Heritage Party Leader David Kurten on Digital ID, Immigration, Israel and the Resistance Movement

17.11.2025 | www.kla.tv/39473

Interviewer: Well, we're very honored to have David Kurten with us today. David Kurten is the founder and the current leader of the Heritage Party in the UK. We're very happy to have him today on Kla.tv. David, thank you very much for joining us. David Kurten: Thank you, Dan. Good to be with you. Interviewer: Tell us a little bit about the Heritage Party, first of all. It's a conservative party? David Kurten: Yeah. I call it a socially conservative party. So there is a party in the UK that is called the Conservative Party. But I say they're a fake conservative party because they're not doing anything conservative anymore. They're actually feeding into the decay and the decline of the nation. They support LGBT, they support abortion, they support net zero, they support wars; all kinds of things that are detrimental to the country. They pushed lock-downs, they pushed injections on people. They're financially, grossly irresponsible. So in the UK, the two main parties historically, the conservatives and the Labour Party, really are just the same as each other now. They're not really doing anything different in terms of policy. So I thought we actually really need a truly socially conservative party that is founded with Christian principles. It's not explicitly a Christian party, but has that built into the manifesto. So that's why I started the Heritage Party back in 2020. And we've been going since then and trying to get candidates to stand wherever we can and feed into the narratives and conversations in the UK. Interviewer:Yes, I was watching one of your YouTube presentations and you called what's going on in England the „Uniparty“. And not only would that mean the Conservatives and the Labour Party, but also the Lib Dems. Any other parties you'd fit into that „Uniparty“ catagory? It's easy for us because we only have two parties to lump into that category. David Kurten:Well, I think you used the phrase the „Uniparty“ in the USA as well. And I know Trump is a little bit different. But before Trump, there was not much difference between Republicans and Democrats in terms of what they did. So, yeah, we have the same concept now. I mean, it's a word that is growing in its use. But, yes, the Green Party would definitely be part of that. I would say there's four, the fake Conservatives, as I call them, Labour, the Lib Dems and the Greens and they're all pretty much, you know, the same as each other. There might be slight differences within the overtone window of globalism, but not much between them. Interviewer: Yeah. Here in America, I call the Republicans and the Democrats the two wings of the war party, basically. David Kurten: Right. That's it. They both support war. Yes. Interviewer: Now, one of the reasons Kla.TV was really interested in having you on, is because of your apparent stance on the fight against the coming or the current push for digital ID. Tell us a little bit about the London…Excuse me. Tell us a little bit about your party's - the Heritage Party's position on digital ID. David Kurten: Yeah, I mean, to me, this is just one of 20 different battles that we're fighting all at the same time. But this is really a big thing. And it really is a main pillar of Agenda 2030 and the plans of the globalists to bring in a completely new system of financial, economic and political system where the freedoms that we've all known for all the time that we've had before will just be gone. Because what they want to do is, of course, create a system where you need permission. And you need to verify yourself and log in and check in in order to go into a venue, to get travel tickets, to engage with the government in any way, whether that's to get a passport, to get a driving license, to buy a house, you know, or even just to spend money because it will be related to central bank digital currencies and perhaps a social credit system like you have in China as well. So I've been against this from the very beginning, the inception of the Heritage Party. And it was very much during the COVID era, 2020 to 2022, that people started to realize that this was a plan. This was part of the whole agenda because we had injections, as I call them, experimental injections. I know that the mainstream calls them vaccines, but they wanted to bring in vaccine passports, whereby you wouldn't be able to do anything without a vaccine passport to prove that you'd had your jab, you'd had your booster, you'd had your second booster and whatever. And of course, I'd never had any injections at all. I completely knew that that was the wrong thing to do because it would be devastating to your health and isn't going to do anything good for you. But this is just the same idea in a way. I mean, back then, even in 2021, they were talking about a wallet on your smartphone, a digital wallet, which would have lots of different attributes; that would tell the people looking at it, you know, what you need, what you are, information about you, information about your jabs, information about your social media, et cetera, et cetera. So they're bringing the same idea back again. And yes, so, of course, with a basic principle that we have in the Heritage Party is that we need to operate under our fundamental freedoms in common law. And anything that takes away the fundamental freedoms is wrong! And no government should impose a system which is totalitarian, like digital identity will be. Interviewer: Now, do any of the other conservative parties or even ostensible conservative parties in the UK, do they also take a stance against this push for digital ID, or is it only the Heritage Party? David Kurten: We are the only ones who have been consistent on this over the last five years. And, you know, I was talking about it when we were still called conspiracy theorists for even mentioning the idea. But, of course, now Keir Starmer, who is the head of the Labour Party, has said in Parliament, stood up and said that there's going to be digital ID for everyone in the country. Now, the thing is, this is very interesting because it goes across party lines and you have the majority of the Uniparty are supporting it because they are beholden to the World Economic Forum and globalism. But you do have individuals, dissenters in all the parties, that are against it. But, you know, so you do have some people that might be considered on the far left, interestingly, being against digital ID. And there is another party which is called Reform, which is sort of in the same area as we are as the Heritage Party. They never said anything about digital ID at all. In fact, some of them supported the idea. But they've just realized that a lot of people on the right. If you like, where I am, are against it. So they've just recently said that they're against digital ID, although they do require digital ID to make donations in cryptocurrencies. So they are a little bit inconsistent. You know, they say one thing, but in practice, they're actually implementing it. So I don't think there's any other party that has been consistently against it and understands all of the issues about it and is going to act to end it in the UK. I think the Heritage Party is the only one. Interviewer: Now, Reform is led by Nigel Farage, correct? That is right. Yes. And so he must…- there must be an agenda that he has to follow. But he also has his finger to the wind and he has to see where the people stand. And so he must have to be walking a fine tightrope between pushing the global agenda and recognizing that there is quite a bit of opposition to this digital ID push. David Kurten: It is. And, you know, there are a lot of people who say they support Reform and may vote for them because they want to get rid of the Labour Party. You see, because we have the first past the post system and now we have a multiple party system in the UK, sort of five parties that are polled for. People voted out the Conservatives in the last election. People are going to vote out Labour in the next election because they hate them. They're so dreadful and tyrannical. But Nigel Farage, I mean, I know him because back in the day, before 2016, I was in the same party as he was fighting for the Brexit referendum. So 10 years ago, you know, I spent a lot of time with him, back in 2016. Now it's different because he runs a party, I run a different party. But I think with Nigel Farage at the moment and over the last five years, he's been on the wrong side of everything initially. And then he realizes, oh, there are a lot of people who actually agree with me and what the Heritage Party says. And then he changes his mind. But in some cases, the damage has been done or he's too late. He turns up late to the party when he sees which way the wind is blowing. So I think he doesn't operate out of principles. He's just a pure populist in a way. He looks and does polling and sees what's popular. And then he tries to jump on the bandwagon of public opinion rather than trying to lead and say, this is wrong. We need to oppose this. Or this is what we need to do. This is right. We need to go in this direction for the good of the country. So, there's no question, you know, he is a great communicator. But, I think in terms of policy, he doesn't get it. He doesn't really get things properly. And he just says things because he sees votes in it. Interviewer: Yes. Might you say that he's a populist in word but not deed? David Kurten: Yeah, absolutely. Yes. And sometimes he says different things that contradicts himself. Like, you know, he said nothing about digital ID. And then he's for it with immigration, which is another big issue in the UK. He says, oh, we can't deport lots of people. And then he's got a lot of stick and a lot of flack for saying that. And then he turns around and says, oh, yes, we can deport lots of people. So, you know, he would say different things within a couple of months of each other that are completely contradictory. So you actually don't know what he really stands for. But you can see that he's just following what he thinks public opinion is, which is really what a populist is rather than someone who's principled. Interviewer: I mean, wasn't one of the main platforms of UKIP, United Kingdom Independence Party, getting control of immigration. And so therefore, Nigel Farage, that must have been at the front of his shtick (policy) before. David Kurten: When he was in UKIP, yes, that was a big policy platform. I mean…UKIP was known for standing for two things: prior to 2016 it was coming out of the EU and controlling our borders; getting immigration down to, you know, tens of thousands, getting it down to a very, very low level. You know, then he left UKIP straight after the referendum, sort of went away into the wilderness for three years and came back in 2019 with something called the Brexit Party. But he didn't want to talk about immigration at all with the Brexit Party. He just wanted it to be about coming out of the EU. And he was very, very quiet on immigration. And then he went away again and then came back just in 2024 as the leader of Reform (party). And then he's trying to be finding his feet on what the policy is on immigration. He said one thing and then he said another. So, yeah, the people that voted for Brexit very much wanted control of our borders because it was out of control even 10 years ago. It's even more out of control now. But Farage is just very, very late again to come in and say, yes, immigration is something that we need to deal with. Interviewer: Yes. And I have heard that getting out of the EU did not necessarily mean moving into this new era of a sane border policy. Some people say quite the opposite in fact. David Kurten: Well, what's happened is that immigration from EU countries has plummeted. And in fact, a lot of people from EU countries that were living in the UK, especially Poland, Romania, Czech Republic, have gone back. So actually now there's net emigration from the UK to the EU. But that's been replaced by immigration from all over the rest of the world to the UK. So the main countries that people are coming from now are India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nigeria. And then significant numbers from Afghanistan and Syria and Somalia, Ethiopia. And that is a massive problem because some of them have got very, very different cultures and just don't know how to behave. Interviewer: Oh, yeah. What an improvement that is over immigrants from Poland and Czechoslovakia, right? David Kurten: Right. I mean, they were good. I mean, I live with Polish people and they're wonderful. You know, they're very well integrated. They love this country and they're here because they love the place and they want to be here. But, you know, you've got a lot of people coming from some places and they just want to, you know, make a little bit of money. Or sometimes they just want to get welfare and do worse, engage in criminal activity as well. Interviewer: Yes. Yes. Now, you mentioned Keir Starmer. I only listened to the beginning of his speech because the part that shocked me was enough. I had heard enough when I got there. He stood up and said that in order to work, in order to get a job in the UK, you will have to have your digital ID or you will not be able to work. That's almost a verbatim quote, is it not? David Kurten:That is. And it's absolutely wicked and totalitarian. And before that, he was promoting digital ID on the basis that we needed to deal with illegal immigration. But everyone knew that was rubbish. He got ripped apart for saying that, because they could stop illegal immigration today if they wanted to. They just need to stop escorting boats across the channel from France. But then he says in his speech, it was at the end of September, exactly what you said: You will have to have a digital ID to be able to get a new job or to rent a new home. And then we just thought this is tyranny. And why on earth should we have to do this when we've never had to do it before? But there's absolutely no reason to bring it in and to undermine our freedom in this way. Interviewer: And what an obvious undermining of the freedom. I cannot rent you a house or a room in my house or an apartment unless you present some digital ID to me. And you know what the ironic thing is here that, you just mentioned it, I didn't hang on in that speech to hear that second part where you won't be able to rent with without digital ID. And then they say the digital ID, you know, they think it's an easy sell. Well, it's to control immigration. And I think this whole anti -immigration infrastructure, like Trump's wall and the billions we put into border control and all this stuff. And in America, the ICE agents, the masked ICE agents and the building of what are they called? Crocodile Guantanamo or something. David Kurten: Oh, yes. Yeah. Alcatraz. Interviewer: Yeah. That's it. Alligator Alcatraz. All this expensive stuff. Just listen to Keir Starmer, I'll tell you what the solution is. It's very inexpensive. It's very cheap. You don't even need border control. You just say - if you come into the country, landlords will not be able to rent to people who are here illegally and employers will not be able to employ people who haven't done their the process. I lived in Japan. I had to go through the process, get my visa, get my stamps. Then I could work legally. There's nothing wrong with that. If they just impose those laws, who would stay? You can come to England, but you're not going to get welfare. You're not going to get a house and you're not going to get work. Who needs the army we're putting on our borders? David Kurten: Right. I mean, this is just what the majority of countries in the world do. Like you say, you can't go to China as a British person or an American and turn up and say, oh, I'm here now. Give me a house. Give me some money. Give me some welfare. Give me some free medical attention. I mean, they would just laugh at you and put you on the first plane home. But we got this idea in Western countries that somehow we, you know, not me, but the people in power, obviously, with the Labour Party and you had the Democrats in the USA for a number of years, would say, oh, well, we have to spend billions and not just billions, but hundreds of billions of pounds on money and welfare and medical care and education for anyone from anywhere in the world who comes to our country, which is just ridiculous. And, yeah, it would sort itself out if that was, you know, what we did. We were just saying like China, India, Argentina, Zimbabwe, none of these countries would do these things. Even Poland, you know, they come to the UK. They can get all these benefits, but they say you're crazy to do this. You know, you wouldn't get this in Poland! But you don't need digital ID for this! There's already a system in place where employers have to verify or, you know, they have to see someone's visa. They have to see someone's passport. And if they don't have documentation, they can't give them a job. But, you know, some people who are employers, they break the law and they pay people a slave wage. Well, they need to be found and then prosecuted in the normal manner. But if you just stop welfare. And that's the issue in the UK. We'll actually spend £ 12 billion a year in welfare, called universal credit, which is given to foreign nationals. Which is a huge amount of money which could be spent on, well, we wouldn't even, we borrow it actually. I say we could spend it on something else. We're borrowing, you know, £ 150 billion a year because we're spending beyond our means. But nearly 10% of that is given in welfare payments directly to foreign nationals. You just scrap that and a lot of people would just go home, you know, and then the problem would sort itself out. But the phrase is being coined this year, „suicidal empathy“. And this is really what we're doing. You know, I don't have that. But some people, they virtue signal. They say we need to do this because if we don't, we're nasty. And that's the thing. But if you do it, you're actually being nasty to the people that live here. And in the end, everything is going to be collapsed. Everything will collapse and fall apart and no one will have anything. So you've just got to have a bit of common sense about it. Interviewer: And this engineered collapse, this is where they'll call us conspiracy theorists. But I actually think that is the goal right there. David Kurten: Yeah, indeed. I mean, you have people who've been saying for a long time there should be a great reset, and it is coming. And then along with that, people use the phrase „build back better“. So, you know, we've gone through managed decline, decay. I think we're now in the UK in the place of demolition where the government we've got at the moment is just actively demolishing everything that's left. So that there will be a crash. And then they can build back better with digital ID and with smart cities and 15 -minute cities and everyone living in horrible pods in brutal tower blocks in places where you're not allowed to go out into the country from. You have to stay in your area and engage with the world through your smartphone. And, you know, that's no way to live. You might as well not bother. It would be like living in a perpetual prison. So we have to stop this before it happens. And, you know, this is why I'm doing what I do with the Heritage Party and politics in the UK. And it's why a lot of people in other countries are doing things where they are as well. And they're all doing fantastic work. Interviewer: I wonder if in the UK anybody actually buys the argument that, well, in order to control immigration, we need the digital ID. I mean, I've traveled all around the world and I've worked in a few places. I had full time jobs in in Austria, in Costa Rica and Japan. I never needed a digital ID. And I just went through the normal routes: Where's your visa? Where's your passport? There were other countries I would have liked to work into. I would have liked to work in the south of France. I would have liked to work in Switzerland, but they didn't want me and they didn't need me. So the law just said I couldn't. So I didn't. There was no army that was needed or digital ID to keep me out. David Kurten: Exactly! You don't need it. No one's ever needed it before! And most countries operate perfectly well without it. They've never had it. And most countries do control their borders. I mean, Japan, South Korea, they control their borders very, very effectively. Saudi Arabia controls its borders. Russia controls its borders. Most African countries, Argentina, Chile and South America, they control their borders perfectly adequately without digital ID. And they let you into work if you have a work visa, which you apply to before you go. And that's the normal system. But for some reason, you've got people in the West, in the EU and the Five Eyes countries, the Anglo -Saxon countries, that are just trying to bring in. . . It's crazy. They're just opening the borders. And I think it is definitely part of a plan, you know, an organized plan to. . . slowly and then quickly collapse society in many, many different ways. You know, and you can see that happening. You know, the UK, we've had immigration for quite a long time, but it's ramped up. But in some countries, immigration in Europe, in some countries immigration is a very, very new thing. Germany just started having mass immigration in 2015. Ireland, even more recently, only in the last two or three years. Ireland is in a terrible state because they've really just gone for it just from zero, like accelerated from, you know, zero to 100 miles per hour on immigration just from the get-go. And in three years, Ireland is totally transformed into a place which is very, very unsafe and very, very unhappy. And, you know, people just can't live a normal life there anymore. So, you know, definitely. Yeah. People are deliberately trying to crash a lot of Western countries at the moment. Interviewer: And do you think that many people in conservative, let's just say many conservatives are still just deathly afraid of being accused of being racist and therefore they won't speak up on these issues. David Kurten:I think with immigration, it's changed. I think even five years ago, people were a little bit reticent to speak about it because the mainstream media and people, you know, and the cultural Marxist left would immediately call you a racist or a bigot or something. But I don't think people care about that anymore. They just say, you know, people know that there is such a huge problem. And in England, migrant crime is very, very obvious because you've got hundreds of thousands of people which the government has put in hotels. Not just in the large cities, but in small cities and small towns around the country. And there's huge crime and sexual assaults going on. Near many of these migrant hotels. And there are lots of protests about them. So now people don't care anymore because they want their country back and they want to live in safety, basically. And so it doesn't work anymore. But, you know, so now in the UK, people are actually talking about civil war and speaking, talking that up. I totally reject the idea that there has to be a civil war with like, you know, patriots fighting migrants. But it needs to be stopped and it needs to be dealt with. And it can be dealt with very, very easily by removing the rewards for coming to the country. Like you said earlier, don't give people welfare. Don't give people health care. Don't give people a place to stay. If they come to the country, they have to look after themselves. And if they can't, they'll just go home of their own accord. Interviewer: Yes. OK, speaking of the amount of crime, the costs to this massive illegal and legal immigration coming into the country. So people have stopped being reticent about talking about it. There's a movement to do something about it. I think in one of your recent videos, you mentioned a recent massive protest where - I mean, I even read the comments in the YouTube and they were chastising you for saying that the numbers were smaller than they were. In any case, it was maybe two hundred thousand plus. Other people say a million, two million. So there's a real movement now, it seems, and a change in thinking to get something going. But what I want to ask you is how do we prevent this movement from being hijacked? How do we,… and talk about the recent protest where Tommy Robinson appears. And this - I mean, this Twilight Zone level introduction of these Maori warriors. Explain that one to our audience. I couldn't believe it. David Kurten: Yeah, I mean, in many ways it has already been hijacked. And, you know, that's not surprising because anything that happens, which is a resistance to the government, the government policy or to what the establishment wants, which is mass migration, net zero and wokery. And anything that is an opposition to that, there will be infiltration. You know, Lenin said. The best way to control the opposition is to lead it. And with this, this year was the Unite the Kingdom rally you're talking about, which happened in September in London. Right. And the people that went were wonderful. I didn't go, because it was run by Tommy Robinson, who's very, very involved with Israel, with the Mossad and supporting the Netanyahu regime there and everything that's going on there, which I completely don't support. And I think what he's trying to do, is tie up patriotism in the UK with support for Israel. Now, you know, what people think about the Middle East is up to them. But I don't think the two things should be mixed together. Something about the UK should just be about the UK. It shouldn't be about Israel or Palestine or Russia or Ukraine or anything else. So they are trying to tie those two things together. And as you mentioned, he got these Maori Dancers from New Zealand to come over and rip up a Palestine flag on the stage and get everyone to cheer that they ripped up the flag of a whole nation. You know, I mean, I'm no fan of Hamas, of course. But they're just a small number of people in that nation. And to just, you know, just disrespect a whole nation like that, which is Muslims and Christians living there - there are many Palestinian Christians. I think is appalling, you know, to see that there's nothing to do with the UK. It's nothing to do with uniting the kingdom here in Britain. So that thing was really incongruous on the day. Interviewer: It was bizarre because think of the insanity of getting the natives, you know, the longtime natives from New Zealand to come in and Demonstrate against the indigenous people of the Levant, the indigenous people of Palestine. I mean, it doesn't make any sense at all. What did they pay these people? Total set up, I think. David Kurten: They must have paid them a huge amount because they flew them in from the other side of the world. I mean, heaven knows what they had to pay for all their flights and their expenses. And it was very bizarre. And what I found quite disturbing. Was they were trying to make this be a Christian thing because they had this very strange man there, with them, who said he was a Christian pastor. And he was speaking against Palestine in the name of Jesus, which I think is blasphemous, to be honest. I mean, it's nothing to do with Jesus. It's nothing to do with Christianity. It's nothing to do with England or the UK. And, you know, seeing that, I'm very, very glad I didn't go to support that because there were so many people there. Who are really well-intentioned and good-hearted and love this country. And then you're presented with this bizarre thing that tries to tie love for your own country with hatred for Palestinians. I think it's appalling. Interviewer: I wonder if, I wonder how many Christians look at what's going on in Palestine - And just to really illustrate it, let's look at some of the most egregious stuff going on. shooting people waiting in line, because they're starving, they're waiting for food, killing pregnant mothers, shooting at hospitals and churches and food distribution centers torturing once they have their captives. And then I like to ask, you know, WWJD: what would Jesus do? It just does not seem like something that stems from the spirit of the Prince of Peace to me. David Kurten: You're absolutely right. Of course, it's horrendous. And, you know, how anyone could support this ethnic cleansing, this mass murder, this slaughter, this genocide. You know, people use different words for what's been happening in Gaza over the last two years. It's beyond belief. But there's very, very powerful manipulation to get people in the West to support it. And, you know, this was one of those things. This Tommy Robinson rally. And a lot of commentators on the right, on the patriotic right are absolutely 100% pushing the narrative that Israel is always right. They're fighting terrorism. When actually they are the terrorists themselves. And you've also got massive manipulation in the evangelical churches both in the USA and the UK particularly and around the anglosphere with this dispensational theology that comes from Darby and Scofield. And some of your listeners might know about that. You know, which is very much tied in with what you would call Christian Zionism. It's a perversion of Christianity. It's a heresy. It twists biblical scripture to try to get the nation of Israel, which was created in 1948, which has nothing to do with the ancient Israelites, to get that to be an idol. And for some people who go to some churches, and I've been to some of them, the nation of Israel becomes more important than Jesus. Which I just find very bizarre. And I think you really need some deprogramming from this. But people are so ingrained and engrossed in this dispensationalism, end times Zionism. They believe that God ordained the modern state of Israel and it started a prophetic clock for Jesus to come back. And they're looking at everything that's going on there. And then I've had people say to me, we're not supporting you anymore because you're not supporting Israel. I just say, I'm against genocide. I'm against people killing each other. That's what I'm against. And if you support that, well, there's something wrong with you. That's what I say. Interviewer: I mean, I didn't think it was as prevalent. It can't be as prevalent in the UK. This Christian Zionism in the Christian community. As it is here in America. But it sounds like it's quite a bit further along than I thought. David Kurten :There are a lot of people who support it. Of course, you're right. It's nowhere near as prevalent in the UK as the USA. Well, one, we've got a smaller population. And I think there's a lower percentage of people that do believe it. But obviously, you've got tens of millions of people in America who are evangelical Christians. Maybe one million or so in the UK. So not so many. But among those people. Who are very much involved in patriotism. In the socially conservative politics in the UK. It's a very strange hold and stronghold on people's minds. In a lot of people who would be active otherwise. So Catholics, Roman Catholics don't hold that at all. Neither do Orthodox Christians. But within evangelical churches in the UK. It's quite a prevalent belief in the dispensationalism among some churches. Interviewer: Yes. You mentioned the Catholics and the Orthodox. I wonder if the same applies for the higher echelons of the Catholic Church. And the higher echelons of the Orthodox. You could say that the public is - Maybe in the UK - you could say that the public is a little bit more realistic on the situation, than our politicians or than our media. Because before you mentioned strongholds and influence and there certainly is a big money influence on them. But as far as… Oh, I wanted to run a theory by you: It seems that since 1948 the UN has come out with dozens, if not hundreds of resolutions against Israel, in one form or another. In order to get them to stop behaving like they do. But we can always count on the US and say Vanuatu or a couple islands in the South Pacific to vote these down. And since America is on the Security Council these resolutions are never passed through - they're never approved. And I noticed that generally the UK and the Commonwealth and the Western European countries, when Israel needs to be sanctioned with some new resolution, they take the correct side. They try to sanction Israel. But I wonder if what they're doing is they're casting a vote that matches the will of the people, knowing all along that it'll never go anywhere. And if let's say America was not involved - let's say we weren't a member of the UN. And let's say that Great Britain or the UK, which is a member of the Security Council, I believe, I bet that they would switch in a heartbeat. I bet you that they would vote against these resolutions. If they had to. In order to keep the thing going. David Kurten: It's a hypothetical. You know. Scenario seen there. But yeah. I think that there is a high possibility. That that would happen. Yeah. If the US. For some reason left the UN. Then the UK would be the bulwark left on the Security Council to implement the globalist agenda. And very much it seems that the political parties; that the Uniparty. Is very much controlled by Israeli money. But you have the labor friends of Israel and most of the government at the moment are in that organization. You've got the conservative friends of Israel. And many of the former prime ministers and shadow ministers in the parliament at the moment are in that. So there's a lot of money flowing around in the UK used to get politicians to support Israel and Zionism. Just as AIPAC in the USA funds both Democrats and Republicans to support whatever Israel wants to do. So yes, there's a lot of money that would try to get the UK to support Israel's position in the United Nations, if that did come to pass hypothetically. But you know. I'm glad it's only hypothetical at the moment. Interviewer: Yeah. Speaking as you do, with honesty about the situation; with Zionism and Israel's influence on our politics, I assume you've probably been accused of anti-Semitism. Have you been threatened? What has happened? David Kurten: I've been accused of everything. I mean I'm a racist, I'm a homophobe, a transphobe. an Islamophobe and an anti -Semite. All at the same time. You know, I don't know how that works! You know, I just… I just say - you know what, I'm just interested in the truth. And the narrative that was presented about the 7th of October was clearly flawed. Because yes, Hamas did come across the border and kill lots of the Israeli people there. But, there was a stand down order. They were allowed to come across the border by someone high up in the Israeli government or armed forces. I mean the most secure border - border fence in the world was left unguarded. At the exact moment that Hamas came across and then did what they did. And you know, that's obviously because someone wanted that to happen. To give them the excuse to go in and raze Gaza to the ground - and commit genocide. So you know, I've said that. And it is just what is happening. It's a fact that Israel has slaughtered tens or maybe hundreds of thousands of women and children and men who are completely innocent and are not part of Hamas. And it's absolutely abhorrent. And I get called an anti-Semite for that. You know I sort of opposed the…or called out this football club. Macarby Tel Aviv when they came to Amsterdam; and they ran riot and they were causing all kinds of trouble in Amsterdam. And then they were banned from visiting Birmingham. And I said: well that was a good decision. But there was a massive narrative saying: This is anti-Semitic! And anyone who doesn't agree that this is anti-Semitic to ban these Israeli football hooligans is anti-Semitic. As well! Well, so more recently, I now regularly get called anti-Semitic. But, you know, that's losing its power as well, because it's just something that people throw out there when you don't support Israel's genocide. And so, well, everyone can see that what they're doing is absolutely abhorrent. And, you know, it's not anti -Semitic. I'm anti -genocide. You know, that's it. Interviewer: Yeah, yeah. Speak the truth and don't worry about the names they call you and the put downs. I just watched a …, this was from almost a year ago, but well in the time of the slaughter, this era of slaughter going on in Palestine. And it was Piers Morgan interviewing, his name escapes me, the Pink Floyd front man who actually supports the Palestinians. David Kurten: Oh, John Waters, is it? Interviewer: Oh, it's close to that. Anyway, there are two of them. Two front men for Pink Floyd, and one of them is really pro-Israel, is very pro-Israel. And the other one is …, I don't know why I can't remember his name right now, because I'm in an interview. But he - and one thing that, let's call it the - the pro -Israel side does whenever you mention the atrocities and the slaughter and the intentional forced starvation of these people and the cutting off of the medical aid and all this stuff. It's like they think this is an ace up their sleeve that they can whip out any time. They just say October 7th. And then, and this Pink Floyd front man, he says, oh, okay, let's talk about October. He says, you know, there's never been a really solid formal investigation of what actually happened that day. And Piers Morgan jumps in. Yes, there has. Yes, there has. It's all been decided. Beheaded babies, rapes, murders, et cetera, et cetera. And these lies are still floating around out there. And then I don't think there has been a good investigation of what has gone on that day. In any case, who can actually believe that iron dome Israel, that receives tens, if not hundreds of billions of defense aid from the United States can't maintain a 20 or 30 mile long border with their arch enemy in Gaza? You have to have rocks in your head if you believe that they were caught unaware and for some crazy reason decided not to do anything for seven hours. David Kurten: Yeah, I know. You know, it's so obvious that this was a setup, you know, and I - you know, I'm not saying that… It was a horrible day, obviously, but a lot of the people that were killed on that day were killed by the Israeli defense force themselves, when they sent up Apache helicopters to just enact the Hannibal directive and shoot everybody fleeing, whether they were Hamas or hostages alike. And they shelled a lot of the buildings in the Kibbutzim in southern Israel and killed the hostages and Hamas alike, you know. So there were no beheaded babies, there were no mass rapes. A lot of the people that were slaughtered there and burned in some of the buildings were burned by the IDF shelling and killing everybody under the Hannibal directive. But, you know, this is known now and it's been admitted by some people, even in the Israeli government. And you've got the, you know, commentators who are Israeli, like Efrat Fenigsen, who's been questioning the official narrative from the beginning. So for Piers Morgan and other people, two years afterwards, to still be pushing this line that was fake and false and contrived from the beginning, is essentially bad journalism. But, you know, I've been on Piers Morgan's show a couple of times to talk about different issues, to talk about Ukraine, which was, you know, in 2022. And the thing is, what he does is he interrupts you every five seconds so you can't actually build an argument and give a proper answer. He's not interested in your answers. He's just interested in interrupting you and putting his point of view across and bulldozing it across everybody else. But, you know, it's very, very difficult to be interviewed by him because he is a propagandist for the globalist lines. So I wouldn't take any truth from Piers Morgan or anybody who's pushing that and still pushing things that are, you know, obviously now proven to be untrue. Interviewer: He is and he is talented at what he does, because, you know, it's the whole thing about presenting 80 percent truth and then fudging on the rest on the last 20 percent. You know, he he appears to be very reasonable. And oh, look at how at the end of this interview, he got these two people to agree on some dumb thing that is not the main point. And you're right. He interrupts and he is just stirring the pot as much as he can. And I remember I remember this Pink Floyd guy at one point. He just stops and he starts talking to the camera and Piers says: „This is an interview. This is an interview“. And he says, no, I‘ve got to talk to your listeners. And he just makes his case that way because Piers would just constantly interrupt. David Kurten: Yeah, I think he treats different people in different ways. I mean, when I was on his show, he interrupted all the time. You know, he must have interrupted me about 100 times in 10 minutes. It was very, very difficult. But he has some people on like Andrew Tate, for example, or Jordan Peterson. And he lets them talk. For two, three, four minutes. And he doesn't interrupt them. So there's a clear difference. If he wants someone to be able to speak, he lets them speak. But if I was there to be destroyed, basically, I was there. There was Piers Morgan on one side. There was Richard Tice, who at the time was leading Reform Party on the other. And they both wanted to make me look silly because I was against giving more money and weapons to Ukraine to perpetuate the war there. I said we should be de-escalating rather than facilitating the war to continue. And they just wanted to destroy me because that was my position. But, you know, there's other people he has on and he listens to them. So, yeah, you can tell there's a difference. He's got two operating. Interviewer: Yes. It's almost like - there's this formula I have. It's like an algorithm. And it's like, well, here's a guy who presents himself as a dissident who's on the people's side. And I have one question. How many times has he been banned from YouTube? How many times has he been demonetized? Where is his stuff not available? You know, how many platforms has he gone from? That means a lot to me. And now you can also say that to what extent does Piers Morgan interrupt you? If he doesn't interrupt you, I'm suspicious. David Kurten: Yes. Yeah, right. Exactly. Yeah. He will have people on to push the narrative, to advance the narrative, to put ideas in people's head. I mean, this is the media acting, not in terms of journalism and reporting what's happened. But they're trying to actually manipulate your opinions. And most of the mainstream media is about that these days. In fact, a lot of the alternative media is about that as well. Because I realize now a lot of people that I thought were, you know, friends and fellow travelers before, you know, 2020. When all the craziness started with COVID, lockdowns, injections, Ukraine and then Gaza and now digital ID. A lot of those people, you know, just basically have gone back to the plantation again and just actually now are trying to manipulate people into supporting the government and globalist lines. So that's also very disappointing to me as well. But, you know, you've got to be very, very careful to avoid the wolves in sheep's clothing. As they say. Interviewer: You know, you do have to be very careful. And also it's a fine line, because if you go too far and being very careful, if you're too skeptical, you're not going to listen to the genuine voices out there. David Kurten: That‘s true. Interviewer: So there has to be some way where we can… like, like my gut feeling right now is you're the real deal. David Kurten: Thank you. Interviewer: I hope you feel the same way about us. David Kurten: Well, the thing is, me being myself, I can completely agree with myself. So. But I'm just interested in the truth, you know, and whatever that is, I say it, whether it's popular or not. And I've had a lot of people say to me on one issue or another or another. Oh, we like what you say on this, but you should be quiet on that because that's not very popular. You'll lose support. You know, you're pro-life. You'll lose support. You're against Zelensky. You sound like you're pro-Putin, with that you'll lose support. Oh, you're against Israel. I'm not. I'm against genocide. You lose support for that. You know, there was a case of a nurse in the UK that was wrongly put in prison, is still in prison. She's called Lucy Letby. And I just knew in my spirit that what has been done to her was wrong. She was a scapegoat in the set up. And I've been speaking out against that from the beginning. And now that's turned around. The majority of the country is supporting her and wants her to be released from prison. You know. But initially I had people saying, oh, there's a lot of people. They don't like what you're saying about this - you should be quiet. And I think, well, if I I feel something, you know, I discern something or I research something and come to a conclusion, that is the truth, I just speak it out. You know, I just say what is there. And, you know, I'm not … because it's the truth. And that's all I'm interested in. Really, I'm not interested in, you know, pandering to one group or another. And I try to lead. I think, you know, being a leader of a political party, I want to lead people into, you know, the right way of doing things and and, you know, taking the right side on things as well, even if I have opposition. Interviewer: Right, right. Let me read a quote that I got from the Google AI and I want to get your response to it. Google AI says - we're talking about the Reform Party. That's the Nigel Farage party we mentioned earlier: „Reform UK candidates have called for bans on pro-Palestinian protests in London, citing public order concerns and potential threats to British Jews.“ End quote. Is this true? David Kurten: Yes, it is true. And they're part of the fake alternative Zionist-Right. You know, again, like I said, before 2020, we would have agreed on almost everything. We were against the wokery, the transgenderism, the attacks on free speech. But it's very disturbing that suddenly after October the 7th, 2023, now they're against free speech for people who are protesting against genocide. And they're smearing anyone who goes on a pro-Palestine march as being a hate marcher, anti-Semitic. And then there's the narrative: these things need to be stopped because British Jews feel uncomfortable. And there's so many times over and over again, there's things which have been weaponized in the UK to say, oh, British Jews feel uncomfortable. We need to do something. But, you know, they're not doing anything about white people feeling uncomfortable because there's all these migrant hotels popping up all over the place where there are, you know, sexually assaulting white girls. And there's grooming gangs, which is another scandal that's been going on - for 50 years. And no one's doing anything about that. But all of a sudden, oh, there's some British Jews feel uncomfortable. So they need to ban these marches and undermine free speech. And Reform have been part of the pack. You know, you've got a lot of people in these so-called alternative stations, GB News and Talk TV, the Reform Party and a number of other commentators who have been set up as being Alt-Right who are now Zionist controlled. And they're agitating against free speech where before they have been totally for it. And it's just very disturbing to see these people actually say, well, you know, we're for free speech. But not them. Not them. Interviewer: That's amazing. It's amazing. David Kurten: This is tyranny. For lack of another name. I, you know, what I've always spoken against for many years, I've said a lot about cultural Marxism, which is, you know, on the left. And they would try to cancel people and ban people because they say they're homophobic or racist or Islamophobic or transphobic. Well, the, the Zion-Right and now the, the absolute mirror image of the cultural Marxist left, because they're trying to ban people on the basis that they're anti-Semitic. They're doing exactly the same thing as the cultural Marxist left. You know, it's very disturbing to see. Interviewer: Yeah. It makes me think about the push in America across the country to ban anti-Semitic speech on campuses and in public places and public institutions: It is nothing but the most obvious and blatant attack on our most cherished right in our constitution, which is the first amendment. David Kurten: Exactly. I can see that, you know, every now and again, a story filters through from what's happening in America, which is, you know, kicking students out of campus and deporting them or arresting them, even imprisoning them for saying things against Israel. But I would say whatever you like. Interviewer: I know. I know. And, you know, in the tradition of Hyde Park, let's say Speaker's Corner, I just over a year ago, I was in Hyde Park and Speaker's Corner and I interviewed a guy named Nick Cotton and… David Kurten: I know Nick. Yes. Interviewer: Do you know Nick? David Kurten: Yes. Interviewer: What's he up to? How come he's been silent for the last year? What's he doing? David Kurten: He's gone quiet. I don't know where he is now. He just suddenly has gone a bit quiet and I haven't heard anything from him for a year or so. So I don't know the latest on him. But, you know, I've met him and done many interviews with him on the Freedom Rally and things. Yeah. Great guy. I like him. Interviewer: He is a free speech warrior. I'll say that much. David Kurten: Yes. Yeah, indeed. Yeah, absolutely. Got a great spirit. And yeah, he's for free speech for everybody. And he will challenge everybody left and right, you know, on things if he doesn't agree with you. So, you know, which is great. But he would never say, oh, well, those pro-Palestine marches, they should be cancelled because they make somebody feel uncomfortable. You know, when they're not. Yeah. I, you know, you've got to think about the people in Gaza. I mean, they're uncomfortable. Sorry. You know, I don't care if someone is a little bit upset that somebody is marching against slaughter of tens of thousands of people, you know, and I think is absolutely appalling that people who have stood up for free speech have now suddenly turned around, probably because they got some Israeli money and are saying that these people should not have the right to free speech. Absolutely not. Interviewer: Right. Right. Now, the the Reform Party, is this an ostensibly conservative party? Do they call themselves a conservative party? David Kurten: Most of the people on the stage in the Reform Party at the top of the party are ex -conservatives. You know, I mean, Nigel Farage, not for a long time, you know, 30 years ago. So you couldn't really say he is recently. But, you know, Richard Tice, Andrea Jenkyns, Zia Yusuf, Lee Anderson, Sarah Pochin, Laila Cunningham, all the people that, Ann Widdecombe, all the people that are on the stage or on the TV representing them are all - all recently left the Conservative Party. I call them the conservative pressure valve. That's what they are, basically, because the fake Conservative Party run by Kemi Badenoch at the moment is tanked. It's never coming back. Their reputation is shot. People are disgusted with them, you know, for their record over 14 years. And now they're pretending to say, oh, we need to do this. We need to do that. And, you know, everyone just says to everything that they say. Well, why didn't you do it during your 14 years of power? It's all right for you to say that now. You should have done it when you were in power. And they just led the country into, you know, decline and mismanagement. But so the Reform party is basically a lifeboat and a pressure valve for people who want to leave the Conservative Party and continue their political careers in, you know, in five or 10 years time. So they think. But, you know, a week is a long time in politics. It might be three years until the next election. I mean, I do hope it's sooner because the Starmer regime is terrible. We can't cope with another three years of Starmer. But even if the next election is next year, a lot could happen in that time. You know, my message to people is always we're the genuine socially Conservative Party. We've been here for five years. We've been consistent in our policies and our principles over five years. We've got a full manifesto, which is comprehensive and coherent with policies in every area. Reform often look at our manifesto and then announce something as though they've thought it up. But I can see you've just lifted it from the Heritage Party manifesto. And this happens almost every week. I mean, it's, you know, which is almost, you know, a compliment in a way to how good it is. But I don't think, you know, a lot of people say they will support them. Because they get a lot of media attention. They're in the media 24 -7. They've got a lot of money to go in the media. Whereas we are sidelined and suppressed heavily. The media don't have us on at all. So all we can do is go out through social media and, you know, outlets that don't have, you know, that aren't the mainstream television stations. We do what we can. But, you know, we're still soldiering on and fighting. Interviewer: Good. David Kurten: We've got some wonderful people, wonderful candidates who are absolutely dedicated to fighting the insanity that's going on and restoring our nation. So I am still hopeful that we will push through in the end and come through as the next party. Interviewer: Very good. Very good. This leads me to my last question. And the mention, our brief back and forth about Nick Cotton reminded me of this. I would…I don't know if my politics, I can guess where my politics differ with Nick Cotton's politics. But it doesn't matter if we have a common issue. And I think for me and Nick, if we had to choose a common issue, it would probably be what's going on in Palestine. And I'm thinking the Reform, not the Reform Party, sorry, the Heritage Party, your party, I think they have the right stance on what's going on in Palestine. And the Zionism, Israeli involvement in our politics. And you have the right stance on the push for the AI agenda. So if you can't find common ground on the Right in the Conservative Party, in Reform, isn't it incumbent upon you or me or anybody to search for common ground on the other side? Right? Why not? Why not search for common ground in the Workers' Party or the Communist Party or the Socialist or Lib Dem or whatever it is? Find people where we have common ground and work towards a single issue at one time at least. And if we can do that, maybe we can make some positive movement forward. And if we do that, how do we keep the movement from being muddled by these issues which divide us? David Kurten: It's very difficult because, you know, we just don't have one or two policies. We've got 200 policies on all kinds of different areas because you have to have a fully comprehensive manifesto on every single thing. Whether it's, you know, war, military defense, which would cover Ukraine, cover the army, the navy, you know, Israel and Gaza. And our policy on that is non-engagement in third party conflicts except to try to de-escalate. And stop people from killing each other. You know, so you don't give military assistance to one side or the other unless you're defending the realm. You know, if someone tried to invade the UK, obviously you fight. If someone, you know, the Falkland Islands or the Cayman Islands, which are British territories, yeah, you defend them. But Russia and Ukraine, we don't give money to one side or the other. Israel and Palestine, you don't give money to one side or the other. You just try to de-escalate the situation and stop the slaughter. Which is the principle that we operate from. And that, disappointingly, we're the only party on the Right that has that principle and policy, because all of the others seem to be, yeah, give money to Ukraine, kill Russians, give money to Israel, kill Palestinians. Stop people from speaking about this. Smear people if they have the other opinion. So, you know, I find myself, bizarrely, agreeing far, far more with George Galloway of the Workers' Party on those issues. I mean, he's the only other party leader who's actually spoken out against funding Ukraine and the genocide in Gaza. So I would agree with him on that. But then, you know, obviously there's many, many other things that I would agree with people on the right with that I wouldn't agree with George Galloway on. Economics. I mean, I would be for lower borrowing. Lower spending. Lower taxation. Whereas I think he would be for more of all of those things. You know, because that's where he's coming from. So you've got to find someone, you know, people that you agree with on the majority. But I try to get it right on all of these things. And, you know, we have a unique niche, I think, because we're socially conservative. But we're anti -war. We're anti -globalism. Which is why we don't want these digital IDs and this control system. And we were against lockdowns and experimental injections back in the day. Whereas Reform were all for it. They were all for, like, let's get Tony Blair to come in and inject people so we can get out of lockdown. And my view was that we don't need a lockdown because there is no threat from COVID. And we certainly don't need to inject anyone. Just, like, lift it and let's not comply with their tyranny. So we had a very, very different opinion back in the day on those things as well. So, yeah. So it's a difficult thing, you know, working with other parties. I do have arrangements with some other parties to not stand against them. But they're very much behind the scenes. They're nothing sort of that we announce publicly. But, you know, we're working on that for the elections coming up next year, local elections. And, you know, of which there are many in next May. Interviewer: Okay. Well, David Kurten, we've come up to the end of our hour. Thank you so much for joining us! Thank you for telling us about the Heritage Party. And we're going to pray for you and we wish you the best of luck. David Kurten: Thank you.

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