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We welcome Prof. Stefan Homburg to our live studio today.

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He was Director of the Institute of Public Finance at Leibniz
Universität Hannover from 1997 to 2021. Welcome once again.

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Back in 2020, you were one of the first to point
out the irregularities in the coronavirus narrative.

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It is now 2026 and various committees of inquiry are under way.

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There is a commission of inquiry in Germany
and similar formats in other European countries.

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You have been involved in many commissions at home and abroad,
have been there as an expert and have made contributions.

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Some of these meetings were open to the public, others were not.

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That was a little irritating, because a matter that
affected such broad sections of the population - virtually

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everyone in the country - should also be discussed in public.

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That's why we've invited you today to find out
about the status of the coronavirus recovery,

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which you might not see in front of the cameras.

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Perhaps you can briefly summarize
(what) where we currently stand.

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Yes. Where are we at the moment?

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Well, you are right, there is a Bundestag
commission of inquiry, of which I am a member as an expert.

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And this Enquete Commission, some of its
meetings are not public and there are public hearings.

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All resolutions are made in closed sessions.

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And, yes, if you say you don't like it, I'm with you.

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But the majority simply do not want
the process to be more transparent.

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So there are also things going on in the
closed session that you don't want to show people.

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Or to put it another way, there are five
parliamentary groups in the Enquete Commission.

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Of the five political groups, four have actively
participated in the lockdown policy and are still

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defending it today, including the vaccination policy.

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And one group has a different opinion.

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And yes, as is so common in our democracy today,
everything is simply enforced by majority vote, with a firewall,

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so that minority rights are basically only rudimentary.

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And here's an example: We once requested that we
could also show graphics, just as you like to do.

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Because when people somehow say, yes,
this and that happened, it's all so vague.

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If you look at a graph, somehow from the Federal Statistical
Office or the RKI, then you can judge that much better.

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Four political groups said: "No, you can't show any graphics."

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Did you give any reasons for that?

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So originally it was said that it was not
legally possible because of copyright infringement.

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I said: "We are not violating copyright law if we, as the
Bundestag, as the highest constitutional body,

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show graphics from the federal authority
Destatis (Federal Statistical Office) or the RKI."

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I think they then had it checked for two months.

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And then they said: "Yes, you're right, let's
just vote on whether graphics can be shown."

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Zack - firewall, four factions, no, must not be shown.

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And that is a major obstacle to enlightenment.

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Because you can't get it across as well as in a
real reappraisal with just arms and legs and a

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very short speaking time in five-minute slots.

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Yes, that's what your program is all
about, where you show a lot of graphics.

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They are very instructive , so at this
point I can only recommend your entire channel.

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They also always quote the sources. This, too, is
always criminally omitted in the so-called quality media.

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I recently read another review and
then things are just put out there.

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And in the end they don't give any
sources either. So it's always a tactic.

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Is that also the case in the Enquete Commission, where you
are ultimately driven into a corner, so to speak, by arguments?

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No, the Enquete Commission does not argue at all.

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So we haven't discussed it for a second.

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There is no discussion, but the
closed meeting is about procedural issues.

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When do we make which
appointments? Which experts will be invited?

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How long may each group speak? That concludes it.

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And then comes the hearing. I don't
know if anyone has seen this before.

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The hearing works in such a way that the expert invited by
parliamentary group XY says something and is then questioned.

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And then the next group asks. Always in 5-minute slots
with a stopwatch hanging ostentatiously under the ceiling.

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And yes, after three hours the session is over.

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I recently made an attempt to discuss this.

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I have written an e-mail to all members of the
Enquete Commission with a substantive point.

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And then another professor from a
different group also replied to me.

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This was the first approach to a substantive discussion.

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And then the Chairwoman, Ms. Hoppermann, announced
via the Bundestag distribution list that it was

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undesirable to discuss via this e-mail distribution list.

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In other words, we can't discuss it in the
meeting, and we're not supposed to discuss it

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by email either - which I ignore, of course.

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But no exchange is desired. The matter is too clear for that.

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You can only find the truth by discussing things and
relating something to yourself, to the other person.

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Everyone presents their opinion, which they
already had beforehand, and leaves with their opinion.

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Yes. It's completely unproductive.

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Now there are people who said at the beginning:
"Yes, this Enquete Commission, it's no good at all!"

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And as far as, let's say, discussions
are concerned, that's absolutely right.

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Nevertheless, I think that the Enquete Commission,
together with the RKI files that were exposed at the time, is

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basically the most important element of the clarification.

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When former Federal Minister Spahn says in
the hearing that vaccination was never

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intended to protect others, that was never the aim.

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So many people reacted with such shock and then wrote me letters.

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"It was never the aim, not even of the WHO, when
developing vaccines, to protect third parties from infection.

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That is crystal clear. Vaccination makes a
difference, you protect yourself and others.

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Those who are vaccinated or have recovered will no
longer experience contact restrictions and curfews."

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In retrospect, Spahn acts as if
external protection was never the goal.

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But this facility-based compulsory vaccination, the compulsory
vaccination for soldiers, this 2G and 3G rule, i.e.

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this exclusion of unvaccinated people, was all
based on the assertion that vaccination protects others.

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And anyone who doesn't get vaccinated doesn't have this
external protection, is basically an asocial element, or

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as one prime minister put it so well, is out of society.

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And that's a very big eye-opener.

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Or Prof. Scheibenbogen, Carmen
Scheibenbogen, who is one of the fiercest advocates of

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vaccination, was asked about the spike protein.

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The spike protein in corona is the one that settles
on the mucous membrane and somehow makes you ill.

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And with the vaccination, you have it injected
into your body - in other words, the instructions.

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And she was asked about this, and then she
said: "Yes, the spike protein, that's dangerous.

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And unfortunately, this remains in the body
longer after the vaccination than we thought."

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That's all, of course, it's all on the Bundestag server, yes.

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This is all properly documented and, in my view, invaluable.

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Last example: Mr. Drosten had said in March 2020
that Corona is a cold, you won't even notice it.

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A week later, he said we would see scenes
like those from movies - so many people dying.

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I then asked him on what data he
based this change of opinion in one week.

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He couldn't answer it. He then said, "Your questions are
too confusing and too complex," although I really don't

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speak in a way that is perceived as confusing and complex.

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So everyone has seen - basically - Drosten had no substantive
arguments at all for his change of opinion,

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but has said this way and that about masks,
tests, vaccinations and the danger of the virus.

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You can find an opinion and a
counter-opinion on the Internet for every issue he raises.

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Yes. That's the reappraisal in Germany now, but it's good
to hear you say that it does bring something, in the long

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run, that they then betray themselves through their own words.

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Yes.

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What is it like in other European countries?

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You've also been to Austria,
Switzerland and Italy. Is it different there?

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You have similar mechanisms everywhere, only
sometimes some countries are luckier than others.

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So we've just been incredibly lucky in Germany.

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We are number one worldwide because an employee of
the RKI took heart and gave us 10 gigabytes of

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internal material that should never see the light of day.

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Then you read that the RKI wanted to sue the Ministry of Health
because they didn't think all this scaremongering made sense.

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You can see how the RKI is shocked internally
about vaccine damage, especially at AstraZeneca.

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Eight weeks later, Mr. Spahn issues a press release
stating that he has been vaccinated by AstraZeneca.

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Of course, nobody believes that. So we're ahead of the game.

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And at number two, I would clearly put the USA.

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So the USA has also achieved an incredible amount through its
technique of Senate hearings, which are also largely public.

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At the moment, the issue is that Mr. Fauci and his health
administration have partly falsified, but above all

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destroyed and suppressed documents and have not
answered requests under the Freedom of Information Act.

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As a result, we now have the first
indictment from a public prosecutor.

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So things are progressing slowly and slowly, step by step.

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But think back to 1945, when not everything was clear in 1946.

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First of all, nothing happened in Germany for 20
years. And then things slowly picked up speed.

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And people were still being sentenced 50 or 60 years later.

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Yes. And do you assume that the material that is now
coming to the public will lead to convictions later?

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Well, it's difficult to say in Germany, because we - I think we
have a very clear disadvantage as Germany, because unlike

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practically in the rest of the civilized
world, we have this obligation of the public

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prosecutor's office to follow instructions.

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It is well known that the European Court of Justice said at some
point that German public prosecutors are not allowed to issue

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European arrest warrants because they are not independent as
in other countries, but are subject to political instructions.

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It is quite clear that as long as there is no
political change in Germany, the

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instruction will be that no one will be charged at all.

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In the event of a political change, where of
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happen, the situation could change fundamentally.

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That's what Mr. Blome, the former Spiegel author, said so well.

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He said on television - against the background that he said at the
time: "I wish unvaccinated people all kinds of disadvantages."

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And he said that if there was a change of government,
even he could suddenly be persecuted for what he said.

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And that is why he would prefer the firewall parties to remain
in power, even if they are running our country into the ground.

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Let's come back to these other criminal
machinations that are in the background.

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You recently reported in a few programs
about what interesting things came out of the

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Epstein Files as "by-catch", as you called it.

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Among other things, it showed that he had worked
with Bill Gates back in 2011 to harness the WHO for

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their financial juggling, if you want to put it nicely.

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Well, not quite, but the funny thing is that from 2011, as you
rightly say, they started talking about pandemics

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and vaccinations and offshore vaccine financing
companies and all sorts of things in purely economic terms.

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And then years later you find an e-mail where Epstein
says that we now also have to get the WHO on board.

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Yes, just like now with our so-called 2020 pandemic,
doctors are basically largely left out in the cold.

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The whole thing is a business for
economists, lawyers, psychologists and sociologists.

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And they basically spent years, Gates and Epstein,
thinking about how to make money from pandemics.

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Then we had a big conference in 2015 with JP Morgan,
which was the biggest bank in the world at the time.

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For example, the president of the World Bank,
the head of JP Morgan and all sorts of people,

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except doctors, spoke about pandemic preparedness.

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And from the further course of events, there is a
strong suspicion that incredible financial incentives

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have been created for a pandemic to really break out.

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And the nice thing was that because the WHO was
practically completely under control financially, they

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were able to tell the WHO in 2009 to declare swine flu.

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Unfortunately, that was a shot in the arm. And
in 2020, the WHO was told to declare a pandemic.

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And that really hit the spot, but from a
medical point of view it was similar to 2009.

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For example, we have a mortality rate in
Germany in 2020 that lies between 2018 and 2019.

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So in 2018 we had a strong flu epidemic,
relatively high mortality. Very low in 2019.

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2020 in between - nobody would
think that anything bad had happened.

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We will only see an increase in the number of
deaths in the vaccination years 2021 and 2022.

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Of course, many people will immediately think, yes, but
only because the schools were closed and we were in lockdown.

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But there is also a study from the top journal Lancet,
on how mortality has developed in all European

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countries during this so-called pandemic from 2020 to 2023.

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And the result, as was to be expected, was that Sweden came out
on top - because it was the only country to stick to what was

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written in textbooks, guidelines and
directives, while all the others basically caused

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collateral damage by pursuing the wrong policies.

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So again, that I understand this correctly.

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There are no doctors sitting there who specialize in clinical
pictures, courses of disease, biological processes, but

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people who are primarily interested in how to market this
to the public and others who want to make money from it.

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Yes, a good example is the following.

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All the textbooks say that when a really dangerous
pandemic comes, even a layperson can see that you have to

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reassure people so that there is no collateral damage.

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So what did the then Federal
Minister of the Interior Seehofer do?

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In March 2020, he put together a special group with the
task of writing a shock paper. This was then also leaked.

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It says, for example, that it is important to make children
aware that if they do not wash their hands, they will

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infect their parents, who will then suffocate in agony at home.

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At home, because all the clinics are already overcrowded.

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That's how people were briefed via the press.

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So, and now you ask, who sat,
which doctors sat on this commission?

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The head of the commission was a German studies
doctoral student, then there was a sociologist and, I'm sorry

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to say, a few economists. Not a single medical doctor.

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At the same time, Stefan Kohn, the official responsible for
crises at the Federal Ministry of the Interior, who

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had 20 years of experience, wrote a paper saying that
lockdowns, school closures and so on were excessive.

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As a result, Seehofer immediately
suspended and then dismissed him.

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He was dismissed as a civil servant for life because he basically
said what almost everyone now considers to be true, at least off

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the record, namely that the measures were terribly excessive.

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Then why do such things have no legal consequences?

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So it is an abuse of office, for example by Seehofer.

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He is authorized to do so, but it was not justified.

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It was also an abuse of power within the WHO.

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In other words, just because they have the financial
upper hand, they are not allowed to use it to carry out

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their transactions, so to speak. It was insider trading.

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You also reported that Bill Gates is investing heavily in this
completely run-down company BioNTech - 55 million, if I remember

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correctly - and then selling it off at a profit in
2021 after the hype is over, and then mocking the

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other investors for holding such a piece of junk.

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And when things like this come out, or what you just said, this
panic paper, is it only because of this

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public prosecutor's office, which is bound by
instructions, that nothing happens there?

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No, there are several. For example,
you can't do anything about the WHO.

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It is based in Geneva and has immunity for everything it does.

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In other words, God knows what they could do.

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Even if everything is crystal
clear, you can't do anything about them.

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This is similar to the exemption from
liability for vaccine manufacturers.

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This means that there is basically only one option with
the WHO, which Trump has used, namely to withdraw from it.

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It is true, as you say, that the WHO is
basically an instrument of insider trading.

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If you know the WHO, you know which diseases will be
declared next, which pandemics and so on, and you can

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prepare for them by making purchases and buying companies.

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But insider trading is still
prohibited under international criminal law.

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No, but the WHO is immune under Swiss law.

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And then you would have to send soldiers to
Switzerland somehow, which we don't want.

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No, Switzerland has given them
immunity. That's nothing unique, by the way.

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This European stability mechanism, which serves to
bail out bankrupt states, also has such immunity.

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And as soon as I see a legal institution being given
immunity in a way that no federal ministry or

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chancellery has, I become suspicious and think to myself.

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Well, rightly so. So, the question for me is also, is
this mainly a business model so that the super-rich can

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enrich themselves even more? Or is there more to it than that?

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I don't know.

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I am often asked when I have shown someone figures and graphs and
they are completely convinced that this lockdown and

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vaccination policy was wrong, I end up being asked
the question, what motive did they have for doing it?

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And then I always have to say, firstly, I
don't know. And secondly, what kind of question.

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Who asks what motive Mao, Stalin or Pol Pot had?

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We don't know. It could be greed, domination, sadism.

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But it doesn't matter. As long as the deeds are clear,
you can assess them and, in the best case, bring charges.

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Yes. So that would be the next question.

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So why are these crimes not punished?

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Yes, it's difficult. So for several reasons.

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One point is that the public
prosecutor's office is bound by instructions.

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But there is something even more difficult. The
main problem is that too many people have taken part.

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So, they can always prosecute criminals if
there are few criminals and many non-criminals.

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The non-criminals are in the vast majority, and that is now
somehow the case with assault, theft and so on, of course.

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But if you think about it, who has been
involved here during the coronavirus pandemic?

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It wasn't just the Minister
Presidents and the Federal Chancellor.

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Basically every university president, every
principal, every hospital director has taken part.

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Basically, almost every restaurant operator who has basically
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that if you are not triple vaccinated, you will not come in here.

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In other words, there are so many people who now
basically have a guilty conscience and also have

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a strong interest in this simply being forgotten.

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It's similar to 1945, when there were trials, but
they were conducted by the Allies and not by us.

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So the Nuremberg trials. And that makes the whole
thing difficult, so that only in individual cases,

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with really extreme people, is a conviction plausible.

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The Fauci, Anthony Fauci, for example, is very interesting.

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Now his closest employee has been charged.

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For him, the statute of limitations will expire in ten days.

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And nobody knows how it works. And for new deeds.

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After all, he had been pardoned by both, the
Fauci, in a unique and unprecedented way that must

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ring alarm bells for anyone with an ounce of sense.

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Namely, Biden has pardoned Fauci as the world's
number one of this fake pandemic, for all sorts of deeds.

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So not specifically for everything he did.

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Where he wasn't even convicted yet.

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Yes, wasn't even charged yet. There
wasn't even a preliminary investigation.

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Biden pardoned him, but only until the day Biden left office.

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And now it would be possible to charge Fauci with
perjury, with new offenses, because he testified falsely.

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Or, in the best-case scenario, it is discovered that Biden's
pardon only comes from a signature machine and is invalid.

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But that's legally controversial and I'm not involved.

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Yes. This inclusion of several perpetrators is interesting,
because the - here we actually come back to this Epstein network,

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which is obviously very typical there, that
they turn the former victims into

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perpetrators and thus make their network impenetrable.

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There are then individuals who can break out.

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We've brought that up in many programs about all
this ritual abuse. And it's very reminiscent of that.

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It's actually interesting that this man is also
involved in these things, because that's a certain

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way of thinking, how you make yourself unassailable.

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Yes, it is a pattern. It's basically the actions of the powerful.

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If you ask yourself, why does the US law say Trump has to release
all the Epstein files, with only the victims' names

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blacked out, and then you see that it's all perpetrators'
names, so almost all the perpetrators' names are blacked out.

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Then you can see that there is an "esprit de corps"
, so they stick together and cover for each other.

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So that only individual people in Norway or
Prince Andrew in the UK or this Ms.

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Sigl-Glöckner from the SPD suddenly appear unblackened.

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While most of the worst correspondence is simply unknown.

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What would you say, in summary, what can the
person on the street do, what can you do,

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if it's all so clumsy, legally unassailable?

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Only individual offenders, some insignificant
people might be arrested or dragged before the press.

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They are also in the hands of the powerful. What do you do then?

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So you shouldn't be so pessimistic.

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So, a lot has happened in the last six
years. A lot of people have woken up.

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In my view, it is very important to be aware of manipulation
by governments and their media. So in particular the ÖRR .

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Because these manipulations: By
manipulations, I specifically mean that they published

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PCR figures in 2020 that never existed before.

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Internally, the RKI has written that
the hospitals are severely understaffed.

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But to the outside world they said these PCR figures are so bad,
we have to keep schools and stores closed, otherwise there will

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be exponential growth. So people have been totally manipulated.

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What is interesting now is the spring of 2022, when this
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But there was no lockdown and the
whole thing didn't make the news. Why?

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Because the war in Ukraine had just
broken out and they had other things to do.

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So the whole thing was purely a media fiction.

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And my point is that there are many of these media fictions.

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And the more people who are
mentally prepared for this, the better.

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After all, a government can only implement
such a course if most people go along with it.

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And the issue of manipulation is not peculiar to
corona, but we have the same with climate, we also have

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the same with war and these are of course major dangers.

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If I may say so, climate too, we're here in Lower Saxony,
but it's like this all over Germany, I looked at my

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display on Monday and saw sunshine forecast for the whole week.

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In the past, I would have just been happy about it.

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But because I'm a quick thinker, I thought, oh
boy, the drought propaganda will be back this week.

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And yesterday, weather before
eight, Germany predominantly gray-brown.

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Here comes the drought again. And
no matter how green it is outside.

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Last year they took the first quarter and said that the first
quarter is always right because it's the driest in living memory.

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There was the Tagesschau, Lake Constance running dry and so on.

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Not a word this year in the first
quarter because it rained a lot.

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But now it has rained less in April and last night
on April 30 they come with the news of drought again.

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Simply to enforce this climate ideology.

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Basically, the only thing more
dangerous is anything to do with wars.

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Wherever it is said that we are under
total threat and must now rearm, rearm, rearm.

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According to the SIPRI, Germany is now number
four in the world in terms of military spending.

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Absolute or relative?

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Absolutely. So in terms of military spending,
we are only topped by the USA, China and Russia.

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And this despite the fact that we are surrounded by
friendly and militarily very strong states, i.e. Scandinavia,

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Poland and so on, France, none of whom want to attack us.

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Nevertheless, the narrative that Russia
wants to attack us is simply being maintained.

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Russia, which has been trying for four years to conquer the
Donbass - an area with the economic importance of roughly the

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Saarland - and has failed to do so for four years, is then told
that yes, they will also overrun the remaining

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thousand kilometers of Ukraine and then they will
overrun Poland and then they will be on our border.

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Yes, that's such a very strange narrative, that on the
one hand they say, yes, the Russians are too weak to ...

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Always alternating, yes.

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Always alternating. And that's how it seems to me,
then there's a pandemic, then there's war, then

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there's another financial crisis, then there's ...

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Absolutely, it's coming off. And it's so hypocritical when our
government members somehow say, yes, we're having a

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really hard time, nobody has experienced so many
crises in a row, but it's basically all of our own doing.

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Next, as you indirectly mentioned in your last
sentence, comes the financial crisis, this time

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not with Greece, but with Germany at the center.

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So, you're arguing that you should ...

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... talks a lot, writes a lot, e-mails a lot.

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I think the WhatsApp status is a very good
tool, even if some people say it's dangerous.

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Because your programs, for example, are only watched by
people who already have a certain level of open-mindedness.

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The others say, no, I don't want to
watch it, I only watch Tagesschau and Heute.

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If you put a graphic or something like that or
an insight in your WhatsApp status, people who

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don't actually want to see it will see it too.

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So, the electrician who was at your house the other day, your
daughter's teacher, all the people you have in your

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contact list see something like this, which is why
it's basically a very effective method of dissemination.

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However, I have to say that some people also
say that this would have led to your dismissal.

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So you also have to think about who will see it.

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Yes. But of course you're also the sort, as
we've noticed, you're not intimidated by that.

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So thank you very much for the good work you do with your own
channel, for always stepping into the breach and

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giving people reliable information that can be
passed on without having to hang any propaganda on it!

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The figures, data and graphics speak for themselves.

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And right, yes.

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Then thank you very much for that and
thank you very much for this interview!

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Thank you too!

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