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<b>[WERE WE RAISED TO BE SLAVES?</b>

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<b> The domination of the nursery is the
greatest political concern in order to be</b>

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able to rule over people who then grow up.

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<b> [CAN WE FORCE PEOPLE TO WAKE UP?</b>

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<b> How do I have to shape my message so that people join in?</b>

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<b>My first response is always, forget that</b>.

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<b>You can't get people through the messages</b>.

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<b>They have to go through their own experience</b>.

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<b>They have to experience pain themselves</b>.

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<b> </b>

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<b> Division is a principle to prevent protest movements from
achieving exactly that, namely to bundle</b>

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around one person and make the protest capable of
winning a majority and capable of governing.

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<b> </b>

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<b> The more people focus on the essential conflicts, the less
energy is wasted and suffering caused in these petty wars</b>.

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<b> </b>

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<b> This can actually happen relatively quickly and even
seamlessly by a few people joining forces here and there.</b>

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<b> </b>

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<b> </b>

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<b> Change begins with a simple question.</b>

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<b>What can we do?</b>

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<b>This was precisely the question at the heart of the Freedom
Barometer 2025, which I conducted together with the A-WEF.</b</b>

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<b> An online survey in which more than
an incredible 22,000 people took part</b>.

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<b>22,000 people who have given a clear answer</b>.

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<b>They have had enough</b>.

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<b>Enough of political paternalism, enough of media
manipulation, enough of an undermined democracy</b>.

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<b>The will to stand up against this is
great, but the blockades are just as great</b>.

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<b> We really want to know</b>.

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<b>What paralyzes peaceful protest and what is
needed to finally turn frustration into movement?</b>

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<b> So I continued my search and I found answers.</b>

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<b>Dear viewers, you are about to
hear concentrated expertise</b>.

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<b>The essence of more than 10 hours of
interviews with seven renowned academics</b>.

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<b>From the historian to the
psychoanalyst to the communication scientist</b>.

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<b> Top-class experts in their field who shed light
on our key issues from different perspectives:</b>

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<b> Seven courageous people who ask uncomfortable
questions and give equally uncomfortable answers</b>.

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<b>Those who question and who stand up for change themselves</b>.

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<b>They raise their voices</b>.

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<b>And together we have held in-depth discussions on how
we can succeed in joining forces for a better future.</b>

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<b>How we can be strong together against division,
corruption, lies and propaganda, against tyranny and</b>

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war. And for peace, freedom, humanity and honesty.

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<b> Even if we don't agree on everything,
there are common goals that unite us</b>.

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<b> And that's exactly how it will
be for you too, dear viewers.</b</b>

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<b>Because you have also switched on to find
out how dissatisfaction can become change.</b>

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<b>What hurdles there are, what opportunities
there are and what you can contribute yourself</b>.

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<b> And I can tell you: if you ask yourself
these questions, you've already taken a big first</b>

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step. Because change starts with yourself.

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<b>The individual is far more powerful
than they often think of themselves. </b>

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<b> The domination of the nursery is the
greatest political concern in order to be able to</b>

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rule over people who then become adults.

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<b>Most people are alienated from themselves</b>.

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<b>Through upbringing, through relationship mistakes,
that they can't become the way they are meant to be, the</b>

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way they want to develop, but the way they have to become.

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<b>In the end, however, most children
manage to adapt to expectations</b>.

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<b> Adaptation as a survival strategy, as
Dr. Hans-Joachim Maaz describes it</b>.

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<b>Something that many people learn very early on</b>.

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<b>Whoever meets expectations gets recognition</b>.

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<b>If you blend in, you won't stand out</b>.

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<b>And you are often even rewarded for it</b>.

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<b>This pattern can work for a long time</b>.

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<b>Some people get through life well with it</b>.

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<b>It becomes problematic when something changes</b>.

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<b>When the world becomes more
uncertain, when old rules no longer apply</b>.

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<b>When social upheavals shake up your own world view</b</b>

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<b>When the old adaptation behavior no longer feels right</b>.

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<b>Then, a crisis can occur</b>.

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<b>Something should actually happen at this point</b>.

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<b>You have to look inwards, deal
honestly with your own history</b>.

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<b>But that's exactly what many
people avoid because it hurts</b>.

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<b>Because it calls into question
everything you've built your life on</b>.

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<b> Instead of changing something, many
remain conformist - even as adults</b>.

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<b>Even when they have long felt that they are dissatisfied</b>.

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<b>From his therapeutic work, Dr. Maaz reports
that some people even become ill because they</b>

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have bent and lied to themselves for years.

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<b> And now comes something that many may be familiar with</b>.

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<b>When people start to release this
pattern, they often feel better inside</b>.

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<b>But it becomes more difficult on the outside</b>.

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<b>Relationships are changing</b>.

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<b>Tensions arise</b>.

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<b>This is generally very often the price
you pay when you start to see clearly</b>.

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<b>Something that many of the critical people who
woke up today had to experience first-hand.</b>

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<b> And this conflict doesn't just
affect adults, but children too.</b>

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<b>Because what happens when parents try to be
honest with their children, when they encourage them</b>

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to be themselves and question things critically?

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<b>Then these children often end up in
conflict, says Hans-Joachim Maaz</b>.

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<b>A conflict between what they experience at
home and what school and society expect of them</b>.

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<b> Basically, as parents we only have the chance to raise our
children in such a way that they fit into a</b>

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dysfunctional, normopathic society or we treat them
more humanely, more honestly, more openly.

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<b>Then the children have a big problem in
achieving success in a normopathic society</b>.

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<b> That's a tough finding.</b>

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<b>Parents are faced with a dilemma</b>.

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<b>If they adapt their children, they have a
better chance of keeping up with the system.</b>

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<b>If they raise their children openly, honestly and
critically, it often becomes more difficult for them.</b>

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<b>Harder in a school, harder in society</b>.

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<b>A tragic contradiction and one that needs to be discussed</b>.

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<b>In particular, how parents should really deal with this
dichotomy in order to ultimately achieve a free society</b>.

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<b>Whether the solution is really</b>

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<b>I for my part, at any rate, dare to doubt that it
lies in educating children to be dishonest and to act.</b>

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<b> So we see that the root of evil, conformity,
subservience and the inability to stand up for</b>

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one's rights often lies in childhood and youth.

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<b>If you have never learned to stand up for yourself,
you will also find it difficult to do so as an adult</b>.

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<b>Resolving all this is crucial if we want an
enlightened, responsible and autonomous society</b>.

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<b>But it's not something that can be done overnight</b>.

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<b>What can be changed immediately, however, is our
own behavior towards our fellow human beings</b>.

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<b>Right now</b>.

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<b>And that brings us to another big topic</b>.

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<b> </b>

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<b> All those who have managed to break out of
conformity and go through life independently, autonomously</b>

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and courageously have a great gift within them.

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<b>Clarity, courage, personal responsibility, the
ability to question and stand up for yourself</b>.

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<b>With this gift, they can also help others, those who
can't yet get out of their skin but perhaps want to.</b>

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<b>But this requires community,
exchange, support and networks</b>.

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<b>Because, as the saying goes, we are only
strong together. And yes, that's exactly how it</b>

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is. Alone, you often come to a standstill.

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<b> The Freedom Barometer 2025
shows that many people feel alone</b>.

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<b>They would like to get more involved,
but they lack community and cohesion</b>.

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<b>And the survey also clearly shows
that many recognize the following</b>.

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<b>The division, deliberately driven by the media and
politics, prevents a common impact for common goals</b>.

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<b> Political scientist and democracy researcher
Professor Ulrike Guérot is also clear about this</b>.

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<b> Division is a principle to prevent protest movements from
achieving exactly that, namely to bundle</b>

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around one person and make the protest capable of
winning a majority and capable of governing.

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<b> Division is no coincidence</b>.

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<b>It is an old principle of domination: divide and rule</b>.

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<b>Something that has been used for several millennia</b>.

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<b>Today it's left versus right, vaccinated
versus unvaccinated, woman versus man</b>.

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<b>The division, the opposition, is everywhere</b>.

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<b>Leading politicians and their media are sowing
discord, stirring things up against each other, working</b>

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with contact guilt, dividing the good and the bad.

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<b>Most likely precisely so that the people
cannot unite, be strong together for higher</b>

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goals that would actually unite the many.

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<b>Peace, freedom, a just world, a good life for all</b>.

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<b> In order to work on this together, a dialog
would be needed, but this is being prevented</b>.

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<b>Instead, we get caught up in petty trench warfare, says
communication expert and psychologist Dr. Roman Braun.</b</b>

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<b>According to him, all our energies should
be wasted there, in these trench wars.</b>

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<b>We are supposed to be distracted while the real
machinations that really harm us happen in the background</b>.

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<b> When people realize that the opponent
is not the other citizen, but the</b>

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mechanisms behind it, then something changes.

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<b>Then there will be room for real action again</b>.

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<b>Division weakens</b>.

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<b>This is not only evident today, but also in history</b>.

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<b> The historian and philosopher Professor David Engels
points out that resistance always needs community</b>.

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<b>Without a common "we", protest remains ineffective</b>.

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<b>He talks about civil revolutions from times gone by,
which will hardly exist in the same form today because ...</b>

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<b> Such elements of resistance, of revolution, naturally
also require a correspondingly solidary civic community</b>

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or mass of the people, or whatever you should call it.

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<b> The other problem, however, is that most of these people in
Europe no longer recognize themselves, because they</b>

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are so fragmented by identity politics and migration
that there is no longer any natural solidarity.

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<b> When people no longer feel connected, it
becomes difficult to stand up for something together</b>.

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<b>If everyone is only fighting for
themselves, there is no power for change</b>.

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<b>And that's exactly what we often experience today</b>.

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<b> </b>

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<b> Values are what holds societies together,
what makes them strong and unites them</b>.

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<b>Values are also what sustains people, what gives them
orientation and what makes them willing to take risks</b>.

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<b>Professor Engels says clearly: without higher values that
point beyond one's own life and personal happiness, hardly anyone</b>

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will stand up for goals such as peace, freedom or justice.

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<b>At least as long as he is not directly affected himself</b>.

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<b>He currently sees this as a central problem when
it comes to protesting against current injustices.</b>

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<b>Many people still live too comfortably to
leave their comfort zone, especially when their own</b>

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well-being is considered the greatest good.

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<b>It is precisely then that the willingness to
risk it for overarching goals is lacking</b>.

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<b>For the Christian Professor Engels, the cause of
this deficiency lies above all in a lack of faith.</b>

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<b> The problem is that in a society in which there is no longer
any real absolute truth and in which one's own life is actually</b>

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seen in a very materialistic way, in which people no longer
believe in a truth, no longer believe in God, no longer believe

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in an afterlife, no longer believe in absolutes,
but actually only see their own little local

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life as the most important and absolute thing.

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<b>In such a situation, we naturally have little reason to
actually take to the streets, to sacrifice</b>

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something, to sacrifice comfort, perhaps to
sacrifice our own lives for a higher purpose.

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<b> Of course, an unjust regime can go quite
far before people take to the streets.</b>

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<b>At the same time, people's solidarity has been broken up by
mass migration, identity politics and family disintegration.</b>

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<b>Even the family is now fragmented</b>.

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<b>This means that there is actually very
little left, at least on the part of</b>

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Europeans, that is worth fighting for in any way.

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<b> As long as your life is reasonably
comfortable, you often stay put.</b>

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<b>Comfort makes you calm. And that's part of the problem</b>.

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<b>Professor Engels puts faith in God at the
center when he speaks of higher values</b>.

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<b>Human beings can, of course, also be supported by other,
overriding values that motivate them and give them strength.</b</b>

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<b> It is crucial that we only leave our
comfort zone if we want to achieve more in this</b>

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world than simply maximizing our own happiness.

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<b>Social scientist Günter Roth points to a similar core</b>.

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<b>He puts it matter-of-factly: those who only weigh up
whether protest is worthwhile rarely become active.</b>

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<b>But many would do exactly that</b>.

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<b>They decide whether to take action
based purely on a cost-benefit analysis</b>.

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<b>And it is often more worthwhile to stay still.</b>

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<b> And it's also true, as we know from experiments on helping
behavior: The more people watch, the more people see a problem</b>

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or an accident, the less likely it is that someone will help.</b

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<b>The greater the likelihood that
everyone is waiting for the others</b>.

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<b>Unfortunately, we are oversaturated and we
also live in an extremely affluent society.</b>

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<b> Many come to terms.</b>

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<b>Others are withdrawing</b>.

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<b>Others emigrate</b>.

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<b>Protest is postponed or abandoned altogether</b>.

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<b> Political scientist Professor Ulrike
Guérot also sees this as a major problem.</b>

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<b>She talks about retreat and flight as the main
problem when it comes to the question: Who actually stands up?</b>

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<b> I think the bigger problem instead of
protest and the ineffectiveness of protest is</b>

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almost this tendency towards privatization.

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<b>I'm exhausted, I can't take any more,
it's no use. We're not getting anywhere.</b>

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<b> Yes, many people are discouraged. Many
emigrate out of fear of what is to come.</b</b>

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<b>Others take their protests abroad because
they fear personal consequences at home.</b>

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<b>This fear of individual disadvantages
generally prevents many people from expressing</b>

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themselves publicly or getting involved in any way.

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<b>A problem that communication
scientist Michael Meyen also addresses.</b</b>

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<b> Mayen puts it clearly</b>.

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<b>It is labeled. A label is stuck on those
who protest or simply question critically</b>.

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<b>They are maligned and they are belittled. So
that we don't find out the following truth:</b>

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<b> </b>

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<b> Yes exactly, there are many of us</b>.

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<b>Much more than we think</b>.

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<b>Because those who stand up against injustice, who
warn and point out lies, are deliberately kept down</b>.

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<b>This makes their number appear smaller, their
influence weaker and their value lower than it actually is.</b>

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<b>However, this perception corresponds less to
reality and more to the result of successful propaganda</b>.

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<b>Young people in particular are put off by this</b>.

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<b>Those who still have a lot to lose and therefore
shy away from siding with the swearers or</b>

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right-wing extremists or whatever other labels there are.

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<b>Communication scientist Michael Meyen makes
it clear: there is potential for protest.</b</b>

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<b>It's not small either, but it's unevenly distributed</b>.

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<b> We know roughly that this protest
potential is a third of the population.</b>

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<b>We also know where this protest
potential is based or lives</b>.

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<b>It tends to be an older clientele, a more rural clientele.
Rather not successful entrepreneurs. No one who is still</b>

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dependent on receiving anything for free from the state.

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<b> When in doubt, young people risk everything</b>.

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<b>We know this from the history of the revolution</b>.

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<b>It was always young people who brought about change, because
they were prepared to risk a lot for a very long life.</b>

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<b>This is more difficult with older people</b>.

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<b>It's much more difficult in the countryside</b>.

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<b>It is particularly difficult when you know that power - where
it is determined how reality is to be interpreted -</b>

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is now in the university cities, in the big cities,
and not where there is more potential for protest.

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<b> And on top of that, the reinterpretation
of history would discourage young people.</b>

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<b> If we look into the past, we see that everything
that happened before 1933 is now being labeled as the</b>

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prehistory of National Socialism in Germany's dark past.

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<b>This makes it difficult to refer to positive
things from the centuries, the years before.</b>

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<b>The Germans, for example, are constantly being
told that such-and-such a revolution is useless</b>.

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<b>Every revolution in Germany has failed</b>.

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<b> Not true at all, if you take a closer look at things. </b>

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<b>If you look at the 1848 revolution in its long-term
effects, if you look at the 1918 revolution, the sailors'</b>

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uprising; if you look at the '89 revolution in the GDR.

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<b>In the narrative, in the narratives about this
revolution, however, the important things are suppressed</b>.

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<b>If I am not told that the revolutions seem to have failed at
first because the revolutionaries were not prepared to resort to</b>

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the last resort - namely simply killing
their opponents - but instead opted for

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negotiations, for normal human interaction. 

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<b>If I'm not told that, then I don't understand
why the revolutionaries of 1848 were either dead, fled</b>

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to America or disappeared into insignificance.

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<b> And then there's something else.</b>

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<b>People are told that they alone
are part of a crazy minority</b>.

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<b>This works by simply not showing protest</b>.

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<b>This prevents others from joining in. And also that a
public discourse on the criticized topics arises at all.</b>

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<b>For political scientist Ulrike Guérot, it is therefore
clear that protest can only be effective if it is visible.</b>

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<b>However, this is often not the case. </b>

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<b>Especially not when protest displeases the ruling regime</b>.

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<b>It is therefore often not
because there is too little protest</b>.

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<b>The problem lies primarily elsewhere</b>.

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<b> In other words, I think we
actually have a lot of protest.</b>

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<b>The problem is that the protest is going nowhere</b>.

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<b>The protest does not seem to be articulated somehow, that
legislation is changed, that resignations are made, that trust is</b>

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restored. In other words, that somehow measures are being taken
where people can then also see: The protest has borne fruit.

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<b> That is, my question is not
whether we are demonstrating enough</b>.

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<b>My question is: where is the protest?</b>

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<b>That's my first question. And it
doesn't seem to be going anywhere.</b>

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<b> And the second question is:
Which protest is the good protest today?</b>

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<b>Because we basically have a landscape of opinion
that is fundamentally divided. And in this respect, we</b>

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already differentiate between protest as good or bad.

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<b> For example, when we have protests like last
year - everyone against the right - then that's good</b>

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protest. It's shown everywhere, in all the media.

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<b> But when, as recently in The Hague, for example, there
were really, really big protests against Gaza, against</b>

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the genocide in the Gaza Strip, then that is not shown.

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<b>We also have the question: Which protest will be shown?</b>

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<b> In recent years, we have a situation
where protesting as a disturbance of public order</b>

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is also prohibited by law, so to speak. 

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<b>And that is why the protest is
becoming increasingly quiet</b>.

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<b> The situation in science, the field in which
knowledge is created, is similar to that of protest.</b>

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<b>Knowledge on the basis of which politics, medicine
and ultimately society as a whole make decisions</b>.

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<b>But here, too, only certain narratives are permitted</b>.

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<b>Different research approaches are often
discredited by framings such as right-wing extremist or dubious</b>

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and thus rendered untrustworthy from the outset.

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<b> But there are also colleagues here who say,
no, we no longer need the controversy</b>

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requirement for some things, such as climate change, yes.

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<b>And I found that quite interesting, because this colleague on
climate change then said that he would like to take a factual</b>

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analysis first to show that this is not controversial at all.

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<b>So now, naive as I am, I thought: Okay, he's going to
present some climate data or climate correlations there.</b>

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<b>But he didn't at all</b>.

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<b>He took a study that shows that in Europe,
climate change is mainly questioned by radical</b>

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right-wing or far-right parties, so to speak.

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<b>And therefore, because they are
unconstitutional, they should not be dealt with</b>.

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<b>So if something like this is even taken seriously as
a scientific statement, then we have a real problem.</b>

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<b> Many hold back. Many prefer to say
nothing. For a variety of reasons:</b>

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<b>This can be caution, or fear, or
insecurity, or simply a lack of options.</b>

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<b>Ulrike Guérot takes a similar view</b>.

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<b>She also says it can't go on like this</b>.

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<b>Protest must become louder. And it needs to get bigger. </b>

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<b>Because only then would we have a chance of it being seen</b>.

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<b> In other words, what we are talking about is that
citizens want to express their displeasure and that</b>

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this displeasure translates into political change.

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<b>And that simply doesn't happen anymore.
Neither via online protest nor via analog protest.</b>

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<b>Now the question is whether this is
still the right form of protest</b>.

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<b>The answer is actually no</b>.

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<b>And the question would be: Where
could one then start the protest?</b>

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<b> Of course, other radical forms of protest could work</b>.

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<b>I'm going to say general strike</b>.

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<b>For example, that we don't want to go to war</b>.

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<b> Other forms of protest could of course be to
withdraw from things on an individual level, so to speak.</b>

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<b>The only thing I can say is that they are very expensive</b>.

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<b>You have to be very committed. You have to do
a lot of research to say: I won't go there, I</b>

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won't pay for it. I'm not going there anymore.

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<b>I don't know, I don't buy from
Amazon. I only pay with cash now.</b>

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<b>So of course you can do all that. And these
are very specific personal denial strategies</b>.

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<b> But the real question is how long you can keep this up</b>.

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<b> In this respect, I think these are the
forms of protest: Demonstrations, general</b>

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strike, individual protest on a small scale.

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<b> How can we get as many people as possible to participate?</b>

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<b>Many believe that the right message just needs to be
communicated correctly, that the lack of willingness</b>

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to participate is primarily a communication problem.

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<b>False indication, says Michael Meyen</b>.

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<b>It was about something completely different</b>.

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<b> This is a question that is almost always the
very first thing I am asked as a media researcher.</b</b>

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<b>How do I have to shape my message so that people join in?</b>

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<b>My first response is always: Forget it</b>.

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<b>You don't get people through the messages,
they have to go through their own experience</b>.

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<b>They have to experience pain themselves, they have to realize
that something has to change so that they feel better</b>.

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<b>You won't get people to do things that you yourself
believe need to be done with communication messages alone</b>.

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<b>This is a problem</b>.

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<b>It's also a problem because we know that
the life cycle requires a certain amount of</b>

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time before you can have such experiences.

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<b>Until you experience that you are
hitting walls, that you can't go any further</b>.

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<b>In my research, I have always asked what leads to one person
ending up on the protest side and the other</b>

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person financing the Antifa or standing with
grannies against the right or similar groups.

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<b>And it is always an experience that clashes with the narrative
that is disseminated via the state media or</b>

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other educational channels, universities,
schools, adult education centers, museums.

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<b>It has to be a personal experience</b>.

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<b> That takes time, especially when you're
young, when you're still trying to get in.</b>

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<b>I wouldn't judge young people at all</b>.

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<b>They have to build their own lives first</b>.

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<b>They also have to adapt. </b>

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<b>They have to try to get into a position</b>.

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<b>And then at some point they will find out
that things might not work out for them either.</b>

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<b>You have to be patient and work
less on the design of the messages</b>.

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<b> This mandatory vaccination would have been
something that would have gone into the body</b>.

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<b>And people were ready, regardless of the communication,
every Monday - even when the weather wasn't good.</b>

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<b> So it literally has to be up to
the people, says Michael Meyen.</b>

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<b>Much more than a little pinch in the wallet</b>.

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<b>It really has to be something that
threatens your existence, your life</b>.

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<b>Only then are many people ready
to leave their comfort zone</b>.

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<b>The only problem is that by then it can often be too late</b>.

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<b> David Engels is also skeptical when it
comes to broad resistance among the population</b>.

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<b>The citizens are too lethargic</b>.

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<b>Many did not want to play an active role in
shaping things, but preferred to let them happen.</b>

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<b>In the end, history teaches us, a few
will once again decide the fate of many.</b>

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<b>In the end, another elite will
prevail and drive change forward.</b>

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<b>In Professor Engels' view, we need to
move away from the idea of fundamental,</b>

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grassroots democratic change on a large scale.</b

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<b>The historian also cites the
coronavirus era as an example</b>.

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<b>Other than Michael Meyen, however, as a negative example</b>.

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<b>David Engels says that, overall, the system has got
away relatively well with its authoritarian approach.</b>

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<b>Even if there was resistance, it was
limited in relation to the overall population.</b>

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<b>Only a few would have actually rebelled openly</b>.

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<b> The saying goes: strategy beats mass</b>.

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<b>It's not necessarily about reaching more
and more people or motivating new ones</b>.

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<b>Much more important is something else</b>.

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<b>Those who are already prepared to fight for
a better future today should unite better</b>.

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<b>They need to pursue a clearer strategy and
become more capable of acting together</b>.

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<b>David Engels thus clearly contradicts
Ulrike Guérot's view on one point.</b>

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<b>She says: protest movements must become
bigger and, above all, more visible</b>.

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<b>Michael Meyen points out, however, that motivating people to
protest is extremely difficult, especially through messages.</b>

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<b>In the end, the decisive factor is your own experience</b>.

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<b> Where are the similarities?</b>

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<b>What can we build on?</b>

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<b>The first point is clear:</b>

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<b> Change begins with ourselves, with the individual</b>.

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<b> However, many people have never
learned to take responsibility</b>.

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<b>They have learned to meet
expectations, avoid conflicts and adapt</b>.

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<b> And yet - there is great potential
in our countries, because they exist.</b>

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<b>People with higher values</b>.

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<b>People who live self-determined lives, who
take responsibility and who build bridges</b>.

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<b> And here I am with David Engels</b>.

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<b>We don't need the masses</b>.

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<b>There is no shortage of people</b>.

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<b>There is a lack of connection</b>.

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<b>Change does not start with the masses</b>.

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<b>It starts with the individual</b>.

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<b>So the question is: what can
the individual do in concrete terms?</b>

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<b>Here and now</b>.

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<b>This is exactly what the outlook is all about</b>.

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<b> [OUTLOOK: WHAT TO DO?</b>

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<b> Many people want to do something</b>.

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<b>The will is there</b>.

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<b>What is often missing is direction</b>.

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<b>So the first step is not to ask how we can get
more people to get involved, but rather: What can</b>

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those who are already willing to do actually do?

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<b>I also asked the numerous interviewees in the
course of this documentary the same question.</b</b>

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<b>And the result was five concrete measures
that everyone can implement immediately</b>.

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<b> Measure 1:</b>

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<b>Build communities and network</b>

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<b> Besides patience, my second piece
of advice is actually networking</b>.

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<b>This is an important point</b>.

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<b>The milieus have found each other. The
protest milieus have found each other</b>.

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<b>There are groups all over the German-speaking world that meet
regularly, that work on content, that have come together</b>.

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<b>Even if it's only because they are concerned with nutrition,
because they are thinking about how they can design their</b>

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garden in such a way that they can provide for themselves.

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<b>These structures must be kept alive in order to be ready when
an opportunity arises to be able to implement</b>

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what is central for many, democracy to have a
say in the conditions under which one lives.

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<b> What we have to do is build from the bottom up.</b>

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<b>This is fundamental, that we must not put all our cards on
politics, but: We must first rebuild this resilient civic civil</b>

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society from below, which can also defend itself against it.

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<b> Measure 2: Speak your mind The second concrete measure
that everyone can implement immediately is: Speak your mind.</b>

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<b>Disseminate information and support
independent media, because information is everything</b>.

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<b> Information is the key</b>.

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<b>You only have to look at what the other
side is doing to control information</b>.

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<b>Whoever can define today, whoever can determine today
what we all perceive as reality, has power, can rule.</b>

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<b> So we have to help our fellow human beings to get out of the
bubbles that have been produced by the</b>

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consciousness industry, which are supported in many
ways, if you look at this whole NGO complex.

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<b>So people who are paid from taxpayers' money
to reinforce messages, to get messages across</b>

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to people that they find in the state media.

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<b>If you look at it, that's the way to go</b>.

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<b>So if you don't take a stand, you
have no chance of living in freedom</b>.

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<b> I found it very exciting that 'speaking your mind out loud'
is an important form of protest. And that's actually true.</b>

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<b>If you take communication theory, especially Elisabeth
Nolle-Neumann's theory of the spiral of silence, then this</b>

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is a means of breaking up processes of standardization.

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<b> This theory of the spiral of silence says that
humans have a fear of isolation, that this is our</b>

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greatest fear, to be excluded from the association.

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<b>If the leading media report consistently over a long period of
time and I disagree, then at some point, according to</b>

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this theory, I will stop speaking out publicly because I
have to worry about being excluded from the association.

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<b> But out there on the street, I see people
standing at stalls who have a different opinion.</b>

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<b>I'm listening - I suddenly heard
something else from the next table in the pub.</b>

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<b>In the train compartment, people
were talking quite differently</b>.

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<b>There was someone sitting on the
beach with a Kontrafunk towel</b>.

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<b>So obviously there are opposing positions after all</b>.

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<b> This then encourages people who would
otherwise not dare to speak their mind.</b>

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<b>So I find it very exciting that this has obviously been
recognized by the people who took part in this survey.</b>

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<b> Measure 3: Define your own and common goals Unfortunately,
the third concrete measure is often overlooked</b>.

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<b>At the same time, it is crucial</b>.

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<b>Even if it is not easy</b>.

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<b>It's about defining your own and common goals</b>.

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<b>Because if we don't know where we want to
go, what we are fighting for and not always</b>

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against, then everything ends in chaos.

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<b>Without clear goals, there is no strategy,
no bundling of forces and no convincing answer</b>

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for others who ask why should I participate?

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<b>If you can't say what you stand
for, you can't take anyone with you</b>.

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<b> So there is a threshold from
thinking and feeling to acting</b>.

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<b>The saying often goes that the journey
is the reward, which is almost true.</b>

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<b>So we need a goal to get an idea of a path at all.</b>

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<b>When I have the goal, I know, ah, this is the way.</b>

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<b> And then we need the way to have the courage to set out.</b>

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<b>We need an idea of the path</b>.

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<b>So I come from the goal to the path and
from the path I come to the departure</b>.

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<b>And there is no way</b>.

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<b>The people see no way</b>.

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<b>So they say you're looking for a way out, right?</b>

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<b>There we are. So we are searching for the way.</b>

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<b>And if the path is not clear, I don't need to set out</b>.

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<b>I don't need to get up</b>.

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<b>And the question is also whether the goal is clear</b>.

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<b> The goals must also be clear</b>.

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<b>This is also an important point</b>.

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<b>It must be an easily achievable - not easily
achievable, but a concrete achievable goal</b>.

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<b>Not against hunger or poverty in
general, but very specifically</b>.

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<b> Measure 4: Self-reflection The fourth
concrete measure that each individual can implement</b>

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immediately is one that is very unpopular.

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<b>To reflect on yourself</b>.

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<b>Something that many people don't like to hear</b>.

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<b>I know there will be an immediate backlash</b>.

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<b>What does all this have to do with me?</b>

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<b> If I start by looking at myself, what is my part in the
conflict or in the unhappiness that I am experiencing, I actually</b>

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have the best, but perhaps only, chance to change something.

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<b>So with the realization about my part, about
myself, I have a chance to do something</b>

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different with myself, to change, to develop myself.

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<b>I basically have this power over no one</b>.

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<b> Measure 5: Take action Let's now move on to the fifth and
final measure, which everyone can implement immediately.</b>

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<b>And that is acting, yes, acting</b>.

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<b>No matter what - but start with it</b>.

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<b>Because you experience self-efficacy by doing it yourself</b>.

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<b>Taking action gives us strength and hope
because we can see how things get moving</b>.

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<b>We see that we can make a difference as
individuals. Even if it is often only on a small scale</b>.

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<b>But every contribution counts. Even if
it's just about being a role model</b>.

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<b> Our freedom is much more than putting a cross in
some voting booth once every four or five years.</b>

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<b>Our freedom lies in the fact that we must live according
to our ideals at every moment, with all the consequences.</b>

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<b>And that ultimately means</b>

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<b>To become a role model</b>.

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<b>Becoming a role model for yourself</b>.

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<b>Becoming a role model in front of his family</b>.

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<b>Being a role model for those around him</b>.

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<b>Practicing every action in such a way that you
can look yourself in the mirror in the morning and</b>

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say, yes, I am living according to my ideals.

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<b>Yes, this world I live in is perhaps suboptimal</b>.

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<b>It may even be dystopian</b>.

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<b>Maybe I'm risking a lot with this</b>.

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<b>But I live this freedom in my individual life</b>.

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<b> I think that only when a significant number of people
actually come to want to become role models</b>

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themselves, to live what they want society as a whole to
become one day, only then can progress be made.

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<b>And that is of course the important step</b>.

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<b> We should be who we are and act as we are</b>.

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<b>Not because we hope it will have any impact on history
or politics in general, but because we believe in it.</b>

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<b>And that's why I think that this hand attitude Etiam si omnes
ego non, even if everyone else is doing</b>

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something, I'm still not going to do it, is the
action or is the attitude that we need.

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<b>To behave the way we want to, out of conviction</b>.

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<b>And even if we know that everything is doomed to fail,
even if we know that we are the only ones to do it anyway</b>.

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<b>From conviction, because it is our way, because
we believe that what is important is not something</b>

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that will somehow be written in the history books.

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<b> And if we then actually have citizens and, above all,
politicians who are role models themselves,</b>

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who are personally what they want society to
become, then change is actually possible.

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<b>And it doesn't need the many millions now either</b>.

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<b>Often all it takes is a personality who can really be a
genuine role model, where many people can say to themselves,</b>

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I want to be like that one day, that change is possible.

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<b>Think of the Middle Ages alone</b>.

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<b> What have people like Bernard de
Clairvaux or St. Benedict not achieved?</b>

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<b>By starting to found a monastery under their own steam, they
actually brought about the entire spiritual rebirth of</b>

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the West and were therefore role models for generations
and centuries of people who wanted to do the same.

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<b>It doesn't take millions of people to all
become like that. It often only takes one person or a</b>

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small group to transform an incredible amount.

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<b>But even that is apparently
very difficult today,</b> as I said.

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<b>But we have to get there</b>.

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<b>This is a matter for the individual</b>.

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<b> Yes, the individual can make a huge difference</b>.

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<b>Only by the fact that he is, that he
acts, is seen, relates to others</b>.

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<b>We ourselves cannot even imagine how much
each and every one of us actually achieves</b>.

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<b>We don't know how many people we have
become role models for in our lives. How few</b>

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words have often led to great developments.

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<b> Yes, we need other people in our lives. But no, we
don't necessarily need them to change the world</b>.

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<b>We can start now. Just for us alone</b>.

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<b> Then it's David against Goliath</b>.

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<b>We know that David will win in the end</b>.

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<b> Yes, David wins</b>.

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<b>And if you look closely at the story of David and
Goliath, we can see some parallels to our time.</b>

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<b>David did not try to fight like Goliath</b>.

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<b>He put on no armor. He didn't take a sword</b>.

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<b>He didn't go into hand-to-hand combat</b>.

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<b>David realized he would lose on this field</b>.

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<b>So he did something else</b>.

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<b> He used what he could, what he was
used to. His slingshot, his agility.</b>

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<b>And he kept his distance</b>.

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<b>Then he seized the moment, one single one.</b>

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<b>He targeted the one spot where Goliath was vulnerable</b>.

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<b>And that's exactly what made the difference</b>.

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<b>David didn't hesitate</b>.

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<b>He didn't wait for better conditions</b>.

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<b>He acted when the opportunity presented itself</b>.

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<b> And perhaps that is precisely
the decisive point for us today</b>.

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<b>Change does not mean playing by the rules of the powerful</b>.

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<b>It means recognizing your own
possibilities, your own strengths and having the</b>

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courage to use them when the moment is right.

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<b>We cannot force the opportunity itself</b>.

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<b> But we can be prepared, clearly, awake.
So that we don't hesitate when she comes</b>.

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<b> </b>

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<b></b>
