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"Pygamber" WEF Juval Harari transgumanizm arkaly optimizirlenen adam Homo Deusy wagyz edýär. Professor Pol Kallen bu "optimallaşdyrma" islegleriniň gelip çykyşyny we olaryň näme üçin işlemeýändigini we näme üçin işläp bilmeýändigini düşündirýär.
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[Professor Kallen:] Asyrlaryň dowamynda adamlar hemişe has gowy ynsan döretmäge synanyşypdyrlar. Maşynda Hudaý ýok. Eger Hudaýy aýyrsaňyz, onda adamyň maksady, manysy bolmaz we ol bir görnüşli güýmenje maşynyna öwrülýär. Bu utopik pikir, bu gyzgyn arzuw diňe taşlanmaly.
[Kla.TV:] Şu gün Kla.TV transhumanizm barada professor doktor Pol Kallen bilen gürrüň edýär. Bu gyzykly temany biziň bilen ara alyp maslahatlaşmaga wagt sarp edeniňiz üçin köp sag boluň!
[Professor Kallen:] Hawa, çakylyk üçin köp sag boluň, jenap Matten, men örän şat.
[Kla.TV:] Siziň kimdigiňizi, haýsy wezipäni eýeleýändigiňizi we transgumanizm mowzugyna nädip gelendigiňizi gysgaça suratlandyryp bilersiňizmi?
[Professor Kallen:] Hawa, men aslym Irlandiýanyň Dublinden. Men ol ýerde lukmançylyk ugrundan bilim aldym, şonuň üçin lukman. Soňra Londonda molekulýar biologiýa we biologiýa ugrundan bilim aldym, soňra köp ýyllap ylmy iş bilen meşgullandym. Men Munsterde uly lukmançylyk laboratoriýasyny dolandyrýaryn we ol ýerdäki uniwersitetde işleýärin. Men adatdan daşary professor hökmünde leksiýa okaýaryn. Men transhumanizme geldim, sebäbi ýaşlygymdan bäri ylmy fantastika bilen hemişe gyzyklanýardym we özüm hem köp genetiki gözleg geçirdim, diňe oňa gyzyklanýardym. Ilki başda men munuň modadygyny, onuň çynlakaý däldigini - baý adamlaryň modasynyň bir görnüşidigini pikir etdim. Soňra men ýok, munuň asla moda däldigini, olar muňa örän çynlakaý çemeleşýändigini düşündim, soňra men munuň örän möhüm zatdygyny düşündim, sebäbi bu biziň adam bolmagyň näme aňladýandygy baradaky düşünjämiz bilen baglanyşykly we bu meni örän gyzyklandyrýar we men şeýle geldim.
[Kla.TV:] Şu gün biz transhumanizm barada gürrüň edýäris — bu möhüm tema Dawosdaky Bütindünýä Ykdysady Forumynyň duşuşygynda hem ara alnyp maslahatlaşyldy. Esasy çykyş edenleriň biri Ýuwal Harari boldy, men ony adamzadyň geljegi baradaky garaýşy babatda Bütindünýä Ykdysady Forumynyň pygamberi diýip atlandyrardym. Ol bu "halas ediş sandygyny" yglan edýär. Bu, esasan AI [= emeli intellekt] esaslanýan dördünji senagat ynkylaby şertlerinde, Harariniň pikiriçe, adam, esasan, onuň bilen aýak basyp bilmeýär. Şonuň üçin iru-giç, adam öz ukyplarynda optimallaşdyrylmasa, ýagny AI bilen aýak basyp bilmese, ol peýdasyz jandara öwrüler we Darwiniň taglymatyna görä düýbünden gereksiz ýaly ýitip gider. Bu ynsan optimizasiýasy, bu transhumanizm, diňe fiziki nukdaýnazardan iş ýüzünde nähili görünýär? Adamlarda näme manipulýasiýa edilmeli?
[Professor Kallen:] Hawa, transhumanizm, adamlaryň tehnologik enjamlar arkaly kämilleşdirilip bilinjekdigi baradaky pikirdir. Bu pikir, bedeniň käbir funksiýalaryny güýçlendirip boljakdygyndan ybarat. Emma, ahyrsoňy, pikir, adamyň aňyna gönüden-göni girip, hatda - we bu köp ylmy fantastika filmleriniň temasy - olary bir görnüşli maşyna, kompýutere, buluda, näme bolsa-da ýükläp bolýar, şeýdip olar maşynda ýaşamagyny dowam etdirip bilýärler. Birnäçe gün mundan ozal robotyň surata düşürilen filmi bardy, ol ýerde ol hut şeýledi - we bu pikir, meniň pikirimçe, düýbünden ýalňyş - ýöne bu, şeýle diýilse, biziň nädip baky ýaşap biljekdigimiz, nädip hudaýlar ýaly bolup biljekdigimiz baradaky köne pikir. Aslynda, munuň arkasynda duran pikir.
[Kla.TV:] Şonuň üçin jenap Harari döretmek isleýän zadyny Homo Deus ýa-da adam-hudaý diýip atlandyrýar. Eger bir adamy optimizirlemek, ýagny nähilidir bir ýol bilen, bilemok, çip ýa-da başga bir zat bilen programmalaşdyrmak, şeýlelik bilen olar, mysal üçin, Bethoven ýaly bolup bilseler, onda birden Bethoven her bir adamdan döredilip bilner - bu tehniki taýdan mümkinmi?
[Professor Kallen:] Ýok. Ilki bilen, Bethoven, Motsart, Eýnşteýn ýa-da Nýuton ýaly adamlar şeýle adatdan daşary we ahyrsoňy şeýle döredijilik uçgunyna eýe... Iň gyzyklysy, bu adamlary diňe belli bir nokada çenli düşünip bolýar... Eýnşteýn bilen hem şeýle boldy: fizikanyň taryhyna we onuň pikirine, nähili ösendigine seretseňiz, ony belli bir nokada çenli düşünip bilersiňiz. Soňra onuň düşünip bolmajak bir pikiri bar
[Kla.TV:] Karizma...
[Professor Kallen:] Hawa, ýok diýjek bolýaryn, sebäbi bu adamyň döredijiligi. Bu Mozart ýaly. Bilşim ýaly, Mozartyň partituralary diýen ýaly düzedilmändi. Soňra ondan: "Jenap Mozart, muny nähili edýärsiňiz?" diýip soradylar. Ol bolsa: "Hawa, men sazy eşidýärin we ony ýazyp alýaryn. Men ony diňe diňleýärin we soňra ýazyp alýaryn" diýdi.
[Kla.TV:] Intuisiýa… Ylham…
[Professor Kallen:] Hawa, şeýlelik bilen, biziň, mysal üçin, aň... Häzirki wagtda biziň adamlar baradaky modelimiz mehanistik model ýalydyr.
[Kla.TV:] Bu näme diýmek?
[Professor Kallen:] Ynsan bir görnüşli maşyn, fiziki-himiki maşyndyr. Ähli prosesler merkezi nerw ulgamynda, beýnide, kelle süňkünde bolup geçýär. Emma biz muny bilmeýäris. Biz aňyň nireden gelýändigini, ony nireden kabul edýändigimizi bilmeýäris. Men munuň dogrudygyny aýtmak islemeýärin, biz diňe bilmeýäris. Ýagny, biz adamyň ahyrsoňy nähili işleýändigini, hususan-da onuň döredijilik ukyplaryny asla bilmeýäris. Şeýle hem, bizi näme kesgitleýändigini bilmeýäris: duýgular, söýgi - bularyň hemmesi. Olaryň nähili işleýändigini bilmeýäris.
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[Professor Kallen:] Asyrlaryň dowamynda adamlar hemişe has gowy ynsan döretmäge synanyşypdyrlar. Maşynda Hudaý ýok. Eger Hudaýy aýyrsaňyz, onda adamyň maksady, manysy bolmaz we ol bir görnüşli güýmenje maşynyna öwrülýär. Bu utopik pikir, bu gyzgyn arzuw diňe taşlanmaly. [Kla.TV:] Şu gün Kla.TV transhumanizm barada professor doktor Pol Kallen bilen gürrüň edýär. Bu gyzykly temany biziň bilen ara alyp maslahatlaşmaga wagt sarp edeniňiz üçin köp sag boluň! [Professor Kallen:] Hawa, çakylyk üçin köp sag boluň, jenap Matten, men örän şat. [Kla.TV:] Siziň kimdigiňizi, haýsy wezipäni eýeleýändigiňizi we transgumanizm mowzugyna nädip gelendigiňizi gysgaça suratlandyryp bilersiňizmi? [Professor Kallen:] Hawa, men aslym Irlandiýanyň Dublinden. Men ol ýerde lukmançylyk ugrundan bilim aldym, şonuň üçin lukman. Soňra Londonda molekulýar biologiýa we biologiýa ugrundan bilim aldym, soňra köp ýyllap ylmy iş bilen meşgullandym. Men Munsterde uly lukmançylyk laboratoriýasyny dolandyrýaryn we ol ýerdäki uniwersitetde işleýärin. Men adatdan daşary professor hökmünde leksiýa okaýaryn. Men transhumanizme geldim, sebäbi ýaşlygymdan bäri ylmy fantastika bilen hemişe gyzyklanýardym we özüm hem köp genetiki gözleg geçirdim, diňe oňa gyzyklanýardym. Ilki başda men munuň modadygyny, onuň çynlakaý däldigini - baý adamlaryň modasynyň bir görnüşidigini pikir etdim. Soňra men ýok, munuň asla moda däldigini, olar muňa örän çynlakaý çemeleşýändigini düşündim, soňra men munuň örän möhüm zatdygyny düşündim, sebäbi bu biziň adam bolmagyň näme aňladýandygy baradaky düşünjämiz bilen baglanyşykly we bu meni örän gyzyklandyrýar we men şeýle geldim. [Kla.TV:] Şu gün biz transhumanizm barada gürrüň edýäris — bu möhüm tema Dawosdaky Bütindünýä Ykdysady Forumynyň duşuşygynda hem ara alnyp maslahatlaşyldy. Esasy çykyş edenleriň biri Ýuwal Harari boldy, men ony adamzadyň geljegi baradaky garaýşy babatda Bütindünýä Ykdysady Forumynyň pygamberi diýip atlandyrardym. Ol bu "halas ediş sandygyny" yglan edýär. Bu, esasan AI [= emeli intellekt] esaslanýan dördünji senagat ynkylaby şertlerinde, Harariniň pikiriçe, adam, esasan, onuň bilen aýak basyp bilmeýär. Şonuň üçin iru-giç, adam öz ukyplarynda optimallaşdyrylmasa, ýagny AI bilen aýak basyp bilmese, ol peýdasyz jandara öwrüler we Darwiniň taglymatyna görä düýbünden gereksiz ýaly ýitip gider. Bu ynsan optimizasiýasy, bu transhumanizm, diňe fiziki nukdaýnazardan iş ýüzünde nähili görünýär? Adamlarda näme manipulýasiýa edilmeli? [Professor Kallen:] Hawa, transhumanizm, adamlaryň tehnologik enjamlar arkaly kämilleşdirilip bilinjekdigi baradaky pikirdir. Bu pikir, bedeniň käbir funksiýalaryny güýçlendirip boljakdygyndan ybarat. Emma, ahyrsoňy, pikir, adamyň aňyna gönüden-göni girip, hatda - we bu köp ylmy fantastika filmleriniň temasy - olary bir görnüşli maşyna, kompýutere, buluda, näme bolsa-da ýükläp bolýar, şeýdip olar maşynda ýaşamagyny dowam etdirip bilýärler. Birnäçe gün mundan ozal robotyň surata düşürilen filmi bardy, ol ýerde ol hut şeýledi - we bu pikir, meniň pikirimçe, düýbünden ýalňyş - ýöne bu, şeýle diýilse, biziň nädip baky ýaşap biljekdigimiz, nädip hudaýlar ýaly bolup biljekdigimiz baradaky köne pikir. Aslynda, munuň arkasynda duran pikir. [Kla.TV:] Şonuň üçin jenap Harari döretmek isleýän zadyny Homo Deus ýa-da adam-hudaý diýip atlandyrýar. Eger bir adamy optimizirlemek, ýagny nähilidir bir ýol bilen, bilemok, çip ýa-da başga bir zat bilen programmalaşdyrmak, şeýlelik bilen olar, mysal üçin, Bethoven ýaly bolup bilseler, onda birden Bethoven her bir adamdan döredilip bilner - bu tehniki taýdan mümkinmi? [Professor Kallen:] Ýok. Ilki bilen, Bethoven, Motsart, Eýnşteýn ýa-da Nýuton ýaly adamlar şeýle adatdan daşary we ahyrsoňy şeýle döredijilik uçgunyna eýe... Iň gyzyklysy, bu adamlary diňe belli bir nokada çenli düşünip bolýar... Eýnşteýn bilen hem şeýle boldy: fizikanyň taryhyna we onuň pikirine, nähili ösendigine seretseňiz, ony belli bir nokada çenli düşünip bilersiňiz. Soňra onuň düşünip bolmajak bir pikiri bar [Kla.TV:] Karizma... [Professor Kallen:] Hawa, ýok diýjek bolýaryn, sebäbi bu adamyň döredijiligi. Bu Mozart ýaly. Bilşim ýaly, Mozartyň partituralary diýen ýaly düzedilmändi. Soňra ondan: "Jenap Mozart, muny nähili edýärsiňiz?" diýip soradylar. Ol bolsa: "Hawa, men sazy eşidýärin we ony ýazyp alýaryn. Men ony diňe diňleýärin we soňra ýazyp alýaryn" diýdi. [Kla.TV:] Intuisiýa… Ylham… [Professor Kallen:] Hawa, şeýlelik bilen, biziň, mysal üçin, aň... Häzirki wagtda biziň adamlar baradaky modelimiz mehanistik model ýalydyr. [Kla.TV:] Bu näme diýmek? [Professor Kallen:] Ynsan bir görnüşli maşyn, fiziki-himiki maşyndyr. Ähli prosesler merkezi nerw ulgamynda, beýnide, kelle süňkünde bolup geçýär. Emma biz muny bilmeýäris. Biz aňyň nireden gelýändigini, ony nireden kabul edýändigimizi bilmeýäris. Men munuň dogrudygyny aýtmak islemeýärin, biz diňe bilmeýäris. Ýagny, biz adamyň ahyrsoňy nähili işleýändigini, hususan-da onuň döredijilik ukyplaryny asla bilmeýäris. Şeýle hem, bizi näme kesgitleýändigini bilmeýäris: duýgular, söýgi - bularyň hemmesi. Olaryň nähili işleýändigini bilmeýäris. [Kla.TV üçin näme edip bilersiňiz?] Kla.TV hakykatdanam gudratdyr. Kla.TV-niň ähli işgärleri siziň üçin meýletin esasda işleýärler. Kla.TV haýyr-sahawat soramaýar. Kla.TV ähli wideolary, dokumental filmleri, interwýulary we ş.m. mugt göçürip almak üçin hödürleýär. Kla.TV üçin näme edip bilersiňiz? Bu gysga wideony heniz Kla.TV-e abuna ýazylmadyk kontaktlaryňyza iberiň we kanalymyzy maslahat beriň. Meýletinçilerimiz her täze abuna ýazylyjydan örän razydyrlar.
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