaphepha anolwazi ngalesi sihloko
kanye nezindlela ongazisebenzisa nawe ukusekela lo msebenzi.

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Sicela ubheke ngezansi umnikelo kaProfesa Dokotela Paul Cullen
ngesihloko esithi 'Izimiso zokuziphatha kwezokwelapha nezindaba

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zomphakathi mayelana nokugonywa okuphoqelekile kwe-measles'.

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Isimemezelo sikaDkt. Weikl kuProfesa Dkt. Paul Cullen: Isikhulumi
esilandelayo sikhona nathi bukhoma, umngane wethu uProfesa Dkt.

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Paul Cullen. Ungudokotela nomkhankaseli, owazalelwa e-Ireland.

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Wafunda imithi e-University College Dublin, wabe
eseqhubeka waphothula iziqu zesibili kwezobhayokhemistri,

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egxile ebhayoloji yemolekyuli, e-King's College London.

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Unguchwepheshe kwezokwelapha kwangaphakathi
onamakhono angeziwe kwezifo ezithathelana,

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kwezokwelapha kwezilabhorethri kanye nekhemistri yezokwelapha.

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Uphatha ilabhorethri yezokwelapha enkulu eMünster futhi
ufundisa imithi yelabhorethri eyunivesithi yasendaweni.

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Ngaphezu kokushicilelwa kwemibhalo yesayensi
engu-250, ungumbhali wemibhalo yokufunda eminingana.

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Unentshisekelo ekhethekile ezindabeni zokuziphatha kwezokwelapha
nasezobuchwepheshe bezinto eziphilayo, yingakho enikeze inkulumo

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yakhe, esiyilindele manje, isihloko esithi: "Ukuziphatha
kwezokwelapha nezizathu zomphakathi mayelana nokugonywa

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okuphoqelekile kwe-measles". Paul, sikunika ithuba lokukhuluma.

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UProfesa uDkt Paul Cullen: Ngiyabonga, Ronny, futhi ngiyabonga
ngokungivumela ukuthi ngibambe iqhaza kulesi simposiyamu namuhla.

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Hhayi-ke, inkulumo yami ayigxili ngempilo yokugoma okuphoqelekile
kwe-measles, noma ngisho ngokugoma ngokwalo. Imayelana

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nalokho okufanele sikubekezelele, lokho okumele sikubekezelele
thina njengabaguli, nalokho okungafanele sikubekezelele.

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Futhi empeleni kumayelana nezisekelo zalezi zindaba
zokuziphatha kanye nokubaluleka kwazo emphakathini.

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Futhi kuqala nje, masiqale
ngobudlelwano phakathi kodokotela nesiguli.

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Asikho ubudlelwano emphakathini wethu phakathi kwabantu abangaziwa
obuseduze kakhulu kunobudlelwano phakathi kodokotela nesiguli.

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Udokotela ufunda izinto ezivame
ukuthi ngisho nomkakhe wesiguli angazi.

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Futhi kumele azizwele zona, ngoba kuphela ngaleso
sikhathi azokwazi ukunikeza ukwelashwa okufanele.

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Futhi kudinga ubudlelwano obuphelele
bokwethembana, obungekho kunoma ubani omunye, hhayi

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nommeli, hhayi nomeluleki wentela, noma kuphi.

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Futhi lobu budlelwano-ke busungula, ngakolunye uhlangothi, ukuthi
isiguli kumele sicabange ukuthi udokotela

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usebenza ezintshisekelweni zakhe ezinhle kakhulu,
futhi ngempela nasezintshisekelweni zakhe siqu.

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Futhi yilokho okuyisisekelo, singasho
kanjalo, sonke isinqubo, lobudlelwano obukhethekile

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bokwethembana phakathi kodokotela nesiguli.

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Futhi ngenxa yalesi sizathu, ikakhulukazi ngemva kweMpi Yezwe
Yesibili... – kwakukhona, impela, iziphambeko

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eziningi kwezokwelapha ngesikhathi seMpi
Yezwe Yesibili, eJalimane, kodwa futhi naseJapane.

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Futhi ngenxa yalezi zono, ezinye
izimiso ezazihlale zikhona sezibhalwe phansi.

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Futhi ngikhethe lapha ezintathu ezakha,
okungenani kimi, isisekelo sokuziphatha semithi yanamuhla.

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Umgomo wokuqala uwumgomo welungelo lokuphelela komzimba.

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Ngakho bathi, umzimba wami, ukukhetha kwami. Futhi
lokho, impela, kuyiqiniso. Isiguli sinobukhosi obuphelele

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phezu komzimba waso kanye nokuphelela kwaso ngokomzimba.

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Njengomfundi wezokwelapha, ngafunda ukuthi akuvunyelwe
ngisho nokuhlikihla izinwele zesiguli uma bengafuni.

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Futhi impela akufanele ufake lutho ngaphansi
kwesikhumba, njengoba uProfesa Bhakdi esho.

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Futhi lokho kuyisimiso esibaluleke
kakhulu kakhulu: sinobukhosi emizimbeni yethu!

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Umgomo wesibili, futhi yilowo ilungelo... – kusuka
ocwaningweni olungachazeki ngesikhathi seMpi Yezwe

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Yesibili... kodwa hhayi lapho kuphela, nakuMelika.

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Kwakukhona ukuhlolwa okudume kakhulu, ukuhlolwa kweTuskegee, lapho
abantu abamnyama bagonyelwa i-syphilis bengazi, futhi bengelashwa

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ngendlela efanele ukuze kubonwe indlela yemvelo yalesi sifo.

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Zonke lezi ziphutha – ezingazange zenzwe ngenhloso, kodwa
zaba izifundo ezifundwe – zaholela emgomeni wokuvuma ngolwazi.

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Ukusinika imvume olwaziswe kahle kusho ukuthini? Imvume
olwaziswe kahle, lapho umuntu ezazisa yena uqobo, kuwubudlelwano

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obuqondile, obobuntu phakathi kodokotela nesiguli.

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Udokotela kumele achaze izinzuzo, ubungozi nemiphumela
engemihle kumguli ngomlomo. Angamnikeza-ke okuthile okubhaliwe.

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Kodwa okubalulekile kakhulu yilesi sichasiselo somlomo, lapho
isiguli siphinde sibe nethuba lokubuza imibuzo, futhi

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empeleni, uma ufunda umthetho waseJalimane, siphinde
sibe nesikhathi sokucabanga ukuthi siyafuna yini noma cha.

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Futhi-ke sifika kwesithathu, okuyisimiso esidala kakhulu
esasivele sikhona ezikhathini zasendulo,

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isibonelo emitholampilo kaHippocrates. Futhi yilona
simiso esiyinhloko: Okokuqala, ungabangeli umonakalo.

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– 'Primum nihil nocere' yibinzana lesiLatini.
Lisho ukuthini? Ivamise ukungaqondwa kahle.

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Isibonelo, nge-Covid kwathiwa: kumele
sigonywe wonke umuntu, khona-ke akusoze kwaba

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khona umonakalo. Cha, akusho lutho olunjalo.

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Lokhu kusho ukuthi, kumguli ngamunye omile phambi
kwabo, udokotela kumele aqiniseke ukuthi lokhu

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ukwelashwa kuzomenza azuze kakhulu kunokuba kube yingozi kuye.

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Futhi uma ungakuqiniseki ukuthi akunjalo,
akufanele unikeze ukwelashwa, noma ngabe

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unezizathu eziqinile zokukholelwa ukuthi kungasiza.

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Lokho yilokho okusho lo mthetho, futhi sekukhohlwe kancane.

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AmaRoma babe nesisho esithi: inhlalakahle yesiguli iyona mthetho
ophakeme kakhulu – "salus aegroti supreма lex" ngesiLatini.

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Lokhu kusho ukuthi ukugxila kumguli ngamunye,
hhayi emphakathini noma emphakathini jikelele.

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Lena ubudlelwano bomuntu siqu
obusekelwe ekuthembeni, njengoba sisanda kuzwa.

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Futhi-ke, konke engikushilo kusebenza kakhulu
kakhulu uma isiguli singakwazi ukunikeza

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imvume, ikakhulukazi uma kukhulunywa ngabantwana.

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Futhi umjovo wokugoma i-measles, vele, uwowezingane.

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Inkinga esinayo manje wukuthi sinobudlelwano obuseduze
kakhulu, obubuthakathaka kakhulu phakathi kodokotela nesiguli,

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futhi manje uhulumeni ungene futhi uphazamisa, ngokuthi.

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Futhi lokhu akuyona nje ingqagela engokoqobo.

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Njengoba abaningi kini bezwile, ngomhlaka 8 Okthoba kulo nyaka,
iNkantolo Yezobulungiswa Kazwelonke yanquma ukuthi ngesikhathi

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sobhubhane we-coronavirus, odokotela abagonyela abantu imijovo
yokugoma bakhululekile emthwalweni wemfanelo

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uma kwenzeka umonakalo ngenxa yemijovo; akayena
udokotela onomthwalo wemfanelo, kodwa-ke umbuso.

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Kodwa lokho kusho ukuthi – kufanele
ucabange kancane ngokuthi lokho kusho ukuthini.

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Odokotela – futhi lokhu kuyisimiso esibaluleke
kakhulu esigcinwa yizo zonke izinhlangano

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zezokwelapha. Lona ngumgomo wenkululeko yokwelapha.

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Lokhu kusho ukuthi uma isiguli sinokwethenjwa okunjalo, udokotela
kumele akwazi ukwenza okusemandleni esigulini, futhi uma

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udokotela esebenza njengomgcini wemali wesiguli,
khona-ke kumele akwazi ukunquma ukusebenzisa ukwelashwa

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akubona kufanelekile ngokwemvelo, inkululeko yokwelapha.

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Kodwa inkululeko yokwelapha, njengazo zonke
izinhlobo zenkululeko, idinga umthwalo wemfanelo.

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Akukho inkululeko ngaphandle komthwalo wemfanelo wezinqumo zami.

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Nokho, uma ngingenalo icala, ngakolunye uhlangothi
ngokuzenzakalelayo anginakho ukukhululeka kokwelashwa.

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Lokhu kusho ukuthi kulo mhlaba omusha, ubudlelwano bokwelapha
engizame ukubuchaza abuseyona phakathi kodokotela

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nesiguli, kodwa manje sekuphakathi kodokotela nohulumeni –
okungukuthi phakathi kwegunya nomuntu ophansi kwegunya.

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Ngakho-ke kuyubudlelwano obuhlukile ngokuphelele.
Uthembeko seluphelile, kanye nesisekelo sokuqinisekisa

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ukwethenjwa esisekela ubudlelwano phakathi kodokotela nesiguli.

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Lokhu kungiholela eziphethweni ezine.

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Ngokombono wami okungenani, udaba lokugonywa okuphoqelekile
kwe-measles ngokuyisisekelo luphathelene nemibuzo

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yezepolitiki yomphakathi nemibuzo yokuziphatha engakwazi
ukuba yisisekelo kakhulu. Le mibuzo ibaluleke kakhulu.

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Umbuzo wokuqala ithi: Ubani onelungelo
lokulawula imizimba yethu nemizimba yezingane zethu?

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Ngabe yithi esinquma lokho, noma yizwe elinquma
lokho? Iphuzu lesibili: udokotela uphoqelekile kubani?

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Ingabe udokotela unomthwalo wemfanelo kubaguli
bakhe, njengoba kufanele kube njalo, noma unomthwalo

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wemfanelo kuhulumeni? Lo mbuzo uyisisekelo kakhulu.

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Okwesithathu, uma udokotela engumkhono
owandisiwe wombuso, ukwethenjwa kushiyeka kuphi?

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Futhi lokho kushiya kanjani
ubudlelwano phakathi kodokotela nesiguli?

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Kufanele yini sicabangele ukuthi isiguli
sinelungelo lokwenqaba ukwenza isitatimende

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kudokotela noma kwabanye abasebenzi bakahulumeni?

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Ungacabanga ukuthi ubudlelwano obujwayelekile
abusasebenzi, ngoba uma udokotela esebenza ohlelweni

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olunjalo, kumele ubuze umbuzo: Ingabe usengudokotela yini?

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Noma ingabe ungumtekhnikhi wezokwelapha osebenza
egameni lukahulumeni? – okuyinto ehlukile ngokuphelele...

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Futhi lokhu kuqukethwe amazwi ami. Ngiyabonga kakhulu!

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Amahora amane lobuchwepheshe
obuphezulu abafingqiwe emizuzwini engama-40.

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Buka iqoqo le-Kla.TV lesimpoziyam ye-MWGFD
mayelana noMthetho Wokuvikela Imeasles osuphenywayo.

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Ufuna ukuzibandakanya nawe?

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Dokotela Weikl: (kusuka ekuhlanganisweni – ekugcineni) Ngakho-ke
ungakusekela kanjani umkhankaso wethu

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wokukhansela uMthetho Wokuvikela I-Measles kanye
nesidingo sokugonywa okusemthethweni okuqukethwe kuwo?

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Ngakho-ke, sicela ubheke iwebhusayithi esivele itholakala
manje ebizwa ngokuthi: https://masernschutzgesetz.mwgfd.org.

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Futhi kule webhusayithi, uzogcinwa uhlale wazi
ngazo zonke imisebenzi yethu nemiphumela yethu.

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Sakhe iflayara, kanye neqembu lethu elisebenzayo,
ongayisabalalisa futhi uyisebenzise ukuqoqa

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iziginesha – ikakhulukazi emikhankasweni kulo lonke
elaseJalimane. Le flyara iyatholakala ukulanda.

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Ungalandela futhi amashidi okuqoqwa kwezinsayini.
Kubalulekile ukuthi ishidi lokusayina lihlale lifaka izimfuno

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zesicelo sethu, engisithumele manje ePhalamende laseJalimane.

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Ngakho khuluma namalungu ePhalamende akho, kubaphathi
bezepolitiki! Kumele sifake ingcindezi evela phansi!

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Khuluma nodokotela bakho, khuluma ngakho
nabangane bakho nabalingani bakho emsebenzini!

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Khuluma nemindeni ethintekile, nakuyo yonke imindeni emisha!

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Lokhu kuthinta abantu abayizinkulungwane eziyisikhombisa
eminyakeni eyodwa. Futhi ulethe udaba ekunaka komphakathi!

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Kla.Tv isebenza ngokuzithandela futhi imahhala njengomgomo.

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Umvuzo wethu oyedwa utholakala ekusabalaliseni izinhlelo zethu.

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Ngiyabonga kakhulu.