WEBVTT 00:00.126 --> 00:07.003 Germany was once called the export world champion and was among the leading economic powers in the world. 00:07.003 --> 00:11.520 Today it is at the bottom among all industrialized nations. 00:11.520 --> 00:20.024 The working population is suffering from high inflation, rising energy costs, housing shortages, and rising rents. 00:20.024 --> 00:23.400 Many people fear losing their jobs. 00:23.400 --> 00:36.064 The poverty rate is constantly rising and in 2025 stood at 16.1%, affecting 13.3 million people. How could it come to this? 00:36.064 --> 00:41.256 Does the decline of the German economy result solely from the inability of German 00:41.256 --> 00:44.873 politicians, who make the wrong economic decisions? 00:44.873 --> 00:48.529 Or are Putin and the Ukraine war to blame? 00:48.529 --> 00:54.929 Auf1's editor-in-chief, Stefan Magnet, interviewed economist Prof. Richard Werner, who knows the 00:54.929 --> 00:59.150 monetary and central banking system from the inside. 00:59.150 --> 01:06.590 In the following interview, he describes how "central planners" have the world's events fully under control, starting 01:06.590 --> 01:14.193 with World War I through Corona to the issue of Germany's sovereignty and the collapse of the German economy. 01:14.193 --> 01:22.044 According to Prof. Werner, Germany's decline is not an accident, but exactly what these "central planners" want. 01:22.044 --> 01:27.308 It is about controlling people in detail. It was centrally planned, that cannot be denied. 01:27.308 --> 01:35.086 The EU is simply not democratic, and the European Parliament that exists is not a real parliament. 01:35.086 --> 01:44.981 The legal situation is that Germany is under CIA control, because the Americans never de facto gave up 01:44.981 --> 01:50.326 their occupation powers. They did not give them up. 01:50.326 --> 02:00.288 It really looks that way. The Morgenthau Plan is now being implemented; in the Morgenthau Plan it was already said back 02:00.288 --> 02:10.920 then, in 1945—that was the then Secretary of the Treasury in the USA, who advocated for it and proposed it—yes, Germany must in 02:10.920 --> 02:18.120 principle be wiped out, in particular deindustrialized, because the economic power has 02:18.120 --> 02:22.705 always been a thorn in the side of certain people. 02:22.705 --> 02:30.879 The economic power must be destroyed, centralization of decisions, centralization of control over the 02:30.879 --> 02:35.678 digital infrastructure and thus precisely control over us. 02:35.678 --> 02:46.261 AI is the control tool that is then to be linked with the central bank digital currency, and then we are in total prison. 02:46.261 --> 02:50.271 That is worse than George Orwell could ever have imagined. 02:50.271 --> 02:54.790 It is time not to put up with this. 03:02.964 --> 03:08.612 Yes, dear Professor Werner, thank you for taking the time so that we can hold a conversation here today in the German Bundestag. 03:08.612 --> 03:11.217 With pleasure, it is a joy for me. 03:11.217 --> 03:18.017 You are not only an economist who talks about things he has only learned in the lecture hall, but you 03:18.017 --> 03:21.745 are actually someone who can be considered an insider. 03:21.745 --> 03:28.728 You were—I have summarized it only briefly for the viewers—you were a visiting researcher at the Bank of Japan, you were a 03:28.728 --> 03:34.738 visiting scholar at the Japanese Ministry of Finance, you were chief economist, fund manager, you were on 03:34.738 --> 03:38.179 the ECB Shadow Council, we will come to that later. 03:38.179 --> 03:47.200 Your last positions were professorships, stays in China and in the United Kingdom; currently, I believe, you are also in Oxford. 03:47.200 --> 03:50.796 Are you currently coming from the United Kingdom, or were you not there before? 03:50.796 --> 03:59.765 I was in Oxford a few days ago. I always do a one-week summer school at my college, Lineker College, 03:59.765 --> 04:04.364 Frontiers in Economics, and it's always very nice. 04:04.364 --> 04:14.300 It's simply a beautiful environment, and last year we even had a former prime minister come to us. 04:14.300 --> 04:21.368 We always have a very interesting group of people, from students, researchers, PhD researchers to professionals, fund 04:21.368 --> 04:25.607 managers, but of course also central bankers, finance ministers. 04:25.607 --> 04:34.362 We have politicians; this time two members of parliament from European countries were there. 04:34.362 --> 04:39.361 And the whole thing is, of course, very relaxed. We also go punting sometimes and do 04:39.361 --> 04:42.275 other activities that one does in Oxford. 04:42.275 --> 04:49.796 The weather is mostly very good in August, and you can really examine, discuss, analyze, and 04:49.796 --> 04:55.640 question the big problems of the world very well there. 04:55.640 --> 05:05.453 And they do that too, because the exciting thing is, you are still in such very high-caliber circles, 05:05.453 --> 05:11.136 organizing seminars, summer schools, events yourself. 05:11.136 --> 05:16.538 You have seen the monetary system yourself, and you are regarded as a very uncompromising critic of this 05:16.538 --> 05:19.843 monetary system, especially the power of central banks. 05:19.843 --> 05:27.691 In the last interviews, especially in American formats, I saw that you particularly criticize this expansion of 05:27.691 --> 05:31.362 central bank power and the accompanying digitalization. 05:31.362 --> 05:36.588 Could you perhaps paint a future scenario, so that we can dive right in? 05:36.588 --> 05:39.709 What do you fear for the future in the worst case? 05:39.709 --> 05:44.280 What is the goal of central banks and the associated digitalization? 05:44.280 --> 05:55.216 Yes, it's about... digitalization itself is theoretically a neutral tool, but it is being very strongly 05:55.216 --> 06:01.860 pushed forward by the central planners for their purposes. 06:01.860 --> 06:13.019 If you have complete control over digitalization, if you use this neutral tool for bad goals, then you can control people. 06:13.019 --> 06:19.290 A few years ago, one couldn't even imagine that, because it seems very abstract, but with Corona we experienced it. 06:19.290 --> 06:24.964 Anyone who didn't have the appropriate certificate was not allowed to enter a restaurant. 06:24.964 --> 06:29.664 Do you mean that it could ultimately be used against people in that way? 06:29.664 --> 06:35.320 More than that, more than that, that was only a small foretaste. 06:35.320 --> 06:45.237 Technical progress is such that one can then program it—if you now go into the bookstore and you want to buy 06:45.237 --> 06:54.912 the book, that you are precisely not allowed to buy this book, or what you have on your pizza. 06:54.912 --> 07:01.376 Mushrooms are still okay, but then salami is not allowed, or whatever. 07:01.376 --> 07:14.080 So one can program that in detail and make it individually tailor-made, custom-made for the person who is the target. 07:14.080 --> 07:20.032 Of course, I think for the majority of people it will be automated. 07:20.032 --> 07:26.968 That is why all the data centers, the gigantic data centers, are now being built worldwide. 07:26.968 --> 07:31.200 These are orders of magnitude that are unimaginable. 07:31.200 --> 07:44.520 Why? Because an incredible amount of data is now constantly coming in, being analyzed immediately, and immediately the selection 07:44.520 --> 07:52.240 and the command come back: is this allowed now, yes or no. 07:52.240 --> 07:59.557 So then the majority of people will probably have to spend their lives automated, with 07:59.557 --> 08:04.188 the AI now deciding whether to allow it or not. 08:04.188 --> 08:11.008 Certain templates are then entered by the central planners. That is, after all, the dream of the central planners. 08:11.008 --> 08:21.341 Some people who perhaps stand out a bit and are somewhat too critical, perhaps like us, we will probably receive 08:21.341 --> 08:31.587 personal treatment, but that is then rather also further unpleasant, and that is precisely what I see as the main goal. 08:31.587 --> 08:39.278 It is about controlling people in detail, and that is why there has never been a debate about how this 08:39.278 --> 08:46.758 digitalization should be implemented and how all the possibilities that exist should be used. 08:46.758 --> 08:53.122 So out of the many possibilities, only that which concerns control has been selected very 08:53.122 --> 08:58.020 narrowly so far, control of the majority of people. 08:58.020 --> 09:06.033 That sounds very dystopian. It even sounds, also in various novels written a few decades ago, like what a totally controlled 09:06.033 --> 09:11.718 future could look like—keyword Orwell—only refined by the technical possibilities that one 09:11.718 --> 09:14.986 could not even have imagined 50 or 100 years ago. 09:14.986 --> 09:18.340 Which Orwell could not have imagined either, exactly. 09:18.340 --> 09:25.665 I really do want to go further into that toward the end of the conversation, but now I would like to take a step back. 09:25.665 --> 09:32.810 How far are we actually from getting to the point where especially freedom-loving Europeans put up with all of this? 09:32.810 --> 09:40.361 A few months ago, you were on Tucker Carlson in the USA, on the show, in the program, in an interview with 09:40.361 --> 09:47.052 him, and there you spoke about the role of bankers already 100 years ago in the First World War. 09:47.052 --> 09:50.920 So all of this has a long prehistory. 09:50.920 --> 10:03.701 In any case. And the question of how the Europeans put up with that. Well, if you look at Germany, then it is of course obvious. 10:03.701 --> 10:12.990 Since 1945, the German has been heavily worked on by the media, by the schools. 10:12.990 --> 10:19.206 At that time, it was an official program, the re-education of the Germans, that was introduced by the 10:19.206 --> 10:23.552 Americans, and it seems this program is running to this day. 10:23.552 --> 10:34.253 So a great deal of money and energy is being used, and also labor, to work on people – brainwashing in 10:34.253 --> 10:46.282 principle, so that one just lets it happen, and that has of course also had a great influence in other ways. 10:46.282 --> 10:52.878 And the other European countries, they have indeed fallen into the EU trap. 10:52.878 --> 11:02.665 So the legal situation is that Germany is indeed under CIA control, due to the fact that the Americans never de facto 11:02.665 --> 11:08.653 gave up their occupation powers. They did not give them up. 11:08.653 --> 11:18.630 And the other European countries, they first had to be subjugated anew, so to speak, and that is done through the EU. 11:18.630 --> 11:24.694 And at the same time, Germany is not allowed to regain this sovereignty, because now, well, they are giving up, 11:24.694 --> 11:28.510 everyone has indeed given up their sovereignty within this EU. 11:28.510 --> 11:39.442 And the EU is an extremely undemocratic institution. Very few people are aware of that. 11:39.442 --> 11:44.189 So the legal organization is that of a dictatorship. 11:44.189 --> 11:48.250 That is a dictatorship, and if one says that, then one thinks, yes, that is formulated a bit 11:48.250 --> 11:51.283 polemically here, he says, that is the Brussels dictatorship. 11:51.283 --> 11:56.980 But legally it is a dictatorship, and the best thing is simply to compare it with the Soviet Union. 11:56.980 --> 12:04.040 Because the Soviet Union, as we all now agree, of course, that was a dictatorship. 12:04.040 --> 12:12.492 But it claimed it was a democracy, and how was that justified? 12:12.492 --> 12:23.032 Look, we have a parliament, there are elected representatives and they discuss all sorts of things and laws and so on. 12:23.032 --> 12:28.637 But the key was, those were not real legislators, those were not legislators. 12:28.637 --> 12:38.018 So we are here in the Bundestag, these are legislators, but unfortunately they are of course outdone by Brussels and 12:38.018 --> 12:43.633 Brussels has, as far as we have come now, the supreme authority. 12:43.633 --> 12:52.786 But the EU is simply not democratic and the European Parliament, which exists, is not a real parliament. 12:52.786 --> 13:02.244 They are simply not legislators, they do not have the power to formulate the laws, to present them and then introduce them, but 13:02.244 --> 13:07.260 all laws have so far been written by the European Commission. 13:07.260 --> 13:14.135 That is where they come from and those are the legislators, which means the parliament is not a real parliament. 13:14.135 --> 13:22.387 Well, the people who have a job there as members of the European Parliament do not like to talk about it either, because they get 13:22.387 --> 13:28.016 a pretty hefty salary tax-free – mainly – and all sorts of allowances and de facto it is 13:28.016 --> 13:30.918 a clown show, because it is a dictatorship. 13:30.918 --> 13:36.169 Everything is done by Brussels and that is where the laws are written, then they are finished. 13:36.169 --> 13:44.363 The parliament can delay a little and debates are sometimes held, but it does not change the fact that the laws in 13:44.363 --> 13:49.255 Brussels were written by the commissioners, by the dictators. 13:49.255 --> 13:57.517 Well, and as a result we now have the situation where all the democratic, formerly democratic countries have already given 13:57.517 --> 14:02.302 up their sovereignty, are now subjugated by a dictatorship. 14:02.302 --> 14:07.944 And that has of course also had a great many effects on the media. 14:07.944 --> 14:17.343 All of this was prepared long in advance, step by step, and it was always ensured that the media, that is, the major mainstream 14:17.343 --> 14:24.818 media, the official media so to speak, that they are always on the same side and never emphasize such 14:24.818 --> 14:29.285 things or explain to people how things really work. 14:29.285 --> 14:36.280 And as a result, we simply have too many people in Europe who are not informed about what is actually going on. 14:36.280 --> 14:44.285 And when it is then said, yes, now the digital currency is coming, isn't it great, isn't it progress, isn't it efficient, 14:44.285 --> 14:53.468 then only the theoretically positive sides are highlighted, which the instrument would have under genuine democratic leadership. 14:53.468 --> 15:02.502 But in the hands of a dictatorship, like Brussels and also the ECB, because as I said, that is not the continuation of the 15:02.502 --> 15:11.240 Bundesbank, but the resurrected Reichsbank, a very undemocratic, very powerful, independent and de facto unaccountable 15:11.240 --> 15:16.589 central bank that can do anything, is allowed to do anything. 15:16.589 --> 15:21.605 And that is of course deployed in the interests of the EU dictatorship in Brussels. 15:21.605 --> 15:27.712 And when it is such a system, then that is catastrophic, that is a worst-case scenario. 15:27.712 --> 15:34.457 Now you mentioned in passing that the Americans have essentially never given up their occupation power. 15:34.457 --> 15:42.900 Is Germany accordingly currently not sovereign, independent of the EU, but also with regard to the Americans? 15:42.900 --> 15:50.642 Yes, Germany is not sovereign, Mr. Schäuble, the finance minister at the time, also said that. Since 15:50.642 --> 15:56.469 1945, Germany has not been sovereign for a single day. 15:56.469 --> 16:03.106 How does that manifest? Well, we naturally see the formal points. We have no constitution, we have 16:03.106 --> 16:06.945 a Basic Law, as is customary in occupation zones. 16:06.945 --> 16:18.230 And originally, it was officially an occupation administration until the early 1990s, and we have no peace treaty. 16:18.230 --> 16:25.044 We are still enemy territory in the UN Charter, and with this 2 plus 4 Treaty, there is indeed the 16:25.044 --> 16:29.879 appearance that: Oh, now we are suddenly sovereign! 16:29.879 --> 16:41.471 But when you analyze it closely, that is de facto not the case either, because the powerful parties in the treaty are still 16:41.471 --> 16:53.275 the Allies, and 2 plus 4—the 4 are the Allies, and the 2 are the spectators, namely the former GDR and the Federal Republic. 16:53.275 --> 17:00.382 They were the spectators in this treaty, and whatever the Allies wrote down there—well, they wrote it down 17:00.382 --> 17:04.957 there, but they did not really give up their power de facto. 17:04.957 --> 17:15.998 And at the same time, of course, under NATO, there is another surrender of elements of sovereignty to NATO, and NATO would of 17:15.998 --> 17:22.208 course be led by the Americans, so we see no sovereignty there. 17:22.208 --> 17:30.057 Now, when one looks at history, there were plans and considerations to actually 17:30.057 --> 17:34.130 eliminate Germany after 1945—completely. 17:34.130 --> 17:40.610 There were also discussions, heated discussions in the USA, about where the atomic bomb should not be used against Germany. 17:40.610 --> 17:48.217 And then that camp prevailed, which said, no, we will build them back up, we need them, so to speak, to erect a 17:48.217 --> 17:55.072 bulwark against the Soviets, but also to regain economic upswing after the Second World War. 17:55.072 --> 18:01.170 Germany is the paymaster of the whole world. Germany keeps the European Union alive through its subsidies. 18:01.170 --> 18:06.276 We also have the Ukraine war, with its billions; without Germany, nothing would work anymore. 18:06.276 --> 18:13.198 But now, over the last 10 to 20 years, one has the feeling that Germany is now to be sacrificed. 18:13.198 --> 18:16.849 Are the old plans possibly being implemented now? 18:16.849 --> 18:23.840 Yes, so it really looks that way, so the Morgenthau Plan is now being implemented. 18:23.840 --> 18:34.216 In the Morgenthau Plan, it already said 45 back then, that was the then Secretary of the Treasury in the USA, who advocated for 18:34.216 --> 18:44.510 it and proposed that Germany must in principle be wiped out, especially deindustrialized, because the economic power, that has 18:44.510 --> 18:54.723 always been a thorn in the side of certain people, the economic power must be destroyed, first deindustrialization and second 18:54.723 --> 19:00.110 the population – we actually want to replace the population. 19:00.110 --> 19:11.553 That is the Morgenthau Plan and of course, if you look at it now since 2015, both measures are underway. 19:11.553 --> 19:18.970 The university professor Hutten then also reaffirmed this once again and explained it precisely, who wrote the sentence: 19:18.970 --> 19:26.467 One should bring German men abroad into forced war captivity as much as possible and settle many non-German citizens. 19:26.467 --> 19:33.620 And that is exactly what we have been experiencing at the latest since 2015 – there is a boost here. That can of course be an 19:33.620 --> 19:39.056 unfortunate coincidence, but when you deal with all these things and especially look at it over 19:39.056 --> 19:42.570 decades, then you very reluctantly believe in coincidences. 19:42.570 --> 19:52.087 You have addressed something very exciting, namely that those who bring about all these things or who plan them in advance do not 19:52.087 --> 19:59.907 think in terms of peoples or nation-states at all, because you addressed very excitingly on Tucker Carlson 19:59.907 --> 20:06.866 how the German Reichsbank and American finances were more or less connected with one family. 20:06.866 --> 20:12.152 Would you perhaps like to recall that once again for the German audience? We presumably do not know that. 20:12.152 --> 20:21.354 Yes, well, I mean, it's a good example that the financial wires in the background are extremely important. 20:21.354 --> 20:25.806 And then you simply see, when you look at the money, what is really going on. 20:25.806 --> 20:34.004 So the timing was precisely when America declared war on Germany in 1917. 20:34.004 --> 20:46.228 America and Germany were now at war against each other, and at that time, however, it was like this – well, soldiers have to 20:46.228 --> 20:57.865 shoot each other, smash each other's heads in – but the war economy is also a very centrally, centrally organized economy, 20:57.865 --> 21:04.920 and at the top of the pyramid is, of course, the central bank. 21:04.920 --> 21:10.796 And in Germany that was the Reichsbank, and in America, the Federal Reserve, which had just 21:10.796 --> 21:13.120 been founded for this very purpose just in time. 21:13.120 --> 21:19.175 For most of American history, after all, they had no central bank, and things ran very well without a central bank. 21:19.175 --> 21:31.442 But then, through all sorts of tricks, the Federal Reserve was founded, so it was passed at the end of 1913 and then founded in 21:31.442 --> 21:40.232 1914, and now, who are the key people in these two central banks, who are at the top of the 21:40.232 --> 21:46.218 economy and, yes, de facto also in the war economy? 21:46.218 --> 21:57.533 In Germany, that was – so de facto the most important man at the Reichsbank was Max Warburg. 21:57.533 --> 22:07.553 You can see that, for example, from how he signs, when important people are appointed, for example the head of 22:07.553 --> 22:18.290 the Reichsbank, his signature is on it too, and of course Adolf Hitler's signature as well. 22:18.290 --> 22:29.333 So this is Max Warburg on the German side, and in America the founder, the real founder of the Federal Reserve was his brother 22:29.333 --> 22:40.113 Paul Warburg, who of course was also a German citizen until 1911, came to America and then founded the Federal Reserve, and 22:40.113 --> 22:50.894 although he was never Governor or the official top man, just like Max Warburg, he was one of the leading directors who were 22:50.894 --> 23:00.096 involved for a very long time and pulled the strings there, and in his case he essentially also wrote the 23:00.096 --> 23:09.550 entire legal basis when it was put together, how the Federal Reserve is organized and so on. 23:09.550 --> 23:17.568 So then we have two brothers at the head of these war economies of the countries that are fighting each other 23:17.568 --> 23:25.228 in the war, and the soldiers have to kill each other, and that of course shows how things work. 23:25.228 --> 23:32.037 It is actually unbelievable that profit is being made from a single family on both war fronts, so to speak, through 23:32.037 --> 23:35.646 the war economy or that one is very close to the financing. 23:35.646 --> 23:38.644 Financing is always also a business. 23:38.644 --> 23:46.934 If we now jump back to the present, we would say about the current war, for example in Ukraine, which apparently has no end, 23:46.934 --> 23:55.491 right now in mid-September, Ursula von der Leyen proudly announces again that a new package of 5 billion is being put on the way 23:55.491 --> 24:00.436 for Ukrainian armaments, for drones, that is a bottomless pit. 24:00.436 --> 24:05.885 That is a bounty, that is a bounty for the Ukrainians, they must be wiped out. 24:05.885 --> 24:12.804 Apparently there are still a few Ukrainians who have not yet died, apparently two million have 24:12.804 --> 24:16.864 already died, and so the fighting must continue. 24:16.864 --> 24:21.097 Of course on the Russian side as well, very many dead. 24:21.097 --> 24:27.465 So it is extremely tragic and sad and unnecessary and useless, because of course all of this could 24:27.465 --> 24:30.748 have been avoided entirely from the very beginning. 24:30.748 --> 24:37.747 There was also this peace treaty right at the beginning, where the Western side, Great Britain, got involved. 24:37.747 --> 24:47.572 No, absolutely not, just keep going, we stand behind you. Keep bashing each other's heads in. 24:47.572 --> 24:56.448 And at the same time, this also bleeds the economy in the EU dry, because it is of course not productive. 24:56.448 --> 25:04.766 It is indeed a stimulation of the economy when you boost the war economy, but it is extremely 25:04.766 --> 25:10.082 unproductive and does not lead to a higher standard of living. 25:10.082 --> 25:20.491 On the contrary, values are burned, shot away, and wasted that could be used productively. 25:20.491 --> 25:29.603 You just have to take a short trip to China and look at what is being done in China, where percentage-wise, very little is put 25:29.603 --> 25:37.413 into the military, but very much into the welfare of the population and what can be offered in cities and in 25:37.413 --> 25:42.690 the country in terms of infrastructure and opportunities. 25:42.690 --> 25:48.313 Then you can see how it could be arranged alternatively if you don't throw money out for wars. 25:48.313 --> 25:51.163 Yes, perhaps for someone who doesn't deal with it that much. 25:51.163 --> 25:58.513 Productive economy, you mean, referring to infrastructure, trams are being built, subways are being built so that people can get 25:58.513 --> 26:05.288 from A to B faster, it's more comfortable, it's also more environmentally friendly, or in production machines, so that 26:05.288 --> 26:12.064 people not only get into work, but the produced means are then again turned to the welfare of the population, that is, 26:12.064 --> 26:19.039 into a cycle, and the war economy inevitably ends with the use of war equipment in death and in ruin and downfall. 26:19.039 --> 26:26.429 Who benefits then when there is such a war, because it was discussed very early on that large capital owners like 26:26.429 --> 26:30.703 BlackRock and asset managers have secured certain rights there. 26:30.703 --> 26:37.806 Habeck once said in passing at the World Economic Forum that we are liable for the investments of the investors there, so the 26:37.806 --> 26:44.000 German state is liable, so is the reconstruction already priced into this war, which in turn the taxpayers of 26:44.000 --> 26:47.505 the countries that are stupid enough will have to pay for? 26:47.505 --> 26:51.587 Yes, I think so. But here it is of course also about control. 26:51.587 --> 26:59.168 So certain companies and individuals have bought in big there, secured rights. 26:59.168 --> 27:10.970 There will be a reconstruction, but it will then not benefit ordinary Ukrainians and also not Europeans in general. 27:10.970 --> 27:20.081 Yes, it is then land grabbing, of course. I mean, the country is then also relatively depopulated, isn't it? That is happening. 27:20.081 --> 27:26.826 And that also seems to be part of this calculation. So everything very, yes, very cynical. 27:26.826 --> 27:37.376 And it is quite clear, one must first and foremost ensure that the war stops. But that seems to be forbidden in the West. 27:37.376 --> 27:45.459 Do you believe, based on your analyses you also observe geopolitics very closely, and could one imagine, perhaps 27:45.459 --> 27:49.312 also the one or other financial flows and preparations. 27:49.312 --> 27:53.615 Do you believe that there will be a war? Actually. 27:53.615 --> 28:00.419 I mean, the provocations on the part of the European Union or the German federal government, drone accusations 28:00.419 --> 28:04.408 and so on against Russia, we experience them weekly by now. 28:04.408 --> 28:12.190 But do you believe that it could really come to a hot war, Germany against Russia or the EU against Russia? 28:12.190 --> 28:23.452 One must say, the EU, the NATO states and our politicians, those who have a say so far, they are 28:23.452 --> 28:31.960 really extremely eager to wage a war against Russia. 28:31.960 --> 28:35.188 And that is of course a very bad situation. 28:35.188 --> 28:41.310 That makes it very likely that there will be a war against Russia and thus a Third World War. 28:41.310 --> 28:51.025 One hope would be, can they be voted out, can somehow other reasonable people in the West be brought to power? 28:51.025 --> 29:01.630 That is a question. But at the moment everything is directed toward war against Russia, which is actually insane, absurd. 29:01.630 --> 29:08.669 Because that makes no sense. The war cannot be won. 29:08.669 --> 29:15.584 And the costs, that is simply catastrophic, including of course on a human level. 29:15.584 --> 29:26.062 It is a huge catastrophe that we are being steered toward by the powerful. Who are these powerful? 29:26.062 --> 29:31.646 You mentioned Covid earlier, the Corona time. 29:31.646 --> 29:38.224 It was actually already very interesting to see how coordinated everything was at that time. 29:38.224 --> 29:44.953 There, in principle, the powerful of the world showed how much power they have. 29:44.953 --> 29:52.345 Because the Corona measures were, well, I come from a medical family and that was actually complete nonsense, that was clear. 29:52.345 --> 30:01.764 But it was a very specific combination of nonsensical measures, which, however, were carried out simultaneously 30:01.764 --> 30:07.766 by every country in this specific nonsensical combination. 30:07.766 --> 30:13.373 And that is of course no coincidence, that is clear. So there one sees the coordination and since 30:13.373 --> 30:16.932 there was indeed resistance, but it was pushed through. 30:16.932 --> 30:19.402 Quite a lot was pushed through. 30:19.402 --> 30:28.960 This just shows that there is a small number of central planners who plan such things centrally and can push them through at least 30:28.960 --> 30:36.533 in Western Europe and North America and then a few Five Eyes, that is Australia, New Zealand and so on, 30:36.533 --> 30:44.093 Japan, which actually belongs to the American sphere of influence, to the American empire. 30:44.093 --> 30:49.314 And beyond that probably other countries as well. So there are these central planners. It 30:49.314 --> 30:52.873 was planned centrally, that cannot be denied. 30:52.873 --> 31:04.610 And they want this war against Russia, which now seems to be the new song that one has to sing. 31:04.610 --> 31:12.512 And if that is the case, then things look bad. In my view, President Putin has behaved very patiently so far. 31:12.512 --> 31:21.310 This provocation, the constant, often completely fabricated things that are then spread in the media, claimed in Great 31:21.310 --> 31:31.003 Britain, in Germany, everything actually very anti-Russian, only in order to, one could call it something other than warmongering, 31:31.003 --> 31:41.888 that is to agitate against Russia and to agitate people, to get them in the mood, if one then wants to actively enter into a war. 31:41.888 --> 31:53.365 It seems that the goal is to provoke until Russia strikes back, that is long-range weapons, which are then of course controlled 31:53.365 --> 32:04.974 by, for example, the Bundeswehr or by Great Britain or France, of course fired by Ukraine, but controlled by NATO troops. 32:04.974 --> 32:10.469 That is actually already happening and the Russians have already said, we now already have the right to strike 32:10.469 --> 32:15.289 back into the West, into the EU, into the NATO states themselves, they have not done so so far. 32:15.289 --> 32:25.550 But if there is further provocation, even further, I fear that at some point patience will come to an end, we just heard that last 32:25.550 --> 32:32.811 week too, Russian patience, said Mr. Lavrov, the Foreign Minister, also has its limits, then 32:32.811 --> 32:36.030 it can start and we must not put up with that. 32:36.030 --> 32:43.275 I always say we allow our politicians far too much and the Germans are simply too good-natured and, of course, have also 32:43.275 --> 32:48.680 been worked on by the media for a very long time, by the schools, etc., for a very long time, 32:48.680 --> 32:52.048 but it is time not to put up with such things. 32:52.048 --> 32:55.664 And that is, of course, also the case when it comes to economic policy. 32:55.664 --> 33:03.190 The point is, we mentioned the Morgentau Plan, to deindustrialize Germany, to ruin the economy, and that is taking place. 33:03.190 --> 33:12.437 We must not put up with this, because Germany could easily deliver 10%, 12% growth, every year for decades, then 33:12.437 --> 33:21.728 one would double the national income every five or six years and then double it again and then double it again. 33:21.728 --> 33:30.039 The Chinese did that in 40 years and that just shows we could have the greatest prosperity imaginable and it 33:30.039 --> 33:35.936 could be well distributed so that everyone has a share of it. 33:35.936 --> 33:40.279 We can create such a world. 33:40.279 --> 33:45.939 The people who are making decisions at the moment do not want that, they have completely different plans, but we 33:45.939 --> 33:49.652 must not allow this, we have to do something about it now. 33:49.652 --> 33:57.690 That is actually a good closing word. But I still have to finish spanning the arc that we opened at the beginning. 33:57.690 --> 34:03.583 I will try to keep it short. If a war comes now, the war would accelerate everything and would, of course, bring the 34:03.583 --> 34:06.926 dramatic destruction before our eyes, visible to everyone 34:06.926 --> 34:13.343 But there could also be a rapid development without war in the next five to ten years, 34:13.343 --> 34:16.935 that we find ourselves in a digital prison. 34:16.935 --> 34:24.020 Will the mobile phone then be the controlling authority that steers us all, or is it already going further? 34:24.020 --> 34:30.500 How do you think this control will then look in practice? 34:30.500 --> 34:38.150 Yes, so the central bank digital currency is what the ECB wants to push through, even though nobody wants it, nobody needs it. 34:38.150 --> 34:42.688 There is no good reason. That is actually quite mysterious. 34:42.688 --> 34:49.088 You can see it in this: it's not about the official goals, it's about control. 34:49.088 --> 34:57.015 Because we have already been using bank digital currency, but not central bank digital currency; rather, the 34:57.015 --> 35:03.382 banks also create money through credit creation, and that is digital money, which we have used. 35:03.382 --> 35:09.420 But that is decentralized, and the central planners don't want that. They want to centralize everything. 35:09.420 --> 35:18.025 We have to be against that. That is the big problem, centralization of decisions, centralization of control 35:18.025 --> 35:23.230 over the digital infrastructure and thus control over us. 35:23.230 --> 35:28.265 All of that must be decentralized, all the power structures and decisions. That is an 35:28.265 --> 35:32.187 old, extremely successful Prussian principle. 35:32.187 --> 35:38.692 Decentralization, the principle of subsidiarity—that is how the Prussian army was extremely successful. 35:38.692 --> 35:43.488 The officer at the front must have decision-making authority. 35:43.488 --> 35:49.593 For that, one must train people well, but that is great, then you have a very well-trained general population. 35:49.593 --> 35:55.392 And at the same time, one must do the same at the political level. That was also the Prussian principle. 35:55.392 --> 35:58.636 Unfortunately, for decades we have always had the opposite. 35:58.636 --> 36:06.690 Control, centralization and the central bank digital currency. Of course, it is supposed to be introduced. 36:06.690 --> 36:15.023 Because nobody wants it, you then need an excuse or a crisis, as always. 36:15.023 --> 36:18.495 I fear a banking crisis will be created in Germany. 36:18.495 --> 36:24.329 I have warned about this before, because the ECB has created this real estate bubble, which then 36:24.329 --> 36:27.991 peaked in 2022 and since then it has been going down. 36:27.991 --> 36:35.750 And then, although you can delay it, at some point it will destroy the banking system, because the banks 36:35.750 --> 36:43.734 have not issued productive credit creation for asset purchases. That is always the classic tool. 36:43.734 --> 36:49.321 Then the digital euro will be introduced at the same time, because then everyone will withdraw their funds 36:49.321 --> 36:52.350 from the banks and then the banks will suddenly be gone. 36:52.350 --> 36:59.710 Then there will only be one bank left, the central bank. That is the Soviet Union. They also only had one bank, the central bank. 36:59.710 --> 37:03.544 That is the goal of the central bankers. What will that look like then? 37:03.544 --> 37:16.800 If the central bankers can impose their will in an ideal way, then in a certain way that means microchip implants 37:16.800 --> 37:24.836 under the skin or even elsewhere, perhaps even in the head. 37:24.836 --> 37:27.091 Are we being persuaded again that it is so practical? 37:27.091 --> 37:37.267 Yes, that is efficient. You cannot lose a phone, then it does not matter. There are always reasons. 37:37.267 --> 37:39.684 Then all this transhumanism comes into it as well. 37:39.684 --> 37:50.234 It has already practically become a kind of industry, where the point is to connect machine and human and to connect the 37:50.234 --> 37:56.248 whole digital system and, of course, AI as well with the human. 37:56.248 --> 38:01.061 Would it not be great if you had such an implant, where the AI is also inside, then it is much 38:01.061 --> 38:05.070 easier to think. The AI will then think for you. 38:06.756 --> 38:11.859 I think that is the goal. As I said, it will be connected with AI. 38:11.859 --> 38:18.832 AI is the control tool that is then supposed to be connected with the central bank digital 38:18.832 --> 38:22.344 currency, and then we are in a total prison. 38:22.344 --> 38:27.749 That is worse than George Orwell could ever have imagined. 38:27.749 --> 38:33.117 But a very positive outlook from you nonetheless. You believe we will make it, because otherwise you wouldn't 38:33.117 --> 38:37.359 constantly argue against it and stick your neck out so boldly. 38:37.359 --> 38:50.350 Yes, I am optimistic. It is a huge challenge, but that is why we must now do our utmost to prevent it. 38:50.350 --> 39:01.397 I am also optimistic when it comes to the Germans, actually, because at the core I see a lot of positive things there. 39:01.397 --> 39:07.276 It just needs a little awakening, and they need to wake up from their slumber now. 39:07.276 --> 39:13.350 It is time to save not only Germany now, but also the world. 39:13.350 --> 39:17.287 That is the closing word, Prof. Werner. Many thanks for this conversation. 39:17.287 --> 39:22.833 We will continue this, then we will talk about the possibilities of prosperity growth, about the positive things, 39:22.833 --> 39:25.942 and I look forward to the next conversation. Many thanks. 39:25.942 --> 39:26.742 I thank you.