The Final Betrayal of Humanity - Interview with Patrick Wood

16.02.2026 | www.kla.tv/40339

Interviewer: Today I'm joined by the distinguished author who has been awakening the public for decades now on the topics of the Trilateral Commission and the incoming technocracy. He's been a guest at Kla.tv already a few times and I'm very happy that you're back with us, Patrick Wood. Patrick Wood: Thank you for having me back again. It‘s been a long time. Interviewer: Yeah, it has been and lots of stuff has happened and one thing that's happened is that you published this book, The Final Betrayal. A Cautionary Tale, How Technocracy Destroyed America. You're a co-author. It's two authors, right? It's you and Courtney Turner. And you just recently published it, I think last month? Patrick Wood: It came out on November 4th. So it's just been out for what, two or three months now. Interviewer: Wonderful. Yeah, this is a really nice read. It's nice that it's so short and so concise, and it summarizes basically what happened in Trump's first year and a bit of the historical origins and ideologies behind what we see unfolding here in the United States. And so the first question I wanted to ask you is: This book touches on the Trilateral Commission and Zbigniew Brzeziński's book called “The Technotronic Era” and things like that. Now, who founded the Trilateral Commission and what was or is their main goal? Patrick Wood: That was Zbigniew Brzeziński and David Rockefeller. Rockefeller was a money guy. Brzezinski was the academic. It's kind of the beauty and the beast, so to speak. And Brzezinski had this book. He wrote this book when he was a professor at Columbia University, of political science. And his title of his book was “Between Two Ages, America's Role in the Technotronic Era”. He used the word technotronic basically in place for technocratic. So at this point, I would see both of them as synonyms. But this was the ideology that was picked up by David Rockefeller in particular to basically subvert the resources of the world out of the hands of the nation states and the people as well. This has been a very long campaign, obviously 50 years plus now, but we see the consolidation, the mass consolidation of resources all around the world into stronger hands, if you will, not the states, not nation states or individuals at that point. Interviewer: Hmm, that's interesting. And speaking about the consolidation, is this whole thing that we're seeing right now with the US government going after the oil in Venezuela, threats to take over Greenland and Canada, is that going in this direction that was laid out by the Trilateral Commission? Or how would you sort that category? Patrick Wood: Yeah, actually, the quest for the North American technate that dates back to 1932 when Columbia University hosted the technocracy movement. And they basically set out to create a new economic system, a resource based economic system. And they specified at that point what the North American technate would look like. Basically, they had a map and they never said how they're going to do it. But nevertheless, they had this map and included Greenland, Canada, the United States, Mexico, all as essential as Central America and as well as Colombia and Venezuela at the top of South America. This is a crazy plan, but that's what they said. Well, this is the the natural geographic makeup of this continent. It didn't include all of South America, however, but nevertheless, they posted this map, And it just sat there for, you know, years and years, decades, until just recently, actually, when Trump took after Greenland and Panama was another target early on and they're talking about Mexico now and Canada. So this is, it seems to be the modern day fulfillment of that early picture. Interviewer: Yeah, and it seems it's not only Trump who is kind of informed, but also Mark Carney. I mean, he's all the time - the prime minister of Canada - he's repeatedly saying, if you're not at the table, you're on the menu, referring to these, referring to Canada and to, other middle nations, as he calls them, that are being, it appears if you're on the menu, I mean, you're about to be gobbled up, I guess. Patrick Wood: Oh, yeah. You know, it's interesting. The Trilateral Commission has been kind of dormant for, at least in the public eye for 45 years at this point. But now they're rising up I think kind of to take the food off the table, to get the harvest going here. Mark Carney is a member of the Trilateral Commission, number one. Interviewer: Look at that. Patrick Wood: Keir Starmer in UK is also a member of the Trilateral Commission. And there's other members around the world as well that are taking their place, if you will. And then of course you have all these arch technocrats in Washington, DC right now, all billionaires, by the way. People like, you know, Kratsios, Lutnik, Secretary of Commerce, David Sachs, etcetera, Elon Musk, of course, these people are the arch technocrats of the world, and they're rising up in concert with the Trilateral Commission members around the world. So go figure. You know, that this seems to be the end of the road, if you will, of the technotronic era that Brzezinski talked about in 1970. Interviewer: That's interesting. And the whole political order seems to be, I mean the past order seems to be shifting. Would you kind of agree on - I mean many people are kind of saying Trump is the wrecking ball for the old system, and not only Trump, I think politicians around the Western world right now - Would you say that that's kind of right to picture it like that? Patrick Wood: I think so. You know, I have to say this is not, this has never been about politics. It's always been about economics that this lies under the radar for most people. We're political animals, if you will. We want to discuss things. We want to analyze what's going on in Washington or any other place. And so the economic system has been progressing for these last 50 years under everybody's nose. We see crazy stuff coming out of the political system but it's all based on economics as well, for instance the agenda 21 program, the 2030 agenda program at the united nations. that was all started by doctrines that were harvested from the trilateral commission in the first place. But you see, well, we have treaties, the global climate, you know, climate change treaties that turns into politics and people scratch their head. What are they thinking? Well, that was all economic in the first place. And so we see the world progressing into this economic system just incredibly fast right now, but it took a long time to get to this point. So when the Trilateral Commission, for instance, took over the Carter administration, of President Jimmy Carter in 1976, they said pointedly, we're not interested in politics. We thought they were crazy to say that, you know, disingenuous. But they really meant it, they were after the economic engine of the world, that was the United States. So if they could use that as the springboard, if you will, to launch their new economic system: that's worked very well, when they passed it off to the United Nations to spread it to the world. Now we have a global technocracy that we're looking at, not just in America only. Interviewer: True. So, when you speak about this new economic system, how would you describe that? I mean, what is the the essence of it, the nature of it? Patrick Wood: Probably, as far as we're concerned, it'll be basically scientific dictatorship for the people of the world. That will kind of replace the political system that we have right now. The technocrats, even going back to 1932, they wanted to get rid of all the politicians in the world. And that's crazy. But they said, well, you know, we have the science, we have the engineering skills, the chops to make this work. There's nothing to discuss. We'll just tell you what we get out of our slide rules or whatever. And you just obey. So they thought, well, people don't need to discuss science because science is cut and dry. So there's no interpretation needed. And so, this is crazy. People rejected it in the end, but you can see the same philosophy or this outworking, if you will, of the arch technocrats in Washington DC right now, they're basically dismantling our government right before our eyes. And that means the politicians at some point are going to be out the door. They're being minimized right now. The power that they had maybe even 10 years ago has been stripped away from them. And they're still writing laws. They're still arguing over stuff. But they don't see this other monster coming in, this economic monster that basically will take over the whole world at that point. Interviewer: Right. I spoke with my colleague yesterday and it was a bit about, he brought up this idea that Trump with all this crazy behavior and this you know this bulldozing around, which is pretty provocative for many people, getting all this attention. And he's losing support because of all of that. And the question is, I mean, after Trump, many people think he's doing many mistakes, you know but is that a mistake at all or is that actually the plan or part of the plan to make politics look so ridiculous and basically pave the way for the system that comes after all this, after politics basically. Patrick Wood: It is. That's a good observation. I think that's probably true. All of the forces along the way that have basically shredded Western society, mass immigration, you know, the multiculturalism, the Marxist element as well, the red-green axis with Islam being in the mix as well. All of these other forces in the world are tending to be the shredders of society. And Trump now has, he's not a Marxist, obviously, but he's joined the wrecking crew, if you will, for the all world order. What will come after that? This is where we need to have our focus right now. It's not what went before, but it's what's going to come out of this. And, you know, you see these arch technocrats in Washington, D.C. They have a plan for everything, apparently. They have a monetary system in place. They have their scientific dictatorship in place with AI and all the modern surveillance infrastructure that has been installed around the world. And so, you know, they're ready to pounce at this point, especially with all these data centers being erected around our country. Unbelievable, not just in our country, but in the Mideast and Europe and China, everybody's into the data center construction right now. Why do we need all this horsepower for processing AI? It's not just so you can have a chat bot to be a friend. It’s not for that. This is about control of all the world at that point; all the financial transactions. Imagine the stock market feeding the B-system, if you will, the internet of things, the sensors in all the cities around the world. And now we have even the tracking and surveillance of all people in the world, especially in our countries, we‘re not immune to that as well. So you see, the superstructure has already been created to contain what's going to come out of the chaos. Interviewer: Yeah, that is true. And you put in this book, you mentioned all the AI developing plans and laws that have been brought out just last year, in Trump's first year. What is the most concerning to you or what would you say would be something we really should look out for? Patrick Wood: Well, the the ideology behind a lot of these tech bros, they call them in Washington, D.C., people like the David Sachs of the world and the Peter Thiels of the world, they're marching to a philosopher at this point by the name of Curtis Yarvin. He's not a philosopher, I have to say, but he's posing as one. And he's created a modern philosophy or ideology based on technocracy in the first place. But you can see lots of similarities. But he's created this philosophy that all the tech bros are following at this point. For one, he wants to create a monarchy, get rid of the president, the office of the president, create a monarchy. Turn all the powers of the state over to that person basically to be a dictator. That implies there would be no need for any political system. Your Congress would be neutered in that kind of a system. You might have a parliament kind of like the UK has a parliament, but they're not very effective to do anything. And he wants to subvert all the private property in the United States into the sovereign corporation, he calls it, the SovCorps. And the SovCorp will own all the property, and you won't own anything. This is kind of fulfilling what the the World Economic Forum said a few years ago. By 2030, you'll own nothing. You see, they really meant that, by the way, that wasn't just an idle speculation coming out of anybody's mouth at the WEF. But this has been the plan all along to subvert all the private assets out of the people's hands and into their hands. So this is really, this is crazy. This is not, this was not, what happened after Trump got in and inaugurated, this wasn't just broken promises. We've always had broken promises in the past. Every politician does it, right? Everybody understands there's always going to be broken promises. This is not that. What happened after the inauguration, the people, the populist movement especially, got gobsmacked with this nonsense, the dark enlightenment, Peter Thiel, Curtis Yarvin, Elon Musk, all these people who descended on Washington, D.C., to implement this otherworldly system that had nothing to do with Make America Great Again. This was a total betrayal of the populist movement. And in addition to that, all of the other Americans who were thinking different things, maybe even socialism or communism, who knows, but they were also betrayed because they never saw this coming either. And nobody asked them, nobody made any attempt to consult or get consent from the American people that this would be a good thing. Interviewer: Right, and I mean, I have a ton of follow-up questions, but just to latch on to what you said about the assets, they're taking, want to take everything, that we will own nothing and, as the World Economic Forum said, be happy. How does the tokenization of the assets play into that? I mean, what does a tokenized asset mean when you compare it to like your normal property? Patrick Wood: Well, this is a mechanism at this point where they can lift the value out of the assets of the world. For instance, your house, the real estate and the timber, the mineral rights, that sort of thing. The tokenization - let me just back up. We understand that the central banks of the world were creating central bank digital currencies. They were all in on it, and it was driven from the BIS down. Well, Trump it issued an executive order straight out of the box when he got in office to waive the Fed from doing any research on digital currency. Well, that set up the stage for the the privatization of a monetary system, created by people like Michael Kratius, especially David Sachs, the AI and crypto czar, and other people in Washington. They've created a financial system that includes the payment side of it. That's what the central bank used to do. But now they've created a parallel track to digitize assets, not debt, but assets. This tokenization, as it's called, can take, for instance, the Secretary of Commerce, Howard Lutnick, lusted over the 680 million acres that the United States owns, the federal government owns in America. That's all over 30% of our country, by the way. They shouldn't have it, but they do. So that's it. He lusted over that all that land that can be tokenized, if you will, and and put into a tradable asset that can be spread around the world to anybody who wants to buy it. And the title of that will be shattered into a thousand pieces. Somebody is going to have to control that property, but it won't be you and me. So when Larry Fink, the head of BlackRock said recently at the WEF meeting: „Anything that can be tokenized will be tokenized“. All the assets of the world, the rain-forest, the land in the United States, your property, the houses and the houses and other assets that have been collected by the “black rocks” of the world. This gives them way to make a tradable asset that will be splintered into a thousand million pieces, basically like shares in a stock. And where will those shares reside? Well, it could be in the hands of a sheikh in Saudi Arabia or a dictator in Russia or some other sovereign wealth fund around the world. Who knows where it's going to be traded? Maybe Black Rock will get all those tokens themselves. I don't know. But the point you and I won't have access to that, nor will we have the ability to control the property in the first place. So whoever's going to control the property, in fact - the property doesn't move, right? It's just there. A forest. It's just there in space and time. So if if somebody has traded all the value away and is scattered around the world, well, somebody has to come in and say: “well, we're going to harvest that timber now.” They're going to get the trees - [they’re going] to be felled and turned into lumber or whatever. Or that mine is going to be, we're going to get silver out of it or whatever. Who will that be at that point? Well, there's no representative, obviously, at the local level that can do that. It has to be the people at the top who control all of those shares in the first place. Interviewer: Right. And speaking of - say I own a house, I own a car. I bought it with my money and everything. Can that be tokenized because we have a national debt and I'm, a citizen and I have to come up for it? Or are we not yet at that stage? Or what do you think about that? Patrick Wood: We're not there yet, but I think we'll see when - … Probably the United States at some point will declare bankruptcy. I don't know how that's gonna look, but that's that's in the cards. Nations can declare bankruptcy. They've done it in the past, and so that would be no big deal for us to do that. But the idea will be to wipe the debt off the balance sheet. For the country, for the United States and for all the the people in our country who are in debt, that debt needs to be wiped out as well. In other words, all debt will be obliterated at some point. That will only leave us with assets at that point. So you might picture, for instance, if the 680 million acres get tokenized in our country, and that's in the hands of Black Rock, for instance, at that point to make that public distribution. You can imagine, you own a house worth of $500,000, you owe $250,000 on it and you have $250,000 in equity. I'll make you a deal. I'll buyout your equity for twice the value and tokens resulting from the the other assets being tokenized. You'll get these tokens and we'll wipe out your debt. We'll take that away from you. And then you can rent the house back from us at that point. And you can stay there and make your improvements if you want to, a long-term lease, if you will. And we'll own the property, you'll live in it, pay us rent, and you'll have, for instance, maybe $500,000 of tokens in your pocket. And you might think that's a good deal. For a lot of people, that's going to be a good deal. As a matter of fact, because there's a lot of people who can't get out of their house at this point. Because even if they have equity, they can't move because if they moved and had another house payment or a rent payment, it would be more, much more than they're paying right now. You can see this would be an easy swap for you to make a decision: “oh I'm going to get these tokens and then I'll rent and life will be good.” You'll be happy at that point. Interviewer: But there you got your digital currency and you’re controllable. Patrick Wood: Here’s the problem: What you’ve forfeit in that is the ability to ever own property again. Eventually, you're going to run out of tokens. That's just the way life is. You'll spend them up. You'll run out at some point. You'll have a job, of course, hopefully. And will you be able to replace that equity with your job at that point? No, you won't, because you won't have enough income to save ahead to get that kind of lump sum to maybe start a business or something, or do some other project, build another house or whatever. So basically the removal of debt might look good for some people. But the trade-off is the eradication of private property. Interviewer: And speaking of - that was a very good illustration. Thanks for that. And speaking about not having a job anymore, That's a reality for hundreds of thousands of people in the past years that are being laid off. Just this year, tens of thousands of people were kicked out of tech and big tech and all kinds of different branches of the job market. And in your book, you quote Curtis Yarvin, this thinker, this political theorist. And he writes: “our goal, in short, is a humane alternative to genocide. That is the ideal solution, achieves the same result as mass murder. So that means the removal of undesired elements from society, but without the moral stigma.” “And the best alternative I can think of is to virtualize the wards, meaning a virtualized human is in permanent solitary confinement in a cell that contains an immersive virtual reality interface, which allows him to experience a rich, fulfilling life.” Isn't that crazy? Who would listen to this guy in the first place? And who is listening to him is what interests me. And speaking of this theory. What’s the plan for all these unemployed people that are - the number is mounting? Patrick Wood: Well, you know, old Curtis, he got stuck on the Matrix movie. Basically, this is what the Matrix movie was all about. People being in a cell. They didn't know that they were in a cell. And they were given imaginary world to pretend, I guess. And it was a crazy theme for sure - plot. It had lots of holes in it. It couldn't be possible, but nevertheless, you can see Curtis Yarvin's thinking has been influenced by a movie like The Matrix. I think The Matrix finally had three movies, but the first one probably laid out what he was talking about. You're right. Who wants to listen to a nut cake like this? Aside from the concept of just virtualizing, when he talks about the humane alternative to genocide - … He says this is the ideal solution that achieves the same results as mass murder. So he's equating this to mass murder. And in parentheses, the removal of undesirable elements from society. Who is he saying are the undesirable elements of society? All the people who are unemployed perhaps? He doesn’t say. Interviewer: The useless class, as Mr. Harari would say. Patrick Wood: I know. And then he goes on to say: “but without any of the moral stigma.” So there's a moral conflict that he's just passing away: “Well, it's just like murder, but we don't have we don't have to be concerned about the moral stigma.” “Because we're not really going to kill him. We're just going to drive him insane and put him into a cell and just give him a wonderful life.” This is so patently insane to me that anybody would think this guy should speak for the whole - the tech sector especially. And I have to say, most of all of this these “tech bros” in Washington, D.C., they're all marching to his philosophy right now. However, there are plenty of people in Silicon Valley who do not go along with Curtis Yarvin, but they're not in power. That's the problem. So we can't say oh all tech bros in Washington or Silicon Valley believe Curtis Yarvin. Because they don't. But the people who have risen up to the top - all billionaires, by the way - I don't know any of them that are not a billionaire, like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Michael Kratius, all these people - are billionaires. They're the cream of the crop, and this is their philosophy. Interviewer: That's crazy. And speaking about the philosophy of the billionaires, You have a chapter in the book about Peter Thiel in particular, and at one point you emphasize about him, you have these 10 points of his philosophy, and one of them is: „monopolize everything“. Thats his guiding principle! And so my question to you is, how monopolized is big tech at this point? How much of a monopoly do you see? Do you have any practical examples of how that is playing out? Patrick Wood: Oh, absolutely. Look at Palantir, for instance. That's the company he founded, co-founded with Alex Karp. Both of them, by the way, are members of the Bilderberg's steering committee. That's huge for sure. But basically that's saying they're master globalists as well. But when you talk about Palantir - Palantir is eating the world right now. There's nobody even close to them, what they're doing with the surveillance software all around the world. They've captured the UK at this point, and the UK is just reeling right now that Palantir has taken over all their intelligence work. And they're doing the same thing in the United States, not only rolling up the data in Washington, D.C. that got sprung with a “DOGE” operation. Well, all the data was put into the cloud, all these various silos of data were put into the cloud. And then Trump issued a contract for Palantir to take all that information and turn it into actionable information. Then they've been in the military as well. They're the prime driver right now for AI in the military. So, look at them: well, they have the civilian side, they have the military side, what's left? Well, they have the intelligence side as well. And you have to remember Palantir started out as a CIA operation in the first place. When it was founded originally, it basically became the the outsourcing of the intelligence thrust at that point to make a total information system on everything and all the citizens in the country. That was TIA, Total Information Awareness Program. It was killed by Congress. The CIA wanted to do it. They said, no, you're not going to do that. So they killed it. And then along came Peter Thiel, who founded Palantir to take the mantle or the torch away from the government to privatize it all. So their first client was the CIA for several years, as they perfected their software according to the specifications that the CIA wanted to put in the software. So at this point, yes, he has a monopoly. There's nobody close. There's nobody going to be displacing him. And this is the essence of a monopoly. Interviewer: Yeah, and the critical point for me is when all this data that's been gathered of all the people is kind of linked to your identity so that they really know everything about you. They know where you are, and that in real time. And my question to you, how close are we to that point? Are we there already or what's the status? Patrick Wood: I see we're there in terms of the infrastructure. It hasn't all been activated yet, but the infrastructure has been erected, I think. Now, somebody could argue: “well, maybe there's a limit to these massive AI data centers. Maybe they have 2,000 now and they say, well, we have to have 3,000 before we can do this plan.” I don't know where that threshold would be - but at this point, they've been building these these things like crazy. They're pouring money into them that they can't they don't have to spend. Their money is pouring in from the Mideast as well, from Islamic sources to build our data centers and other venture capital money that's being sprung from all these other billionaires to build this infrastructure. Well, this is a control system, undoubtedly, that can manage all the information in society. And the purpose of collecting all this data in the first place and putting it into an AI software is so you can manipulate the object from which it was collected in the first place. Patrick Wood: That's the nature of data, right? You don't collect data to just put it in a shoe box. Interviewer: You want to influence the person. You want to know the person better than himself, have a personality profile, and be able to meddle with the population, right? Interviewer: That's interesting. And now we see this whole situation in Gaza unfolding, and interestingly enough, they're openly speaking about installing technocracy there, and many people see that as a bit of a - well, the whole Gaza situation from the get-go with the war, since October 7th and before that It was an open-air prison for a long time with massive surveillance - and they see it a bit as an example or a test balloon for the rest of the world. How do you see that? Is that kind of a bit of the local testing ground, this whole Gaza situation? Patrick Wood: Any place where there was conflict, and it wasn't just in Gaza, Ukraine was ah is a huge testing ground as well. Interviewer: Right. Patrick Wood: But anywhere there's been a conflict, a larger military conflict, especially one that drags on and on, there's certain hot spots in the world, like probably Nigeria one. you'll see um you'll see Palantir, for instance, testing its software or implementing its software because battle conditions are what's needed to test the software. So, you know, Interviewer: And now they're they're testing it with ICE, aren't they? i heard that ICE is using Palantir software and facial recognition. Patrick Wood: absolutely. Absolutely so. Interviewer: That's also Test Balloon, isn't it? Patrick Wood: Yeah, yes. I know. that that this is They're using it for identification, for targeting, for backout for for back back-end access to other systems. I saw a story just recently where ah a lady protesting ICE, her picture was taken by a smartphone well that had a special software. The ICE agent took - in other words - took her picture, face picture and she thought that was the end of it. Then she found out like a month later that she was, she would, had been removed from the, from „Clear“, ah what do you call it - the „Clear Program“, where she could, you know, get on an airplane without going through the general boarding line. And she - you know, there's a program…. Interviewer: Oh. Hm. Patrick Wood: I can't remember exactly what it's called, but it is „Clear“, I think. And you have to apply to that. So, they, get all your facial information and your bio-metrics and so on. And then you can go onto the airplane just by fast flashing your face, basically. Well, she was - she got kicked out of that program. So, okay, how did that happen? Well, there was a connection between the the time when the ICE agent took her picture until she was kicked out of that program. See, that - it's you know - that's a long reach, right? Interviewer: Wow. Patrick Wood: The TSA is a long ways from ICE, but nevertheless, Interviewer: They're connected, huh? Patrick Wood: yeah Yeah, exactly. Interviewer: Oh my. That's a crazy story. And I wonder how much more of that is going on. Have these facial recognition cameras come to Arizona as well? Patrick Wood: Oh, yes. There are lots of cameras. Not all of them do facial recognition for sure. Interviewer: Right. Patrick Wood: For instance, the the license plate plate readers in Arizona, there's lots of them. Interviewer: Oh, yeah. Patrick Wood: They're identifying your car; like making a fingerprint of your car you know, not just the license plate itself, but the dents and the bumper stickers; whatever you have on your car. They can put that - put that all together. And they say, well, you drive, a you know, 2012 Hyundai Sports car, Interviewer: Oh, interesting. Okay. Patrick Wood: … with, let‘s say pro-life stickers on the back of it or something like that, you know? And they can they can give your vehicle an imprint, a fingerprint, so to speak, that can be recognized elsewhere. Interviewer: Yeah. Patrick Wood: This is the type of surveillance system that can track your location everywhere you go. It doesn't matter where you go, even across state lines at this point. So... These systems are being put in place all over the place right now. Interviewer: Wow. Well, Patrick, we have to wrap it up soon, but I have two more questions, maybe the the second to last one. At the end of your book, you have this list of technocrats. It's just a short chapter with names. And what I found striking was that four of these people actually are Anduril executives and are now you know in government or very close to government. And what do you see coming there? And what does that mean for the future of warfare and for the future of executive power of a state? Anduril being this - right this autonomous killing machine company. Patrick Wood: I know: isn't it odd that they would be at the at the top of the pack. You know, yeah Anduril and Palantir are two peas in a pod for sure. And what can I say - you know this is a monopoly basically. And they're marching in lockstep. There's a close relation between both companies, and not not just management-wise, but the interoperation of their software. So, yeah, this is very, very disturbing for sure. Interviewer: Wow. Patrick Wood: Yeah. Interviewer: Well, you often speak about the term Omni-War. And so when I look at daily news, that term always pops to my mind because I think it's exactly what we're being presented with, right? Attacks and crazy developments from all sides. Now, if you if you would have to tell our audience or, you know, the population what would be the thing to focus on these days. Is there anything or you know what is a high priority to tackle or to look at in your opinion? Patrick Wood: Well, we're not going to stop this at a national level for sure. but it's trickled down to the local level. Interviewer: Yeah. Patrick Wood: And you - you have your hands on your local situation. You should, in any case. You have a city council where - these people live in your neighborhoods and they're accessible. You can get your hands on them. You can talk to them and convince them, don't let this garbage into our city. You can block, for instance, pre-crime software, the facial recognition cameras, the data centers. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Yep. Patrick Wood: All this stuff can be nixed out by your city council or your county supervisors if you're not in a city. And this is where our focus should be at this point: building a fire firewall around your community. Don't let this AI stuff consume you. Companies like Open-AI, Grok, they've all made special iterations of their AI programs for government. Interviewer: Right. Patrick Wood: Government, I'm thinking, what what was it? I think OpenAI is just called OpenAI. OpenAI.gov, I think, G-O-V. Interviewer: Yeah, Grok for government, I think. Patrick Wood: Well, they're selling this to the federal government. Interviewer: Yeah. Patrick Wood: They're lathering it all over the federal government. But, they said in the first place in their press release, they're going to also - going to market it to the states as well. Interviewer: Oh, OK. Patrick Wood: That means they're going to take it down to the city level at some point. You don't want to have your city having anything to do with Open-AI Gov for us or Grok Gov. This this can be blocked at the local level. Will they do it? Most probably won't. You know they‘ll say: Oh, that's wonderful stuff. We can be more efficient, blah, blah, blah. Interviewer: Sure. Patrick Wood: But you can take a stand now and head it off. Like they say in the old Western movies, you know: „Head them off at the pass“. So, this is where we should focus our attention at this point. Interviewer: Yeah, that's a good one. And, I mean the biggest argument, and that - so I see also in the company I work for, people are letting in AI because it it helps them, it's - you know, it saves them time to do tasks and stuff. What will be - I mean, what are the arguments against all of that? There are so many pros that that people look at when they say, hey, we need this AI for our city hall. Do you have any arguments that we can give people to to work with? Patrick Wood: Well, other than what we're just discussing right here, yeah there's so much information. I mean, even if you just have this information here, you have something to talk about. But there are so many angles here that - AI is just, it's infiltrating all aspects of society, at this point, and it's being used in business. People don't have a clue what's going on. Like when your insurance gets canceled on your car or your house, AI did that probably. And you'll never get an explanation why you got canceled. But they've figured that you're not a risk that they wanted to have anymore. And you'd be bounced out and you pay more somewhere else. At the hospital, your surgery will be approved probably by AI, not by a human, but by an AI program. And if it says you don't need that surgery or you don't need that test, you're not going to get it. But they'll never - they're not going to tell you at this point: „Well, AI made that decision for you“. Interviewer: So it's basically just time to resist. All out, not with us. Patrick Wood: Time to resist. Absolutely. Yes. Yeah. Interviewer: Okay. Yeah, I can encourage everybody to read this book. I mean, it's frightening, and it's the reality we're facing. And I really liked your message to confront our local governance with the reality we're facing, with the people behind it. And that's maybe the strongest weapon we have right now. And we just need to show our face and go out there, right? Patrick Wood: Yes. Exactly so. Yeah, don't be afraid to have your picture taken when you show your face. Interviewer: Right. Patrick Wood: They know - look, they know who you are already. Don't worry about it. you know If you're going to protest, just go out there and do it because they'll come for you either way. They know who you are. They know, they have a profile of you all over the place. So, you know, don't think you're going to be hiding out, if you will, by not showing your face. Interviewer: Right. Wonderful. Well, Patrick, thanks so much for this wonderful interview. And to close this off, where can people find your free of charge work and where can they find your book? Patrick Wood: You bet. Technocracy.news, the books are available there. But also there's on Amazon.com, you can buy single books there. And also the audio book, that's very popular right now. And the Kindle version as well is on Amazon. So if you want to get that, go to Amazon. If you want to just get the books themselves, technocracy.news. If you're outside of the United States, don't do that because of the the shipping is more than the book at this point overseas. So you you can go to Amazon and basically, you get the book in Australia, Europe, UK, Canada, from your local Amazon website. Interviewer: Wonderful, Patrick Wood, thanks so much for being on Kla.TV once again. Patrick Wood: Thank you.

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