World War II is part of the human extermination strategy of the system to which we are subject.
And here it is clear that the intention is to provoke.
I feel very strange when I have the feeling that peoples, people don't even understand what they actually control.
The crucial thing is that we are not governed by Merz, Scholz or Merkel.
Because if we don't know what we should be working against, we obviously have zero chance of
any real improvement in terms of people and peace.
Kla.TV is in conversation with Christoph Hörstel today. Hello.
Hello, thank you very much.
Mr. Hörstel, an interview on YouTube a few days or weeks ago made quite a stir.
A former KSK employee/member, i.e. from the Special Forces Command, says that the war was decided long ago.
He is referring to the conflict with Russia, but also to the spreading world conflagration - you could just say that.
He paints two scenarios, a worst-case scenario and a best-case scenario.
But in my eyes, both would be a total disaster for humanity.
Now, Mr. Hörstel, based on your really decades of experience and your worldwide contacts, how do you see it?
Is there a really serious doomsday mood? Or what does that look like in your eyes?
Yes, that's a serious question. That was a conversation between this ex-army soldier and the interviewer Marc Friedrich.
And the worst-case scenario - i.e. a possibility of how things could develop in the worst conceivable way or in the
best conceivable way - both ended the same way, namely in war.
And in fact there are quite clear - how should we put it - positions here that should have
such and such an impact - that has to be said.
The criticism I have is that the good comrade said that in summer civil war or some other kind of war here.
So summer 2026.
2026, this summer.
And I just want to try to pull this tooth out.
This will not happen unless, of course, we get such a rapid economic deterioration here due to a complete blockade of the
Strait of Hormuz on the Persian Gulf that famine breaks out here.
Quite frankly, the events do not cover this, they did not cover it two or three weeks ago when this interview
took place that I am criticizing here, because such difficult things were asserted so lightly.
Some people panicked. People around me also asked me what I thought.
And that's when I said: "So, the situation is serious. I divided it into different levels.
I said that in the first stage, you just know that bad things are coming and you look around to see how you could deal with them.
But now we are one step further. And to put numbers behind it, the Pentagon has a famous think tank.
This is the famous Pentagon think tank. Pentagon, the US Department of Defense.
This think tank is called the Rand Corporation. And there is a document that states that
the war against Russia is to start in 2029.
And it is certainly no coincidence that this coincides with the end of Donald Trump's
term of office, and that is a serious target.
And now it comes: How is all this connected?
And here you have to understand the following: World War II is part of the human extermination
strategy of the system to which we are subject.
Kla.TV has made two films, documentaries, which I don't think you should watch politics at all without them.
That is the basis of the foundation. That is Rothschild 1 and Rothschild 2.
And that is simply so important, because otherwise we don't understand the system we live in.
If you're still interested, you could still try to get it - it's not in print at the
moment and you have to get hold of it somewhere.
I say this simply because we have to try to get this book out to people. It's about the Rothschild family.
People may claim here that something is anti-Semitic, but if it is in fact a necessary political criticism of the times, it
is completely beyond discussion, whether Jewish faith or not.
It is also perfectly clear from history, from the history of Israel's origins, from the history of the origins of Zionism,
that Rothschild was at work here, that these are all machinations and that Israel has, how
shall we say, a European colonialist background.
Seven European colonial powers got together - you can read about it in the so-called Bannerman Commission, the British were the
ones who pulled the strings, this thing, it started in London - and found that they urgently needed a divisive force in the
Arab world in order to divide the Arab world according to the beautiful old motto that everyone knows, divide and rule.
This is the real, true story of Israel's origins, it's all there in writing, but of
course not in our lying media, yes, that's clear.
At this point you can simply see the following: Trump's political support base - namely Zionist billionaires in the USA... you can
see that with Douglas McGregor, he says that in every second or third interview - he's there to help the Middle East, so to
speak, the Near and Middle East in the sense of Israel - I want to say, or how should I put it - to help this small, super-armed
country with allegedly 100 or 200 warheads - I see that the number is much higher, it was already 300 and 500 20
or 30 years ago, and they probably haven't simply shut down their nuclear warhead production since then.
So the numbers are grossly wrong here, this is Israel's situation, this is where he should support.
In his first term of office, he did some important things.
He recognized Jerusalem as the capital, the whole of Jerusalem for Israel - all against existing UN resolutions, of course - and
accommodated Israel in such a way that the American political scene already thought at the time that this was far too
much and completely unusual for the USA and that they did not normally do this, but it was not yet so alarming.
And interestingly enough, on Ukrainian soil, Trump has had oversight through his office, so to speak, that Ukraine has been
militarily upgraded along NATO armaments and that at least five air bases have been built in Ukraine
for aggressive purposes against Russia, of course.
So this is Trump's first term in office. But then they didn't think he should continue, so the election was rigged.
That it was falsified is clear, it's not a conspiracy theory, it's provable.
By the way, elections in the USA are almost always rigged.
The USA is one of the countries that has 80-90% computerized elections, which means that you don't cast your vote
on a piece of paper and hand it in - because that's very easy to control - but you type it into the computer.
And in every election so far I have ...
This can be manipulated.
Yes, absolutely fully manipulable. And the manipulation software is already installed in the computers.
That's delicious, I've also written about it at length, it's all there in a nutshell.
So he lost the election. And what did Joe Biden do?
He started the war against Russia from Ukraine, so to speak.
He helped to ensure that this became increasingly violent. During his term of office, Selensky
then issued his famous Decree 117 of March 24, 21.
In short, Ukraine was heading for war against Russia, which is of course unwinnable.
You only have to listen to General Kujat and the others are all crazy. That is clearly on the table of the House.
General Kujat was the former head of the Bundeswehr, Inspector General. These are the important facts.
And it was during Joe Biden's term of office that Hamas launched its - shall I say -
self-defense raid, which doesn't make it any better.
Attacking civilians is always a crime.
In general, of course, robberies are not okay unless there are certain - how shall I put it - dispositions.
And in the case of Palestine, it looked like Saudi Arabia was six weeks away from signing one of these blasphemous Abraham treaties
- because Abraham is a holy word, you don't use it for the betrayal of fellow believers, which is of
course included in the treaty - where Muslims are supposed to betray their brothers in Palestine.
And this is very topical again right now, we can come back to it later.
In any case, at that time Saudi Arabia was six weeks away from signing, and Hamas knew: Then we will simply fall into
nothingness, we will be slowly massacred, marginalized, pushed out of the country, and then Palestine will be finished.
And that's why they launched this raid, to gain hostages, not to kill people.
The next general lie of our media is that, oh God - now I can't remember this number today - 1,300 (or so)
. People have been murdered by Hamas. That is wrong.
Most of them, almost all of them, were murdered by the Israeli army with the famous Hannibal order, which is not
written down anywhere, but which says that no Israeli may fall into the hands of Muslim opponents.
And otherwise the shooting is sharp.
And this doctrine normally applied to the Israeli army, of course, to the army.
The fact that this was now also applied to civilians was part of the plan. This attack was well known in Israel.
Just check the sources, if necessary also have a look at Christoph Hörstel's website on the subject.
And there you can clearly see that the electronic surveillance unit 8,200 of Israeli military
intelligence had delivered a complete script of this Hamas attack to Netanyahu 14 days earlier.
So much for the big surprise topic.
And of course on the day of the raid, 90% of Israeli troops were withdrawn from all border positions around Gaza.
You can't just do something like that. There has to be a plan behind it.
And in the meantime, this has gone as far as the wife of the Israeli army chief, who says that my
husband left the house so unusually early that day.
So things are just open during the day.
And now we are in a situation where Trump comes along, declares that he is pro-Russia - I think he means that seriously by
Trump's standards - and on February 28 of this year launches an attack on Iran for the second
time in the middle of scheduled negotiations.
It was always the case that the next round of negotiations was scheduled for a few days later.
This is the situation: now the fighting in Ukraine is on the wane and things are turning up a gear against Iran!
Now Trump is occupied with the job - how shall we put it - which is why he should have this office at this time.
Because of his Zionist supporters?
Yes, exactly. So, small, small problem.
Iran is much better armed than people in America imagined.
Okay.
He is also much more determined.
They have also fallen for their own propaganda, which says that the people are all against the government.
This is clearly not the case.
Every day that the Lord God allows to grow, millions of Iranians all over Iran stand on the streets and hold solidarity rallies.
It's so powerful, you can't even imagine it, actually.
No country in the world has ever done anything like this.
And it shows the world very clearly, so to speak: If you think you can break us up, then you've got another thing coming.
So divide and rule doesn't work there.
You can definitely say that, it doesn't work there.
For a long time there was always this reporting: the people are dissatisfied, there are demonstrations on the streets, they have
to be violently suppressed by the mullah regime, and the people don't actually want the mullah regime and are actually
rather pro-American, want to have real democracy again, want to be pro-Western, want to cut off this whole old Islamic braid.
That was always the tenor we were told, wasn't it?
Yes, that's exactly it. And then we realized - at least the opposition did - and Trump was kind enough to say
so, which made it mainstream - that the CIA and Mossad were marching together with the demonstrators.
And then they took up arms very quickly.
And here we also have clear evidence that shots were fired at both sides.
We know this from the Maidan in Ukraine, as well as from (Al) Daraa and other places when the armed fighting started in Syria.
And you could say that none of that really worked.
In fact, there is - I now know this first-hand from my friends, some of whom have complained bitterly to me
about corruption - and here's something interesting, this is also an experiment for me.
Three or four weeks ago, I was invited to a live television interview on Iranian state radio,
always together with foreigners, with other foreigners.
I got to know some very nice people, very, very smart guys who are also well informed.
And then I said for the first time three or four weeks ago, well, there is corruption in Iran and there are
also - how should one put it - justified complaints.
But it is clear that in times of danger, people stand together and stand by their government, and
Iran cannot be divided by enemies from outside.
Strong.
That was live there. And then I thought, oh, this is my last interview. But I was wrong.
So now I've had another interview invitation in the past week.
And then I followed up and said that now, when the bombs are not falling in Iran, is actually a wonderful time for
the government to smooth things over at home and address the justified complaints of the population.
And then I said a few more things, but the important thing is, I thought, so this is certainly my last interview. No.
The very last thing!
The Tehran Times reports. And yesterday was the detailed interview.
Nine questions with detailed answers. Will be printed at the weekend, they say.
And I have an invitation to write for the Tehran Times and all that sort of thing.
I'm just telling you this to say that this country is open to constructive criticism.
Okay.
And the system is not just any mullah system.
This is an interesting and multi-layered democracy and cannot simply be dismissed as, how shall I put it, some...
Regime.
Some kind of controlled system.
Mr. Hörstel, did I understand that correctly?
Our leading media make us believe that Iran is some kind of dusty, Islamic, totally antiquated mullah dictatorship.
And now you say it's an interesting democracy.
Can you please elaborate on that a little more? Would perhaps be interesting for our viewers?
So it really is complex.
So the Supreme Leader of the Revolution - which was Ali Khamenei for a long time and now it is his son Mojtaba
Khamenei - is elected by the so-called Council of Experts.
There are about 88 actual clerics and they are elected by the people for eight years. So a double electoral term, so to speak.
While the country's president - now the former surgeon Peseschkian - is directly elected for a four-year term.
And every damn minister has to be confirmed by parliament. So it's not all that easy.
And this is a system of checks and balances, so to speak, in which - how shall we put it - the supreme revolutionary leader
and the president work together, but which has a parliamentary basis, i.e. is in principle
based on the vote of the sovereign, the people.
Very interesting.
...because individual presidential candidates can also be rejected.
There is a little interesting background to this.
In the last election, former President Ahmadinejad wanted to run again - but was rejected.
And now - perhaps also as an intrigue, we don't know - the American media are suddenly reporting that
Trump had contact with the man and wanted to appoint him.
However, he was known as a great opponent of the US and a hardliner.
So there are a lot of things going on here that we don't know exactly what to make of.
But it is clear that we cannot simply dismiss the Iranian system as some kind of mullahocracy.
Exactly, yes.
That's the word we read in our media.
Yes, interesting.
If we look at this and see that the very first war aim of "Usrael" - let me say, namely the USA and Israel - was regime change.
Exactly.
We actually bombed away the then Supreme Leader of the Revolution, the ancient and already ill
Ali Khamenei, on February 28 at the crack of dawn.
Once that was successful, the Americans got on board too. This is what it looks like.
This did not lead to any instability in the system.
Even when they bombed away the defense ministers and this and that high-ranking man, it didn't help at all.
Army leadership bombed away, individual branches of the armed forces bombed away.
Nothing has actually worked, and we heard, well I heard from Iranian circles, that the whole system is four-tiered.
In other words, they would have to get rid of four supreme revolutionary leaders and four presidents in succession.
The president wasn't dumped at all. It's also clear why not?
Because this is an absolutely approachable, sensible man who came into government with reform wishes - which are
of course urgently overdue - and has of course not yet been able to implement them properly.
Let's see how things continue. But now, and this is where it gets interesting, we have
a situation where the fighting is subsiding.
Israel is doing what it can, murdering 31 people in Lebanon at the last count, or something similar.
But overall, the fighting with Iran is dying down.
As they say, Iran is currently handling a third, a quarter of the ships, namely over 30 instead of 120 to 140 through the Strait
of Hormuz, without the Americans being able to do anything.
In return for payment according to the rules set by Iran. In other words, this is not a full blockade at all.
And what is very interesting is that, of course, a battle is now raging in the background in terms of negotiations.
To what extent will Iran have the say over the Strait of Hormuz and the Gulf?
And now that Iran has clearly won this war according to the most important Americans, it will be very difficult to establish in the
renegotiation that this is not the case and to somehow install the Americans in the Gulf where they have been kicked out.
There is a nice map. On it you can see eleven American military positions - they're all broken.
And some of the soldiers on it are accommodated in the hotels in the area, which has already led
to Iran attacking the hotels during the fighting.
And then, of course, there was a huge media outcry in the West. Look, they're attacking civilian targets. That's clear.
But if the fighting in the Middle East subsides - and that's where we get to know the system, and that's something we have to
remember, given that all governments in the West behave like enemies of their peoples, there's no other way to put it - then
the system will say, okay, then we'll follow suit in Ukraine.
And what happened? May 22 in Starobelsk, in Lugansk, that a boarding school with a school
building and dormitory building was attacked.
And not once, but exactly three times.
In other words, the students first fled to the first floor when the area was attacked and were
then sent to their beds and caught there at night.
And therefore 21 dead students, over 40 injured, terrible.
A correspondent, a Russian, writes: "I was at the scene within minutes and heard the students still screaming.
And then the screams were stifled because no one was there to help".
And here the Tagesschau does not manage to report these facts and says, yes, yes, this is some kind of Russian act of revenge.
Why are they attacking Kiev now? The ARD office is damaged by the blast wave.
Of course, this was not a bomb target, but here everything is screaming "Russian terror", while the government and the media
are practicing iron silence regarding this terrorist attack.
And here it is clear that the intention is to provoke, to provoke Russia.
And if Russia then resorts to an act of revenge, the Europeans should be urged to become more involved again.
And it was precisely this system that worked.
So the German, let me say Foreign Minister, an unspeakable figure, has demanded 90 billion more for Kiev.
A country that is probably the most corrupt country in the world, so we know that Selensky alone has already
snapped up a billion or two. We can probably assume that.
And the rest of the company also needs a few billion, because they are going out on a limb to permanently
send their country to a senseless sacrifice, so to speak.
So the system is ramping up the war effort in Ukraine, while it's winding down in the Middle East.
This is obviously a means of keeping the population in fear and under pressure.
And that's how I see the statements of this KSK man, which are intended to create panic.
And then you no longer care about the next plandemic to be installed here, based on the virus lie.
And they tried everything. I say, first it was monkeypox and then it was Hanta.
And now there is Ebola and everything is unproven and everything is a lie.
And all the suspected cases come from the Democratic Republic of Congo.
And all you can say is that a lot of money is being paid, a lot of bribes are being paid and these people are poor.
Governments have nothing with which they can shape policy.
And at such a level we are then raped, so to speak.
That is such an important point. The war level should be maintained.
And if things go down a bit in the Middle East, then they will increase that in Ukraine. And
that means both wars must be stopped immediately!
Governments that are somehow involved in this, including the German government, for example, should be jailed.
And we fail to introduce sanctions against Israel and have these disgusting word exercises,
which are known to be so well received in Israel.
If no sanction follows, it is an encouragement to continue. That's how they treat it.
And the whole system knows that. That's how it is.
But how can it even get to the point where we are involved in such a scenario?
Iran war, Ukraine war somehow - and there's nothing we can do. Everything comes like this, hits us like rain and snow.
We will then only be encouraged to invest billions more and to make our young people fit for war, our whole country fit for war.
Who is behind it all? Who are the string-pullers in the background? How do you see it, Mr. Hörstel?
The crucial thing is that we are not governed by Merz, Scholz or Merkel, but that they are mere puppets, so to speak.
That's what the wonderful American pop musician Frank Zappa once said.
Politics is the entertainment department of the arms industry.
Did he really once say Frank Zappa?
That's what he said.
And when I just wanted to quote that as a news presenter at Mitteldeutscher Rundfunk, I was forbidden to do so.
That's one of my early experiences with system boundaries here with us.
But Mr. Zappa died relatively early. Is there perhaps a connection?
I can't judge. Yes, but we know that artists have their own lives, so to speak, and drugs play a big role.
And to what extent this is the case...
All right. Good.
I actually don't know here, I haven't investigated it either. But this was certainly a man who had insight.
Incidentally, someone who also had great insight and also told confidants who I was then able to speak
to by chance, who told me this, was Michael Jackson.
He also knew exactly how corrupt this system is. Now there's a great movie about him.
The first one, there's probably another one coming. I watched it with all the children.
I didn't think the performer could dance anywhere near as well as Michael Jackson.
He really was an incredible artist.
In short, we are governed here by the American Deep State.
We Germans are not even allowed to have our own Deep State.
We're familiar with this in France now. There are a few billionaires running the show, so to speak.
But everything strictly along Rothschild lines. And that is precisely the point where I have to say that, in
my opinion, the two Rothschild broadcasts on Kla.TV are part of the foundation of political education.
Very creditably, Kla.TV makes sure and states that this system, the Rothschild system,
is based on the so-called banking privilege.
This means that banks are allowed to invent money, out of the blue. This is called a fiat money economy.
That's a very official word, you can google it, that's how it's used, meaning that banks create money and take interest on it.
This insane corruption, it's always a system, a trained monkey can make money out of it.
If you can do it yourself, that can be...
Out of nowhere.
I put a small printing press in the basement, so to speak, and from then on I no longer have any cash register problems.
That's roughly how it works, to put it casually.
In other words, as long as we don't take this privilege away from the banks, we will become the system that
governs us from the outside, through a small clique of people.
The whole Rothschild system is involved. Tillmann Knechtel wrote about it well in his Rothschild book.
As long as we leave them in this power and in this money creation and interest power, we nations have no chance.
Yes.
And now comes what I find so horribly alarming as a party founder.
Because that was part of our party program right from the start: abolishing the debt money system and interest rates.
That is very simple. The state doesn't even need to ask banks for credit.
It can give itself credit via a truly independent Bundesbank through a political decision that
maintains stability and must pay zero interest.
In concrete terms, this means that we will save between 40 billion and in future up to over 70 billion
euros a year in interest that we pay to the banks.
Not only Germany.
Any country could become independent, right?
That's how it is. If every country decides to abolish the banking privilege, if only one country decides to do so or if it is as
clever as Russia and says the banks get 10% of the credit market here and we do the rest ourselves, that is also
our proposal, then this system can slowly be abolished.
You take away its strength and its incredible power, and if we don't do that, we will sacrifice en masse.
In this respect, the KSK interview that we discussed at the beginning is not completely off the mark.
We just need to know that a wonderful director called Kuby once started a campaign, took the trouble to write to over 180
parties in Germany and said, don't we want to work together?
I replied and said, yes, I think that's a great idea.
I used the entire mailing list that was open and asked which of the parties contacted here is prepared to
abolish the banking privilege, i.e. debt money and interest?
Yes.
The answer is very shocking and also very clear.
Which was then?
Null.
Nobody wanted to write the topic on their banner?
Nobody even wanted to answer an e-mail on this topic.
So that's really quite intense. We are now in an explosive political situation here in Germany.
Practically as a war supporter of Israel and as a supporter of Ukraine and moving against our best interests in both cases,
we will definitely fall victim to the Ukraine war, if, as the Pentagon says, it goes down to business from 2029 after Trump.
The war will come to Germany, no question about it. And what does that mean in concrete terms?
We have a new major opposition party that has apparently reached 30 percent of voters and is
pretending that things are getting better now.
But this party has a party leader, Dr. Alice Weidel, I'll use her name, sorry, I'm not .... She has spent her entire professional
life either directly at Goldman Sachs, namely at the beginning, or in the sphere of influence of this major US bank.
Okay.
And that in turn means that we will definitely not get a fight against the cartel mafia system that rules us from there.
That means the root of the problem is not being addressed?
It is not being addressed. The unbelievable thing for me is that now Kla.TV has gone forward with these two contributions.
With the Rothschild?
With the Rothschild contributions, one and two. And has made it crystal clear where the rabbit is going.
And I am now advertising this here and on my channels, because that is the basis for any improvement.
And I just want to say that as a party founder and national chairman, I would like to see competition in this area.
I feel very strange when I have the feeling that people don't even understand what actually controls them.
And months ago, we are completely perverted as a population because we don't want to know who rules us in fact and truth.
Yes, I understand.
Who governs us.
And that is so crucial that we get there, because if we don't know who we are supposed to be working against,
so to speak, we obviously have zero chance of any real improvement in terms of people and peace.
And we carry this on God's soil.
I understand that very well now.
In other words, this scenario, this worst-case or best-case scenario, no matter what it looks like, can only be stopped if
this banking system, this interest system, this creation of money out of nothing is stopped, if we get
out of it. And otherwise it can't be stopped at all.
The wheel keeps turning, doesn't it?
Practically every day that we live and buy any commodity, we shovel about 50 to 70 percent of the
value of that commodity into the pockets of banks.
Because that's the credit debt we're servicing, so to speak. That's how high it is.
When you buy a house, 70, 80% are interest costs. That's absurd.
People bend over backwards every day for this kind of thing.
Of course, you can't simply switch that off politically. There are still legacy obligations and the like.
But the lever can be turned and the system can be slowly, how shall we say, redirected,
as Putin has done in various places in Russia.
Not all of them, that's interesting. However.
We are all deeply involved in this system, but without a stop to governments having to
borrow money from banks - how perverse is that?
If we understand that this is perverse - I think there is only one professor in Germany who
teaches this, a Mr. Peukert, written with EU.
If we don't figure this out and change course, we are guaranteed to be lost. That is not a question.
All right. Thank you very much for this really very enlightening all-round report.
We really went into depth, although we could go on talking for hours. We could go into much more depth.
But it also gives an essential picture of where we are, what is currently going on, what
would be a step towards escaping the whole dilemma.
I am very happy that we were able to talk.
Thank you very much.
Mr. Hörstel, thank you and see you next time.
See you next time. Thank you.
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