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Baninga ya kotala, esengo na biso lelo kozwa
mokambi Hansjörg Stützle awa na studio na biso.

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Kitoko ete ozali awa.

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Ya, esengo mpe na ngai, kozala awa.

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Mokambi Stützle, ozali kosala na likambo ya mbongo mpe
makambo ya nkita, mpe misala ya mbongo banda mbula 30.

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Mpe na mosala na yo, okutani na
biteni ebele ya makambo ya mbongo.

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Mpe lelo ozali mobandi ya petition
"Bargeld na Europa ebombama na mibeko".

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Mpe bato koleka 400.000 batie makomi na yango.

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Yango elakisi ete ezali na likambo ya ntina mpe na bato.

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Nini epusaki yo na petition oyo mpe
mpo na nini esengeli petition oyo?

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Ya, nzela ezalaki molai mingi.

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Nazali kosala na likambo oyo koleka mbula 15.

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Mpe kino na tango ya pene te, ezalaki na
elikya te ete Bargeld ekotia na mibeko.

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Bargeld ezali na mobeko, na article
128 ya EU contrat ezali na yango.

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Kasi yango ezali kobatela yango te.

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Mpe ezalaki na mibula mingi te na mokano
ya politiki ete Bargeld ekotia na mibeko.

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Kasi na sima, eloko ebongwani.

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Na mokolo ya 28 Juni 2023, pene mbula misato eleki,
ebimaki te mobeko ya Bargeld, kasi mobeko ya euro ya digital.

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Yango elakisi ete euro ya digital ekoya.

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Mpe Commission ya Europe ebimisaki mobeko ya ndenge wana.

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Mpe na tango moko, esengelaki kosala mpe na Bargeld,
mpo euro ya digital ekokoma mosolo ya mibeko mosusu.

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Yango wana esengelaki kosala mpe na Bargeld.

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Mpe na mokolo moko, mobeko ya Bargeld ebimaki mpe.

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Nayekaki yango mpe nakutaki mabunga ya monene koleka.

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Yango elingi koloba ete, mobeko ya mbongo ya maboko
ezalaki ya mabe koleka mobeko ya euro ya nzela ya elektroniki.

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Moko ya mabunga ya monene ezalaki ete euro ya nzela ya elektroniki
esengeli kozwa mobeko makasi ya kondimama na ba magazini,

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mbongo ya maboko te.

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Mpe na yango nayokaki mpe nakangaki matoyi.

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Mpe eloko ya kitoko na likambo yango mobimba ezalaki
ete na nzela ya euro ya elektroniki, sikoyo ezali na

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nzela ya kotya mbongo ya maboko na mobeko na Eropa mobimba.

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Mpe nzela yango namonaki yango.

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Mpe na litomba yango ete esika ya kofuta ya mobeko ya kala
mpe ya solo, ezwa makoki ndenge moko na euro ya elektroniki.

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Mpe na litomba yango tozali kosolola na
politiki mpe na ba esika nyonso ya Leta.

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Malamu, mpe mpo na nini na eyano na yo
kobatela mbongo ya maboko ezali na ntina mingi?

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Ah, yango ezali na makambo mingi ndenge na ndenge.

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Yango ete, mokili kozanga mbongo ya maboko ekosalema ndenge
mosusu mobimba, ndenge tozali kornona mpe kozwa yango sikoyo.

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Mbongo ya maboko na nsuka ezali esika ya
kofuta ya nzoto kaka moko oyo tozali na yango.

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Na makanisi, wolo mpe palata ezali esika
ya kofuta, kasi ezali mpe te na mobeko.

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Tokokoka kosomba mampa na wolo mpe palata te.

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Yango wana mbongo ya maboko ezali esika ya
kofuta ya nzoto kaka moko oyo tozali na yango sikoyo.

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Ba esika ya kofuta mosusu nyonso ezali ya nzela ya elektroniki.

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Ezala Bitcoin, ezala mbongo ya banki ya kala, ezala
euro ya sika ya nzela ya elektroniki, etc. –

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nyonso na nsuka ezali na mokili ya nzela ya elektroniki.

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Mbongo ya maboko kaka ezali na esika ya
nzoto, oyo ezali na ntina mingi koleka.

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Ezali na boyokani na yango ete bana bayekola
kosalela mbongo malamu, yango ezali na nzoto.

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Ba nzela mitano na biso ya koyoka ezali kosala na yango na nsuka.

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Mpe ndenge nalobaki, ezali na nsuka te.

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Ezali kokota na mabota oyo ezali na bokasi ya mbongo
mosika te, mpo bakoki kaka kokotisa mbongo na maboko na bango.

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Kasi ezali mpe na makoki mingi ya bonsomi mpe
makambo ya bomoko, oyo na suka ezali kokota na mbongo.

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Ozali kolobela ete mbongo ezali mpe ndambo ya bonsomi.

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Nini ekozala litomba na yango soki mbongo ebimi mobimba?

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Ya solo, mbongo ezali bonsomi mingi koleka ndenge bato
bazali kokanisa. Mpo ezali kokota na makoki na biso ya libanda.

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Ya solo, soki mbongo nyonso ezali kaka na nzela ya
digital, tozali koyebana na esika nyonso na kofuta nyonso.

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Mpe ekoki kozala na buku ya bomoi na
biso, esika tozalaki kosomba eloko.

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Tosalaki kosomba eloko mpo mwasi to
mobali azalaki na esika ya maboko ya motane.

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Nalingi kotya yango kaka na ndenge ya bosembo.

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Na yango, soki akoti na ba grades ya likolo, na
hiérarchie akoki mpe konyokwama na ndenge moko.

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Kasi mpe na ndenge mosusu ezali
kokota na makoki mingi ya bonsomi.

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Tomonaki yango na Hong Kong na mobu 2019,
esika mpe bato bamisokaki na guvɛrnema.

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Na yango, bato ya ba protestes bakotaki na engumba na ba
transports publics, mpe talá, bafutaki kaka na mbongo.

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Mpo bamonaki ete soki nafuti na digital,
ezali mpe polele mpe emonisami malamu na

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guvɛrnema ete nazalaki na ba actions ya ba protestes.

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Na yango ezali kokota, ndakisa, na droit fondamental ya liberté
ya lisangá mpe ete tokoka kosangana na ba manifestations.

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Wana ezali moko ya ba droits
fondamentaux, kasi mpe mingi, mingi mosusu.

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Yangó mpe ezalí likokí ya libándá ’te tókoka kosangana na
bomɔi ya bato nyɔ́nsɔ, ndakisa, tókoka kokɔta na bisi,

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ɛɛ, na bisi mpe kokende bandá esíká mɔ̌kɔ́ tíí esíká mosúsu.

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Lelo óyo, na bisíká ebelé, yangó ezalí lisúsu ndéngé te, ndakisa
na Berlin, na Hamburg, na Düsseldorf, na

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Heidelberg, etc., bandá lelo, ba nzelá ya bato mpe ba
bisi ya bato nyɔ́nsɔ ezalí kobɔ́ngɔ mbɔ́ngɔ te.

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Na bobéngi na yɔ̌ libosó ya moto ya vitre, libosó ya
mokili ya vitre, sɔ́kí mbɔ́ngɔ esílí kosílisa mobimba.

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Kasi ezalí na bato baye bazalí
komɔ́na yangó ndéngé mosúsu mobimba.

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Ndakisa, ezalí na bobéngi mɔ̌kɔ́ ya lingómbá
mɔ̌kɔ́, eye ezalí koloba ’te kosílisa bomí ya moto nde

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ezalí kobɔ́ngɔ mabɔ́kɔ ya societé ya bonsɔ́mí ya solo.

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Mpo ’te ndakisa, moto mɔ̌kɔ́ lisúsu akokí kosɛ́ngɛsɛ́ngɛ te.

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Yɔ̌ omɔ́ní yangó ndéngé níni?

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Ya solo, ngai nazalí na likanisi ’te sɔ́kí bato
bazalí kosɛ́ngɛ yangó, bázala káka kosála yangó.

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Elíndí ’te bázala káka komonisa bomɔi na bángó ya moto nyɔ́nsɔ
mpe bázala kotía ba kamera mísáto na ndáko ya mpɔ́sɔ na bángó mpe

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na nsima bátía yangó na internet mpo ’te bato
nyɔ́nsɔ bámɔ́na, na nsima tókɛngɛ sɔ́kí bazalí koloba

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solo, na ndéngé ’te moto káka abómá bomí ya moto.

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Na miso na ngai, bomí ya moto ezalí eténi ya societé ya bonsɔ́mí.

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Societé ya bonsɔ́mí ezalí komɔ́nisama na bonsɔ́mí ezalí.

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Mpe ndéngé nyɔ́nsɔ oyo tozalí na bonsɔ́mí ya solo, ndéngé
yangó nde ezalí elembo ’te tozalí na societé ya bonsɔ́mí.

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Kasi sɔ́kí tosílísá bomí ya moto mobimba, yangó ezalí káka
likambo ya ntángo, esíká bokonzi mpe bokambi ya likoló, baye

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bazalí komɔ́nisama na bomí ya moto te, na nsuka bakokambama.

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Ya solo, nazalí na elíkya mobimba ’te societé ya bonsɔ́mí ekokí
kosála te sɔ́kí ezalí na bonsɔ́mí te mpe na bomí ya moto te.

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Na lokasa na bino, bozali kolakisa bato ya lokumu lokola mokonzi
ya Banki ya Mokili Aryan Bangar, Premier ya Inde Modi to

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bakonzi ya Deutsche Bank to Bank of America, oyo bazali
kolobela polele ete mbongo ya maboko esengeli kolimwa mobimba.

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Makambo ya bato oyo ezali kosalela nani?
Bino bozali kornona yango ndenge nini?

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Ya solo, yango ezali ndenge moko te.

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Lingomba ya babanki ezali polele mpenza, bazali na
bizinesi ya bango, elingi koloba bafuti ya nzela ya digital.

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Iyo, yango ezali Sparkassen-Card, yango
ezali Visa-Card, yango ezali Mastercard, etc.

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Yango ezali bizinesi ya bamilio mpe bazali na libota ya mombongo
ya bonsomi mpe balingi kaka kozwa mbongo, yango wana

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mpo na bapesi-nzela oyo, mbongo ya maboko ezali kaka
moninga ya mpikisano oyo ezali kokitisa lifuti na bango.

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Mpe na bafuti nyonso ya digital, na nsuka,
matabisi ezali kobimaka, oyo bakoki kozwa yango mpe.

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Mpe na nsima, ezali na niveau ya Leta.

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Modi, elingi koloba Premier ya Inde, alobaki makambo ya
polele mpenza ete azali mpe kolinga mokili oyo ezali na

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mbongo ya maboko te to bato oyo bazali na mbongo ya maboko te.

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Yango ezali na ntina lelo, nini Leta yango
moko ezali kosala, ezali na mposa ya nini?

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Bikólo mpe, ata na Eropa, bazali kolobela na
monoko ete bazali mpo na mbongo ya maboko.

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Yango wana ntango nyonso balobaka ete mbongo ya maboko
ekotikala se, moko te alingi kolimwa mbongo ya maboko.

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Kasi bokeba, tokosengeli kokokanisa liloba mpe mosala,
soki ezali na boyokani to soki ebongolami na 180 degré.

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Yango wana makambo ezali na ntembe mingi na
makambo ebele, soki oyebi makambo ya nsuka.

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Lelo, Monsieur Klingbeil azali kosala mosala moko, alingi
ete motekisi nyonso andima système ya bafuti ya digital.

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Oyo ezali likambo ya sika oyo ministre ya
mbongo na biso Klingbeil azali kosala makasi sikoyo.

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Ezali mpe kobimisama na ba médias ya bato na
bosepeli mingi ete ezali mpenza na ntina ete sikoyo

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moto nyonso akoka kofuta na digitale esika nyonso.

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Kasi na yango, bazali kosenga te ete
mbongo ya maboko endimama esika nyonso,

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mpamba te mbongo ya maboko ezali na obligasyon
ya kondimama, kasi ezali na obligasyon makasi te.

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Yango elingi koloba ete, na panneau
moko ya pete na ndako, ekoki koboyama.

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Mpe monsieur Klingbeil azali komeka sikoyo kolendisa
mbongo ya ba entreprises privées, elingi koloba

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mbongo ya banki, ete endimama na ba commerçants nyonso.

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Yango wana azali kosunga kofuta na digitale, mpe na ngambo
mosusu, gouvernement ya mboka ezali komeka kobimisa

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mobeko ete ba dépenses ya commerce oyo bafutaki na mbongo ya
maboko, moto ya komibimisa akoka lisusu kokitisa yango te.

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Yango ezali mpasi ya monene mpenza.

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Yango ezali kokanga moto na nguya – to
ekokanga ba komibimisa – ete bafuta na digitale.

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Mpamba te moto ya komibimisa moko te, ngai mpe nazali moto ya
komibimisa, akokaki kofuta ba factures ya essence na ngai,

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oyo nafutaka na mbongo ya maboko, na mbongo oyo nafutaki impôt.

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Yango ezali polele ete ngai lokola moto ya komibimisa,
nakoki kokitisa ba dépenses ya commerce ndenge esengeli.

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Yango elingi koloba ete, moto asengeli komituna mingi soki mibeko
oyo ezali kolendisa kofuta na digitale mpe ezali

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kobebisa mbongo ya maboko, soki yango ekokani na maloba ya
bato ete moto moko te alingi kolimwisa mbongo ya maboko.

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Kasi soki moto atali ndenge mbongo ya maboko ezali kobeba, ndenge
infrastructure ya mbongo ya maboko ezali kokufa, soki moto atali

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ete construction nyonso ya mbongo ya maboko ezali kobebisama,
moto asengeli koloba – kasi yango elingi koloba kaka ete,

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environnement ya mbongo ya maboko ezali kobeba mingi – ete
mbongo ya maboko ekokoka komikita te na boumeli ya ntango.

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Mpe yango nde eloko oyo ezali mpe na kati ya mibeko ya EU oyo.

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Na ngambo moko E-Euro, oyo ebatelami,
oyo esengeli kondimama bisika nyonso.

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Mpe na ngambo mosusu mbongo ya
maboko, epai ezali na maloba ya pamba.

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Ya solo, moto asengeli kofuta na mbongo ya maboko,
kasi yango ezali obligatoire te na ndimbola yango.

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Yango wana ezali kokende ndenge moko bisika nyonso.

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Yango wana sikoyo tozali lisusu na likambo ya Leta.

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Yango wana ezali na niveau ya Eropa,
epai mobeko ya mbongo ya maboko ezali.

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Ntango mobeko ya mbongo ya maboko ekatamaki na
Komisio ya Eropa, na bolukiluki na biso, ezalaki

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bopusi ya mabe 13 ya minene koleka na mbongo ya maboko.

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Na likambo moko tozalaki na elonga ya
monene mpenza, tosalaki yango na 90, 95 pɔsɛ.

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Mpe yango ezali ete mbongo ya maboko esengeli mpe kozwa obligasio
ya makasi ya kondima na mombongo, elingi koloba

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ete ba café, ba restaurant, etc. ekoki lisusu
kondima te mbongo ya maboko, elonga ya monene.

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Yango mpe esalelamaki na kati ya mobeko ya mbongo ya maboko.

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Kasi bokeba, satana azalaka ntango nyonso na kati ya ba détails.

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Mpo bamemaki mobeko ya ba machine.

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Elingi koloba ndimbola moko, ete bisika nyonso epai kofuta
esalemaka na ba machine, mbongo ya maboko ekoki kondimama te.

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Yango elingi koloba nini? Tokomi
na mokili ya ba machine mikolo oyo.

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Ndakisa, tomataka na bus.

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Mbala ebele tokoki lisusu kofuta te
na chauffeur ya bus, kasi na machine.

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Tozali na arrêt, kuna ekoki kozala ba machine ya ba ticket.

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Tozali na gare, ba machine ya ba ticket.

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Tozali na parking ya ndako to ba parking, ba machine.

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Mikolo oyo tozali mpe na ba piscine, epai
bafutaka ticket na ba machine, ba toilettes publiques.

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Mpe na nzela yango mpenza mpe na mobeko ya mbongo ya
maboko, ndenge ezali sikoyo na makambo oyo babengi

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trilogue mpe bazali kosolola, mobeko ya baautomate ezali kati.

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Mpe ezalaki likambo ya mabe mpe ezalaki kokitisa makoki na biso
ya moboko ya kosangana na bato, ya kofuta na mbongo ya maboko.

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Mpe yango ezali kati. Mobeko ya baautomate esengeli
kolongwa nokinoki, mpo awa mpe euro ya nzela ya elektroniki

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ezali na litomba monene, ya solo esengeli kondimama kuna.

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Mpo na bisika nyonso oyo bazali kondima nzela
ya kofuta ya elektroniki na baautomate, euro

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ya nzela ya elektroniki esengeli mpe kondimama.

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Yango wana nyonso ezali kobatama na nzela ya nkuku.

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Mpe yango ezali likambo ya liboso
ya monene, ya makasi mpe ya likama.

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Kasi ezali likambo ya mibale ya monene mpe.

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Ezalí ete bazali na frazɛ moko, ete ekólo ya Leta
ya UE, elingi koloba tozali na mikili 27 ya UE mpe

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bamboka 21 ya mbongo euro, ndenge moko na Allemagne.

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Mpe bazali na likambo moko ya ndenge moko, ete Leta na
baadministrasio na yango ekoki koboya mbongo ya maboko

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soki esaleli yango na likambo ya « litomba ya bato nyonso ».

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Litomba ya bato nyonso ekoki kozala ndenge moko – nde mpo na
kobundisa terrorisme mpe mosala ya nzela ya nkuku, koyiba mpako

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mpe bongo – esengeli tokitisa mbongo ya maboko kuna mpe kuna,
mpo na kozwa mabongisi ya mpako malamu koleka to ndenge nyonso.

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Kasi ezali mokanda ya kati ya Conseil ya Europe, oyo elobi ete
ezali kaka kriminelite mpe bongo nde epesi

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baadministrasio nzela ya koboya mbongo ya maboko, kasi mpo na
kosala baadministrasio ezala na mosala malamu koleka.

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Mpe yango ezali monoko ya kokota na solo mpo na nyonso.

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Mpo na kosala yango malamu koleka, tozali kozwa kaka nzela moko
ya kofuta, elingi koloba nzela ya kofuta ya

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elektroniki mpe tozali kotika nzela ya mibale ya
kofuta, elingi koloba mbongo ya maboko, kaka bongo.

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Yango mpo na biso lokola baadministrasio ezali malamu
koleka mpe na ndenge ya solo mpe tokoki kobunga mbongo na yango.

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Mpe na monoko ya nsuka oyo ekoki kosalema, oyo tokutani na yango
mikolo mingi, ete biro ya bato eboya mbongo ya maboko,

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ete bisika ya kosomba biloko ya kofuta, ete bisika ya
kokoma bakiti ya motuka, etc., eboya mbongo ya maboko.

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Mpe awa tosengeli kotala lisusu soki
liloba mpe mosala ezali kokende elongo.

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Eloko ya koloba, liloba ezali ete Leta elobi
ete mbongo ya maboko ezali ntango nyonso,

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moto moko te alingi kolimwisa mbongo ya maboko.

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Kasi ye moko asalaka yango na ba administrations na ye.

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Mpe nini ya solo ezali mabe awa?

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Mpe yango esangisi mpe polele epai ya
citoyen, mpo na ye moko aloba likanisi na ye.

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Mpo na nini yango ezali kosalema?

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Yango esengeli kosalema na monoko ya nsuka?

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Mpe nazali kokanisa, mpe nalingi mpe
kolendisa bato bakanisa yango moko.

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Mbala mosusu tokokokisa yango, nazali na vidéo
ya koyebisa, vidéo ya koyebisa ya miniti 12.

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Olingi koloba eloko mpo na yango?

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Te, te, nataki yango, ezali na likambo mingi.

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Emonisi malamu mpenza oyo ezali kosalema.

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Yango ezali vidéo ya koyebisa ya miniti 12,
oyo etali mpenza mobeko ya mbongo ya maboko.

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Mpe tokomaki mpe makomi ya ba experts, oyo
ekoki kobimisama na description ya vidéo.

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Mpe mpo na vidéo oyo, ndakisa oyo ebimaki na chaîne ya
Professeur Rieck, na bato pene na 400.000, etc., ete ya

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solo – tosalaki jamais attaqué – mpo ezali malamu na mayele.

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Yango wana, nalingi kolendisa moto nyonso,
mbala mosusu olingi mpe kosangisa yango, ete

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atala miniti 12 oyo mpe asala likanisi na ye moko.

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Mpe mpo na yango nazali kotelema, ete bato
bazwa ba données mpe ba informations oyo mingi

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mingi epesamaka te na ba médias ya etuluku.

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Yango ezali kosala ngai mawa mingi mpenza.

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Mpe na banzela ya sango ya leta,
bato bazali kokimisa yango mpenza.

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Mpe ete moto nyonso – tozali na mposa ya bandimi mpe bopengwi –
tozali na mposa ya nzela ya 360 degré likoló ya ba

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données mpe ba informations, ete mwana mboka moko
te akoka kopesa likambo ya bosembo mpe ya kokola.

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Iyo, yango wana tozali awa.

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Yango ezali malamu mpo na –
nalobaka – kokola na molongo ya makanisi.

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Mpe yo monoko yo moko esakolaki yango sikoyo.

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Yango wana, na bisika ebele ezali déjà solo
ete nakoki kofuta lisusu na mbongo ya maboko te.

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Mpe wana nde, na ngai, ezali mwa motuna ya nsuka, nini
mosusu tokoki kosala na makanisi na yo mpo ete mbongo ya

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maboko ezonga, nalobaka, mwa moke na nzela ya kokoma monene?

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Yango wana na likambo moko nazali na mawa mingi.

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Ba magazini ebele bazali koboya mbongo ya maboko mpe
bazali kosala boye te mpo na kokata mokano ya kosomba te.

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Na ndenge ya koloba ete moto asala embargo na magazini moko mpe
aloba ete, nazali kondima te ete bokati ya

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mbongo ya maboko esalema na ba magazini ya
ndenge wana mpe ete moto apesa yango nzela te.

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Na ngai ezali polele, nasombaka te na esika
mobimba epai bazali koboya mbongo ya maboko.

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Yango ezali likambo ya koboya mpenza mpo na ngai.

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Kasi yango eleki déjà.

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Bato ya mboka bazali déjà bayebi
mpenza kofuta na nzela ya digitale.

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Kasi yango ezali ndakisa ya likambo moko.

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Likambo mosusu ezali ete, nakosepela mingi soki bato
ebele bakomi nkombo na petition ya mbongo ya maboko.

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Sikoyo tozali na pene na 406.000 ya bankombo.

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Tokolinga mingi ete tokoma ata na ndambo ya million moko.

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Mpo yango nde – motango nyonso oyo ekomi
likoló – soki nazali na 400.000 to ndambo ya

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million, yango esalaka mosala mpe na makanisi.

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Mpe yango ezali mpe pesa biso nzela ya kokota na bisika ya leta.

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Tokomaki na Palemá ya Eropa, esika topesaki pétition.

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Lomingo ekoya tozali na Ministère ya
Finances na Berlin, esika tokopesa yango.

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Mpe tozali pene na bato ya liboso ya kolobela mokano ya bato.

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Mpe ya solo, basengeli koyoka biso, ata balingi te.

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Mpe ndenge tozali kokómisa makasi, ndenge wana nde
tokoki kolendisa mokano ya ete mbongo ya maboko ezala libela.

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Yango wana tozali na esengo mingi.

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Mpo nayebi mpe ete ata soki tokoki kobongisa makambo na
mokano ya mbongo ya maboko, oyo ezali na ntina mingi.

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Kasi na mibu ya mikolo ekoya, bakobundisa mbongo ya maboko.

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Mpo tozali kotonga communauté ya kobatela
mbongo ya maboko, lobby moke ya mbongo ya maboko.

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Tozali na bato 136.000, soki nakomi newsletter to
soki tobimisi misala, ekómaka epai ya bato 136.000.

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Mpe nazali na elikya ete na mibu, ata soki tokoki
kozwa elonga mosusu, kasi bazali kobundisa biso makasi.

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Ezali biso te, kasi toyebi ete monsieur Klingbeil, na Ministère
ya Finances, azali kobimisa pression na masolo ya triloque na

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mibeko ya mbongo ya maboko, mpo na kokitisa oyo tokokaki kozwa.

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Yango ezali likambo ya likama mingi.

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Mpe nazali na elikya ete soki tozali kosangana malamu
te, mpe nazali kosala yango mpo na mbongo ya maboko,

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tokokutanaka na mabundisi mingi oyo tokokoka kotelemela te.

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Mpo tosengeli kaka kosalela yango lokola nzela ya malamu.

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Wana ezali ya mibale.

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Mpe ya misato, awa nazali mpenza koluka, ata esika bakamera
ezali sikoyo, nalobela moto moko moko, futa na mbongo ya maboko.

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Mpo na nsuka, yango nde ezwaka mokano,
mbala boni tofutaka na mbongo ya maboko.

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Soki motuya ya kofuta na mbongo ya maboko
ekiti na 25, 30 pɔsɛ, bandako ya mombongo

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bakolinga lisusu te kofuta na mbongo ya maboko.

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Mpe soki motuya ya kofuta na mbongo ya maboko ekiti
na 10 to 15 pɔsɛ, wana nde mobeko ya bokeseni ekokɔta.

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Yango elingi koloba, na demokrasi na biso to mpe na niveau ya
politiki na biso, likambo ezalaka ntango nyonso, mpo

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ezali na bokeseni, infrastructure ya mbongo ya maboko, oyo
ezali na ntalo, ezali na bokeseni, kobatela ntalo wana.

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Mpe yango nde bazali koluka na nsuka, ete motuya ya
kofuta na mbongo ya maboko ekita mingi lokola na Scandinavie.

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Mpe kuna mobeko ya bokeseni ezali kokɔta mingi mingi.

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Yango wana losambo na ngai epai na batali nyonso,
futa na mbongo ya maboko ntango nyonso oyo okoki.

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Mpe na yango ozali koloba eloko mosusu te sé mbala
nyonso – EE epai na mbongo ya maboko mpe EE epai na bonsomi.

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Iyo, matondo mingi.

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Mbala moke, motuna ya kokusa, petisio ekosalema ntango boni?

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Mpo tokoki koloba yango 100 pɔsɛ te.

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Ezalaka na ntango oyo bakondimela
yango mpenza na Conseil ya Europe.

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Yango ekoki kino 15 Desɛmbɛ 2026, ekoki kozala naino.

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Soki sikoyo mpenza masolo ya trilogue ya ntina, na
kati ya bikuke ya kofungwama te, ezali kosalema.

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Malamu, monsieur Stützle, nazali kofuta matondo.

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Tofutaka matondo mpo na masolo oyo ya pole.

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Mpe nakanisi, tokoki kolakisa bino nyonso, ete tozala
na elonga mingi na mosala ya malamu ya kokoba na makambo

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mingi ya ntango oyo esengeli mpo na sosiete ya bonsomi.

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Matondo mingi.

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Melesi mingi mpe.

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Melesi.