WEBVTT 00:00.392 --> 00:06.900 World War II is part of the human extermination strategy of the system to which we are subject. 00:06.900 --> 00:09.596 And here it is clear that the intention is to provoke. 00:09.596 --> 00:19.212 I feel very strange when I have the feeling that peoples, people don't even understand what they actually control. 00:19.212 --> 00:24.960 The crucial thing is that we are not governed by Merz, Scholz or Merkel. 00:24.960 --> 00:31.696 Because if we don't know what we should be working against, we obviously have zero chance of 00:31.696 --> 00:35.720 any real improvement in terms of people and peace. 00:35.720 --> 00:40.316 Kla.TV is in conversation with Christoph Hörstel today. Hello. 00:40.316 --> 00:42.780 Hello, thank you very much. 00:42.780 --> 00:50.765 Mr. Hörstel, an interview on YouTube a few days or weeks ago made quite a stir. 00:50.765 --> 01:02.196 A former KSK employee/member, i.e. from the Special Forces Command, says that the war was decided long ago. 01:02.196 --> 01:08.315 He is referring to the conflict with Russia, but also to the spreading world conflagration - you could just say that. 01:08.315 --> 01:14.337 He paints two scenarios, a worst-case scenario and a best-case scenario. 01:14.337 --> 01:18.246 But in my eyes, both would be a total disaster for humanity. 01:18.246 --> 01:26.988 Now, Mr. Hörstel, based on your really decades of experience and your worldwide contacts, how do you see it? 01:26.988 --> 01:37.990 Is there a really serious doomsday mood? Or what does that look like in your eyes? 01:37.990 --> 01:49.619 Yes, that's a serious question. That was a conversation between this ex-army soldier and the interviewer Marc Friedrich. 01:49.619 --> 02:00.138 And the worst-case scenario - i.e. a possibility of how things could develop in the worst conceivable way or in the 02:00.138 --> 02:06.540 best conceivable way - both ended the same way, namely in war. 02:06.540 --> 02:13.333 And in fact there are quite clear - how should we put it - positions here that should have 02:13.333 --> 02:17.401 such and such an impact - that has to be said. 02:17.401 --> 02:28.886 The criticism I have is that the good comrade said that in summer civil war or some other kind of war here. 02:28.886 --> 02:31.096 So summer 2026. 02:31.096 --> 02:33.714 2026, this summer. 02:33.714 --> 02:38.776 And I just want to try to pull this tooth out. 02:38.776 --> 02:51.823 This will not happen unless, of course, we get such a rapid economic deterioration here due to a complete blockade of the 02:51.823 --> 02:59.328 Strait of Hormuz on the Persian Gulf that famine breaks out here. 02:59.328 --> 03:06.782 Quite frankly, the events do not cover this, they did not cover it two or three weeks ago when this interview 03:06.782 --> 03:13.303 took place that I am criticizing here, because such difficult things were asserted so lightly. 03:13.303 --> 03:19.551 Some people panicked. People around me also asked me what I thought. 03:19.551 --> 03:25.612 And that's when I said: "So, the situation is serious. I divided it into different levels. 03:25.612 --> 03:36.864 I said that in the first stage, you just know that bad things are coming and you look around to see how you could deal with them. 03:36.864 --> 03:45.549 But now we are one step further. And to put numbers behind it, the Pentagon has a famous think tank. 03:45.549 --> 03:52.160 This is the famous Pentagon think tank. Pentagon, the US Department of Defense. 03:52.160 --> 03:59.453 This think tank is called the Rand Corporation. And there is a document that states that 03:59.453 --> 04:03.535 the war against Russia is to start in 2029. 04:03.535 --> 04:10.766 And it is certainly no coincidence that this coincides with the end of Donald Trump's 04:10.766 --> 04:15.711 term of office, and that is a serious target. 04:15.711 --> 04:19.857 And now it comes: How is all this connected? 04:19.857 --> 04:26.295 And here you have to understand the following: World War II is part of the human extermination 04:26.295 --> 04:30.592 strategy of the system to which we are subject. 04:30.592 --> 04:44.440 Kla.TV has made two films, documentaries, which I don't think you should watch politics at all without them. 04:44.440 --> 04:51.131 That is the basis of the foundation. That is Rothschild 1 and Rothschild 2. 04:51.131 --> 04:58.220 And that is simply so important, because otherwise we don't understand the system we live in. 04:58.220 --> 05:05.195 If you're still interested, you could still try to get it - it's not in print at the 05:05.195 --> 05:09.288 moment and you have to get hold of it somewhere. 05:09.288 --> 05:16.320 I say this simply because we have to try to get this book out to people. It's about the Rothschild family. 05:16.320 --> 05:25.548 People may claim here that something is anti-Semitic, but if it is in fact a necessary political criticism of the times, it 05:25.548 --> 05:30.890 is completely beyond discussion, whether Jewish faith or not. 05:30.890 --> 05:40.580 It is also perfectly clear from history, from the history of Israel's origins, from the history of the origins of Zionism, 05:40.580 --> 05:47.728 that Rothschild was at work here, that these are all machinations and that Israel has, how 05:47.728 --> 05:51.724 shall we say, a European colonialist background. 05:51.724 --> 06:00.521 Seven European colonial powers got together - you can read about it in the so-called Bannerman Commission, the British were the 06:00.521 --> 06:09.041 ones who pulled the strings, this thing, it started in London - and found that they urgently needed a divisive force in the 06:09.041 --> 06:17.579 Arab world in order to divide the Arab world according to the beautiful old motto that everyone knows, divide and rule. 06:17.579 --> 06:24.696 This is the real, true story of Israel's origins, it's all there in writing, but of 06:24.696 --> 06:29.686 course not in our lying media, yes, that's clear. 06:29.686 --> 06:41.599 At this point you can simply see the following: Trump's political support base - namely Zionist billionaires in the USA... you can 06:41.599 --> 06:52.870 see that with Douglas McGregor, he says that in every second or third interview - he's there to help the Middle East, so to 06:52.870 --> 07:04.600 speak, the Near and Middle East in the sense of Israel - I want to say, or how should I put it - to help this small, super-armed 07:04.600 --> 07:14.863 country with allegedly 100 or 200 warheads - I see that the number is much higher, it was already 300 and 500 20 07:14.863 --> 07:25.140 or 30 years ago, and they probably haven't simply shut down their nuclear warhead production since then. 07:25.140 --> 07:32.667 So the numbers are grossly wrong here, this is Israel's situation, this is where he should support. 07:32.667 --> 07:35.570 In his first term of office, he did some important things. 07:35.570 --> 07:43.286 He recognized Jerusalem as the capital, the whole of Jerusalem for Israel - all against existing UN resolutions, of course - and 07:43.286 --> 07:50.338 accommodated Israel in such a way that the American political scene already thought at the time that this was far too 07:50.338 --> 07:57.700 much and completely unusual for the USA and that they did not normally do this, but it was not yet so alarming. 07:57.700 --> 08:08.895 And interestingly enough, on Ukrainian soil, Trump has had oversight through his office, so to speak, that Ukraine has been 08:08.895 --> 08:17.996 militarily upgraded along NATO armaments and that at least five air bases have been built in Ukraine 08:17.996 --> 08:24.509 for aggressive purposes against Russia, of course. 08:24.509 --> 08:32.618 So this is Trump's first term in office. But then they didn't think he should continue, so the election was rigged. 08:32.618 --> 08:38.268 That it was falsified is clear, it's not a conspiracy theory, it's provable. 08:38.268 --> 08:42.840 By the way, elections in the USA are almost always rigged. 08:42.840 --> 08:50.583 The USA is one of the countries that has 80-90% computerized elections, which means that you don't cast your vote 08:50.583 --> 08:58.506 on a piece of paper and hand it in - because that's very easy to control - but you type it into the computer. 08:58.506 --> 09:00.059 And in every election so far I have ... 09:00.059 --> 09:01.422 This can be manipulated. 09:01.422 --> 09:08.660 Yes, absolutely fully manipulable. And the manipulation software is already installed in the computers. 09:08.660 --> 09:13.864 That's delicious, I've also written about it at length, it's all there in a nutshell. 09:13.864 --> 09:16.476 So he lost the election. And what did Joe Biden do? 09:16.476 --> 09:25.472 He started the war against Russia from Ukraine, so to speak. 09:25.472 --> 09:34.204 He helped to ensure that this became increasingly violent. During his term of office, Selensky 09:34.204 --> 09:39.431 then issued his famous Decree 117 of March 24, 21. 09:39.431 --> 09:46.026 In short, Ukraine was heading for war against Russia, which is of course unwinnable. 09:46.026 --> 09:52.922 You only have to listen to General Kujat and the others are all crazy. That is clearly on the table of the House. 09:52.922 --> 10:03.519 General Kujat was the former head of the Bundeswehr, Inspector General. These are the important facts. 10:03.519 --> 10:09.893 And it was during Joe Biden's term of office that Hamas launched its - shall I say - 10:09.893 --> 10:13.940 self-defense raid, which doesn't make it any better. 10:13.940 --> 10:16.448 Attacking civilians is always a crime. 10:16.448 --> 10:24.980 In general, of course, robberies are not okay unless there are certain - how shall I put it - dispositions. 10:24.980 --> 10:33.022 And in the case of Palestine, it looked like Saudi Arabia was six weeks away from signing one of these blasphemous Abraham treaties 10:33.022 --> 10:39.161 - because Abraham is a holy word, you don't use it for the betrayal of fellow believers, which is of 10:39.161 --> 10:46.345 course included in the treaty - where Muslims are supposed to betray their brothers in Palestine. 10:46.345 --> 10:48.880 And this is very topical again right now, we can come back to it later. 10:48.880 --> 10:54.851 In any case, at that time Saudi Arabia was six weeks away from signing, and Hamas knew: Then we will simply fall into 10:54.851 --> 11:01.000 nothingness, we will be slowly massacred, marginalized, pushed out of the country, and then Palestine will be finished. 11:01.000 --> 11:09.120 And that's why they launched this raid, to gain hostages, not to kill people. 11:09.120 --> 11:18.363 The next general lie of our media is that, oh God - now I can't remember this number today - 1,300 (or so) 11:18.363 --> 11:23.009 . People have been murdered by Hamas. That is wrong. 11:23.009 --> 11:31.809 Most of them, almost all of them, were murdered by the Israeli army with the famous Hannibal order, which is not 11:31.809 --> 11:38.380 written down anywhere, but which says that no Israeli may fall into the hands of Muslim opponents. 11:38.380 --> 11:40.640 And otherwise the shooting is sharp. 11:40.640 --> 11:46.244 And this doctrine normally applied to the Israeli army, of course, to the army. 11:46.244 --> 11:54.496 The fact that this was now also applied to civilians was part of the plan. This attack was well known in Israel. 11:54.496 --> 12:02.336 Just check the sources, if necessary also have a look at Christoph Hörstel's website on the subject. 12:02.336 --> 12:09.982 And there you can clearly see that the electronic surveillance unit 8,200 of Israeli military 12:09.982 --> 12:17.900 intelligence had delivered a complete script of this Hamas attack to Netanyahu 14 days earlier. 12:17.900 --> 12:21.240 So much for the big surprise topic. 12:21.240 --> 12:28.855 And of course on the day of the raid, 90% of Israeli troops were withdrawn from all border positions around Gaza. 12:28.855 --> 12:33.160 You can't just do something like that. There has to be a plan behind it. 12:33.160 --> 12:38.563 And in the meantime, this has gone as far as the wife of the Israeli army chief, who says that my 12:38.563 --> 12:42.584 husband left the house so unusually early that day. 12:42.584 --> 12:46.616 So things are just open during the day. 12:46.616 --> 12:59.148 And now we are in a situation where Trump comes along, declares that he is pro-Russia - I think he means that seriously by 12:59.148 --> 13:08.702 Trump's standards - and on February 28 of this year launches an attack on Iran for the second 13:08.702 --> 13:13.555 time in the middle of scheduled negotiations. 13:13.555 --> 13:19.200 It was always the case that the next round of negotiations was scheduled for a few days later. 13:19.200 --> 13:28.224 This is the situation: now the fighting in Ukraine is on the wane and things are turning up a gear against Iran! 13:28.224 --> 13:37.820 Now Trump is occupied with the job - how shall we put it - which is why he should have this office at this time. 13:37.820 --> 13:41.033 Because of his Zionist supporters? 13:41.033 --> 13:45.199 Yes, exactly. So, small, small problem. 13:45.199 --> 13:49.762 Iran is much better armed than people in America imagined. 13:49.762 --> 13:50.348 Okay. 13:50.348 --> 13:52.544 He is also much more determined. 13:52.544 --> 13:59.029 They have also fallen for their own propaganda, which says that the people are all against the government. 13:59.029 --> 14:02.016 This is clearly not the case. 14:02.016 --> 14:11.913 Every day that the Lord God allows to grow, millions of Iranians all over Iran stand on the streets and hold solidarity rallies. 14:11.913 --> 14:15.132 It's so powerful, you can't even imagine it, actually. 14:15.132 --> 14:20.128 No country in the world has ever done anything like this. 14:20.128 --> 14:29.680 And it shows the world very clearly, so to speak: If you think you can break us up, then you've got another thing coming. 14:29.680 --> 14:32.360 So divide and rule doesn't work there. 14:32.360 --> 14:37.189 You can definitely say that, it doesn't work there. 14:37.189 --> 14:47.712 For a long time there was always this reporting: the people are dissatisfied, there are demonstrations on the streets, they have 14:47.712 --> 14:57.412 to be violently suppressed by the mullah regime, and the people don't actually want the mullah regime and are actually 14:57.412 --> 15:07.878 rather pro-American, want to have real democracy again, want to be pro-Western, want to cut off this whole old Islamic braid. 15:07.878 --> 15:11.036 That was always the tenor we were told, wasn't it? 15:11.036 --> 15:20.090 Yes, that's exactly it. And then we realized - at least the opposition did - and Trump was kind enough to say 15:20.090 --> 15:28.284 so, which made it mainstream - that the CIA and Mossad were marching together with the demonstrators. 15:28.284 --> 15:32.736 And then they took up arms very quickly. 15:32.736 --> 15:38.280 And here we also have clear evidence that shots were fired at both sides. 15:38.280 --> 15:49.952 We know this from the Maidan in Ukraine, as well as from (Al) Daraa and other places when the armed fighting started in Syria. 15:49.952 --> 15:54.709 And you could say that none of that really worked. 15:54.709 --> 16:01.565 In fact, there is - I now know this first-hand from my friends, some of whom have complained bitterly to me 16:01.565 --> 16:07.229 about corruption - and here's something interesting, this is also an experiment for me. 16:07.229 --> 16:16.424 Three or four weeks ago, I was invited to a live television interview on Iranian state radio, 16:16.424 --> 16:22.628 always together with foreigners, with other foreigners. 16:22.628 --> 16:29.152 I got to know some very nice people, very, very smart guys who are also well informed. 16:29.152 --> 16:36.988 And then I said for the first time three or four weeks ago, well, there is corruption in Iran and there are 16:36.988 --> 16:40.851 also - how should one put it - justified complaints. 16:40.851 --> 16:48.189 But it is clear that in times of danger, people stand together and stand by their government, and 16:48.189 --> 16:52.251 Iran cannot be divided by enemies from outside. 16:52.251 --> 16:52.920 Strong. 16:52.920 --> 17:01.184 That was live there. And then I thought, oh, this is my last interview. But I was wrong. 17:01.184 --> 17:07.840 So now I've had another interview invitation in the past week. 17:07.840 --> 17:16.324 And then I followed up and said that now, when the bombs are not falling in Iran, is actually a wonderful time for 17:16.324 --> 17:25.340 the government to smooth things over at home and address the justified complaints of the population. 17:27.648 --> 17:37.183 And then I said a few more things, but the important thing is, I thought, so this is certainly my last interview. No. 17:37.183 --> 17:38.540 The very last thing! 17:38.540 --> 17:43.916 The Tehran Times reports. And yesterday was the detailed interview. 17:43.916 --> 17:50.768 Nine questions with detailed answers. Will be printed at the weekend, they say. 17:50.768 --> 17:54.494 And I have an invitation to write for the Tehran Times and all that sort of thing. 17:54.494 --> 18:01.668 I'm just telling you this to say that this country is open to constructive criticism. 18:01.668 --> 18:02.700 Okay. 18:02.700 --> 18:05.578 And the system is not just any mullah system. 18:05.578 --> 18:17.697 This is an interesting and multi-layered democracy and cannot simply be dismissed as, how shall I put it, some... 18:17.697 --> 18:18.582 Regime. 18:18.582 --> 18:20.680 Some kind of controlled system. 18:20.680 --> 18:23.179 Mr. Hörstel, did I understand that correctly? 18:23.179 --> 18:33.318 Our leading media make us believe that Iran is some kind of dusty, Islamic, totally antiquated mullah dictatorship. 18:33.318 --> 18:38.752 And now you say it's an interesting democracy. 18:38.752 --> 18:43.465 Can you please elaborate on that a little more? Would perhaps be interesting for our viewers? 18:43.465 --> 18:46.812 So it really is complex. 18:46.812 --> 18:53.873 So the Supreme Leader of the Revolution - which was Ali Khamenei for a long time and now it is his son Mojtaba 18:53.873 --> 18:57.660 Khamenei - is elected by the so-called Council of Experts. 18:57.660 --> 19:09.100 There are about 88 actual clerics and they are elected by the people for eight years. So a double electoral term, so to speak. 19:09.100 --> 19:18.120 While the country's president - now the former surgeon Peseschkian - is directly elected for a four-year term. 19:18.120 --> 19:26.661 And every damn minister has to be confirmed by parliament. So it's not all that easy. 19:26.661 --> 19:37.885 And this is a system of checks and balances, so to speak, in which - how shall we put it - the supreme revolutionary leader 19:37.885 --> 19:46.097 and the president work together, but which has a parliamentary basis, i.e. is in principle 19:46.097 --> 19:50.829 based on the vote of the sovereign, the people. 19:50.829 --> 19:51.380 Very interesting. 19:51.380 --> 19:58.615 ...because individual presidential candidates can also be rejected. 19:58.615 --> 20:00.653 There is a little interesting background to this. 20:00.653 --> 20:09.155 In the last election, former President Ahmadinejad wanted to run again - but was rejected. 20:09.155 --> 20:15.752 And now - perhaps also as an intrigue, we don't know - the American media are suddenly reporting that 20:15.752 --> 20:20.140 Trump had contact with the man and wanted to appoint him. 20:20.140 --> 20:24.064 However, he was known as a great opponent of the US and a hardliner. 20:24.064 --> 20:29.305 So there are a lot of things going on here that we don't know exactly what to make of. 20:29.305 --> 20:39.298 But it is clear that we cannot simply dismiss the Iranian system as some kind of mullahocracy. 20:39.298 --> 20:40.301 Exactly, yes. 20:40.301 --> 20:44.060 That's the word we read in our media. 20:44.060 --> 20:45.115 Yes, interesting. 20:45.115 --> 20:58.858 If we look at this and see that the very first war aim of "Usrael" - let me say, namely the USA and Israel - was regime change. 20:58.858 --> 20:59.340 Exactly. 20:59.340 --> 21:07.479 We actually bombed away the then Supreme Leader of the Revolution, the ancient and already ill 21:07.479 --> 21:11.920 Ali Khamenei, on February 28 at the crack of dawn. 21:11.920 --> 21:18.122 Once that was successful, the Americans got on board too. This is what it looks like. 21:18.122 --> 21:21.777 This did not lead to any instability in the system. 21:21.777 --> 21:31.946 Even when they bombed away the defense ministers and this and that high-ranking man, it didn't help at all. 21:31.946 --> 21:36.227 Army leadership bombed away, individual branches of the armed forces bombed away. 21:36.227 --> 21:47.060 Nothing has actually worked, and we heard, well I heard from Iranian circles, that the whole system is four-tiered. 21:47.060 --> 21:54.547 In other words, they would have to get rid of four supreme revolutionary leaders and four presidents in succession. 21:54.547 --> 21:57.855 The president wasn't dumped at all. It's also clear why not? 21:57.855 --> 22:03.918 Because this is an absolutely approachable, sensible man who came into government with reform wishes - which are 22:03.918 --> 22:09.557 of course urgently overdue - and has of course not yet been able to implement them properly. 22:09.557 --> 22:16.068 Let's see how things continue. But now, and this is where it gets interesting, we have 22:16.068 --> 22:19.500 a situation where the fighting is subsiding. 22:19.500 --> 22:25.065 Israel is doing what it can, murdering 31 people in Lebanon at the last count, or something similar. 22:25.065 --> 22:29.106 But overall, the fighting with Iran is dying down. 22:29.106 --> 22:40.149 As they say, Iran is currently handling a third, a quarter of the ships, namely over 30 instead of 120 to 140 through the Strait 22:40.149 --> 22:46.002 of Hormuz, without the Americans being able to do anything. 22:46.002 --> 22:52.615 In return for payment according to the rules set by Iran. In other words, this is not a full blockade at all. 22:52.615 --> 22:58.615 And what is very interesting is that, of course, a battle is now raging in the background in terms of negotiations. 22:58.615 --> 23:03.616 To what extent will Iran have the say over the Strait of Hormuz and the Gulf? 23:03.616 --> 23:11.187 And now that Iran has clearly won this war according to the most important Americans, it will be very difficult to establish in the 23:11.187 --> 23:18.263 renegotiation that this is not the case and to somehow install the Americans in the Gulf where they have been kicked out. 23:18.263 --> 23:24.512 There is a nice map. On it you can see eleven American military positions - they're all broken. 23:24.512 --> 23:31.116 And some of the soldiers on it are accommodated in the hotels in the area, which has already led 23:31.116 --> 23:34.580 to Iran attacking the hotels during the fighting. 23:34.580 --> 23:41.344 And then, of course, there was a huge media outcry in the West. Look, they're attacking civilian targets. That's clear. 23:41.344 --> 23:49.178 But if the fighting in the Middle East subsides - and that's where we get to know the system, and that's something we have to 23:49.178 --> 23:56.949 remember, given that all governments in the West behave like enemies of their peoples, there's no other way to put it - then 23:56.949 --> 24:00.922 the system will say, okay, then we'll follow suit in Ukraine. 24:00.922 --> 24:09.742 And what happened? May 22 in Starobelsk, in Lugansk, that a boarding school with a school 24:09.742 --> 24:15.834 building and dormitory building was attacked. 24:15.834 --> 24:20.928 And not once, but exactly three times. 24:20.928 --> 24:29.376 In other words, the students first fled to the first floor when the area was attacked and were 24:29.376 --> 24:33.985 then sent to their beds and caught there at night. 24:33.985 --> 24:38.860 And therefore 21 dead students, over 40 injured, terrible. 24:38.860 --> 24:46.497 A correspondent, a Russian, writes: "I was at the scene within minutes and heard the students still screaming. 24:46.497 --> 24:50.840 And then the screams were stifled because no one was there to help". 24:50.840 --> 24:59.584 And here the Tagesschau does not manage to report these facts and says, yes, yes, this is some kind of Russian act of revenge. 24:59.584 --> 25:05.533 Why are they attacking Kiev now? The ARD office is damaged by the blast wave. 25:05.533 --> 25:15.084 Of course, this was not a bomb target, but here everything is screaming "Russian terror", while the government and the media 25:15.084 --> 25:19.807 are practicing iron silence regarding this terrorist attack. 25:19.807 --> 25:24.553 And here it is clear that the intention is to provoke, to provoke Russia. 25:24.553 --> 25:31.240 And if Russia then resorts to an act of revenge, the Europeans should be urged to become more involved again. 25:31.240 --> 25:33.960 And it was precisely this system that worked. 25:33.960 --> 25:46.464 So the German, let me say Foreign Minister, an unspeakable figure, has demanded 90 billion more for Kiev. 25:46.464 --> 25:53.697 A country that is probably the most corrupt country in the world, so we know that Selensky alone has already 25:53.697 --> 25:57.607 snapped up a billion or two. We can probably assume that. 25:57.607 --> 26:05.706 And the rest of the company also needs a few billion, because they are going out on a limb to permanently 26:05.706 --> 26:11.780 send their country to a senseless sacrifice, so to speak. 26:11.780 --> 26:19.651 So the system is ramping up the war effort in Ukraine, while it's winding down in the Middle East. 26:19.651 --> 26:26.496 This is obviously a means of keeping the population in fear and under pressure. 26:26.496 --> 26:31.743 And that's how I see the statements of this KSK man, which are intended to create panic. 26:31.743 --> 26:39.251 And then you no longer care about the next plandemic to be installed here, based on the virus lie. 26:39.251 --> 26:45.806 And they tried everything. I say, first it was monkeypox and then it was Hanta. 26:45.806 --> 26:51.350 And now there is Ebola and everything is unproven and everything is a lie. 26:51.350 --> 26:56.780 And all the suspected cases come from the Democratic Republic of Congo. 26:56.780 --> 27:01.559 And all you can say is that a lot of money is being paid, a lot of bribes are being paid and these people are poor. 27:01.559 --> 27:05.295 Governments have nothing with which they can shape policy. 27:05.295 --> 27:09.860 And at such a level we are then raped, so to speak. 27:09.860 --> 27:15.263 That is such an important point. The war level should be maintained. 27:15.263 --> 27:20.875 And if things go down a bit in the Middle East, then they will increase that in Ukraine. And 27:20.875 --> 27:24.300 that means both wars must be stopped immediately! 27:24.300 --> 27:30.920 Governments that are somehow involved in this, including the German government, for example, should be jailed. 27:30.920 --> 27:37.413 And we fail to introduce sanctions against Israel and have these disgusting word exercises, 27:37.413 --> 27:41.189 which are known to be so well received in Israel. 27:41.189 --> 27:47.214 If no sanction follows, it is an encouragement to continue. That's how they treat it. 27:47.214 --> 27:50.149 And the whole system knows that. That's how it is. 27:50.149 --> 27:59.744 But how can it even get to the point where we are involved in such a scenario? 27:59.744 --> 28:07.164 Iran war, Ukraine war somehow - and there's nothing we can do. Everything comes like this, hits us like rain and snow. 28:07.164 --> 28:17.018 We will then only be encouraged to invest billions more and to make our young people fit for war, our whole country fit for war. 28:17.018 --> 28:22.048 Who is behind it all? Who are the string-pullers in the background? How do you see it, Mr. Hörstel? 28:22.048 --> 28:33.899 The crucial thing is that we are not governed by Merz, Scholz or Merkel, but that they are mere puppets, so to speak. 28:33.899 --> 28:38.160 That's what the wonderful American pop musician Frank Zappa once said. 28:38.160 --> 28:43.085 Politics is the entertainment department of the arms industry. 28:43.085 --> 28:44.362 Did he really once say Frank Zappa? 28:44.362 --> 28:45.320 That's what he said. 28:45.320 --> 28:53.248 And when I just wanted to quote that as a news presenter at Mitteldeutscher Rundfunk, I was forbidden to do so. 28:53.248 --> 28:59.456 That's one of my early experiences with system boundaries here with us. 28:59.456 --> 29:05.184 But Mr. Zappa died relatively early. Is there perhaps a connection? 29:05.184 --> 29:14.505 I can't judge. Yes, but we know that artists have their own lives, so to speak, and drugs play a big role. 29:14.505 --> 29:16.845 And to what extent this is the case... 29:16.845 --> 29:19.474 All right. Good. 29:19.474 --> 29:24.205 I actually don't know here, I haven't investigated it either. But this was certainly a man who had insight. 29:24.205 --> 29:31.034 Incidentally, someone who also had great insight and also told confidants who I was then able to speak 29:31.034 --> 29:35.820 to by chance, who told me this, was Michael Jackson. 29:35.820 --> 29:42.349 He also knew exactly how corrupt this system is. Now there's a great movie about him. 29:42.349 --> 29:48.123 The first one, there's probably another one coming. I watched it with all the children. 29:48.123 --> 29:51.820 I didn't think the performer could dance anywhere near as well as Michael Jackson. 29:51.820 --> 29:56.505 He really was an incredible artist. 29:56.505 --> 29:59.860 In short, we are governed here by the American Deep State. 29:59.860 --> 30:02.848 We Germans are not even allowed to have our own Deep State. 30:02.848 --> 30:08.611 We're familiar with this in France now. There are a few billionaires running the show, so to speak. 30:08.611 --> 30:16.682 But everything strictly along Rothschild lines. And that is precisely the point where I have to say that, in 30:16.682 --> 30:24.846 my opinion, the two Rothschild broadcasts on Kla.TV are part of the foundation of political education. 30:24.846 --> 30:33.403 Very creditably, Kla.TV makes sure and states that this system, the Rothschild system, 30:33.403 --> 30:37.905 is based on the so-called banking privilege. 30:37.905 --> 30:45.542 This means that banks are allowed to invent money, out of the blue. This is called a fiat money economy. 30:45.542 --> 30:54.446 That's a very official word, you can google it, that's how it's used, meaning that banks create money and take interest on it. 30:54.446 --> 31:01.008 This insane corruption, it's always a system, a trained monkey can make money out of it. 31:01.008 --> 31:03.862 If you can do it yourself, that can be... 31:03.862 --> 31:05.217 Out of nowhere. 31:05.217 --> 31:13.440 I put a small printing press in the basement, so to speak, and from then on I no longer have any cash register problems. 31:13.440 --> 31:18.134 That's roughly how it works, to put it casually. 31:18.134 --> 31:26.987 In other words, as long as we don't take this privilege away from the banks, we will become the system that 31:26.987 --> 31:32.544 governs us from the outside, through a small clique of people. 31:32.544 --> 31:42.752 The whole Rothschild system is involved. Tillmann Knechtel wrote about it well in his Rothschild book. 31:42.752 --> 31:51.005 As long as we leave them in this power and in this money creation and interest power, we nations have no chance. 31:51.005 --> 31:51.784 Yes. 31:51.784 --> 31:57.672 And now comes what I find so horribly alarming as a party founder. 31:57.672 --> 32:04.939 Because that was part of our party program right from the start: abolishing the debt money system and interest rates. 32:04.939 --> 32:09.920 That is very simple. The state doesn't even need to ask banks for credit. 32:09.920 --> 32:19.241 It can give itself credit via a truly independent Bundesbank through a political decision that 32:19.241 --> 32:24.460 maintains stability and must pay zero interest. 32:24.460 --> 32:34.297 In concrete terms, this means that we will save between 40 billion and in future up to over 70 billion 32:34.297 --> 32:39.680 euros a year in interest that we pay to the banks. 32:39.680 --> 32:43.214 Not only Germany. 32:43.214 --> 32:48.680 Any country could become independent, right? 32:48.680 --> 32:58.270 That's how it is. If every country decides to abolish the banking privilege, if only one country decides to do so or if it is as 32:58.270 --> 33:06.661 clever as Russia and says the banks get 10% of the credit market here and we do the rest ourselves, that is also 33:06.661 --> 33:11.611 our proposal, then this system can slowly be abolished. 33:11.611 --> 33:19.253 You take away its strength and its incredible power, and if we don't do that, we will sacrifice en masse. 33:19.253 --> 33:25.058 In this respect, the KSK interview that we discussed at the beginning is not completely off the mark. 33:25.058 --> 33:32.744 We just need to know that a wonderful director called Kuby once started a campaign, took the trouble to write to over 180 33:32.744 --> 33:38.592 parties in Germany and said, don't we want to work together? 33:38.592 --> 33:42.860 I replied and said, yes, I think that's a great idea. 33:42.860 --> 33:49.995 I used the entire mailing list that was open and asked which of the parties contacted here is prepared to 33:49.995 --> 33:54.456 abolish the banking privilege, i.e. debt money and interest? 33:54.456 --> 33:55.300 Yes. 33:55.300 --> 33:59.280 The answer is very shocking and also very clear. 33:59.280 --> 34:00.747 Which was then? 34:00.747 --> 34:02.080 Null. 34:02.080 --> 34:05.178 Nobody wanted to write the topic on their banner? 34:05.178 --> 34:11.253 Nobody even wanted to answer an e-mail on this topic. 34:11.253 --> 34:18.435 So that's really quite intense. We are now in an explosive political situation here in Germany. 34:18.435 --> 34:29.871 Practically as a war supporter of Israel and as a supporter of Ukraine and moving against our best interests in both cases, 34:29.871 --> 34:41.517 we will definitely fall victim to the Ukraine war, if, as the Pentagon says, it goes down to business from 2029 after Trump. 34:41.517 --> 34:48.030 The war will come to Germany, no question about it. And what does that mean in concrete terms? 34:48.030 --> 34:53.866 We have a new major opposition party that has apparently reached 30 percent of voters and is 34:53.866 --> 34:57.440 pretending that things are getting better now. 34:57.440 --> 35:06.851 But this party has a party leader, Dr. Alice Weidel, I'll use her name, sorry, I'm not .... She has spent her entire professional 35:06.851 --> 35:15.875 life either directly at Goldman Sachs, namely at the beginning, or in the sphere of influence of this major US bank. 35:15.875 --> 35:16.750 Okay. 35:16.750 --> 35:28.527 And that in turn means that we will definitely not get a fight against the cartel mafia system that rules us from there. 35:28.527 --> 35:31.970 That means the root of the problem is not being addressed? 35:31.970 --> 35:41.710 It is not being addressed. The unbelievable thing for me is that now Kla.TV has gone forward with these two contributions. 35:41.710 --> 35:43.879 With the Rothschild? 35:43.879 --> 35:50.583 With the Rothschild contributions, one and two. And has made it crystal clear where the rabbit is going. 35:50.583 --> 35:59.010 And I am now advertising this here and on my channels, because that is the basis for any improvement. 35:59.010 --> 36:05.190 And I just want to say that as a party founder and national chairman, I would like to see competition in this area. 36:05.190 --> 36:15.328 I feel very strange when I have the feeling that people don't even understand what actually controls them. 36:15.328 --> 36:24.061 And months ago, we are completely perverted as a population because we don't want to know who rules us in fact and truth. 36:24.061 --> 36:24.906 Yes, I understand. 36:24.906 --> 36:26.070 Who governs us. 36:26.070 --> 36:33.848 And that is so crucial that we get there, because if we don't know who we are supposed to be working against, 36:33.848 --> 36:40.444 so to speak, we obviously have zero chance of any real improvement in terms of people and peace. 36:40.444 --> 36:43.054 And we carry this on God's soil. 36:43.054 --> 36:44.847 I understand that very well now. 36:44.847 --> 36:53.328 In other words, this scenario, this worst-case or best-case scenario, no matter what it looks like, can only be stopped if 36:53.328 --> 37:00.418 this banking system, this interest system, this creation of money out of nothing is stopped, if we get 37:00.418 --> 37:04.197 out of it. And otherwise it can't be stopped at all. 37:04.197 --> 37:07.268 The wheel keeps turning, doesn't it? 37:07.268 --> 37:14.718 Practically every day that we live and buy any commodity, we shovel about 50 to 70 percent of the 37:14.718 --> 37:18.660 value of that commodity into the pockets of banks. 37:18.660 --> 37:24.510 Because that's the credit debt we're servicing, so to speak. That's how high it is. 37:24.510 --> 37:30.477 When you buy a house, 70, 80% are interest costs. That's absurd. 37:30.477 --> 37:35.750 People bend over backwards every day for this kind of thing. 37:35.750 --> 37:41.500 Of course, you can't simply switch that off politically. There are still legacy obligations and the like. 37:41.500 --> 37:49.739 But the lever can be turned and the system can be slowly, how shall we say, redirected, 37:49.739 --> 37:54.043 as Putin has done in various places in Russia. 37:54.043 --> 37:57.103 Not all of them, that's interesting. However. 37:57.103 --> 38:03.763 We are all deeply involved in this system, but without a stop to governments having to 38:03.763 --> 38:07.505 borrow money from banks - how perverse is that? 38:07.505 --> 38:13.803 If we understand that this is perverse - I think there is only one professor in Germany who 38:13.803 --> 38:17.401 teaches this, a Mr. Peukert, written with EU. 38:17.401 --> 38:25.372 If we don't figure this out and change course, we are guaranteed to be lost. That is not a question. 38:25.372 --> 38:33.017 All right. Thank you very much for this really very enlightening all-round report. 38:33.017 --> 38:39.670 We really went into depth, although we could go on talking for hours. We could go into much more depth. 38:39.670 --> 38:46.313 But it also gives an essential picture of where we are, what is currently going on, what 38:46.313 --> 38:50.733 would be a step towards escaping the whole dilemma. 38:50.733 --> 38:53.625 I am very happy that we were able to talk. 38:53.625 --> 38:54.817 Thank you very much. 38:54.817 --> 38:56.999 Mr. Hörstel, thank you and see you next time. 38:56.999 --> 38:59.482 See you next time. Thank you. 38:59.482 --> 39:05.528 Like us. Share this video. Follow us and leave a comment to push the algorithm.