Which Power Structures Rule the World? - Interview with David Icke from January ...
Are the lockdowns, the war in Ukraine, the new laws against misinformation and the new "Burden-Sharing-Act" in Germany all part of a bigger picture?
In this interview David Icke, who is well-known for making many predictions in world politics that have come true, connects some dots for us and shows the outcome of current world events. Buckle up and enjoy this interesting interview! Please note: This is only part 1 of the Interview! Part 2 will be published here next Saturday, January 28th.[continue reading]
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21.01.2023 | www.kla.tv/24827
Interviewer: We´re very honored today to speak with David Icke! David, thank you very much for agreeing to this interview today! Icke: Pleasure, Daniel! Interviewer: Well, I would guess that most of our viewers are familiar with you! For those who aren´t, we can do a very short bio. Maybe we should go straight to the Wikipedia page. What does Wikipedia say? Icke: That´s quite long, isn´t it? And a lot of it is inaccurate! Interviewer: Oh, absolutely! I was going to read the first sentence though. Icke: Well, go on then! Interviewer: It says, David Vaughan Icke is an English conspiracy theorist and a former footballer and sports broadcaster. Would you add anything to that? Icke: Well I´m not a conspiracy theorist! I´m a conspiracy researcher. And what is a conspiracy researcher? It´s someone who questions if authority is telling you the truth or not. That´s basically it! And of course conspiracy theorist came out of the CIA in terms of its widespread use in the 1960s, when they were trying to discredit people who didn’t believe that a bullet in the Kennedy assassination did U-turns. And so, it’s now being used and parroted as a metaphor for not telling the truth – misinformation, disinformation. And I’ll give you an example of that personally, because on November 6th I was supposed to speak in Amsterdam at a peace rally. And when it was announced that I was going to speak there a whole furore broke out, all manufactured of course, that I shouldn’t be allowed to go because I was an anti-Semitic, I was a holocaust denier and all of that stuff. And that kind of got the furore going among the “virtue-signaling” classes. All of it kind of nonsense course, but... Interviewer: Can I just interject? What in the world has Semitism or anti-Semitism have to do with an anti-war speech? Or is this something they’re just dragging out of your past? Icke: Oh, they are not dragging it out of my past. They’re dragging it out. Because if you have someone who is saying something you don’t want people to hear and it’s reasonable and factually supportable, then you don’t take them on for what they say, you invent what they’re not saying. Where I’m going with this in terms of conspiracy theorist is, eventually 24, no 48 hours before I was supposed to speak – in fact I was on the east-coast of England waiting to go through the channel tunnel to Amsterdam - the Dutch government announced that because I was a threat to society I was going to be banned not just from the Netherlands but from 25 other European countries and that means lots of other countries on top of that, because the Netherlands is in what they call the Schengen group of countries that share a common border policy so when you get banned, you get banned by them all. But other countries, including America, used the Schengen criteria for – well, they do it when it suits them - to stop other people coming into their country and it’s the same with other countries around the world. So I’m basically banned as I sit here from great tracts of the world. But where I’m going with this in terms of conspiracy theorist is that some wonderful people in the Netherlands, lawyers, they thought that this was appalling, was going on and so they challenged the government in court and what happened is – I took part in the court case – they wouldn’t even let me into the Netherlands to appear at the court case, I was such a danger. And the government lawyer dropped the whole claim about antisemitism and holocaust denial and all this stuff. Because he couldn’t stand it up. So what they did was say that I was anti-government and by being anti-government, i.e. saying the government is lying, which the Dutch government, like all governments, but particularly the Dutch government in many ways does by reflex action, that I was a threat to democracy. And then, this is the point, when the judge – quite obviously it was going to happen – gave his judgement, he said that the government was correct in banning me because it was clear that I was a conspiracy theorist. And so what we have now is a situation where, if you challenge the government in terms of it telling the truth, you are dubbed a conspiracy theorist and if you are a conspiracy theorist then you can be banned from 26 European countries. So this is where it’s going and this is why this whole thing about conspiracy theorist and conspiracy theory is so important because it’s becoming central to the justification for silencing dissent. So, even on that level, those opening lines of the Wikipedia page, make no sense whatsoever in terms of reality, but then again most of what’s on Wikipedia doesn’t. Interviewer: Yeah, I think it’s about time we just bury that term if we could. Because, I mean, why do we even have the word “conspire” in the English language? You know. If there is such a thing as conspiring, if people conspire, heaven forbid us theorizing about it, right? Icke: Yeah, and most of what people had described as a conspiracy theory, has with the passage of time, turned out to be true. Interviewer: Exactly! Icke: Of course, there were some conspiracy theories, where you’re saying: Well, looking at the evidence it looks as if it could be this, that’s the thing, okay. But a lot of it is actually provable fact from the evidence and through the passage – like I say - of the decades. So much that it was a conspiracy theory – more and more actually turns out be true. And that’s the reason they want to discredit it of course, if it wasn’t true then they wouldn’t have a problem with it. It’s the fact that it is true that they have a problem with. What we’re seeing, and this is society in general, is the way it’s structured: everything is inverted, everything is upside down. And there is no greater example of that than misinformation and disinformation being terms of abuse for people producing credible evidence. Delivered by people who are lying through their teeth 24 hours a day, even in their sleep probably. So we have to not worry about labels and get upset about labels. We just need to keep pounding out what we’re saying because, you know, in the end, the thing that gets people to look at other possibilities, more than anything else, is their own experience. And since the turn of the Covid era people’s experience has been that freedom has been deleted at an ever faster rate. And that’s the thing they’re terrified of. What I said decades ago was that the plan was – and this is why they introduced the many ways, the reasons for the internet. That eventually they wanted a situation where no-one would ever see or hear anything that wasn’t sanctioned by the government, I mean straight out “1984” [1984 = A dystopian novel written by George Orwell describing the life of a non-conformist in a totalitarian state]. And that’s where we’re going, I mean we’ve got a legislation going through the British parliament, called the “online safety bill” which is designed to further delete the very foundation of freedom of speech and similar laws are going through around the world. The reason that this is happening is – we come back to the core foundation of it all – is authority is lying to us, it’s lying to us on a scale perhaps never seen before in terms of volume. And because it’s lying it can’t stand the light of examinations. So the whole idea of censorship is to stop that examination. Interviewer: Yes, I don’t understand why this isn’t more obvious for everyone. Conspiracy theorist now means when you go to a court, when you have a court case in Holland and they say that the charge against you is that you’re anti-government. What constitution in the western world, or probably even in the world has it written that you can’t be anti-government? That’s outrageous! Icke: Yeah, and the thing is that, you know, we went to court with it and we’re going to continue with it, but we went to court with it, not thinking that we were going to win but probably knowing we weren’t, because it was obvious, this is the level of the way the system is stitched up now: that is the checks and balances of government authority, they’re just illusions. And so you knew that this district judge in the Netherlands wouldn’t dare go against the government. And so he made a ludicrous decision and judgement that because I was a quote “conspiracy theorist” it was justified that I was banned from 26 European countries. And he was far more okay with intelligent people seeing that as an outrage than ever he would have been with going against the government that employs him. And who he upsets, at his peril. So this is how this works, the whole system is stitched up. And I’m not saying every judge is corrupt, though a lot of them are, corrupt not necessarily in the sense of taking money, but corrupt in terms of moral corruption in that they would make decision based on what’s good for them rather than what’s good for justice. And that, I suggest, is what obviously happened in this case. This is the same all over the world, it’s the same with what you see with America. You know I was staggered when I first heard the term “the judge is a democrat” [Democrat = party member of the Democratic Party in the USA], “the judge is a republican” [Republican = party member of the Republican Party in the USA]. It’s like: what? What does it matter what the politics are? And why do we know anyway? What relevance is it? If you’re a judge in the proper sense of the word, you’re making decisions on the evidence, not on your political persuasion and once you have a situation as you so often do in America, that if it’s a democrat judge you know what the decision is going to be. Or if there’s a supreme court democrat-republican split, you know what the split is going to be. Well justice is gone, it’s finished, it’s over, it’s an illusion. And what we’ve been seeing decade by decade by decade is more and more of the sources of information, the sources of justice being occupied by what I call this “global cult” [Cult = a group having an exclusive ideology usually with ritual practices, symbolism and a strong devotion to a cause, agenda or being] which is ultimately behind world events and not the here today gone tomorrow politicians that we’re supposed to believe are behind world events, they’re the gophers [Gopher = used to describe a person who acts in subordination to a superior force], that’s all they are. Interviewer: Yeah, okay, you know, I think their next step will probably be: the antisemitism thing didn’t work. Arguing against the government – I hope that fails, but I think the next thing they are going to whip up is the age-old nugget, as we move further into this war, providing aid and comfort to the enemy: they don't want you talking against the war. Icke: No. And the thing is that they were actually bringing the terrorist law into this equation. And I’ll tell you something else too – which even surprised me. You know, I’ve been talking about the fact that ultimately behind this ‘in the shadows’ is a non-human force. I’ve been saying that for a very long time. And as the agenda for the world becomes more blatantly anti-human, a lot of more people are starting to say: “well hold on, he might not be quite so crazy!” But what was staggering to me was, in the judgement by the immigration department of the Netherlands that I shouldn’t be allowed in, the original judgement, that I got two days before the event, it included the fact that because I’m saying 'a non-human force is behind human events’ – then that’s another reason for me being banned because de-humanizing the fricking government. And as I said, why would I dehumanize the government when it’s doing it brilliantly (itself), without any help from me, by dehumanizing the population! Let’s not forget, this is the Dutch government headed by this “gopher”, World Economic Forum gopher [Gopher = used to describe a person who acts in subordination to a superior force], Mark Rutte [Mark Rutte = Prime Minister of the Netherlands], who is seeking to take away the land of three thousand Dutch farmers because of – quote – climate change policy. And given the Netherlands is by value the second biggest exporter of food in the world, how is that gonna work out for humanity? Because - so this network working through these politicians is dehumanizing humanity and now says, we’re gonna ban this guy because he is dehumanizing us. They’re doing it themselves, they don’t need my help. Interviewer: Right. I’d like to move on to the plandemic, if we can which seems to not have ended. It’s continuing on, raging still. Do we have enough forensic evidence to bring the perpetrators of the Covid scam to justice? What are some of the most damning pieces we have, what are some of the things we could bring out that they could not refute? Icke: Well, we did… we have already in terms of the fake vaccine. You know, it’s quite an eye-opener when you go in search of the truth. So you are willing to go where the evidence is, where the information takes you. And that’s what basically, what we call the alternative media, does, it’s looking for the truth, and I don’t always agree with it - agree that it’s found it - but I do with most of it. But it’s a sobering realization when you step out of that arena and you talk to people that just get their views from the mainstream media, how although fantastic numbers of people have died after having this jab, and had their health destroyed by it, how few people – because of the control of mainstream information – actually realize this is so. I've talked to people: (they say:) “I've had the jab.” - “Well, did you know this, did you know that?” - “No! I never knew that!” - What!? So, there is this massive divide between people that go looking for information, who scan the VAERS [VAERS = Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System of the US-Government] reports, the “yellow card” system, which is the same thing in Britain, and look at all the young people who are keeling over after having this jab that never were before - in the numbers that there are. You look at the excess deaths literally around the world now that have been triggered since the rollout in 2021, particularly 2021. And yet vast tracts of people have no idea that this is so. If that information was put before a public court and genuinely, properly reported, then enormous numbers of people in the system would be in jail. And, you know, this is the point when you are talking about a prosecution: there is unthinking stupidity, unquestioning stupidity where people like doctors and nurses and politicians and all that stuff, who should know better, their job is to be informed, but instead they just believe what ultimately if you go deeper in the rabbit hole, a handful of officials, people are telling them is reality – i.e. this jab will stop transmission … and so on. There is that level of stupidity where you just believe what you are told and you do it without question. Interviewer: I don’t know if I’d call it stupidity or willful ignorance. But the result is the same, right? Icke: Yeah, well stupidity or willful ignorance: basically if you take what authority tells you without question, you are choosing to be ignorant. That’s … it’s a choice. So, you have that level, but this is the “but” now. There is evidence galore that has come out - not the least through peoples personal experience. Well, there was a poll recently in which, you know, an enormous percentage of American people believe that they knew someone who had been health damaged by the jab or killed by the jab. That was personal experience of their eyes and their daily interactions and what they are being told is completely different. This is where I am going with this. The evidence now is there. They know the carnage and fatalities this has caused and yet they are still going on, telling people to have the jab. You see by the dramatic drops in people who are doing that how increasingly personal experience and maybe looking at other evidence outside the mainstream is starting to impact on their actions rather than just unquestionably believe in government. But if you know and they do, this ignorance is no longer a defense. If you know what has happened and you are still pushing it, that is not ignorance, that is psychopathy. And you know one of the hardest things it’s been to get across in these last 30, 33 years now nearly, that I have been doing this, is the scale of evil that we are dealing with. Evil for me, my definition of evil is the absence of love. And that includes as if you look at the, what is called the Hare test, named after the guy who developed it. The Hare test of psychopathy. If you have enough of these Hare test traits, you become officially a psychopath. The top two are lack of empathy and lack of compassion. And they are manifestations of a lack of love. And they manifest then as what we call evil. And if you have a lack of empathy, the ability to put yourself in the feelings and the experience of what you are making them feel and experience. You can’t put yourself there and therefore empathize with the impact you are having on them, then you have no limits. There are no limits anymore. Because you have no emotional consequence, so you know: Empathy, for me anyway, is the fail-safe mechanism of human behavior. If you have empathy that limits your actions because you have an emotional consequence for what you are doing to people. I would just say to anyone that’s still saying they would never do that. Imagine if you didn’t have that fail-safe empathetic ability. And there was no emotional consequence for you no matter what you did, i. e. stream-levels of psychopathy. It would mean that not only would they not never do that. They would get off on doing that. This is what is happening with these people. So, this difficulty that people have in imagining the scale of evil we are dealing with means that when it is pointed out you get: Oh no, they would never do that. No one would do that. No, you wouldn’t do that! They would. They are! Interviewer: Right! Yeah. We fail to put ourselves in their psychotic mind. Icke: Yeah. Interviewer: Speaking of empathy. I remember when I was a little kid there was this radio show in America called “CBS Mystery Theater” and there was one show that was really good, it was called “The Chinaman Button”. Have you ever heard of it? Icke: No, I have never heard of that. What was that? Interviewer: It was some, I don’t know how it happened. But like in this story an American or a Brit would push a button and you become a millionaire. But some Chinaman somewhere would die. And so it was a test of your empathy. I think our rulers today, they are the “Chinaman Button” all the time. They have no empathy. Icke: There is an interesting addition to that. You have probably seen it where they did this experiment on how people would do what they are told just because someone in authority told them. Interviewer: Yes, the Milgram experiments. Icke: Yeah. When, you know, you press this button and you hear someone scream. Someone is in a white coat telling them to do it and they do it, you know? Interviewer: They go all the way to the death zone in the electric shock. Crazy! Icke: Yeah. But, it is interesting that we got into this because if you put those two mentalities together you have the reason why a few control the world. You have got the few – it is not as few as people think, mind – I read that the number of psychopaths in the world is about 4 %. I mean you are joking. It is much bigger than that. But it is not anything like the majority of course. So you have the psychopathic mentality which has no empathy and just does what it wants without consequences emotionally. And then you have - and they press “The China Button” - Interviewer: Yeah. Icke: -and then you have those, the vast majority, they are fewer now than they were, but they are still the majority, who will do what authority tells them, just because authority tells them and you put those two mentalities together and that’s how throughout human history a few have always controlled the many. Interviewer: Yes, yes. David, you mentioned how people who are looking for information and want to find out stuff, have one mind frame and then the other people who don't want to know anything about it have another and people like you and I are surprised about how much people don’t know. But then you mentioned athletes dropping down …and there are a lot of blokes in the pubs watching the soccer games and I’m sure you know the case of Damar Hamlin, the NFL quarterback who just dropped down the other day. When people see that – I mean you’re talking (about) tens of millions of people live watching that, get hit, stands up, adjust his helmet, fall straight backward, that’s just like the soccer players, just like the basketball players. Are you familiar with the concept of crime stop – the Orwellian concept of crime stop where you train your mind not to think wrong thoughts. I wonder if that’s going on in the mind of the people in the stadium and at home. When they see this, they’re like: “Ok, something is going on here but I know what I’m not supposed to think – I’m going to be a crazy conspiracy theorist if I think there is any connection with the vaccine”... I think people are really engaging in this crime stop. Icke: Yeah, and I think, you are right – and I think there is another motivation, which is because of the enormous number of people who took the fake vaccine - it’s not really a vaccine, by previous criteria. They have an investment in 'what it’s doing' not being 'what it’s doing'. So that’s another incentive to dismiss – basically it’s a version of ‘change the subject - don't wanna talk about it’. I don’t want to face it. You know, you’ve raised an important area, because as I said earlier, it’s extraordinary to meet people who after all this time and all this evidence has come to light, have no idea that this evidence exists or what is happening is happening. But because of the mainstream media has shut it down, because the mainstream media is controlled by this cult, just like Silicon Valley. But where the Achilles heel is, is the professional sports people. Because they’re doing it, often live, but they’re doing it in the public eye and you can’t hide that because when a footballer or a hockey player or a basketball player drops and collapses, it’s reported, it has to be reported. They’ll hide why it’s happened, but they will report it. And the numbers have just gone through the roof since the rollout of the fake vaccine. And that is one area that they’ve not been able to cover-up - cover-up the cause, but not the actual happening – and that has awakened a lot of people. And, you know, what people might just ponder on who are in any way new to this, is: Could it be that only professional sports people are having these consequences? No! Of course not. Oh, you know we’ve got this jab and it only kills and maims professional sports people. No, of course not. But that’s just an area they can’t cover up. So, what the hell else is happening in the body of the population. And answer: the same! But, you know, I completely understand this. I really do. But if you’ve had two, three, four fake vaccines and you start to see what’s happening to people who have had it, that wasn’t happening before in the same number, then of course you have this investment in just shutting it down and explaining it away. Because this is another point that we are talking about – the difference between what is done in the alternative media and what is done in the mainstream media and authority – it’s a very very powerful point. And, I’ve experienced this so many times, telling people what they want to hear is the easiest thing in the bloody world. Easiest thing in the world because their door is already swinging. He wants to think that what you’re telling them is true. You talk to professional sales people. You know, they are trained to glean in conversations with their potential clients what the client thinks and how they see life cause then they start agreeing with them or saying things like, oh, we are like you, I agree with you – and all this stuff and you get this thing going between them. It helps just sell your product. So, telling people what they want to hear is the easiest thing in the world. Telling people what they don’t want to hear is the trick because they absolutely are far from the door swinging open, it’s rammed shut with a lock on. It doesn’t want to believe it’s true. And so that’s the challenge. And so when authority comes along and says, oh no, all these – have you seen the excuses, they are coming up with for all these young people having heart defects? Oh dear, it’s unbelievable – the absurdity that they are coming out within their desperation. Interviewer: It’s Commotio cordis. [Commotio Cordis = a rare type of disruption of heart rhythm that occurs as a result of a blow to the area directly over the heart] Icke: Yeah, if your door is swinging open, you really don’t want, cause you’ve had the jabs, you really don’t want to face the possibilities. Then the absurd you will believe because it’s what you want to hear. And, you know, you get this too - interestingly in the alternative media, in some areas, where some people come up with a sense of what is and want to believe it’s true. And then, when you challenge that maybe it’s not true, you know, you get attacked by people in the alternative arena, too. And, you know, I’ve had this one currently and I have had one before. Because I didn’t buy the Trump hype and I absolutely don’t buy the Elon Musk hype. And the thing is, of course, people would love to believe that this guy is coming forward and he is saying all the right things and he wants to challenge the tyranny – i.e. Trump – and it’s great to believe that this guy Musk is coming forward and he is really a free speech absolutist and he is not another agenda in the background. But if we are going to question mainstream society, we have to question everything and see if it stands up to scrutiny. And again, because you don’t want to believe that it’s not what it seems to be you get pushback. But, you know, if you’re really in for the long haul, and if you are really into it completely in terms of seeking out the truth, whatever it is, then you do what you think is necessary and right and not what you think is going to make you lots of friends. That’s the last thing you need to do if you want the truth. Interviewer: Yes, absolutely. I would like to talk briefly about Elon Musk a little later. I want to finish up with the Covid Plandemic stuff – you know, when you say that people have this – they have these reasons why they do not want to acknowledge what’s going on – it’s funny they must be experiencing a little bit of cognitive dissonance because as you’ve said, the uptake on the boosters, the first, second, and another third booster is way way low. And so their actions speak louder than their unwillingness to talk about. Like they don’t want to talk about it because they don’t want to acknowledge it. But in their actions they are showing you, maybe subconsciously, yeah you guys might be right, I’m going to be careful here. Icke: Yeah, and that’s a great thing, like I say… if you try to understand why people do things you’ve got to put yourself into their position. And I completely understand why jabbed people don’t want to know what’s happening to other jabbed people. I completely understand that. Yes, you are absolutely right. Although they might not buy it openly, they might not even buy it personally, they’re not going to have any more. And so, you know in so many ways, apart from the ones that you’ll never, this side of the other side, persuade that authority is lying to them, apart from them, we have pretty much won the argument in terms of the jab, in terms of their action, if not their open acceptance that they’ve been scammed. Interviewer: Yes, that’s right. I imagine from now on there is not going be too many NFL Players getting further boosters. And an interesting anecdote from that game where Damar Hamlin went down. The first story out of the news was, “well, the officials considered it wise, prudent to stop the game.” They never did that in the history of NFL football. You’ve heard about American football games, there always is an ambulance at the side of the road…because it’s – there’s concussions, all kind of things happening all the time. And then the game goes on. And so that is what they said happened. But I read something, okay it was in the comments, so I can’t corroborate, so I don’t know if it is true, but I read something that said: the players refused to go back and play. And that seemed to make sense to me. Because the star player on the Buffalo Bills, a guy named Josh – I don’t know his last name – he and a star wide-receiver were the only two to not get the jab. I mean the quarterback is the captain of the team. So I wonder if they got together and said, we’re not getting back on that field. Icke: Yeah, well, you know, this whole thing about having the jab and not having the jab was a real – it was a parting of the ways, if you like between people who really think for themselves and stand by what they believe – and those that will be swayed either by unthinkingly unquestioning whatever the authority tells them or so many others, so many others, maybe even the majority actually, who had the jab because they didn’t want the consequences of not having the jab. And those that stood by their belief, that no, I am very skeptical about this, I’m not having it, they are the ones now who are benefitting from the fact they haven’t had it. And there has been almost a kind of a turnaround because those that weren’t having it, of course that was me included, you included I’m sure. They were attacked, lambasted, demonized, accused of killing people and all that stuff. And one of the big pivotal times I think anyway certainly in Europe, I’m sure, it permeated to America big time as well was when at the European Parliament before Christmas a Dutch member of the European Parliament asked the Pfizer official about their trials to see if the fake vaccine stopped transmission and it turned out that she admitted that those trials were never done. They had no idea if it stopped transmission. So what they were doing was lying to us and imposing it upon people through consequences with jobs and what. And this includes people in sport of course – on the basis of “it would stop transmission and you’re putting other people in danger”, when Pfizer had never done any trials to see if that was the case. Because the jab has nothing to do with health. It has to do with much deeper agendas, much more sinister, dark and demonic agendas actually. And that got a lot of people very angry, certainly in Europe. When they thought the very reason for me having it, I’m being told, that was the reason, turns out to be not only not true but, many even test for it so they knew it wasn’t true but they told us it was. And, you know, if people just let that sink in, two things, one: they told you to have the jab, and give you consequences for not having it – on the basis of something they knew wasn’t true. And they have seen the consequences of people having the jab on the basis of something that wasn’t true, and yet they are still telling you to have it. Now, just let that sink in. And ponder on the scale of psychopathy – and pure evil it takes to do those two things together because that’s what authority has done. And you know, the jails don’t exist really to encompass the number of people that should be in them for the rest of their lives, not these people like Bill Gates who knowingly lied on a global scale for an agenda that’s deeply dark and sinister. And that man should not only be in jail, he should be forced to reincarnate endless times to complete the bloody sentence. Interviewer: What should he be forced to reincarnate as? Icke: Well, as someone once said in a comedy show, knowing my luck with my life if there is such a thing as reincarnation I will come in back as myself. So I think the worst possible reincarnation for Bill Gates is coming back over and over as Bill Gates. Waking up every morning and realizing you are still Bill Gates that must be the worst nightmare surely. Interviewer: Right! Well, to kind of finish up on the Covid part. So, we have the evidence. We have got the forensic evidence. It´s slam-dunk. If it was presented in a court, I mean it would be a win. Now, we´re not about to be allowed the keys to the doors of The Hague [The Hague = meaning the International Court of Justice seated in The Hague, Netherlands], Supreme Court is not going to let this one get in. The authorities don´t want to hear it. What sort of public venue, how should we go about this if we can´t get in in via the normal means. I mean should we go with the semi normal means? Should we go to the Oxford Student Union and have a debate? Where would you bring this thing to the public, so it´s not just on Bitchute and on Odysee, and I won´t even say Youtube, because it won´t be there. Icke: No, it won´t be there, no. But what you have to do, first of all, the censorship is not an expression of power. It´s an expression of vulnerability. Interviewer: Yes! Icke: Because I don´t want to censor anyone. I am quite happy for what I´m saying to be openly debated and other people to have a different opinion. Because I am confident that I can support what I´m saying. Those that can´t support what they´re saying, and this cult and all of its global expressions knows it can’t. They have to censor alternative views and opinion and evidence because they know it will demolish their own. So, first of all, they´re not coming to censorship from a situation of strength, but of weakness. And the fact that they’re upping the ante [upping the ante = betting more on sth. / or raising the level of sth.] constantly on the censorship means they´re getting more and more concerned about how many people are starting to awaken to what’s actually happening. Maybe not the whole big picture, but levels of it. Enough to … for the panic to drop with people that the forces that are controlling the world are not the ones that they see and they are told to believe. But in terms of politics, and that road, it’s really stitched up. I give you an example from this country, in Britain. We have a conservative government, the equivalent to your Republicans really that oversaw the Covid debacle catastrophe. That brought in the fake vaccine. The opposition parties, called the Labour Party – your equivalent of the Democrats. And they said not that the Conservative Party Policy was fascist which it was, but it wasn’t fascist enough. So, when this Conservative Government, now this guy Rishi Sunak, another World Economic Forum gopher is removed at some point, it will have to be replaced by the Labour Party. And the Labour Party will do everything to Britain that the Democrats are doing to America. Same policies everything. So, in terms of political choice, it’s not there. And the penny drops when you realize that politics is not there to change it. Politics is there to perpetuate what needs to be changed. And so if you look at the days when royalty ruled everything, and there is a reason why that was too, you had one king or one queen imposing their will on the population via the gophers in the armies etc. And then when humanity rejected that, because that was really in your face, obviously the few controlling the many. Interviewer: Yeah, the people knew where to point the blame. Icke: They could see that they were under the control of a monarch. So eventually you had this movement from monarchy to, well we still got it in this country staggeringly, to politics. And so, this cult which goes way back had to find a way of replacing the monarchy control in your face with a form of control that appeared to give power to the people but actually didn’t. And so they came up with this structure of political parties. And so this is how it works. Political parties is normally two, sometimes three, but normally two in America’s classic example – that have any chance of forming a government. And they are hierarchies, they are pyramids. And when you enter the pyramid if you are going progress up the pyramid, then you have to be in line with what the hierarchy of the pyramid, the party, wants you to be. So if you go along, say you want to run as member of Parliament in Britain, you go along the local constituency party and you have to sell yourself to them. And you sell yourself by repeating what the hierarchy party wants you to believe and wants you to be. And then as you get in, if you want to be rebellious, and go against the party line, well that’s okay, for as long as you survive, but you are not going to get into government, you are not going get into the hierarchy of the party. If you are going to get into the hierarchy of the party then what you need to do is stay in line with what the hierarchy of the party wants you to be – and the hierarchy of the party is a very few people. And this happens with both the governing party and the opposition party. And the key thing to understand politics, is when you get to the peak of these two pyramids, where these parties are apparently in opposition, the next stage this goes… takes you into the shadows, they both answer to the same masters. And so, if you look at the American example, you have this guy, is his name Mitch McConnell? [Mitch McConnell = Minority Leader in the US-Senate, Member of the Republican Party] The so-called Republican who is absolutely in line with the Democratic policies because the hierarchies are answering to the same Master. Within the Republican party in America, you’ll get rebels – but rebels in the ranking file of the Capital Hill if you like, you won’t get rebels at the top of the hierarchy. And it's the non-rebels that usually get into those positions of power. We have just got another one with McCarthy [Kevin McCarthy = current Speaker of the US House of Representatives, Member of the Republican Party] in the house who again, he is a Republicrat, really. Interviewer: …oh, they forced him to make all kinds of concessions. Icke: Oh, that’s the great thing that someone or a few people had the backbone as well as the perception to think we have got a chance here of getting something out of the situation and not just going rubberstamping the party-line. Now this is a fantastic metaphor for the whole of the system and the population in general in terms of what we can do and where we can go. It depends how badly you want it. Now you know those people that stood up and said we are not going to vote for McCarthy for speaker of the house without concessions they knew they would kind of get demonized – they did by idiots. And they knew they were going to be very unpopular but they did it anyway. And that is what you have to do! If you don’t, if you just put your head down and think ‘I don’t agree with this what are the consequences for me of saying it or doing something about it… Then all you do is you allow the psychopaths to prevail, that is how it happens. So if you look at politics in the way I have described it’s basically a form of monarchy but it’s a hidden form of monarchy. Where it’s not quite so obvious. So they tell you that you have the power because you can decide who to vote for every four years or five years or whatever it is. But actually you are voting for masks on the same face. That’s what you’re voting for, with honorable exceptions. And what we are seeing right now, and I was staggered I have to say, when I first came to America and electronic voting was coming in and thought ‘Excuse me, electronic voting?!’ How would you ever know? And so, it’s very… I mean, you are not supposed to question the last election that Biden was elected. I mean what it the most obviously blatantly scammed election that I have ever seen? And so what they are doing now is they are going on to this next level whereby they are not only manipulating who they want in power by manipulating public perception. They are actually scamming the elections. So the people that were really – people like Kari Lake [Kari Lake = Republican candidate for governor of Arizona, USA in the 2022 elections] in Arizona for instance and others who were standing up for what they believed to be right and would push back in office on this whole woke cult - actually agenda – they were targeted not just by the Democrats, they were targeted by their own party, people like Mitch McConnell in terms of funding and everything. Because it’s a one-party state all around the world but we have to think it’s a two-party state or we’d realize it’s just another tyranny that has replaced the monarchy tyranny. And so the question comes: If we are going to do something about what’s going on, instead of looking to politics we need to look at the calculator. We need to see 8 billion people being imposed upon in the direction of their world and lives being dictated by a literal - compared with the 8 billion - handful of people. That’s how it’s possible – it’s why it’s been possible throughout human history. Why is it possible? Because of the acquiescence of the billions in this case to the few. And throughout human history the few have controlled the many because the many have acquiesced to the few and obeyed the few, done what the few told them. Or not wanting to do it but fear the consequences of not doing it so they do it anyway. That’s how the whole thing has worked. The conspiracy would come crashing down if people A) stopped not questioning authority and insisted that everything authority tells them questioned and justified by the evidence … If they grew a backbone and said: When I see it’s not right, I’m not going to do it. And they would then join the third group that has ended every tyranny in history and they are the truly renegade people who see they’re being lied to and refuse to cooperate with the authority that is lying to them. Interviewer: Yeah, I thought we might transition into a new area. Kla.TV is a Swiss-German organization and the majority of our listeners will be German speakers and I think they are going to be really interested in your opinion on a new matter coming up. Speaking of the issue of debt restructuring, in Germany there is a new Act coming up called the ‘Burden Sharing Act’. It comes into force on January, 1st 2024 and the idea is that the deficits that they have run up are so high… During Covid era … all the spending that has been going on during the Covid era – they are going to have to pay the bill and so in this debt restructuring act they are going to put it right on the people and it’s going to become a massive tax. And I mean it threatens to bankrupt all kinds of people. I guess in the States we are doing it a little bit different way, we just debase our money we just spend, spend, spend. But in Germany apparently it’s just going to be a direct tax for all the debts that they have incurred. And my team sent me a note and said: In short, we are heading for a total dispossession analogous to Klaus Schwab’s Great Reset ‘You will own nothing and be happy’. I’d like to hear your comment on this one. Icke: Well, I have a phrase I’ve used for decades: Know the outcome and you will see the journey. If you don’t know the outcome that’s planned then daily events, including things like this, seem to be random and unconnected to everything else – when actually they are not random and they are connected to everything else. So let’s look at the outcome: I’ve been describing for decades now the structure of society that’s planned for us if we go on going as we are and I’ve called it “The Hunger Games society”. And I called it something else before but when the Hunger Games movies came out, they so symbolized that society that they gave it the name. So if you look at the Hunger Games society structure, you have people in the so called capitol as they call it in absolute high-tech luxury and the rest of society was not only in poverty, and servitude, serving the interests of the few, they were broken up into sectors and the different sectors weren’t allowed to interact with the other sectors. Compartmentalization of that population. And so how do you bring about that situation? Well, to have the tiny few in a situation of dependency, or to have the masses in a situation of dependency on the tiny few, thus controlled. Dependency means controlled. Then you have to destroy the livelihoods and the access to an independent income of the population. And the structure of this Hunger Games society, see if you can recognize it emerging, looks like this: At the top you have got the less than 1% actually who control the wealth, the resources and access to resources. They control the access to food, they control access to all the basics of human survival. At the bottom of this “hunger games” pyramid is basically the rest of the population in servitude and dependent upon, for the basics of survival, on the tiny few at the top. And in between is planned to be a fusion eventually of the police and the military into a police-military state to A) impose the will of the few upon the many and to stop the many rebelling against the few. So lets look at recent history on that basis and what you have just described in Germany. The lockdowns were designed to target small and medium-sized business, even bigger business that it not owned by the cult. The fantastic Cult-owned corporations like Amazon and Facebook and all the rest, they did very well of course during the period of lockdown. But a lot of businesses went out of business and a lot more since. So you created a situation of dependency because you are destroying small business and you are destroying access to employment in small business. You are creating the dependency. What you do then is you follow an extraordinary hoax called human caused climate change. And you say that you are going to replace fossil fuels with so-called renewables like wind power, solar power. You know you can’t do that. Interviewer: Don’t forget to include electric cars that run on… fossil fuels. Icke: Yeah exactly! I just spoke with someone the other day, it was all about electric cars, and I asked: What do you think produces the electricity you put in your car? But this is the scale of perceptual manipulation that people don’t relate electricity – they’ll relate electricity in their house to fossil fuels, “you’ve got to lower your use of electricity to save the world from climate change.” But they won’t relate it to putting electricity into their car. I mean this is the scale of perceptual manipulation. In the end that’s what it is: perceptual manipulation is the foundation of the whole thing. o, you artificially through your climate change policies, inflate the cost of energy. You then, as Biden has done, you shut done pipelines and you target fossil fuels so that you, again, push up the cost of energy by affecting the supply. Interviewer: Excuse me, you not only shut down pipelines, you blow up pipelines. Icke: Oh yeah, as I’m coming to, yes, exactly, what you do is you then start a war in Ukraine and when Europe is potentially getting natural gas from Russia via a pipeline. You don’t want Europe getting natural gas, you want the hunger game society, you want the price of energy to be enormous. As big as you can make it because when you increase the price of energy you increase the price of everything because everything at some point needs energy to be produced and transported. At the same time you use lockdown to dismantle the world food production chain. Because when you control food you control people. When you control access to food you control people. So we now have Bill Gates, here he is again, as the biggest owner of farmland in America and you have the world economic forum controlled Mark Rutte in the Netherlands, targeting 3000 Dutch farmers to destroy their means of production in the second biggest exporter of food in the world. So all this is connected and it's connected to creating dependency. And what they want to do is create a situation where people have no ability to provide for themselves because you’re dismantling that ability – systematically. And then they want to come forward, it’s already happening. And they say the only way of sorting this out is to have a guaranteed income, where we’ll give you a certain amount of money – it’ll be a pittance – every month for the basics of life. But if you want to challenge the government and you want to have a different view of what’s going on, well, you’re not going to have your guaranteed income. And by the way, where else are you going to get it? Because we have dismantled your ability to earn a living. Add to that that AI is taking more and more jobs normally done by people. And you’ve got this situation where people are going to not be able to earn a living and become what? 100% totally dependent for anything upon authority which will demand total compliance. So if you’re going to, not just target the poor, not just target what we call in Britain the working classes, you’re going to target every element of society that is not connected to your cult, which is the vast majority, overwhelmingly vast majority then you’ve also not only going to have to stop them earning a living. Those that already have accumulated wealth, you’ve got to get rid of that as well. And so this thing in Germany, what has happened all over the world, and again, once people get: know the outcome and you’ll see the journey: these things all connect quite demonstrably. The reason that, if you wanted money before Covid, the Covid hoax, for things that deserved it, it was, “oh no, no, well, you know, we’d like to do it but there is not the money to do it.” Always money for wars of course but, no there is not money for this, not money for the homeless, not money for this, not money for that. But once the Covid hoax was played, money was no object in the response to Covid. Anywhere in the world, everyone was throwing money at it. Unbelievable amounts of money. Why? Because another way of destroying the economy and people’s independent access to a livelihood is to send inflation through the roof. Anyone who has got money in the bank, that’s getting less and less in terms of its value all the time because of inflation and anyone on a fixed income like a pensioner or whatever, the same thing is happening to them. You’re crushing the population with these means. So what they’re now doing – and we have a prime minister in Britain, called Rishi Sunak who was chancellor of the exchequer in charge of the finances of the country who handed out all these massive checks during the Covid era. In the way that other countries did. And he is now the Prime Minister saying oh no we have got to have economic pain for the population because of the impact what I did. Now he didn’t say that of course. And this is happening everywhere. And what you described in Germany is a classic example of what is happening everywhere. So you create the problem and then you offer the solution which is to devastate the population economically to advance your agenda toward the Hunger Games society. So all these things are connected. And what they want – and they are all talking about it, and when they all talk about it like a choir all around the world, these so-called world leaders, you know it’s the agenda being described. They want to get rid of cash. I wrote a book in 1992 called the “Robots Rebellion”. And in there I said the plan is to get rid of cash and only haven an electronic currency that would be global. And what they are seeking to do now is have this digital currency which allows them to control everything. You have not got your own cash you can’t have a cash economy because that’s gone, you can’t use cash anymore. And again Covid is the scam that keeps on giving, if you remember: virtually immediately the Covid hoax was played, Tedros [Tedros Ghebreyesus = Director General of the World Health Organization] at the World Health Organization, who is just a gopher for Gates who is a gopher for the Rockefellers who are gophers for the cult – he said you could catch Covid from Interviewer: touching cash Icke: money, yeah. Now that had of course nothing to do with health, it was a scam to get rid of cash. And you know, very soon after that was going on Railway stations with little wooden kiosks for a coffee, where you just hand them cash, they didn’t really want anything else just cash. And they were saying were only taking cards now. For cups of coffee! Because of the fear of getting Covid off the money. Of course it was a nonsense, it was a lie, they are all lies. Now they want rid of cash, that’s why all the ATMs are coming out, that’s why the bank branches are shutting down, so that everything moves online, everything moves digitally. Because then they have got complete control of your money. And what the plan is, it’s already happening in places like China, is if you for instance go jaywalking and you are picked up by one of these cameras that can identify you, this is what the AI plan is all about, then the fine is just taken out of your account. That’s where this is planned to go. They can basically wipe your access to money – if you are a dissident of the system and if you are challenging the system, the idea is that they can just shut your account down. And it people say no, that is far-fetched – Hello! Justin Trudeau, Truckers, Canada. [Watch our Interview with Ottawa local Hugh Hunter explaining the Truckers situation: www.kla.tv/21654] You know what happened. And that was just a precursor to what is planned everywhere. So this situation in Germany fits absolutely this agenda that I just outlined because it’s targeting the ability of the population to survive and pay its bills. Because the idea is that that is not supposed to happen. You are not supposed to have the ability to live your life and pay your bills but instead be completely dependent on the government for your very survival. This is the plan. And if we go on just standing and watching it, then it will happen. But it doesn’t have to. 8 billion cannot be controlled by a handful unless the 8 billion acquiesce the handful. End of story. Interviewer: That’s right, David, and you often finish your videos with ‘Okay, let’s get up and do something about this!’ One of my favorite Substack blogs [Substack = an internet-platform where writers can publish directly to their audience. It has not yet censored dissenting voices] is a guy who finishes every post with ‘Do not comply’. So let’s take about solutions. I want to know what does it mean practically speaking in your mind ‘Do not comply’? Icke: Well, if something is clearly being done to enslave you in any shape or form then you don’t do it. You know, they came out in this country in the spring of 2020 and they said: You have got to social-distance, only go out for an hour a day, and you have got to wear, eventually, as the summer unfolded, you have got to wear a face nappy, a face diaper anywhere you go at one point. And you can’t travel. So I didn’t do any of it. I didn’t social-distance. If anyone wanted to run away from me in the street, it’s their choice. But I wasn’t frightened of them so I wasn’t going to do that. I went out whenever I chose. I travelled, I went to massive rallies in London and I’ve never worn a face nappy and I never will, I’ll die first. So imagine if, there are what 60 odd million people in the British Isles, imagine if even a quarter of them did the same and then always refused to do any of these things because they were obviously nonsense and they were obviously a scam and made no sense, then it wouldn’t have been enforceable. Interviewer: That’s right. It wouldn’t even take a quarter, I have heard it takes something between 13 – 20 %. Icke: Yeah. Here’s a great example. When the British government first introduced lockdown, there was a handful of people who went out protesting. And because there was a handful, in moved the police and arrested them. By August of 2020, there were 35 – 40,000 people in Trafalgar Square. I spoke there myself. So many people, they couldn’t stop it happening. Then another 40 or 45,000 people turned up for the next one. And by the spring of 2021, there were so many people on these marches through London, I mean hundreds of thousands, the police, that were just moving in and arresting the original protesters at the start. They were just standing on the side of the street watching us walk past. Because there were so many people saying ‘We are not complying’, there was nothing authority could do about it. And that is such a metaphor for what I am talking about. And to stop that, they have to divide and rule the population and get great tracks of the population to attack and demonize and condemn those who are seeking to protect the freedom of the population. This is why there has been the focus on these so called anti-vaxxers, Covid-deniers and all this stuff. Because if we come together in any kind of number - and you are right, it is nothing like the majority, I mean, if we are waiting for the majority, we are waiting forever, frankly. But it’s nothing like the majority, but it just needs a vast number of people in each country who are just saying: ‘No, we are not doing it anymore, we are not complying with our own enslavement. If someone comes out of the White House, or Downing Street [Downing Street = Official residence and offices of the British Prime Minister and other Government officials] and says “we’ve had a discussion and this is what’s going to happen”. If enough people say, “we're not doing it.” They have no power! They don't have power! The power they have is the power the population gives to them in the form of A) unquestioned acquiescence, and B) acquiescence that doesn't want to acquiesce, but is too frightened not to acquiesce. Those two mentalities are the only thing that have ever allowed the few, to control the many and that’s still the equation. And if we want to… and it’s still that people say, there's nothing we can do. Well, of course there is. 8 billion people can't be controlled by a relative handful. It's impossible without the compliance of the 8 billion. The answer is staring us in the face, but people have A) got to get informed so they realize they're being lied to. Grow a pair so that they don't acquiesce through fear of not acquiescing, and join the Renegades, the true Renegades, and that number is getting bigger all the time, that are saying we're not, we're not cooperating with our own enslavement. And if people just did that, they would suddenly realize where the power not only is, but as being all along. I’ll give you a quick example. Margaret Thatcher, the British Prime Minister, was said to be the Iron Lady and impregnable. And then she came out with something called the poll Tax. Towards the end of her premiership. And it was towards the end of the premiership because of what happened. This impregnable Iron Lady, “I have the power.” And what the poll tax did, was, affect not just the working class, the poor. It affected the middle class, which is different to your middle class. Our middle class has a bit more money than your middle class, you know what I mean. It’s just a different description. But what it did, is it united two groups that would normally not be united. So it was like, “oh, this is affecting the working class, I'm middle class, this doesn’t affect me.” “Oh, this is the middle class, it don’t affect me, I'm working class.” Effected both. As a result, very, very large numbers of people, for the first time in my memory, said we're not paying. We refuse to pay it. And I was actually involved in the first court case, actually down the road from here where they tried to prosecute people that wouldn’t pay, and it went pair-shaped, it’s a long story, but it went absolutely pair-shaped, their attempt to prosecute here at the first hearing. Interviewer: I am not familiar with that expression “pair-shaped”. Icke: Pair-shaped – instead of being round… It went weeeew, it went wrong. Interviewer: It got messy. Icke: It went wrong for the government, they got nothing. That is what happened. But what I am saying is the refusal of these two groups normally divided but now united over this not only meant the poll tax was dropped but it so wounded the image, the ‘Iron Lady’ image of Margret Thatcher that she went out of office very quickly afterwards. And that just shows you were the real power is. The Iron Lady’s power came from the acquiescence of the population, and the fear of not acquiescing. Once that united group said ‘We are not cooperating’, it was over. And you know, when people say to me: “there is nothing we can do, what can we do?” And I just say: “Oh my God, get yourself a calculator.” Put in 8 billion, take away the people in full knowledge of what they are doing, take away the gophers in government that impose and administer what the few want to do, take away the police, take away law enforcement, take away the military, now take that away from the 8 billion. And the best part of the 8 billion is still left. So the answer is there. But it needs the choice to make the answer happen by just saying ‘I am not doing it’. ‘No’ is the most powerful in any language, if it’s coming from a point of view of ‘No, I am not being imposed upon and my freedom is not being deleted by me acquiescing to what you are telling me to do.’ Interviewer: Excellent, well, let’s put an exclamation point on that let’s wrap up this part of the interview.