1 00:00:00,007 --> 00:00:00,126 2 00:00:00,126 --> 00:00:07,003 Germany was once called the export world champion and was among the leading economic powers in the world. 3 00:00:07,003 --> 00:00:11,520 Today it is at the bottom among all industrialized nations. 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:20,024 The working population is suffering from high inflation, rising energy costs, housing shortages, and rising rents. 5 00:00:20,024 --> 00:00:23,400 Many people fear losing their jobs. 6 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:36,064 The poverty rate is constantly rising and in 2025 stood at 16.1%, affecting 13.3 million people. How could it come to this? 7 00:00:36,064 --> 00:00:41,256 Does the decline of the German economy result solely from the inability of German 8 00:00:41,256 --> 00:00:44,873 politicians, who make the wrong economic decisions? 9 00:00:44,873 --> 00:00:48,529 Or are Putin and the Ukraine war to blame? 10 00:00:48,529 --> 00:00:54,929 Auf1's editor-in-chief, Stefan Magnet, interviewed economist Prof. Richard Werner, who knows the 11 00:00:54,929 --> 00:00:59,150 monetary and central banking system from the inside. 12 00:00:59,150 --> 00:01:06,590 In the following interview, he describes how "central planners" have the world's events fully under control, starting 13 00:01:06,590 --> 00:01:14,193 with World War I through Corona to the issue of Germany's sovereignty and the collapse of the German economy. 14 00:01:14,193 --> 00:01:22,044 According to Prof. Werner, Germany's decline is not an accident, but exactly what these "central planners" want. 15 00:01:22,044 --> 00:01:27,308 It is about controlling people in detail. It was centrally planned, that cannot be denied. 16 00:01:27,308 --> 00:01:35,086 The EU is simply not democratic, and the European Parliament that exists is not a real parliament. 17 00:01:35,086 --> 00:01:44,981 The legal situation is that Germany is under CIA control, because the Americans never de facto gave up 18 00:01:44,981 --> 00:01:50,326 their occupation powers. They did not give them up. 19 00:01:50,326 --> 00:02:00,288 It really looks that way. The Morgenthau Plan is now being implemented; in the Morgenthau Plan it was already said back 20 00:02:00,288 --> 00:02:10,920 then, in 1945—that was the then Secretary of the Treasury in the USA, who advocated for it and proposed it—yes, Germany must in 21 00:02:10,920 --> 00:02:18,120 principle be wiped out, in particular deindustrialized, because the economic power has 22 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:22,705 always been a thorn in the side of certain people. 23 00:02:22,705 --> 00:02:30,879 The economic power must be destroyed, centralization of decisions, centralization of control over the 24 00:02:30,879 --> 00:02:35,678 digital infrastructure and thus precisely control over us. 25 00:02:35,678 --> 00:02:46,261 AI is the control tool that is then to be linked with the central bank digital currency, and then we are in total prison. 26 00:02:46,261 --> 00:02:50,271 That is worse than George Orwell could ever have imagined. 27 00:02:50,271 --> 00:02:54,790 It is time not to put up with this. 28 00:03:02,964 --> 00:03:08,612 Yes, dear Professor Werner, thank you for taking the time so that we can hold a conversation here today in the German Bundestag. 29 00:03:08,612 --> 00:03:11,217 With pleasure, it is a joy for me. 30 00:03:11,217 --> 00:03:18,017 You are not only an economist who talks about things he has only learned in the lecture hall, but you 31 00:03:18,017 --> 00:03:21,745 are actually someone who can be considered an insider. 32 00:03:21,745 --> 00:03:28,728 You were—I have summarized it only briefly for the viewers—you were a visiting researcher at the Bank of Japan, you were a 33 00:03:28,728 --> 00:03:34,738 visiting scholar at the Japanese Ministry of Finance, you were chief economist, fund manager, you were on 34 00:03:34,738 --> 00:03:38,179 the ECB Shadow Council, we will come to that later. 35 00:03:38,179 --> 00:03:47,200 Your last positions were professorships, stays in China and in the United Kingdom; currently, I believe, you are also in Oxford. 36 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,796 Are you currently coming from the United Kingdom, or were you not there before? 37 00:03:50,796 --> 00:03:59,765 I was in Oxford a few days ago. I always do a one-week summer school at my college, Lineker College, 38 00:03:59,765 --> 00:04:04,364 Frontiers in Economics, and it's always very nice. 39 00:04:04,364 --> 00:04:14,300 It's simply a beautiful environment, and last year we even had a former prime minister come to us. 40 00:04:14,300 --> 00:04:21,368 We always have a very interesting group of people, from students, researchers, PhD researchers to professionals, fund 41 00:04:21,368 --> 00:04:25,607 managers, but of course also central bankers, finance ministers. 42 00:04:25,607 --> 00:04:34,362 We have politicians; this time two members of parliament from European countries were there. 43 00:04:34,362 --> 00:04:39,361 And the whole thing is, of course, very relaxed. We also go punting sometimes and do 44 00:04:39,361 --> 00:04:42,275 other activities that one does in Oxford. 45 00:04:42,275 --> 00:04:49,796 The weather is mostly very good in August, and you can really examine, discuss, analyze, and 46 00:04:49,796 --> 00:04:55,640 question the big problems of the world very well there. 47 00:04:55,640 --> 00:05:05,453 And they do that too, because the exciting thing is, you are still in such very high-caliber circles, 48 00:05:05,453 --> 00:05:11,136 organizing seminars, summer schools, events yourself. 49 00:05:11,136 --> 00:05:16,538 You have seen the monetary system yourself, and you are regarded as a very uncompromising critic of this 50 00:05:16,538 --> 00:05:19,843 monetary system, especially the power of central banks. 51 00:05:19,843 --> 00:05:27,691 In the last interviews, especially in American formats, I saw that you particularly criticize this expansion of 52 00:05:27,691 --> 00:05:31,362 central bank power and the accompanying digitalization. 53 00:05:31,362 --> 00:05:36,588 Could you perhaps paint a future scenario, so that we can dive right in? 54 00:05:36,588 --> 00:05:39,709 What do you fear for the future in the worst case? 55 00:05:39,709 --> 00:05:44,280 What is the goal of central banks and the associated digitalization? 56 00:05:44,280 --> 00:05:55,216 Yes, it's about... digitalization itself is theoretically a neutral tool, but it is being very strongly 57 00:05:55,216 --> 00:06:01,860 pushed forward by the central planners for their purposes. 58 00:06:01,860 --> 00:06:13,019 If you have complete control over digitalization, if you use this neutral tool for bad goals, then you can control people. 59 00:06:13,019 --> 00:06:19,290 A few years ago, one couldn't even imagine that, because it seems very abstract, but with Corona we experienced it. 60 00:06:19,290 --> 00:06:24,964 Anyone who didn't have the appropriate certificate was not allowed to enter a restaurant. 61 00:06:24,964 --> 00:06:29,664 Do you mean that it could ultimately be used against people in that way? 62 00:06:29,664 --> 00:06:35,320 More than that, more than that, that was only a small foretaste. 63 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:45,237 Technical progress is such that one can then program it—if you now go into the bookstore and you want to buy 64 00:06:45,237 --> 00:06:54,912 the book, that you are precisely not allowed to buy this book, or what you have on your pizza. 65 00:06:54,912 --> 00:07:01,376 Mushrooms are still okay, but then salami is not allowed, or whatever. 66 00:07:01,376 --> 00:07:14,080 So one can program that in detail and make it individually tailor-made, custom-made for the person who is the target. 67 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:20,032 Of course, I think for the majority of people it will be automated. 68 00:07:20,032 --> 00:07:26,968 That is why all the data centers, the gigantic data centers, are now being built worldwide. 69 00:07:26,968 --> 00:07:31,200 These are orders of magnitude that are unimaginable. 70 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:44,520 Why? Because an incredible amount of data is now constantly coming in, being analyzed immediately, and immediately the selection 71 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:52,240 and the command come back: is this allowed now, yes or no. 72 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:59,557 So then the majority of people will probably have to spend their lives automated, with 73 00:07:59,557 --> 00:08:04,188 the AI now deciding whether to allow it or not. 74 00:08:04,188 --> 00:08:11,008 Certain templates are then entered by the central planners. That is, after all, the dream of the central planners. 75 00:08:11,008 --> 00:08:21,341 Some people who perhaps stand out a bit and are somewhat too critical, perhaps like us, we will probably receive 76 00:08:21,341 --> 00:08:31,587 personal treatment, but that is then rather also further unpleasant, and that is precisely what I see as the main goal. 77 00:08:31,587 --> 00:08:39,278 It is about controlling people in detail, and that is why there has never been a debate about how this 78 00:08:39,278 --> 00:08:46,758 digitalization should be implemented and how all the possibilities that exist should be used. 79 00:08:46,758 --> 00:08:53,122 So out of the many possibilities, only that which concerns control has been selected very 80 00:08:53,122 --> 00:08:58,020 narrowly so far, control of the majority of people. 81 00:08:58,020 --> 00:09:06,033 That sounds very dystopian. It even sounds, also in various novels written a few decades ago, like what a totally controlled 82 00:09:06,033 --> 00:09:11,718 future could look like—keyword Orwell—only refined by the technical possibilities that one 83 00:09:11,718 --> 00:09:14,986 could not even have imagined 50 or 100 years ago. 84 00:09:14,986 --> 00:09:18,340 Which Orwell could not have imagined either, exactly. 85 00:09:18,340 --> 00:09:25,665 I really do want to go further into that toward the end of the conversation, but now I would like to take a step back. 86 00:09:25,665 --> 00:09:32,810 How far are we actually from getting to the point where especially freedom-loving Europeans put up with all of this? 87 00:09:32,810 --> 00:09:40,361 A few months ago, you were on Tucker Carlson in the USA, on the show, in the program, in an interview with 88 00:09:40,361 --> 00:09:47,052 him, and there you spoke about the role of bankers already 100 years ago in the First World War. 89 00:09:47,052 --> 00:09:50,920 So all of this has a long prehistory. 90 00:09:50,920 --> 00:10:03,701 In any case. And the question of how the Europeans put up with that. Well, if you look at Germany, then it is of course obvious. 91 00:10:03,701 --> 00:10:12,990 Since 1945, the German has been heavily worked on by the media, by the schools. 92 00:10:12,990 --> 00:10:19,206 At that time, it was an official program, the re-education of the Germans, that was introduced by the 93 00:10:19,206 --> 00:10:23,552 Americans, and it seems this program is running to this day. 94 00:10:23,552 --> 00:10:34,253 So a great deal of money and energy is being used, and also labor, to work on people – brainwashing in 95 00:10:34,253 --> 00:10:46,282 principle, so that one just lets it happen, and that has of course also had a great influence in other ways. 96 00:10:46,282 --> 00:10:52,878 And the other European countries, they have indeed fallen into the EU trap. 97 00:10:52,878 --> 00:11:02,665 So the legal situation is that Germany is indeed under CIA control, due to the fact that the Americans never de facto 98 00:11:02,665 --> 00:11:08,653 gave up their occupation powers. They did not give them up. 99 00:11:08,653 --> 00:11:18,630 And the other European countries, they first had to be subjugated anew, so to speak, and that is done through the EU. 100 00:11:18,630 --> 00:11:24,694 And at the same time, Germany is not allowed to regain this sovereignty, because now, well, they are giving up, 101 00:11:24,694 --> 00:11:28,510 everyone has indeed given up their sovereignty within this EU. 102 00:11:28,510 --> 00:11:39,442 And the EU is an extremely undemocratic institution. Very few people are aware of that. 103 00:11:39,442 --> 00:11:44,189 So the legal organization is that of a dictatorship. 104 00:11:44,189 --> 00:11:48,250 That is a dictatorship, and if one says that, then one thinks, yes, that is formulated a bit 105 00:11:48,250 --> 00:11:51,283 polemically here, he says, that is the Brussels dictatorship. 106 00:11:51,283 --> 00:11:56,980 But legally it is a dictatorship, and the best thing is simply to compare it with the Soviet Union. 107 00:11:56,980 --> 00:12:04,040 Because the Soviet Union, as we all now agree, of course, that was a dictatorship. 108 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:12,492 But it claimed it was a democracy, and how was that justified? 109 00:12:12,492 --> 00:12:23,032 Look, we have a parliament, there are elected representatives and they discuss all sorts of things and laws and so on. 110 00:12:23,032 --> 00:12:28,637 But the key was, those were not real legislators, those were not legislators. 111 00:12:28,637 --> 00:12:38,018 So we are here in the Bundestag, these are legislators, but unfortunately they are of course outdone by Brussels and 112 00:12:38,018 --> 00:12:43,633 Brussels has, as far as we have come now, the supreme authority. 113 00:12:43,633 --> 00:12:52,786 But the EU is simply not democratic and the European Parliament, which exists, is not a real parliament. 114 00:12:52,786 --> 00:13:02,244 They are simply not legislators, they do not have the power to formulate the laws, to present them and then introduce them, but 115 00:13:02,244 --> 00:13:07,260 all laws have so far been written by the European Commission. 116 00:13:07,260 --> 00:13:14,135 That is where they come from and those are the legislators, which means the parliament is not a real parliament. 117 00:13:14,135 --> 00:13:22,387 Well, the people who have a job there as members of the European Parliament do not like to talk about it either, because they get 118 00:13:22,387 --> 00:13:28,016 a pretty hefty salary tax-free – mainly – and all sorts of allowances and de facto it is 119 00:13:28,016 --> 00:13:30,918 a clown show, because it is a dictatorship. 120 00:13:30,918 --> 00:13:36,169 Everything is done by Brussels and that is where the laws are written, then they are finished. 121 00:13:36,169 --> 00:13:44,363 The parliament can delay a little and debates are sometimes held, but it does not change the fact that the laws in 122 00:13:44,363 --> 00:13:49,255 Brussels were written by the commissioners, by the dictators. 123 00:13:49,255 --> 00:13:57,517 Well, and as a result we now have the situation where all the democratic, formerly democratic countries have already given 124 00:13:57,517 --> 00:14:02,302 up their sovereignty, are now subjugated by a dictatorship. 125 00:14:02,302 --> 00:14:07,944 And that has of course also had a great many effects on the media. 126 00:14:07,944 --> 00:14:17,343 All of this was prepared long in advance, step by step, and it was always ensured that the media, that is, the major mainstream 127 00:14:17,343 --> 00:14:24,818 media, the official media so to speak, that they are always on the same side and never emphasize such 128 00:14:24,818 --> 00:14:29,285 things or explain to people how things really work. 129 00:14:29,285 --> 00:14:36,280 And as a result, we simply have too many people in Europe who are not informed about what is actually going on. 130 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:44,285 And when it is then said, yes, now the digital currency is coming, isn't it great, isn't it progress, isn't it efficient, 131 00:14:44,285 --> 00:14:53,468 then only the theoretically positive sides are highlighted, which the instrument would have under genuine democratic leadership. 132 00:14:53,468 --> 00:15:02,502 But in the hands of a dictatorship, like Brussels and also the ECB, because as I said, that is not the continuation of the 133 00:15:02,502 --> 00:15:11,240 Bundesbank, but the resurrected Reichsbank, a very undemocratic, very powerful, independent and de facto unaccountable 134 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:16,589 central bank that can do anything, is allowed to do anything. 135 00:15:16,589 --> 00:15:21,605 And that is of course deployed in the interests of the EU dictatorship in Brussels. 136 00:15:21,605 --> 00:15:27,712 And when it is such a system, then that is catastrophic, that is a worst-case scenario. 137 00:15:27,712 --> 00:15:34,457 Now you mentioned in passing that the Americans have essentially never given up their occupation power. 138 00:15:34,457 --> 00:15:42,900 Is Germany accordingly currently not sovereign, independent of the EU, but also with regard to the Americans? 139 00:15:42,900 --> 00:15:50,642 Yes, Germany is not sovereign, Mr. Schäuble, the finance minister at the time, also said that. Since 140 00:15:50,642 --> 00:15:56,469 1945, Germany has not been sovereign for a single day. 141 00:15:56,469 --> 00:16:03,106 How does that manifest? Well, we naturally see the formal points. We have no constitution, we have 142 00:16:03,106 --> 00:16:06,945 a Basic Law, as is customary in occupation zones. 143 00:16:06,945 --> 00:16:18,230 And originally, it was officially an occupation administration until the early 1990s, and we have no peace treaty. 144 00:16:18,230 --> 00:16:25,044 We are still enemy territory in the UN Charter, and with this 2 plus 4 Treaty, there is indeed the 145 00:16:25,044 --> 00:16:29,879 appearance that: Oh, now we are suddenly sovereign! 146 00:16:29,879 --> 00:16:41,471 But when you analyze it closely, that is de facto not the case either, because the powerful parties in the treaty are still 147 00:16:41,471 --> 00:16:53,275 the Allies, and 2 plus 4—the 4 are the Allies, and the 2 are the spectators, namely the former GDR and the Federal Republic. 148 00:16:53,275 --> 00:17:00,382 They were the spectators in this treaty, and whatever the Allies wrote down there—well, they wrote it down 149 00:17:00,382 --> 00:17:04,957 there, but they did not really give up their power de facto. 150 00:17:04,957 --> 00:17:15,998 And at the same time, of course, under NATO, there is another surrender of elements of sovereignty to NATO, and NATO would of 151 00:17:15,998 --> 00:17:22,208 course be led by the Americans, so we see no sovereignty there. 152 00:17:22,208 --> 00:17:30,057 Now, when one looks at history, there were plans and considerations to actually 153 00:17:30,057 --> 00:17:34,130 eliminate Germany after 1945—completely. 154 00:17:34,130 --> 00:17:40,610 There were also discussions, heated discussions in the USA, about where the atomic bomb should not be used against Germany. 155 00:17:40,610 --> 00:17:48,217 And then that camp prevailed, which said, no, we will build them back up, we need them, so to speak, to erect a 156 00:17:48,217 --> 00:17:55,072 bulwark against the Soviets, but also to regain economic upswing after the Second World War. 157 00:17:55,072 --> 00:18:01,170 Germany is the paymaster of the whole world. Germany keeps the European Union alive through its subsidies. 158 00:18:01,170 --> 00:18:06,276 We also have the Ukraine war, with its billions; without Germany, nothing would work anymore. 159 00:18:06,276 --> 00:18:13,198 But now, over the last 10 to 20 years, one has the feeling that Germany is now to be sacrificed. 160 00:18:13,198 --> 00:18:16,849 Are the old plans possibly being implemented now? 161 00:18:16,849 --> 00:18:23,840 Yes, so it really looks that way, so the Morgenthau Plan is now being implemented. 162 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:34,216 In the Morgenthau Plan, it already said 45 back then, that was the then Secretary of the Treasury in the USA, who advocated for 163 00:18:34,216 --> 00:18:44,510 it and proposed that Germany must in principle be wiped out, especially deindustrialized, because the economic power, that has 164 00:18:44,510 --> 00:18:54,723 always been a thorn in the side of certain people, the economic power must be destroyed, first deindustrialization and second 165 00:18:54,723 --> 00:19:00,110 the population – we actually want to replace the population. 166 00:19:00,110 --> 00:19:11,553 That is the Morgenthau Plan and of course, if you look at it now since 2015, both measures are underway. 167 00:19:11,553 --> 00:19:18,970 The university professor Hutten then also reaffirmed this once again and explained it precisely, who wrote the sentence: 168 00:19:18,970 --> 00:19:26,467 One should bring German men abroad into forced war captivity as much as possible and settle many non-German citizens. 169 00:19:26,467 --> 00:19:33,620 And that is exactly what we have been experiencing at the latest since 2015 – there is a boost here. That can of course be an 170 00:19:33,620 --> 00:19:39,056 unfortunate coincidence, but when you deal with all these things and especially look at it over 171 00:19:39,056 --> 00:19:42,570 decades, then you very reluctantly believe in coincidences. 172 00:19:42,570 --> 00:19:52,087 You have addressed something very exciting, namely that those who bring about all these things or who plan them in advance do not 173 00:19:52,087 --> 00:19:59,907 think in terms of peoples or nation-states at all, because you addressed very excitingly on Tucker Carlson 174 00:19:59,907 --> 00:20:06,866 how the German Reichsbank and American finances were more or less connected with one family. 175 00:20:06,866 --> 00:20:12,152 Would you perhaps like to recall that once again for the German audience? We presumably do not know that. 176 00:20:12,152 --> 00:20:21,354 Yes, well, I mean, it's a good example that the financial wires in the background are extremely important. 177 00:20:21,354 --> 00:20:25,806 And then you simply see, when you look at the money, what is really going on. 178 00:20:25,806 --> 00:20:34,004 So the timing was precisely when America declared war on Germany in 1917. 179 00:20:34,004 --> 00:20:46,228 America and Germany were now at war against each other, and at that time, however, it was like this – well, soldiers have to 180 00:20:46,228 --> 00:20:57,865 shoot each other, smash each other's heads in – but the war economy is also a very centrally, centrally organized economy, 181 00:20:57,865 --> 00:21:04,920 and at the top of the pyramid is, of course, the central bank. 182 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:10,796 And in Germany that was the Reichsbank, and in America, the Federal Reserve, which had just 183 00:21:10,796 --> 00:21:13,120 been founded for this very purpose just in time. 184 00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:19,175 For most of American history, after all, they had no central bank, and things ran very well without a central bank. 185 00:21:19,175 --> 00:21:31,442 But then, through all sorts of tricks, the Federal Reserve was founded, so it was passed at the end of 1913 and then founded in 186 00:21:31,442 --> 00:21:40,232 1914, and now, who are the key people in these two central banks, who are at the top of the 187 00:21:40,232 --> 00:21:46,218 economy and, yes, de facto also in the war economy? 188 00:21:46,218 --> 00:21:57,533 In Germany, that was – so de facto the most important man at the Reichsbank was Max Warburg. 189 00:21:57,533 --> 00:22:07,553 You can see that, for example, from how he signs, when important people are appointed, for example the head of 190 00:22:07,553 --> 00:22:18,290 the Reichsbank, his signature is on it too, and of course Adolf Hitler's signature as well. 191 00:22:18,290 --> 00:22:29,333 So this is Max Warburg on the German side, and in America the founder, the real founder of the Federal Reserve was his brother 192 00:22:29,333 --> 00:22:40,113 Paul Warburg, who of course was also a German citizen until 1911, came to America and then founded the Federal Reserve, and 193 00:22:40,113 --> 00:22:50,894 although he was never Governor or the official top man, just like Max Warburg, he was one of the leading directors who were 194 00:22:50,894 --> 00:23:00,096 involved for a very long time and pulled the strings there, and in his case he essentially also wrote the 195 00:23:00,096 --> 00:23:09,550 entire legal basis when it was put together, how the Federal Reserve is organized and so on. 196 00:23:09,550 --> 00:23:17,568 So then we have two brothers at the head of these war economies of the countries that are fighting each other 197 00:23:17,568 --> 00:23:25,228 in the war, and the soldiers have to kill each other, and that of course shows how things work. 198 00:23:25,228 --> 00:23:32,037 It is actually unbelievable that profit is being made from a single family on both war fronts, so to speak, through 199 00:23:32,037 --> 00:23:35,646 the war economy or that one is very close to the financing. 200 00:23:35,646 --> 00:23:38,644 Financing is always also a business. 201 00:23:38,644 --> 00:23:46,934 If we now jump back to the present, we would say about the current war, for example in Ukraine, which apparently has no end, 202 00:23:46,934 --> 00:23:55,491 right now in mid-September, Ursula von der Leyen proudly announces again that a new package of 5 billion is being put on the way 203 00:23:55,491 --> 00:24:00,436 for Ukrainian armaments, for drones, that is a bottomless pit. 204 00:24:00,436 --> 00:24:05,885 That is a bounty, that is a bounty for the Ukrainians, they must be wiped out. 205 00:24:05,885 --> 00:24:12,804 Apparently there are still a few Ukrainians who have not yet died, apparently two million have 206 00:24:12,804 --> 00:24:16,864 already died, and so the fighting must continue. 207 00:24:16,864 --> 00:24:21,097 Of course on the Russian side as well, very many dead. 208 00:24:21,097 --> 00:24:27,465 So it is extremely tragic and sad and unnecessary and useless, because of course all of this could 209 00:24:27,465 --> 00:24:30,748 have been avoided entirely from the very beginning. 210 00:24:30,748 --> 00:24:37,747 There was also this peace treaty right at the beginning, where the Western side, Great Britain, got involved. 211 00:24:37,747 --> 00:24:47,572 No, absolutely not, just keep going, we stand behind you. Keep bashing each other's heads in. 212 00:24:47,572 --> 00:24:56,448 And at the same time, this also bleeds the economy in the EU dry, because it is of course not productive. 213 00:24:56,448 --> 00:25:04,766 It is indeed a stimulation of the economy when you boost the war economy, but it is extremely 214 00:25:04,766 --> 00:25:10,082 unproductive and does not lead to a higher standard of living. 215 00:25:10,082 --> 00:25:20,491 On the contrary, values are burned, shot away, and wasted that could be used productively. 216 00:25:20,491 --> 00:25:29,603 You just have to take a short trip to China and look at what is being done in China, where percentage-wise, very little is put 217 00:25:29,603 --> 00:25:37,413 into the military, but very much into the welfare of the population and what can be offered in cities and in 218 00:25:37,413 --> 00:25:42,690 the country in terms of infrastructure and opportunities. 219 00:25:42,690 --> 00:25:48,313 Then you can see how it could be arranged alternatively if you don't throw money out for wars. 220 00:25:48,313 --> 00:25:51,163 Yes, perhaps for someone who doesn't deal with it that much. 221 00:25:51,163 --> 00:25:58,513 Productive economy, you mean, referring to infrastructure, trams are being built, subways are being built so that people can get 222 00:25:58,513 --> 00:26:05,288 from A to B faster, it's more comfortable, it's also more environmentally friendly, or in production machines, so that 223 00:26:05,288 --> 00:26:12,064 people not only get into work, but the produced means are then again turned to the welfare of the population, that is, 224 00:26:12,064 --> 00:26:19,039 into a cycle, and the war economy inevitably ends with the use of war equipment in death and in ruin and downfall. 225 00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:26,429 Who benefits then when there is such a war, because it was discussed very early on that large capital owners like 226 00:26:26,429 --> 00:26:30,703 BlackRock and asset managers have secured certain rights there. 227 00:26:30,703 --> 00:26:37,806 Habeck once said in passing at the World Economic Forum that we are liable for the investments of the investors there, so the 228 00:26:37,806 --> 00:26:44,000 German state is liable, so is the reconstruction already priced into this war, which in turn the taxpayers of 229 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,505 the countries that are stupid enough will have to pay for? 230 00:26:47,505 --> 00:26:51,587 Yes, I think so. But here it is of course also about control. 231 00:26:51,587 --> 00:26:59,168 So certain companies and individuals have bought in big there, secured rights. 232 00:26:59,168 --> 00:27:10,970 There will be a reconstruction, but it will then not benefit ordinary Ukrainians and also not Europeans in general. 233 00:27:10,970 --> 00:27:20,081 Yes, it is then land grabbing, of course. I mean, the country is then also relatively depopulated, isn't it? That is happening. 234 00:27:20,081 --> 00:27:26,826 And that also seems to be part of this calculation. So everything very, yes, very cynical. 235 00:27:26,826 --> 00:27:37,376 And it is quite clear, one must first and foremost ensure that the war stops. But that seems to be forbidden in the West. 236 00:27:37,376 --> 00:27:45,459 Do you believe, based on your analyses you also observe geopolitics very closely, and could one imagine, perhaps 237 00:27:45,459 --> 00:27:49,312 also the one or other financial flows and preparations. 238 00:27:49,312 --> 00:27:53,615 Do you believe that there will be a war? Actually. 239 00:27:53,615 --> 00:28:00,419 I mean, the provocations on the part of the European Union or the German federal government, drone accusations 240 00:28:00,419 --> 00:28:04,408 and so on against Russia, we experience them weekly by now. 241 00:28:04,408 --> 00:28:12,190 But do you believe that it could really come to a hot war, Germany against Russia or the EU against Russia? 242 00:28:12,190 --> 00:28:23,452 One must say, the EU, the NATO states and our politicians, those who have a say so far, they are 243 00:28:23,452 --> 00:28:31,960 really extremely eager to wage a war against Russia. 244 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,188 And that is of course a very bad situation. 245 00:28:35,188 --> 00:28:41,310 That makes it very likely that there will be a war against Russia and thus a Third World War. 246 00:28:41,310 --> 00:28:51,025 One hope would be, can they be voted out, can somehow other reasonable people in the West be brought to power? 247 00:28:51,025 --> 00:29:01,630 That is a question. But at the moment everything is directed toward war against Russia, which is actually insane, absurd. 248 00:29:01,630 --> 00:29:08,669 Because that makes no sense. The war cannot be won. 249 00:29:08,669 --> 00:29:15,584 And the costs, that is simply catastrophic, including of course on a human level. 250 00:29:15,584 --> 00:29:26,062 It is a huge catastrophe that we are being steered toward by the powerful. Who are these powerful? 251 00:29:26,062 --> 00:29:31,646 You mentioned Covid earlier, the Corona time. 252 00:29:31,646 --> 00:29:38,224 It was actually already very interesting to see how coordinated everything was at that time. 253 00:29:38,224 --> 00:29:44,953 There, in principle, the powerful of the world showed how much power they have. 254 00:29:44,953 --> 00:29:52,345 Because the Corona measures were, well, I come from a medical family and that was actually complete nonsense, that was clear. 255 00:29:52,345 --> 00:30:01,764 But it was a very specific combination of nonsensical measures, which, however, were carried out simultaneously 256 00:30:01,764 --> 00:30:07,766 by every country in this specific nonsensical combination. 257 00:30:07,766 --> 00:30:13,373 And that is of course no coincidence, that is clear. So there one sees the coordination and since 258 00:30:13,373 --> 00:30:16,932 there was indeed resistance, but it was pushed through. 259 00:30:16,932 --> 00:30:19,402 Quite a lot was pushed through. 260 00:30:19,402 --> 00:30:28,960 This just shows that there is a small number of central planners who plan such things centrally and can push them through at least 261 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:36,533 in Western Europe and North America and then a few Five Eyes, that is Australia, New Zealand and so on, 262 00:30:36,533 --> 00:30:44,093 Japan, which actually belongs to the American sphere of influence, to the American empire. 263 00:30:44,093 --> 00:30:49,314 And beyond that probably other countries as well. So there are these central planners. It 264 00:30:49,314 --> 00:30:52,873 was planned centrally, that cannot be denied. 265 00:30:52,873 --> 00:31:04,610 And they want this war against Russia, which now seems to be the new song that one has to sing. 266 00:31:04,610 --> 00:31:12,512 And if that is the case, then things look bad. In my view, President Putin has behaved very patiently so far. 267 00:31:12,512 --> 00:31:21,310 This provocation, the constant, often completely fabricated things that are then spread in the media, claimed in Great 268 00:31:21,310 --> 00:31:31,003 Britain, in Germany, everything actually very anti-Russian, only in order to, one could call it something other than warmongering, 269 00:31:31,003 --> 00:31:41,888 that is to agitate against Russia and to agitate people, to get them in the mood, if one then wants to actively enter into a war. 270 00:31:41,888 --> 00:31:53,365 It seems that the goal is to provoke until Russia strikes back, that is long-range weapons, which are then of course controlled 271 00:31:53,365 --> 00:32:04,974 by, for example, the Bundeswehr or by Great Britain or France, of course fired by Ukraine, but controlled by NATO troops. 272 00:32:04,974 --> 00:32:10,469 That is actually already happening and the Russians have already said, we now already have the right to strike 273 00:32:10,469 --> 00:32:15,289 back into the West, into the EU, into the NATO states themselves, they have not done so so far. 274 00:32:15,289 --> 00:32:25,550 But if there is further provocation, even further, I fear that at some point patience will come to an end, we just heard that last 275 00:32:25,550 --> 00:32:32,811 week too, Russian patience, said Mr. Lavrov, the Foreign Minister, also has its limits, then 276 00:32:32,811 --> 00:32:36,030 it can start and we must not put up with that. 277 00:32:36,030 --> 00:32:43,275 I always say we allow our politicians far too much and the Germans are simply too good-natured and, of course, have also 278 00:32:43,275 --> 00:32:48,680 been worked on by the media for a very long time, by the schools, etc., for a very long time, 279 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,048 but it is time not to put up with such things. 280 00:32:52,048 --> 00:32:55,664 And that is, of course, also the case when it comes to economic policy. 281 00:32:55,664 --> 00:33:03,190 The point is, we mentioned the Morgentau Plan, to deindustrialize Germany, to ruin the economy, and that is taking place. 282 00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:12,437 We must not put up with this, because Germany could easily deliver 10%, 12% growth, every year for decades, then 283 00:33:12,437 --> 00:33:21,728 one would double the national income every five or six years and then double it again and then double it again. 284 00:33:21,728 --> 00:33:30,039 The Chinese did that in 40 years and that just shows we could have the greatest prosperity imaginable and it 285 00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:35,936 could be well distributed so that everyone has a share of it. 286 00:33:35,936 --> 00:33:40,279 We can create such a world. 287 00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:45,939 The people who are making decisions at the moment do not want that, they have completely different plans, but we 288 00:33:45,939 --> 00:33:49,652 must not allow this, we have to do something about it now. 289 00:33:49,652 --> 00:33:57,690 That is actually a good closing word. But I still have to finish spanning the arc that we opened at the beginning. 290 00:33:57,690 --> 00:34:03,583 I will try to keep it short. If a war comes now, the war would accelerate everything and would, of course, bring the 291 00:34:03,583 --> 00:34:06,926 dramatic destruction before our eyes, visible to everyone 292 00:34:06,926 --> 00:34:13,343 But there could also be a rapid development without war in the next five to ten years, 293 00:34:13,343 --> 00:34:16,935 that we find ourselves in a digital prison. 294 00:34:16,935 --> 00:34:24,020 Will the mobile phone then be the controlling authority that steers us all, or is it already going further? 295 00:34:24,020 --> 00:34:30,500 How do you think this control will then look in practice? 296 00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:38,150 Yes, so the central bank digital currency is what the ECB wants to push through, even though nobody wants it, nobody needs it. 297 00:34:38,150 --> 00:34:42,688 There is no good reason. That is actually quite mysterious. 298 00:34:42,688 --> 00:34:49,088 You can see it in this: it's not about the official goals, it's about control. 299 00:34:49,088 --> 00:34:57,015 Because we have already been using bank digital currency, but not central bank digital currency; rather, the 300 00:34:57,015 --> 00:35:03,382 banks also create money through credit creation, and that is digital money, which we have used. 301 00:35:03,382 --> 00:35:09,420 But that is decentralized, and the central planners don't want that. They want to centralize everything. 302 00:35:09,420 --> 00:35:18,025 We have to be against that. That is the big problem, centralization of decisions, centralization of control 303 00:35:18,025 --> 00:35:23,230 over the digital infrastructure and thus control over us. 304 00:35:23,230 --> 00:35:28,265 All of that must be decentralized, all the power structures and decisions. That is an 305 00:35:28,265 --> 00:35:32,187 old, extremely successful Prussian principle. 306 00:35:32,187 --> 00:35:38,692 Decentralization, the principle of subsidiarity—that is how the Prussian army was extremely successful. 307 00:35:38,692 --> 00:35:43,488 The officer at the front must have decision-making authority. 308 00:35:43,488 --> 00:35:49,593 For that, one must train people well, but that is great, then you have a very well-trained general population. 309 00:35:49,593 --> 00:35:55,392 And at the same time, one must do the same at the political level. That was also the Prussian principle. 310 00:35:55,392 --> 00:35:58,636 Unfortunately, for decades we have always had the opposite. 311 00:35:58,636 --> 00:36:06,690 Control, centralization and the central bank digital currency. Of course, it is supposed to be introduced. 312 00:36:06,690 --> 00:36:15,023 Because nobody wants it, you then need an excuse or a crisis, as always. 313 00:36:15,023 --> 00:36:18,495 I fear a banking crisis will be created in Germany. 314 00:36:18,495 --> 00:36:24,329 I have warned about this before, because the ECB has created this real estate bubble, which then 315 00:36:24,329 --> 00:36:27,991 peaked in 2022 and since then it has been going down. 316 00:36:27,991 --> 00:36:35,750 And then, although you can delay it, at some point it will destroy the banking system, because the banks 317 00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:43,734 have not issued productive credit creation for asset purchases. That is always the classic tool. 318 00:36:43,734 --> 00:36:49,321 Then the digital euro will be introduced at the same time, because then everyone will withdraw their funds 319 00:36:49,321 --> 00:36:52,350 from the banks and then the banks will suddenly be gone. 320 00:36:52,350 --> 00:36:59,710 Then there will only be one bank left, the central bank. That is the Soviet Union. They also only had one bank, the central bank. 321 00:36:59,710 --> 00:37:03,544 That is the goal of the central bankers. What will that look like then? 322 00:37:03,544 --> 00:37:16,800 If the central bankers can impose their will in an ideal way, then in a certain way that means microchip implants 323 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:24,836 under the skin or even elsewhere, perhaps even in the head. 324 00:37:24,836 --> 00:37:27,091 Are we being persuaded again that it is so practical? 325 00:37:27,091 --> 00:37:37,267 Yes, that is efficient. You cannot lose a phone, then it does not matter. There are always reasons. 326 00:37:37,267 --> 00:37:39,684 Then all this transhumanism comes into it as well. 327 00:37:39,684 --> 00:37:50,234 It has already practically become a kind of industry, where the point is to connect machine and human and to connect the 328 00:37:50,234 --> 00:37:56,248 whole digital system and, of course, AI as well with the human. 329 00:37:56,248 --> 00:38:01,061 Would it not be great if you had such an implant, where the AI is also inside, then it is much 330 00:38:01,061 --> 00:38:05,070 easier to think. The AI will then think for you. 331 00:38:06,756 --> 00:38:11,859 I think that is the goal. As I said, it will be connected with AI. 332 00:38:11,859 --> 00:38:18,832 AI is the control tool that is then supposed to be connected with the central bank digital 333 00:38:18,832 --> 00:38:22,344 currency, and then we are in a total prison. 334 00:38:22,344 --> 00:38:27,749 That is worse than George Orwell could ever have imagined. 335 00:38:27,749 --> 00:38:33,117 But a very positive outlook from you nonetheless. You believe we will make it, because otherwise you wouldn't 336 00:38:33,117 --> 00:38:37,359 constantly argue against it and stick your neck out so boldly. 337 00:38:37,359 --> 00:38:50,350 Yes, I am optimistic. It is a huge challenge, but that is why we must now do our utmost to prevent it. 338 00:38:50,350 --> 00:39:01,397 I am also optimistic when it comes to the Germans, actually, because at the core I see a lot of positive things there. 339 00:39:01,397 --> 00:39:07,276 It just needs a little awakening, and they need to wake up from their slumber now. 340 00:39:07,276 --> 00:39:13,350 It is time to save not only Germany now, but also the world. 341 00:39:13,350 --> 00:39:17,287 That is the closing word, Prof. Werner. Many thanks for this conversation. 342 00:39:17,287 --> 00:39:22,833 We will continue this, then we will talk about the possibilities of prosperity growth, about the positive things, 343 00:39:22,833 --> 00:39:25,942 and I look forward to the next conversation. Many thanks. 344 00:39:25,942 --> 00:39:26,742 I thank you.